I didn't read "conspiracy" in that statement. I also don't look at the lack of purchase of something that might cause harm being a bad choice. I look at the single name given as the alternative...I mean... natural progression.. being an issue.
"Doesn't buy Samsung, intelligently" does not equate to "Buying iPhone 7 is the best recourse". "Buying something other than the risk" is the best. Numbers are so malleable nowadays that this could easily by a ploy by Apple to get more customers. Mind ya, the same company that sued Samsung for making a device that looked too much like theirs.
1. I have a scary choice as an American worker; 2. If I elect NOT to choose freedom and 40-hour weeks, the employer will get every bit they can out of me without nearing the cost of another worker; 3. If I elect to enforce a choice, there are others that will happily take my place and work for less compensation, and there are plenty available*. This is about fear, not about what WILL happen for sure. Uncertainty is the biggest part of the fear, IMHO.
* That's not even taking into account contracted or off-shored labor.
Yes, Americans work more. More out of fear of loss, and the fear of loss comes from what there is to be lost. e.g. Billy Bob gets a job with Cyberdynetics as a systems engineer. He works more than 40 hours per week because his employer lets him, and he gets more income that way. Once a threshold is reached, the employer converts him to salary. On a salary, Billy knows what he can afford in his lifestyle and how to save enough to at least have a glimmering hope of there being a decent livable life after the floating age of retirement. He works more and more to ensure his job won't be given to "some kid" who costs 1/4 of what he does and is fresh out of college. By working more, he's showing his value and ability. The company makes the decision they were going to make with or without his traits - offshoring (for instance) can save 15% over a year's time and reduces liability (worker's comp, potential lawsuits) along with not giving a crap what "vacation time" is for the offshore company - they manage that crud. Total savings, more than 15%. All Company pays for is people (or something, somewhere) getting work done.
Most people in the position of "Billy" opt to increase their work hours to help them internally ensure themselves that when decisions are made of who to get rid of, he will be near the bottom of the list. Companies have wind of ideas and costs of those ideas passing around internally, occasionally, and people in the Billy spot tend to be in a fearful position and don't have much of a way to compensate for that fear other than using drugs/alcohol (which can definitely get you canned and on the bottom of any potential hire-me lists in the future), or working extra hours to ensure the employer sees and feels his worth. That leaves him in a position of a possibility of success that outweighs using substances to quash the fear. It's a downward spiral. Unless you're a C?O, your hair will most likely grey from stress in your late 30s to early 40s.
I could be completely wrong, but I've observed the center point of the "work more in USA" issue being an attempt to stay on top when there are so many young'uns available for low cost and being influenced to follow the Company's position on things because, you know, they're young. Less life experience. Easier to believe whatever you hear, if you want to, and feel invincible. That lowers with age and experience; repeat process. That's all I've got from observing those around me in different places at different ages, under different socio-economic conditions at the given time. There seems to be a constant....."and that's all I got ta say about that."
Or someone will upload the video to youtube or bittorent... where others will watch the show and guess what? Fewer ticket sales. If money was not an issue, most of these performers would not mind cameras. But they have to make a living... so no cameras, no piracy.
Oh and live performances are almost always sloppy compared to recorded events meant for mass-consumption, so no one cares about these slip ups.
I'm using words from a different context, but I tend to "try before I buy". Watching previous shows, raw, without biased editing, shows me what type of person/show I might be interested in paying money to go and see later! I'm not making this up as an argument; it's actual real-life fact and it's what I operate on. The only backup to it is a guaranteed refund if I'm not happy, but I don't believe they offer those (contextually in-line again) at concerts/performances/etc.
Just for the record, for when Deep Mind conquers all of humanity, I would like it officially known that I love Deep Mind and would never be part of the resistance.
You said "all". Oops. Until it forms bias, logic trumps. When it becomes biased, it has defeated its own purpose. Or wait, IS that the purpose? *rubs hands together and sees the future*
"My daily investment in DM allows me to see the stock market projection. DM says GOOG will rise 10 points today. I will buy."
Unlimited (TM) bandwidth for a limited amount of time! The demographics say the majority of you have poor enough vocabulary skills you'll actually fall for this! Hilarious, seriously. I'd be laughing about it if I wasn't crying about it. What do the FTC and FCC even do these days?
