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1 In 2 Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Owners To Switch To iPhone 7, Says Analyst (softpedia.com)

Branding Brand recently conducted a post-recall study asking Samsung Galaxy Note 7 users which smartphones they would consider upgrading to. While 40 percent of them said they are ready to jump ship to a different manufacturer, 30 percent of respondents said they are likely going to be switching to the iPhone. However, according to one analyst, that number could be even higher. Softpedia reports: KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors that approximately 50 percent of those who ordered a Note 7 are now very likely to go for an iPhone 7, as customer trust is collapsing in the Samsung ecosystem and all these buyers are no longer planning to stick with phones manufactured by the South Korean firm. Between 5 to 7 million Note 7 orders are likely to transfer to Apple, the analyst says, and the iPhone 7 Plus is expected to be the main model benefitting from this transition. Other Android phone manufacturers, including Huawei, are also likely to benefit from Samsung's fiasco, and Google itself could also record an increase in Pixel sales following the Note 7 demise. But Apple will certainly take the lion's share here, mostly thanks to the iPhone 7 Plus currently being positioned as a direct rival to the Note 7.

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  1. pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the pixel is the obvious replacement here. swapping ecosystems because of a bad phone??? doesn't make sense

    1. Re:pixel by Imazalil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think a lot of people assume it's a Samsung ecosystem they're switching out of, not Android.

      I also think a lot of people, myself included, assume analysts are full of hot air.

    2. Re:pixel by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      swapping ecosystems because of a bad phone???

      I'm sure most of them haven't got any idea what an "ecosystem" is in terms of phones.

      All they want is a shiny new phone.

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    3. Re:pixel by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      PS: Where can I buy a 'pixel'?

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    4. Re:pixel by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      For many people (I guess more than 1 out of 2) the ecosystem doesn't matter. What they have on their phone is a bunch of free apps. Also I expect many of these Note users were Previous Apple users who was looking for something new.

      However for most of the people who really don't care there isn't that much difference.

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    5. Re:pixel by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      the "obvious replacement" that isn't actually available to buy. They need a phone *now* because the one they have is either in an asbestos box on the slow boat back to Korea, or in danger of immolating their pants / car / house / etc.

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    6. Re:pixel by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think a lot of people assume it's a Samsung ecosystem they're switching out of, not Android.

      That wouldn't surprise me. My mother doesn't really know or care to understand what Android is, but when she needs a new phone she's pretty insistent on getting another Motorola phone, so it's just a matter of finding one that they make that suits her needs. I recall seeing this a lot back in the early days of PC's where people would insist they needed another Compaq or $brand without really understanding that it didn't matter as the operating system was still the same and they could transfer their files and programs over. Even after explaining this to some people they're just overly hesitant to make a switch, even if they could be getting something more suited to their needs.

      I also think a lot of people, myself included, assume analysts are full of hot air.

      That goes without saying. Anyone who really understood how the market would behave wouldn't be blabbing about it for free on the internet. Instead they'd be keeping their mouth shut and buying and selling stocks and getting progressively more wealthy.

    7. Re:pixel by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      That goes without saying. Anyone who really understood how the market would behave wouldn't be blabbing about it for free on the internet. Instead they'd be keeping their mouth shut and buying and selling stocks and getting progressively more wealthy.

      I don't think it's much of a secret that when there are two main competitors in a market and one of them has a spectacular fail, the competition will primarily gain from it.

    8. Re:pixel by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they have this figured out better than they did previously, so that people can actually see one in a store.

      The average consumer still feels they have to go into a store and touch and feel a phone and won't just buy one online based on specs.

    9. Re:pixel by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the average consumer feels it's Coke vs Pepsi. A few people violently care, but most people don't really care at all.

    10. Re:pixel by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      My question was primarily this - what are the 70% of Note users who are not switching to the iPhone 7 doing? People buy a Note because they want a phablet. They aren't going to downgrade to a smaller phone, most likely.

      I know it will be pooh-poohed on Slashdot, but losing 30% of the users of your flagship product is NOT trivial.

    11. Re:pixel by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Ecosystem doesn't really seem to be that big of a deal anymore. With a few exceptions (admittedly some of them are deal-breakers), you can find the same apps on Android and iOS and you can do the same kind of stuff on both platforms.

      I prefer Android so I can tweak it just right, but ease of sharing photos with my family (who all use iOS) is enough of a boon for me to use iPhone. If I switch I'll probably encourage everyone to use a cross-platform photo sharing service, but you know how that goes... I'll be on the hook for fixing everything then.

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    12. Re:pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except Apple is hardly competition for someone who wants an Android.

    13. Re:pixel by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      The average consumer still feels they have to go into a store and touch and feel a phone and won't just buy one online based on specs.

      And you say that like it's a bad thing? Does anyone still remember how the Pentium 4 had such a fast GHZ but was in fact, slower than the Pentium 3, especially the server versions of that CPU?

      Going by specs would be completely stupid.

    14. Re: pixel by saloomy · · Score: 2

      No. If you are an analyst, you make your trades, and then explain your thinking, hoping the market follows you. If you made a purchase, and then others continue to buy, the price moves up and your purchase is now worth more. If you sold, your stocks, then others sell, you can re-enter the position after it moves down.

    15. Re:pixel by ranton · · Score: 1

      My question was primarily this - what are the 70% of Note users who are not switching to the iPhone 7 doing? People buy a Note because they want a phablet. They aren't going to downgrade to a smaller phone, most likely.

      That is exactly the problem my wife had with replacing her Note 7. There simply are no competing products for the Note. She either had to downgrade to a 5.5" screen with no stylus, or go back to a Note 4/5. It is quite painful to pay $700+ for a phone released a year ago, so she went with a $250 refurbished Note 4.

      In the end this fiasco cost us about $50 and a lot of hassle, since we traded in her old Note 4 for only $200.

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    16. Re:pixel by Loki_1929 · · Score: 1

      Sticking with my Note 4 until something better comes along. Pixel XL certainly isn't it. I'm hoping Samsung throws every good engineer they have into pushing the Note 8 out in Q1.

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    17. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      the pixel is the obvious replacement here. swapping ecosystems because of a bad phone??? doesn't make sense

      Until Google gets tired of it and cancels the Project.

      Oh, and underneath it all, it's still Android.

    18. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of people assume it's a Samsung ecosystem they're switching out of, not Android.

      I also think a lot of people, myself included, assume analysts are full of hot air.

      Actually, multiple sources have come to the same conclusion. Other than the exact percentages, they all agree that there is a significant movement away from Samsung, and to specifically the iPhone.

    19. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except Apple is hardly competition for someone who wants an Android.

      But what you don't see, is that, outside of Slashdot and some other "Geek" sites, not very many people even know what an "Android" is, other than Commander Data.

      But they know Samsung and they know Apple/iPhone. And they know one of them just screwed up royally, and their name is Samsung.

      So in their minds, that leaves "the other guys" (Apple).

    20. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      All they want is a shiny new phone.

      ...that won't burn their car down while it sits in the driveway...

    21. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I think the average consumer feels it's Coke vs Pepsi. A few people violently care, but most people don't really care at all.

      Or only "care" because some relative/friend has told them to "care".

    22. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      My question was primarily this - what are the 70% of Note users who are not switching to the iPhone 7 doing? People buy a Note because they want a phablet. They aren't going to downgrade to a smaller phone, most likely.

      I know it will be pooh-poohed on Slashdot, but losing 30% of the users of your flagship product is NOT trivial.

      Well, considering that Samsung has now committed genocide on an entire GENERATION of its top-of-the-line phones (and the only phones to somewhat-seriously compete with the iPhone), I think that is one of the biggest factors behind the "switchers" being in such high-numbers.

    23. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Sticking with my Note 4 until something better comes along. Pixel XL certainly isn't it. I'm hoping Samsung throws every good engineer they have into pushing the Note 8 out in Q1.

      Oh, Samsung has proven many times that they have absolutely NO problem with pushing products out before they are really ready...

    24. Re:pixel by Geeky · · Score: 1

      I still prefer to see a phone in the flesh before I buy. A couple of mm here and there makes a big different to how it feels in the hand (no laughing at the back..), and I want to see how well made it feels.

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    25. Re:pixel by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of people assume it's a Samsung ecosystem they're switching out of, not Android.

      I'm pretty sure that isn't true. That would be like saying that drivers that buy cars don't know they whether they are getting a sedan, SUV or truck. Most people test drive it before they dish out the money. In my surroundings I can only point at 1 or 2 mobile device users that don't know and don't care and they are all above 60 years old.

      Keep in mind that I still thing this analyst's numbers are way off.

    26. Re:pixel by phorm · · Score: 1

      Except that in the case of platforms, you may have a lot of money tied into either the "App Store" or "Google Play" for apps/music/video/etc

    27. Re: pixel by 2ms · · Score: 1

      What exactly about the Google ecosystem do you feel is locking people in? What do people lose when they switch from Google to iPhone? Just curious what you are referring to exactly. Conversely, what would prevent someone from being able to just switch back to Google if they tried owning an iPhone and found they did not like it more?

    28. Re:pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the people who know what Commander Data is know exactly what an "Android" phone is.

      My mom thinks her phone is "The Google" and would have no idea how Samsung relates to it.

    29. Re:pixel by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Between the Note and the "waterproof" fiasco, I'm guessing there is some chair-throwing going on at Samsung HQ

    30. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the people who know what Commander Data is know exactly what an "Android" phone is.

      My mom thinks her phone is "The Google" and would have no idea how Samsung relates to it.

      It was just a handy reference.

    31. Re:pixel by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Between the Note and the "waterproof" fiasco, I'm guessing there is some chair-throwing going on at Samsung HQ

      If not, there oughta be!

    32. Re: pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh the horror! Buying a one year old phone! OMG say it isnt't so!!!

      Would you listen to yourself? Talk about first world problems.

    33. Re:pixel by smartr · · Score: 1

      That goes without saying. Anyone who really understood how the market would behave wouldn't be blabbing about it for free on the internet. Instead they'd be keeping their mouth shut and buying and selling stocks and getting progressively more wealthy.

      It's not a secret and the stock prices have already moved. This is the just writing on the wall. When your biggest, most direct competitor fails in such an epic way as to have a full and complete recall after the recall and additionally have its product banned from airports you are in a damn good position. I mean, no the iPhone 7 isn't meant to be used underwater. The Galaxy Note 7 isn't allowed on airplanes, and if you fly the airlines are notifying ALL OF THEIR PASSENGERS TO NOT USE A SAMSUNG PRODUCT, which has escalated to, YOU WILL BE FINED IF YOU BRING A SAMSUNG PRODUCT TO THE AIRPORT. Not all attention is good attention. The ocean doesn't scream at you, DON"T USE THE APPLE IPHONE IN THE OCEAN!

    34. Re: pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.. it's year 2016 and people are even more dumber, not knowing what android or even the word OS means. Pretty sad to be uneducated.

    35. Re:pixel by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there.

    36. Re:pixel by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

      Except that in the case of platforms, you may have a lot of money tied into either the "App Store" or "Google Play" for apps/music/video/etc

      In addition, there's the pain of migrating calendars and the like. There are export options and tools to assist in that, but it could still get painful I fear. For music, Spotify customers would be fine but I am not sure about Play or iTunes, even where it is just a matter of playlists.

      It's hard to tell of course how many people this matters for. In effect the article is telling us fewer than 50% of Note 7 owners are both clueful and worry about migration problems.

    37. Re:pixel by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      All they want is a shiny new phone.

      With a far from new interface? I came across an old iPod Touch in a drawer the other day, The screen looks pretty much the same as on a new iPhone.

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    38. Re: pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their complaint wasn't buying a one year old phone (since they ended up getting an even older phone). The complaint was the cost was still considerably high for an old phone which is my peeve as well.

      As a Note 3 user upgrading to the 7, I checked the S7 Edge several times since it's quite similar spec wise. In the end, for about $60 more, the Note 7 was a brand new phone (likely to supported longer), included the stylus, had more memory, a larger screen, and included a better set of software. The additional $60 was pretty obvious at this point, even if the S7 edge was initially attractive, it's relative price tag was not (Samsung knew/knows this).

      Now with the Note 7 dead, I forsee no discounting on the S7 Edge in sight. Samsung did offer a $100 discount to ease this and bring the price of an S7 Edge down to ~$690 but that's still hefty for a phone that'll be replaced in a few months by the S8 at a similar price. After that, you can forget useful non-critical software updates from the carrier.

    39. Re:pixel by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      the pixel is the obvious replacement here.

      How do you figure? The Pixel is a joke. The "obvious" replacement for the Note7 is the Note5. Here's a list of other phones that have more to offer than the pixel XL:

      Nexus 6P: dual front facing speakers, $450

      Moto Z: front facing speaker, moto mods, microSD, $700

      ZTE Axon 7: dual front facing speakers, microSD, $400

  2. +5 Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Glad to see people coming to their senses and finally choosing a superior platform.