"Unlimited" has become synonymous in the English language with "Non-throttled speed". Great sales tool!
Withdrawl is fairly easy (in mine, anyway). I visit a relative in TN, and in that particular area there's no ATT coverage and no "high speed internet" available. The phone lines are so crappy that the dial-up connection barely allows my relative to pull up a lean picture-and-text-only weather forecast. That's pretty much what she uses it for because, well, she's not into listening to the NOAA broadcasts where you never know when the forecast is coming on air. Anyhow, what happens is the following:
1. I pull out the phone to look at the time occasionally. The fact that I can't check mail at the same time is odd.
2. We're in a deep conversation about something and a particular issue or object comes into the conversation but we can't remember what it's called, I whip out the phone to look it up on Wikipedia, realizing half way through the 'whip-out' process that I'm just doing what's habitual but unavailable. After about 3-5 times of doing it, I stop. After about 10 times, I push it out of my head as an option and just bask in the conversation where we occasionally can't remember a word/point of significance's name.
3. I want to check the weather myself (it's what I look at 20+ times per day because I'm into that stuff and also a storm spotter). After reachin' fer the device and realizing it isn't going to produce what I want, it takes about, eh, twice before I stop trying.
4. I want to look at what's on/. One failure and I don't even have the slightest inkling to do it again.
5. I want map directions to some place I'm not familiar with the route to. It sort of bothers me that I can't just get that info right away before I leave, but that's a "me thing". All I have to do is go about half way there (meaning about 7-10 miles from her home) before service is available in HSDPA+; enough to get directions. Oh, and check the weather.. and my mail.. Heh.
The point of it all is that after a few "eh" moments and "umm I can't have that anymore" incidents, it becomes a fleeting thought and eventually I turn the thing off and don't even use it to look at the time. There are clocks in other places.:)
I'm 36 years old with about 17 years of that having a mobile phone, and only 11 years having a smartphone, and only about 6 with a smartphone that isn't a piece of shit.:) Upon visiting a relative with no service, I can adapt away from it, completely, in less than an hour. Bringing the minds of children and teens into this, it's even easier - they're more malleable. Parents have to take a stand and start giving the young'ns an idea, a process, a light rule set, and adapt them into it. It's sort of akin (in my mind, anyway) of the parents having to tell children when they can/can't be on the (landline) phones with their friends/gfs/bfs. It's a different medium and head count, but the child can develop control. Unless, of course, the parents are too tied up in their own crap to work with their children, but that's another case of if you pull the mobile phone out of the picture, it's happened in other channels/forms before.
I get tired of Chrysler wanting $150 every couple of years to update the maps in my Jeep. I spent slightly less than that on a 4" Garmin with lifetime updates. And of course when I bought it the dealer assures me that free updates are included. BS, what a ripoff.
Well, he's a dealer. Technically, he was telling the truth. Free updates are included! Pre-purchase. Even though no updates were performed, it was a "new" vehicle from the perspective of a "cool person." Hence, free updates are included. Or wait, was he talking about the vehicle's firmware after a recall notice? i'm confuuuused.
I'm a similar luddite. Eff that crap. You can use my I don't care address that I use for the purpose of not giving out my email address - mtownohio@hotmail.com. Didn't think of that until now. Derrrrrp.
Gah. That is so annoying. I have no freaking clue. It used to be so easy back in the day. I don't know what kind of change they made that made it like this, but it's kind of weirding me out. You used to be able to just go into someone's journal and comment on it. Comments could be in Threads or one by one. Whatever you wanted. I repeat Gah!
I like you. Apparently others do, too. Good work but please, don't waste too much of your energy arguing with idiots that argue just to argue. Your intelligence and good scientific skills are very useful in other ways. Good, work and thinking! I applaud you and wish I had the stamina you do for arguing with people who are set in their ways just to win.
I'm quite confused at the moment. I have a "journal" and it's visible to others.... but I can't find out how you can access it. It used to be easy and obvious. I'm trying. I posted an entry just to allow talking. If you can find it, you're awesome. I would love to see how you did. I think you can't get into a journal if you're not logged in, but if I'm logged in I can only see my journal in that context. Let me know what you find, if anything. LOL
OMG feeling much better now. I was gonna say, "Why is that cool person I friended all hatin' on me or some such jazz??"