    1. Re:+5 Insightful by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      *sigh* Could people at least read the effin' summary, if they don't bother with the article. It says right there, they're moving to iPhones.

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    2. Re:+5 Insightful by wardrich86 · · Score: 0

      Trollllin'

  3. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I make up 87% of the stats I quote.

    1. Re:In other news... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      ... and am totally incapable of adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing. Other than that, I'm a great mathematician

    2. Re:In other news... by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      ... and am totally incapable of adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing. Other than that, I'm a great mathemagician

      FTFY :P

  4. Bullshit single mans opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    If they used a Note instead of cheaper Android phones, then they wanted the stylus and multi-pane Note features. iPhone7 doesn't offer those. They'll switch to Note 6, or one of the other stylus Android phones from other manufacturers.

    "KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors..."

    So it's just one mans opinion and he didn't think it through.

    1. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Not just that, if they were in the market for an iPhone, they'd have bought that in the first place. And I daresay the iPhone would be more expensive than the note.

    2. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What other manufacturers offer a digitizer? Honestly, the stylus is wasted on a 16:9 device like the Note 7. It is also a crap aspect ratio for multi-pane, where the optimal aspect is ~14:10. (near sqrt(2), see ISO paper sizes for the why...)

      For the few that need a reminder, the iPhone7 also lacks a headphone jack, so it really isn't an alternative to anything. Please do your part, and vote with your wallet on this one.

    3. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      If they used a Note instead of cheaper Android phones, then they wanted the stylus and multi-pane Note features. iPhone7 doesn't offer those. They'll switch to Note 6, or one of the other stylus Android phones from other manufacturers.

      "KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors..."

      So it's just one mans opinion and he didn't think it through.

      Well, "KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo" has a better track record than "Anonymous Coward". And maybe the reason why people buy phones aren't what Android advocates claim they are after all.

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    4. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope - the Note 7 retailed for $850. The iPhone 7 is $650, the 7+ is $750.

    5. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Right, so why would they switch to a more expensive phone, when within the Android family, there are so many alternatives, even outside Samsung. Like Google, Sony, LG, et al

    6. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Scratch that, didn't see the number as 850... My bad

    7. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      150-200$ difference WOW!! Who knew headphone jacks cost so much? Apple Shareholders must be spraying "courage" all over lil'Timmy's backside in joy.

    8. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      If they used a Note instead of cheaper Android phones, then they wanted the stylus and multi-pane Note features. iPhone7 doesn't offer those. They'll switch to Note 6, or one of the other stylus Android phones from other manufacturers.

      "KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors..."

      So it's just one mans opinion and he didn't think it through.

      Stylus, no; but multi-pane? iOS 10 has multi-pane (split-screen), but only for the iPad. Apple surmises (probably after doing some experimenting), that multiple windows on a small display is pretty silly (which it is), when you can just Swipe to switch Applications.

      Now, although it appears that the iPhone 7 does not support the Apple Pencil, an off-hand remark by Tim Cook seems to indicate that Apple is at least considering having Pencil support in either the iPhone 7 or an upcoming model.

    9. Re: Bullshit single mans opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to fucking read.

    10. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by macs4all · · Score: 0

      For the few that need a reminder, the iPhone7 also lacks a headphone jack,

      And for the few that need a reminder, likely neither will the Samsung that replaces the S7 line.

      And for those people who are hand-wringing over the 3.5mm jack removal on the iPhone 7 (even though Apple includes an adapter for free), this company has a nifty little adapter for $10 that has a 3.5 mm jack and a female Lightning port, so you can charge and listen at the same time. They also are going to offer a $20 unit that will have both dual Lightning ports PLUS the 3.5 mm jack. So that "problem" is well and truly solved.

    11. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Not just that, if they were in the market for an iPhone, they'd have bought that in the first place. And I daresay the iPhone would be more expensive than the note.

      Well, Bloomberg says that even Samsung believed they were direct competitors, because they supposedly rushed the Note 7 to market to catch buyers disappointed with the "boring" iPhone 7. So why shouldn't that work in the opposite direction? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-18/samsung-crisis-began-in-rush-to-capitalize-on-uninspiring-iphone

      Oh, and the Note 7 only cost $20 less than an unlocked iPhone 7 Plus - but has half the on-board storage.

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    12. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Samsung believing that doesn't make it true. iPhones are not competitors to Galaxies any more than Macs are competitors to PCs

    13. Re:Bullshit single mans opinion. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Samsung believing that doesn't make it true. iPhones are not competitors to Galaxies any more than Macs are competitors to PCs

      You are of course right - Samsung is just a bunch of know-nothings. And you have to work for them.

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  5. Not equivelent by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So people who picked the Galaxy Note 7 over the Galaxy 7, would go for the much smaller iPhone7 ?

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    1. Re:Not equivelent by Xest · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, all 3 of them.

    2. Re:Not equivelent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are switching entire systems because of a hardware issue, which is unrelated to Android system as a whole, then chances are, they are also undecided voters.

    3. Re:Not equivelent by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand. Everyone now knows that Samsung is the evil devil and Apple is their saviour who could do no wrong. Samsung's phones explode because the company is actively trying to kill off it's foreign customers. If an iPhone ever exploded it would be entirely because the user was containing the energy wrong.

    4. Re:Not equivelent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all bullshit to appease Apple shareholders who are worried about the canned car project hitting their stock price. People in Android's walled garden stick to the same kind of system because they have a ton of games, apps, and content integrated to their accounts. It's the same reason many people stick to iThings, even if they don't upgrade.

    5. Re:Not equivelent by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't get it either... not only is the phone smaller, but the features are far FAR more limited. It's like replacing your Tesla with a Tricycle.

      If anything, the people switching to iPhones were originally iPhone users that switched to Android and got the wrong impression based on faulty hardware.

    6. Re:Not equivelent by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      You don't seem to understand. Everyone now knows that Samsung is the evil devil and Apple is their saviour who could do no wrong.

      Would that it was that simple. But operating systems aside, lets look at the situation. Its no doubt that people are really addicted to their smartphones, whatever their brand is.

      So disregarding the brand or OS, just how favorably are you going to look upon a phone that easily combusts, that you have to send it back in a special box, and worst of all, you have to be without a phone for a little while.