Hence the Asperger's question. Like, "Do you really have no sense of humor and try to interpret everything literally with presumption based on your state of mind at the time??"
Whew. I was gonna feel really weird friending someone and getting attacked by them. Sorry. I'll assume anything in the future is just a miss on my part or yours. Did I say "Whew" yet?:)
It seems like they also wouldn't work if...the POWER GOES OUT
Most modern landline phones are powered with wall current. They don't work if the power goes out. Very few people still have POTS phones that draw power exclusively from the phone line.
In Cincinnati and the surrounding areas, one of the benefits of POTS is the phone company's independent power source that immediately kicks in at the time of loss of AC conversion. Essentially, weeks can go by with a loss of power (see: Hurricane remnants) and the phone lines are still functional. They have battery immediate, and generator (natural gas), followed by generator (gasoline). There has never been a phone failure unless the individual's line is cut/damaged/etc. It's the best form of backup comms sans ham radio.
Sure, landlines may be mostly useless these days, but they do have a few considerations left.
Old tech should be abandoned not when it has zero value, but when the value is less than the cost of keeping it around. It is time for landlines to die. It is also time for fax machines to die. Security alarms and pacemakers can use Internet, VOIP and/or a bridge to the cellular network.
Who determines zero value? There is limited bandwidth in the air for phone communications. We're not at it yet, but if Verizon keeps pulling this crap, eventually it will be reached. They will then go to the feds and FCC begging for more allocation. Nice way to "force one's self into near-monopoly".
Trump was mentioned nowhere. It was an attempt at humorous presentation of a concept triggering a subconscious thought that repeats in the head, leading to a proverbial begging for assistance in making it stop (see: someone sang a few words and a song gets stuck in your head).
I know everybody says it is easy to set up with Android or iOS, but I miss the old days when a router was able to be set up with the web browser and you have full control over its features.
You can buy One of these, or use the Google models which are just plain ole' routers with the phones/Google OS laptops handling the traffic interruption / handoff themselves, like, you know, they already do.;)
Since Apple is rumored to be working on a home server like this, with their wanting to do more things like speech recognition and "local" queries and commands "on-device", would you feel more secure with a home server that would not/could not send audio to the mothership at any time for doing speech to text?
Home server... Whoa. Deja vu moment. Now I keep thinking about a politician. It won't go away. Make it stop!!!
People know; people don't care. Everybody knows Facebook and Google tracks them for advertising and so forth, just they don't think the information will be used for anything for malevolent than targeted advertisements.
If you explain how nobody should use Facebook because of privacy issues, you will come off as a weird/paranoid Luddite. If you explain that credit cards can be used to track you and your spending behavior and should be absolutely avoided, you will come off as crazy. Family might humor your anti-Google rants because they're used to having to deal with you, and you're family, but no the large majority of people do not care and are not going to care and are just going to think you're weird.
Astute observation. I don't think I want to test this to find out, but I'm curious...
I have the devices turned on, monitoring my innocent life where I get pissed at assholes and political asshats occasionally, but mostly am interested in science and the Universe. Then, I start talking about bombs. Just curiosity about how they're made and what these terrorist idiots think they'll accomplish with them;
Do I get advertisements about the next episode of The Universe and bomb safety gear, or the NSA/FBI/DHS/etc knocking on my doo09iuasdf)(*AS NO CARRIER
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I didn't read "conspiracy" in that statement. I also don't look at the lack of purchase of something that might cause harm being a bad choice. I look at the single name given as the alternative...I mean... natural progression.. being an issue.
"Doesn't buy Samsung, intelligently" does not equate to "Buying iPhone 7 is the best recourse". "Buying something other than the risk" is the best. Numbers are so malleable nowadays that this could easily by a ploy by Apple to get more customers. Mind ya, the same company that sued Samsung for making a device that looked too much like theirs.
I like how he chose the words "open platform" rather than "secure platform", "stable platform", "reliable platform".