      I fell badly for Samsung. The battery aspect of all phones is a big problem, especially with marketing pressures such as a thin body shell and wireless charging taking up precious internal real estate, but dammit customers want a long battery life. So one of the safest ways of getting battery life is taken away.

      So high end phones are tickling the dragon's tail, there is so little room for error. Samsung just happened to be the manufacturer that got hammered.

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    7. Re:Not equivelent by operagost · · Score: 1

      Maybe they figure the smaller phone has a smaller battery, and thus is safer.

      This is the way average people think.

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    8. Re:Not equivelent by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      Easily combusts?

      I hope we get a more detailed analysis of what the cause of the failures was and what the likely lifetime failure rate was.

      It would be a shame if Samsung has to destroy all those beautiful Note 7's, perhaps they'll show up in foreign markets with a new battery eventually.

    9. Re:Not equivelent by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand. Everyone now knows that Samsung is the evil devil and Apple is their saviour who could do no wrong. Samsung's phones explode because the company is actively trying to kill off it's foreign customers. If an iPhone ever exploded it would be entirely because the user was containing the energy wrong.

      I thought this entire exploding Samsung phone thing was Apples fault? Pray, enlighten me oh bitter and hateful one... I am confused.

    10. Re:Not equivelent by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      They already did the "new battery" and those combusted too.

      Don't you think that if it was as easy as swapping a battery pack, they would still be selling them and not eating what could be a $5B disaster?

      This is a problem of fundamental design, or else it would have been fixed and they would still be on the market.

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    11. Re:Not equivelent by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      This is a problem of fundamental design, or else it would have been fixed and they would still be on the market.

      Some times we press the limits, some time we go past them. This is one of those times.

      There are some chemistry physics that we are pressing up against, and when dealing with energy density, the more we put into something, the more it wants to get out. So as we incorporate more energy, the effort to contain it becomes paramount. And we are hamstringing ourselves as we try to reduce all the other parameters - Thickness, weight, wireless charging - while increasing the stored energy. Yikes! A recipe for great warmth! Marketing forces are dictating the laws of physics these days. That seldom works.

      Marketing managers need to answer to the physicists and engineers and chemists, not command them.

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    12. Re:Not equivelent by nine-times · · Score: 1

      the iPhone 7 Plus is expected to be the main model benefitting from this transition.

      So when they say they're switching to the iPhone 7, they're really saying they're switching from Android to iPhone. The iPhone 7 Plus (5.5" screen) is only a little smaller than the Galaxy Note 7 (5.7" screen), and larger than the Galaxy 7 (5.1" screen).

    13. Re:Not equivelent by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You would hope so, and in some organizations that happens. I've sit in on a few engineering discussions where a response was being created to a "marketing requirements document" for a new product. You would be surprised (or maybe not, I don't know) at some of the shit that marketeers ask for when dreaming up products. And the engineering team gets to respond to these "requirements" often by saying things like "if some massive breakthrough in materials science happens in the next month, which allows for a 30% reduction of weight while increasing structural strength by 50%, then we can meet this requirement. Otherwise, it's not physically possible with current technology."

      By the way, that's usually the flowery language that gets sent to marketing, after everyone has a good laugh and a guessing game at what they might be smoking when they came up with the MRD.

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    14. Re:Not equivelent by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      This is a problem of fundamental design, or else it would have been fixed and they would still be on the market.

      It's likely a rushed design - there are reports that Samsung accelerated the release of the Note 7 so it could take the wind out of Apple's sails by having the Note 7 out and plentiful when the iPhone 7 was announced.

      So there could very well be fundamental flaws in the hardware because the urgency was to get it finished and manufactured in time for mass distribution by the Apple keynote (which happens in September, generally speaking).

      All this fallout from less than 100 smoking batteries, is indicative of some foul play.

      The problem is magnitude. The Note 7 was just coming out (it was out two weeks when the first report of fires came out). So by the time the recall hit, there were maybe a couple of million phones out there, of which there are at least 100 reports.

      This would be fine, but other phones typically have a few orders of magnitude less fire incidents - tens of millions of phones sold, single-digit numbers of fires. Even worse, the Note 7 caught fire using stuff Samsung provided - a Samsung adapter and Samsung cabling, so you can't even blame a fault 3rd party crap charger.

    15. Re:Not equivelent by macs4all · · Score: 2

      but dammit customers want a long battery life.

      ...and fast charging times. But with the S7's power-hog of a design (twice the battery of the iPhone 7, for only 6% better run-time, and actually LESS run-time than the iPhone 7 Plus!) means that Samsung had to not only "tickle the Dragon's tail", but to insert a finger or two up the Dragon's ass to try and get reasonably close to the iPhone's two hour charge time with their nearly 4,000 mAh battery. And the result exploded in their face, as the Dragon awoke to find that it was being anally-violated...

    16. Re:Not equivelent by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Marketing managers need to answer to the physicists and engineers and chemists, not command them.

      And the engineers that are responsible for the SoC in the S7 need to be fired, for making a design that eats nearly TWICE the power for a given set of tasks as the iPhone 7, and still delivers sub-par performance.

    17. Re:Not equivelent by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      By the way, that's usually the flowery language that gets sent to marketing, after everyone has a good laugh and a guessing game at what they might be smoking when they came up with the MRD.

      In my first ever "real" job, I was working on some wideband RF amps. These were high performance CATV trunking amps. Our VP was one of these marketing types. Well we were having trouble making the Cross modulation and second order specs on a batch. He comes down to visit, and asks what the problm is.

      "Whats th issue with those amplifiers?"

      They can't quite make the specs for Cross mod and second order."

      Oh - that's simple then. Just get them to make the specs for cross mod and second order."

      I wanted to say "Thanks for the tip, dumbass", but just said "Okay"

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    18. Re:Not equivelent by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Marketing managers need to answer to the physicists and engineers and chemists, not command them.

      And the engineers that are responsible for the SoC in the S7 need to be fired, for making a design that eats nearly TWICE the power for a given set of tasks as the iPhone 7, and still delivers sub-par performance.

      I hear people are warming up to it though.........

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    19. Re:Not equivelent by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Marketing managers need to answer to the physicists and engineers and chemists, not command them.

      And the engineers that are responsible for the SoC in the S7 need to be fired, for making a design that eats nearly TWICE the power for a given set of tasks as the iPhone 7, and still delivers sub-par performance.

      I hear people are warming up to it though.........

      Ba dum-BUMP!