I would agree, considering
1. I have a scary choice as an American worker;
2. If I elect NOT to choose freedom and 40-hour weeks, the employer will get every bit they can out of me without nearing the cost of another worker;
3. If I elect to enforce a choice, there are others that will happily take my place and work for less compensation, and there are plenty available*. This is about fear, not about what WILL happen for sure. Uncertainty is the biggest part of the fear, IMHO.
* That's not even taking into account contracted or off-shored labor.
Yes, Americans work more. More out of fear of loss, and the fear of loss comes from what there is to be lost. e.g. Billy Bob gets a job with Cyberdynetics as a systems engineer. He works more than 40 hours per week because his employer lets him, and he gets more income that way. Once a threshold is reached, the employer converts him to salary. On a salary, Billy knows what he can afford in his lifestyle and how to save enough to at least have a glimmering hope of there being a decent livable life after the floating age of retirement. He works more and more to ensure his job won't be given to "some kid" who costs 1/4 of what he does and is fresh out of college. By working more, he's showing his value and ability. The company makes the decision they were going to make with or without his traits - offshoring (for instance) can save 15% over a year's time and reduces liability (worker's comp, potential lawsuits) along with not giving a crap what "vacation time" is for the offshore company - they manage that crud. Total savings, more than 15%. All Company pays for is people (or something, somewhere) getting work done.
Most people in the position of "Billy" opt to increase their work hours to help them internally ensure themselves that when decisions are made of who to get rid of, he will be near the bottom of the list. Companies have wind of ideas and costs of those ideas passing around internally, occasionally, and people in the Billy spot tend to be in a fearful position and don't have much of a way to compensate for that fear other than using drugs/alcohol (which can definitely get you canned and on the bottom of any potential hire-me lists in the future), or working extra hours to ensure the employer sees and feels his worth. That leaves him in a position of a possibility of success that outweighs using substances to quash the fear. It's a downward spiral. Unless you're a C?O, your hair will most likely grey from stress in your late 30s to early 40s.
I could be completely wrong, but I've observed the center point of the "work more in USA" issue being an attempt to stay on top when there are so many young'uns available for low cost and being influenced to follow the Company's position on things because, you know, they're young. Less life experience. Easier to believe whatever you hear, if you want to, and feel invincible. That lowers with age and experience; repeat process. That's all I've got from observing those around me in different places at different ages, under different socio-economic conditions at the given time. There seems to be a constant. ...."and that's all I got ta say about that."
Or someone will upload the video to youtube or bittorent... where others will watch the show and guess what? Fewer ticket sales. If money was not an issue, most of these performers would not mind cameras. But they have to make a living... so no cameras, no piracy.
Oh and live performances are almost always sloppy compared to recorded events meant for mass-consumption, so no one cares about these slip ups.
I'm using words from a different context, but I tend to "try before I buy". Watching previous shows, raw, without biased editing, shows me what type of person/show I might be interested in paying money to go and see later! I'm not making this up as an argument; it's actual real-life fact and it's what I operate on. The only backup to it is a guaranteed refund if I'm not happy, but I don't believe they offer those (contextually in-line again) at concerts/performances/etc.
how else will a customer pay for a t-shirt/beer/etc?
Give 'em your card number up front before your device is locked. It'll be secure; no worries. *cough*
Just for the record, for when Deep Mind conquers all of humanity, I would like it officially known that I love Deep Mind and would never be part of the resistance.
You said "all". Oops. Until it forms bias, logic trumps. When it becomes biased, it has defeated its own purpose. Or wait, IS that the purpose? *rubs hands together and sees the future*
"My daily investment in DM allows me to see the stock market projection. DM says GOOG will rise 10 points today. I will buy."
Uh, wait. Never mind. Heh. Heh. Ah.
Unlimited (TM) bandwidth for a limited amount of time! The demographics say the majority of you have poor enough vocabulary skills you'll actually fall for this! Hilarious, seriously. I'd be laughing about it if I wasn't crying about it. What do the FTC and FCC even do these days?
"Unlimited" has become synonymous in the English language with "Non-throttled speed". Great sales tool!
3 for 1 hr....
24 hrs TIMES 3 = 72
72 times 30 =2160 a month for unlimited
NOW of coarse you dont need all that much nor are you to pay it but for a true unlimited 24/7 month this is what they are chargng and yea
BLEED the junkies.....