    20. Re:Not equivelent by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Hopefully this is a lesson that is studied and learned across many market segments: rush a release just to take the jam out of a competitor's donut, and you might end up cutting a corner that costs the company $5B in real costs, and far more in intangible costs (damage to brand, reduced customer loyalty, etc.)

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  6. Um, no. by war4peace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is such a thing called "ecosystem lockdown" or however you want to call it.
    Be it from getting used to where stuff is, how UX works or whether you paid for shit (apps, games, etc).
    Also there's a big difference between what people say will do and what they will actually do.

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    1. Re:Um, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But...people don't really spend that much on Android apps. It follows that they're not locked into the Android ecosystem.

    2. Re:Um, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, most people don't understand the ecosystem. They don't know about "Android smartphones", what they know are "Samsung smartphones". And Samsung and Apple are the most well-known brands, if it's not Samsung they think they'll have to have Apple, not knowing that there are hundreds of other brands of Android smartphones...

    3. Re:Um, no. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      There's also a huge difference between what analysts say and reality.

    4. Re:Um, no. by cmseagle · · Score: 5, Informative

      The analyst cited in the article has a pretty good repuation (Google him). Doesn't seem prudent to outright reject his projections because you disagree with them.

    5. Re:Um, no. by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Causality breakdown detected.

      It may be people spend less money on Android apps because they want to spend less money on the total package.
      If that were true, it would follow that they would never buy an expensive iPhone in the first place, regardless of the ecosystem or apps.

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    6. Re:Um, no. by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      I would argue that the majority of people are not really aware of the implications of switching ecosystems unless they've switched in the past, or don't use them to the extent that it is too much of a bother.

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    7. Re:Um, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not reason to outright accept them when they don't particularly make sense.

    8. Re:Um, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cult of Mac" analyst says people will ditch Android for iPhone?

      How is that a "good reputation" ?

    9. Re:Um, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have not spent a penny on apps yet i have around 120 apps, some of which wont work on IOS. money has nothing to do with lock in (real or perceived)

    10. Re:Um, no. by tsqr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Causality breakdown detected.

      It may be people spend less money on Android apps because they want to spend less money on the total package. If that were true, it would follow that they would never buy an expensive iPhone in the first place, regardless of the ecosystem or apps.

      On the other hand, if they're avoiding expensive phones, they wouldn't have bought a Note 7 either.

    11. Re:Um, no. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Anectodal evidence: I never switched scosystems.
      Small sample statistical evidence: the dozens of people I talked to around the "Apple versus Android" topic all named "ecosystem" as the biggest switch prevention reason. Some reasons below (randomly ordered):
      - "my data is in the google Cloud" (pictures, contacts, calendar, files)
      - "I bought this or that app"
      - "I am used to the menus"
      - "Android sucks" / "Apple sucks".

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    12. Re:Um, no. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Their data is in that ecosystem. Pictures saved in cloud, e-mail, contacts, tasks, calendar.
      Switching is a pain, not because it's difficult but mainly because it's inconvenient.

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    13. Re:Um, no. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      If they are looking for inexpensive, they wouldn't be buying Samsung's flagship device. They would be buying something... inexpensive.

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    14. Re:Um, no. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Sometimes market trends don't particularly make sense, especially when that trend is a prompt reaction to a safety recall.

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    15. Re:Um, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attacking the publisher rather than the content. Always a good intellectual shortcut around actually reading and being informed.

    16. Re:Um, no. by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      If we're discussing a subgroup of Android users, then we should also look at the app-buying behaviour of that subgroup.
      For example; say the average age of all living human is about 35, that does not mean the average age of people in kindergarten is 35.
      Grandparent did not make such a distinction.

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    17. Re:Um, no. by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      The analyst cited in the article has a pretty good repuation (Google him). Doesn't seem prudent to outright reject his projections because you disagree with them.

      Ming-Chi Kuo has an amazing reputation predicting future Apple products. There is zero history of predictions about sales and consumer preferences, which are completely different. No Apple insider or supply chain source can help shed light on that.

    18. Re:Um, no. by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. But as a 5-year Samsung user, I can tell you that Samsung isn't there. I'm a little there with Android, but I could care less about any one particular Android vendor.

    19. Re:Um, no. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      maybe it was that 200$ tax stamp for a destructive device

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    20. Re:Um, no. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Causality breakdown detected.

      It may be people spend less money on Android apps because they want to spend less money on the total package. If that were true, it would follow that they would never buy an expensive iPhone in the first place, regardless of the ecosystem or apps.

      Yeah, exactly. Unless of course it's not that people don't want to spend money on apps, but that Android apps are mostly "free", so they don't spend much on Android apps. Or that people are only willing to pay for high quality apps, and that is why most Android apps are free.

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    21. Re:Um, no. by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I second this (I know much people here [I'm Brazillian] that avoid an iPhone exactly for this)

    22. Re:Um, no. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Same here, I had HTC and Samsung phones, my wife's tablet is a Nexus built by LG, my brother-in-law also owns an LG tablet.
      None of us care about the brand, but what the device has to offer.

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  7. Yeah, right... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    Your new Hyundai sedan might randomly explode, so after you return it you are likely to buy a Harley motorcycle instead???

    Not related: I used to buy most things samsung until about 1-2 years ago (2 monitors, phones, AC, Plasma Smart TV, home theater, external USB drives etc), but after their support treated me badly on the Smart TV and my Galaxy phone stopped getting updates relatively soon (with the last one being subpar), I vowed to never buy Samsung again - for phones I switched to Xiaomi...

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    1. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the brush with death inspired someone to live a little more.. on the edge?

    2. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My over 2.5 year old Galaxy S5 just got an update from Samsung last week.

    3. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Galaxy S5 is exactly 2.5 years old if you got it a launch and it is a flagship device, so it gets about 3 years worth of updates. I had an S3 at some point, which was the 2012 flagship and only got updated to android 4.4.4. If I had gone with the much cheaper Xiaomi Mi 2 back then, I would be able to upgrade to day to the latest MIUI 8 / Android 6.0.1.
      For non-flagship devices things are dreadful, my wife's Galaxy Ace got no updates beyond the original Android 2.3 and it was unstable so it was replaced with an Ace 2 which thankfully got an upgrade to Jelly Bean, which is not that exciting as Jelly Bean was actually released a couple of months after the phone launched! And no updates since then. Going back to Xiaomi, even their non-flagship Redmi series gets updates for years (e.g. a friend with a 2-year old dirt cheap Redmi 1S also has MIUI 8 / Android 6.0.1).

    4. Re:Yeah, right... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the brush with death inspired someone to live a little more.. on the edge?

      No, I think the Edge was recalled, too...

    5. Re:Yeah, right... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      My over 2.5 year old Galaxy S5 just got an update from Samsung last week.

      And my five year old iPhone and nearly six year old iPad just got an update a month ago.

  8. I'm sure there were more than 2 Note buyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but if not, I can believe one went with an iphone since, by the bell curve law, half the population are idiots.

  9. Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    . . . .there are, or WERE three choices: the Galaxy Note 7, the iPhone 7, and the Pixel.

    With the Samsung, pulled, that leaves 2 remaining choices. A 50-50 split is pretty much expected, all things being equal. But, as noted elsewhere, at least with the Pixel, you're still in the Android ecosystem. . .

    1. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      You forget the S7 Edge.

    2. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forget the S7 Edge.

      Why should I pay an extra hundred dollars for unusable functionality when I can just by an S7? That is unless you like having messages displayed without unlocking your phone; I happen to be one of the users who likes to keep their messages private while my phone is locked.

    3. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Galaxy Note 7 is/was not the competitor to the iPhone or even the biggest seller of Samsung phones. The Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge, neither of which are as prone to random explosions are the flagship models.

    4. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Which shops sell Pixels?

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    5. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      I know that Ting Wireless sells them online. . .

      Me, I refuse to pay the Bleeding Edge Tax. I'm currently upgrading the family's Galaxy S3s to Galaxy S5's . . it's all about balancing capability with cost. . .

    6. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is apparently not quite enough Pixels produced to absorb the x million people now looking for a replacement.

    7. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what characteristics you are using for inclusion in your choices, there are other phones with similar hardware. For example, the LG V20.

    8. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by tsqr · · Score: 1

      The S7 Edge has a much larger screen and a larger battery. In fact, it has a slightly larger battery than the Note 7.

    9. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Aside from the silly slide thing, you do get a more visual real estate in a smaller (narrower) package. Plus a larger battery. And, in some cases, carriers are offering bigger discounts on the S7E at the moment (the difference was $0 for me: $149 either way on the big V)

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    10. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by macs4all · · Score: 1

      . . . .there are, or WERE three choices: the Galaxy Note 7, the iPhone 7, and the Pixel.

      With the Samsung, pulled, that leaves 2 remaining choices. A 50-50 split is pretty much expected, all things being equal. But, as noted elsewhere, at least with the Pixel, you're still in the Android ecosystem. . .

      You say that like it's a good thing...

    11. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Motorola, LG and Sony (and maybe other manufacturers) flagships don't fall in this category?

    12. Re:Well, at the bleeding edge. . . by fbobraga · · Score: 1
  10. Ecosystem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think millenial mobile-hipsters are taking themselves too seriously. It's not an ecosystem, it's a phone. Also, nobody (in the US) knows that Samsung is South Korean, and if they do, nobody cares.

    Do a search for "KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo" - a famous Apple fanboi/troll.

  11. Still looking for data, not projections by gardner · · Score: 1

    While Ming-Chi Kuo has a very good track record over the years on most things Apple, I'm not sure that gives him any inside track on predicting the behavior of Samsung customers when presented with an unprecedented situation. Unless he has sales channel data supporting this, its just a more informed estimate.

    Until people actually buy their replacements, and we get sales data somehow to reflect this, we are still in the land of speculation, however well intentioned.

    And the numbers may well be different for behavior after the first and second recalls (yeah, who knew we needed those sort of terms).

    Hopefully someone on the Apple call next week will ask for some data from Apple about this in the context of sales in the current quarter.

    Until Apple says something backed by actual data, or someone manages a survey of behavior (Verizon/ATT/etc) does, its all just guesses.

  12. If only Amazon had a phone... by fuzzyf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Switching from Galaxy Note 7 to an Amazon Fire Phone... *ba-dum-tshh*

    ... I'll see myself out ...

  13. S7 Edge by fred6666 · · Score: 1

    The S7 Edge is very similar to the Note 7. The main difference is the pen. The iPhone do not have a pen.
    Seems more likely the people will switch to the S7 Edge. The Pixel XL is another likely candidate since at least it's running the same OS.

    1. Re:S7 Edge by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      The brand damage is such that not many people are going to be like, "Yeah, give me another Samsung phone. In fact, give me another one from the same family."

      How many people taking the VW TDi buyback option are going to go out and buy another VW?

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    2. Re:S7 Edge by green1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But how many will go from a VW TDi to a moped?

      No, there people will pick one of the dozens of other Android phone makers because they want the capabilities that the Androids have.

      My suspicion is that the Pixel will be the big winner in all of this, though there are better choices out there.

    3. Re:S7 Edge by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      It's merely your assumption that the brand has been damaged. The vast majority of Note 7 owners never had an issue with their phone, it was recalled and they were inconvenienced. The VW situation was different, all the VW's recalled were defective. VW owners were all deceived. It remains to be seen if the Note 7 issues involved more than an excessively high rate of failure (which could still be a very low rate of failure) of batteries or was something deeper.

    4. Re:S7 Edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My co-worker got something like 15K for his VW buyback, he bought a GTI with it. I can't say how many obviously, but there are definitely some.

    5. Re:S7 Edge by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most people (e.g. people that don't post to Slashdot) don't give a shit about all the capabilities that Android has.

      They want a big technoslab that they can text from, look shit up on the web, take selfies and post them to the Book of Faces, read reviews about the place they are going to eat, get directions to that place, and occasionally make phone calls.

      Just about any phone out there, including the iPhone, meets those "requirements".

      Also, your loose comparison of the iPhone 7 to a moped is ridiculous, and shows bias.

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    6. Re:S7 Edge by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Although I find nothing to disagree with in your statement, those who have shelled out a small-fortune for a Galaxy Note 7 may be part of a self-selected group that does care about other things. Otherwise they could buy something much cheaper.

    7. Re:S7 Edge by macs4all · · Score: 1

      But how many will go from a VW TDi to a moped?

      No, there people will pick one of the dozens of other Android phone makers because they want the capabilities that the Androids have.

      My suspicion is that the Pixel will be the big winner in all of this, though there are better choices out there.

      You are full of shit.

    8. Re:S7 Edge by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      Apple pisses me off as a corporation. I find the iPhone ecosystem restrictive and annoying.

      But calling it a "moped" is ridiculous.