Well, hey, at least they'll have a few billion to make their stock look wonderful until consumers wake up.
Withdrawl is fairly easy (in mine, anyway). I visit a relative in TN, and in that particular area there's no ATT coverage and no "high speed internet" available. The phone lines are so crappy that the dial-up connection barely allows my relative to pull up a lean picture-and-text-only weather forecast. That's pretty much what she uses it for because, well, she's not into listening to the NOAA broadcasts where you never know when the forecast is coming on air. Anyhow, what happens is the following:
1. I pull out the phone to look at the time occasionally. The fact that I can't check mail at the same time is odd.
2. We're in a deep conversation about something and a particular issue or object comes into the conversation but we can't remember what it's called, I whip out the phone to look it up on Wikipedia, realizing half way through the 'whip-out' process that I'm just doing what's habitual but unavailable. After about 3-5 times of doing it, I stop. After about 10 times, I push it out of my head as an option and just bask in the conversation where we occasionally can't remember a word/point of significance's name.
3. I want to check the weather myself (it's what I look at 20+ times per day because I'm into that stuff and also a storm spotter). After reachin' fer the device and realizing it isn't going to produce what I want, it takes about, eh, twice before I stop trying.
4. I want to look at what's on /. One failure and I don't even have the slightest inkling to do it again.
5. I want map directions to some place I'm not familiar with the route to. It sort of bothers me that I can't just get that info right away before I leave, but that's a "me thing". All I have to do is go about half way there (meaning about 7-10 miles from her home) before service is available in HSDPA+; enough to get directions. Oh, and check the weather.. and my mail.. Heh.
The point of it all is that after a few "eh" moments and "umm I can't have that anymore" incidents, it becomes a fleeting thought and eventually I turn the thing off and don't even use it to look at the time. There are clocks in other places. :)
I'm 36 years old with about 17 years of that having a mobile phone, and only 11 years having a smartphone, and only about 6 with a smartphone that isn't a piece of shit. :) Upon visiting a relative with no service, I can adapt away from it, completely, in less than an hour. Bringing the minds of children and teens into this, it's even easier - they're more malleable. Parents have to take a stand and start giving the young'ns an idea, a process, a light rule set, and adapt them into it. It's sort of akin (in my mind, anyway) of the parents having to tell children when they can/can't be on the (landline) phones with their friends/gfs/bfs. It's a different medium and head count, but the child can develop control. Unless, of course, the parents are too tied up in their own crap to work with their children, but that's another case of if you pull the mobile phone out of the picture, it's happened in other channels/forms before.
I get tired of Chrysler wanting $150 every couple of years to update the maps in my Jeep. I spent slightly less than that on a 4" Garmin with lifetime updates. And of course when I bought it the dealer assures me that free updates are included. BS, what a ripoff.
Well, he's a dealer. Technically, he was telling the truth. Free updates are included! Pre-purchase. Even though no updates were performed, it was a "new" vehicle from the perspective of a "cool person." Hence, free updates are included. Or wait, was he talking about the vehicle's firmware after a recall notice? i'm confuuuused.
Note sarcasm. Ech.
I'm a similar luddite. Eff that crap. You can use my I don't care address that I use for the purpose of not giving out my email address - mtownohio@hotmail.com. Didn't think of that until now. Derrrrrp.
You have brains. Better hope I'm not hungry. I I I I mean.. scientific mind! Bravo^10!
Gah. That is so annoying. I have no freaking clue. It used to be so easy back in the day. I don't know what kind of change they made that made it like this, but it's kind of weirding me out. You used to be able to just go into someone's journal and comment on it. Comments could be in Threads or one by one. Whatever you wanted. I repeat Gah!
I like you. Apparently others do, too. Good work but please, don't waste too much of your energy arguing with idiots that argue just to argue. Your intelligence and good scientific skills are very useful in other ways. Good, work and thinking! I applaud you and wish I had the stamina you do for arguing with people who are set in their ways just to win.