      And we in the Android camp should get off our high horses. Android is a fucking mess. Bastardized *nix userspace, Google creepware everywhere, incredibly inefficient bytecode VM (relative to native code), and now we can't even trust our devices to run apps reliably, thanks to the non-optional Doze being forced on us all. Hint: app whitelist does not do what you might think it does.

      I myself cannot wait for a proper Unix phone (like our sacred old n900) to make a new appearance and .. please oh please .. popular splash.

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  14. The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    is so huge, detrimental to Samsung's reputation, and beneficial to the main American competitor, that it this point it's clear it must have been in some part manufactured. Remember that there have been many products with batteries that have failed like this, and in much larger quantities than 100 out of ~2.5M, but the fallout was nowhere near this.

    "Never waste a good crisis" as a certain current person once said, and I think this is the minor crisis that was jumped on, inflated in the media and social sites, with the intention of this very fallout, and if you look at social sites like Reddit.com then most of the top-comments are almost like a choir, agreeing with eachother in unison that people should never buy Samsung again.

    All this fallout from less than 100 smoking batteries, is indicative of some foul play.

    1. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free publicity is never a bad thing. Remember, the world is full of idiots and morons and republicans and democrats and greens and Trump supporters and Clinton supporters and slashdot trollers. In short, situation normal: all fucked up.

    2. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone looking to make a few million selling short would certainly do well to spend a few hundred thousand drumming up bad publicity, yes.

      Anyway, IME when I used to choose Apple for nearly everything, the Apple approach to a safety issue is "nope, we've not heard of this before", even when the problem was plastered all over the web (e.g. Magsafe connectors going a nice crispy brown).

    3. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Imazalil · · Score: 1

      So, bend-gate was a Russian plot as well then?

    4. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      It's time to take your medicine. There is no conspiracy here - people don't like the idea that a phone can burn their fucking house down, even if the probability is low. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

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    5. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was the fallout from "bend-gate" anywhere as big as from the 100 smoking Samsung batteries? It was nowhere near, so what kind of comparison are you trying to make exactly?

    6. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point theyre trying to make is that the consequences for other cases of unreliable li-ion batteries have been small, even when the numbers of bad batteries have been ten, a hundred, or even a thousand times greater. This was a tiny issue, and its suspicious that theres almost an army of people out there now drumming up the notion that Samsung products cant be trusted.

    7. Re: The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember those "hover boards"? Yea you do, they had the batteries that exploded to. You know what happen to them? They got banned from being sold in countries all over the world. Now you hardly ever see them.

      Samsung is lucky they aren't getting fined for this shit.

    8. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by macs4all · · Score: 1

      and in much larger quantities than 100 out of ~2.5M

      Name one.

    9. Re: The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any numbers? No? Again, let us know when you find something where U.S. demands full ban and recall for millions of devices after less than a hundred batteries burst. Put things into context, and you will see how shady it looks.

    10. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      I didn't read "conspiracy" in that statement. I also don't look at the lack of purchase of something that might cause harm being a bad choice. I look at the single name given as the alternative...I mean... natural progression.. being an issue.

      "Doesn't buy Samsung, intelligently" does not equate to "Buying iPhone 7 is the best recourse". "Buying something other than the risk" is the best. Numbers are so malleable nowadays that this could easily by a ploy by Apple to get more customers. Mind ya, the same company that sued Samsung for making a device that looked too much like theirs.

    11. Re:The fallout from less than 100 batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hp had f.ex. ~100 burning batteries out of 160k sold for one of their laptop models in 2011, you just have to learn how to use an internet search engine. but that barely made the news outside of the tech sites, just standard procedure. but here we have about 50 confirmed out of a couple of million, and samsung are now made out as the devil, and the "buy american" fascist brigade is out trying to convince people that you can not trust samsung products. just wake up and see what a shady propaganda storm they have cooked up to hurt samsung.

  15. Some like Headphone Jacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some of us like headphone jacks!

    1. Re:Some like Headphone Jacks by macs4all · · Score: 2

      Some of us like headphone jacks!

      That's why the iPhone 7 comes with a headphone jack. Right on the end of the handy, included headphone adapter.

  16. And the analyst says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me get this straight. Survey says 30% (down from 34% in earlier survey) will go to Apple iPhone 7Plus. Users are presumably aware that this is a different form factor device than the Galaxy Note 7.

    Now comes "analyst" who proclaims 50% of Samsung Note 7 users will switch to Apple iPhone Plus, even though users have said otherwise in surveys. And 62% of users claim they will stay with Android OS.

    So.... either users lie a lot or analysts are full of BS

    Or both?

    1. Re:And the analyst says... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      The answer is both. Some people are full of shit, and lots of those people are called "Analysts."

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  17. iLGBTQ by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    This is another example of the wussification of America.

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    1. Re:iLGBTQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and a big dose of "buy american" market fascism and protectionism. they saw a opportuniy to smear the name of a huge competitor in the US electronics market and jumped at it. this was a minor issue, and anyone who thinks samsung products are bad is clearly a sheep.

  18. BLU Phones by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    I honestly think that this is an opportunity for BLU to make inroads, I use an unlocked and rooted BLU Phone, and I like the Vanilla AOSP feel of the units, the fact the units have a Removable battery, Two SIM card slots, and an SD Card. They are cheaper, and work well with third party online applications like OwnCloud, and eGroupware.

    However many retail locations are discontinuing them. Cyanogen Mod only supports certain models of them. I've seen some Youtubers praise these phones as being close to Parity with some of LG or Samsung's Offerings.

    1. Re:BLU Phones by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      That is because marketing sells phones. Very few people (1-2%) care about two SIM slots for example.

  19. Stylus by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    The big selling point for the Note for me was the stylus. Does the iPhone even have a stylus? I think what this survey proves is that people just mindlessly go for the biggest newest shiniest thing.

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  20. Reacting to the event and ignoring the outcome by SpiralBound · · Score: 1

    I think anyone who chooses to switch from the Samsung Galaxy Note to any other brand of phone _solely_ due to the recent battery issue is being rather shortsighted. Samsung just had their noses rubbed in this - quite badly in fact. Starting with the Note 8, I would expect the Samsung to be the LAST phone manufacturer to be troubled with defective batteries. This is one design flaw they are going to want to avoid forevermore.

    While their competitors may be gleefully reaping the rewards of this, who is to say that the same or similar incident won't happen to another manufacturer like LG, Google, or even (gasp) Apple? Do we even _really_ know why this happened? Sure, there was a specific plant who took the blame, but that only assigns a location. Could it be this is a factor of the arms race within the phone industry? Perhaps Samsung only hit this issue first? Even if the other manufacturers don't have this happen to their next product versions, you can bet they'll now be on the lookout for it...