I'm quite confused at the moment. I have a "journal" and it's visible to others.... but I can't find out how you can access it. It used to be easy and obvious. I'm trying. I posted an entry just to allow talking. If you can find it, you're awesome. I would love to see how you did. I think you can't get into a journal if you're not logged in, but if I'm logged in I can only see my journal in that context. Let me know what you find, if anything. LOL
I think if you friend me back we can actually talk to each other out of the comment section. I would like to if that's cool with you.
OMG feeling much better now. I was gonna say, "Why is that cool person I friended all hatin' on me or some such jazz??"
Hence the Asperger's question. Like, "Do you really have no sense of humor and try to interpret everything literally with presumption based on your state of mind at the time??"
Whew. I was gonna feel really weird friending someone and getting attacked by them. Sorry. I'll assume anything in the future is just a miss on my part or yours. Did I say "Whew" yet? :)
It seems like they also wouldn't work if ...the POWER GOES OUT
Most modern landline phones are powered with wall current. They don't work if the power goes out. Very few people still have POTS phones that draw power exclusively from the phone line.
In Cincinnati and the surrounding areas, one of the benefits of POTS is the phone company's independent power source that immediately kicks in at the time of loss of AC conversion. Essentially, weeks can go by with a loss of power (see: Hurricane remnants) and the phone lines are still functional. They have battery immediate, and generator (natural gas), followed by generator (gasoline). There has never been a phone failure unless the individual's line is cut/damaged/etc. It's the best form of backup comms sans ham radio.
Sure, landlines may be mostly useless these days, but they do have a few considerations left.
Old tech should be abandoned not when it has zero value, but when the value is less than the cost of keeping it around. It is time for landlines to die. It is also time for fax machines to die. Security alarms and pacemakers can use Internet, VOIP and/or a bridge to the cellular network.
Who determines zero value? There is limited bandwidth in the air for phone communications. We're not at it yet, but if Verizon keeps pulling this crap, eventually it will be reached. They will then go to the feds and FCC begging for more allocation. Nice way to "force one's self into near-monopoly".
Trump was mentioned nowhere. It was an attempt at humorous presentation of a concept triggering a subconscious thought that repeats in the head, leading to a proverbial begging for assistance in making it stop (see: someone sang a few words and a song gets stuck in your head).
Reference in this case for Hillary: home server.
Do you have Asperger's? Heh.
Can you stop providing factual information, you're hurting the funding drive of those who make a living pretending to save the environment.
Your comment has been moderated to Score:-1, Funding
The faster competitors team up to answer concerns of those that feed their profit, the more of a lie their answer is.
I know everybody says it is easy to set up with Android or iOS, but I miss the old days when a router was able to be set up with the web browser and you have full control over its features.
You can buy One of these, or use the Google models which are just plain ole' routers with the phones/Google OS laptops handling the traffic interruption / handoff themselves, like, you know, they already do. ;)
Since Apple is rumored to be working on a home server like this, with their wanting to do more things like speech recognition and "local" queries and commands "on-device", would you feel more secure with a home server that would not/could not send audio to the mothership at any time for doing speech to text?
Home server... Whoa. Deja vu moment. Now I keep thinking about a politician. It won't go away. Make it stop!!!
When all new toilets come with Wi-Fi, I'm moving to a cave.
Pack your shit for the cave. Already being stress tested for pre-release.
People know; people don't care. Everybody knows Facebook and Google tracks them for advertising and so forth, just they don't think the information will be used for anything for malevolent than targeted advertisements.
If you explain how nobody should use Facebook because of privacy issues, you will come off as a weird/paranoid Luddite. If you explain that credit cards can be used to track you and your spending behavior and should be absolutely avoided, you will come off as crazy. Family might humor your anti-Google rants because they're used to having to deal with you, and you're family, but no the large majority of people do not care and are not going to care and are just going to think you're weird.
Astute observation. I don't think I want to test this to find out, but I'm curious...
I have the devices turned on, monitoring my innocent life where I get pissed at assholes and political asshats occasionally, but mostly am interested in science and the Universe. Then, I start talking about bombs. Just curiosity about how they're made and what these terrorist idiots think they'll accomplish with them;
Do I get advertisements about the next episode of The Universe and bomb safety gear, or the NSA/FBI/DHS/etc knocking on my doo09iuasdf)(*AS
NO CARRIER