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  21. Re:"likely"? by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

    "50 percent of Note 7 owners likely to switch to iPhone"... ... hoe likely? like 50% chances?

    *sigh*

    There's a 50/50 chance, though there's only a 10 percent chance of that.

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  22. In other news. by Eosi · · Score: 1

    In other news. Paid Analyst makes up numbers to help improve Apple's stock and further drop the price on Samsung stock........

  23. /. math by unixisc · · Score: 1

    While 40 percent of them said they are ready to jump ship to a different manufacturer, 30 percent of respondents said they are likely going to be switching to the iPhone.

    Since when is 30 in 100 equal to 1 in 2, as the headline suggests? In addition to their other shortcomings, are /. editors like BeauHD incapable of using a calculator, if their math skills are so abysmal?

    1. Re:/. math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Since when is 30 in 100 equal to 1 in 2, as the headline suggests?

      Probably the same reason that Donald Trump and the Republican Party think they represent ALL of America.

    2. Re:/. math by soapdude · · Score: 1

      Probably for the same reason any president thinks they represent ALL of America. 30% voter turn out means that at the very least the president earned the vote of 16% of people. Awesome.

    3. Re:/. math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Probably for the same reason any president thinks they represent ALL of America. 30% voter turn out means that at the very least the president earned the vote of 16% of people. Awesome.

      That sounds about right for Donald Trump.

    4. Re:/. math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a dolt. Thankfully partisan idiots like you are so exceptionally stupid that they color all partisans in an ill light.

    5. Re:/. math by morcego · · Score: 1

      Since when is 30 in 100 equal to 1 in 2, as the headline suggests? In addition to their other shortcomings, are /. editors like BeauHD incapable of using a calculator, if their math skills are so abysmal?

      That's because 30% of the time, they will switch every time.

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    6. Re:/. math by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Since there was more than one analyst.

    7. Re:/. math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a dolt. Thankfully partisan idiots like you are so exceptionally stupid that they color all partisans in an ill light.

      You are aware that Trump has absolutely no chance of winning the election? Since the 2016 electoral map is identical to 2008 and 2012, Trump has to perform better than John McCain and Mitt Romney. Trump, being an equal opportunity offender, isn't performing at all. He might make history as the biggest loser in modern times with less than 40% of the votes.

      http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-polling-229916

    8. Re:/. math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that you are a fucking idiot, and no one came here to read your shit about politics. So go back to Hillaries snatch and suck some more fucking retard.

    9. Re:/. math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You are aware that you are a fucking idiot, and no one came here to read your shit about politics.

      Yet here you are replying to my comment.

      So go back to Hillaries snatch and suck some more fucking retard.

      Thank God I'm not a Trump supporter like yourself.

    10. Re:/. math by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      from outside (I'm Brazillian), I'm everyday less certain of this: the Hillary rejection only seems to climb...

    11. Re:/. math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      from outside (I'm Brazillian), I'm everyday less certain of this: the Hillary rejection only seems to climb...

      Based on what? POTUS is decided by the electoral college vote and not the popular vote. Hillary started off with ~350 electoral votes. The only way Trump can get the minimum 271 electoral votes is to win Florida (can go either way), Ohio (no Republican has ever won without this state) and Pennsylvania (last voted Republican in 1988). If he fails to win all three states, the election is over. Based on current polls in those states, he's not going to win the election.

    12. Re: /. math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on local media: I can (hopefully) be wrong

    13. Re:/. math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Regan had no chance and just like Brexit had no chance. Trump is actually killing it given the extraordinary media bias against him and for Hillary and his own party not supporting him. Its really going to come down to nothing more than the Democrat voter fraud machine, if they rev it up (and they certainly will try) then Hillary will win. I sure hope that the D's get caught red handed enough times in this election that they end up sunk.

    14. Re:/. math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Trump is actually killing it given the extraordinary media bias against him and for Hillary and his own party not supporting him.

      Trump is killing himself by being himself. This has nothing to do with media bias, Hillary or the Republican Party.

      Its really going to come down to nothing more than the Democrat voter fraud machine, if they rev it up (and they certainly will try) then Hillary will win.

      The only widespread fraud in this race is Donald Trump. The more he talks about the election being rigged, the more likely his voters will stay home.

      I sure hope that the D's get caught red handed enough times in this election that they end up sunk.

      Republicans are more likely to get caught red handed with these schemes to mislead voters by voting online or by phone, go to the wrong polling place, or list the wrong date for the election.

  24. 30% of 40% does not equal 50% by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    From the aritcle:

    "A study that was conducted recently by Branding Brand revealed that 40 percent of Samsung customers who ordered a Note 7 are ready to jump ship to a different manufacturer, with 30 percent of respondents explaining that the iPhone is very likely to be their next destination. Only 8 percent of them picked the Google Pixel, but what's good for the ecosystem is that 62 percent of the users said they wanted to stick with Android."

  25. Literally the very next sentence of TFS... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors that approximately 50 percent of those who ordered a Note 7 are now very likely to go for an iPhone 7,

    Just keep reading. No, I'm not demanding you actually read TFA either - nobody does that.

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    1. Re:Literally the very next sentence of TFS... by unixisc · · Score: 1
      I did. It read

      However, according to one analyst, that number could be even higher.

      Nowhere in the cited passage that followed did it say anything about 1/2 of Note 7 users switching to the iPhone.

    2. Re:Literally the very next sentence of TFS... by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Nowhere in the cited passage that followed did it say anything about 1/2 of Note 7 users switching to the iPhone.

      it's the invisible hand of the market, you know... (careful with that: it can be next to your but when you last expect :P)

    3. Re:Literally the very next sentence of TFS... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I did. It read

      However, according to one analyst, that number could be even higher.

      Nowhere in the cited passage that followed did it say anything about 1/2 of Note 7 users switching to the iPhone.

      So what exactly makes you think that the numbers in the headline refer to the section you quoted instead of the section the other guy quoted, you know, the section that actually contains the numbers in the headline?

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  26. This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 in 2 Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Owners have turned gay.

  27. I would consider purchasing a Note 8, if... by ad454 · · Score: 1

    Samsung could clearly and verifiably show what the real issue is with the Note 7, which they have not done yet. And then show that it was completely solved and safe in the Note 8.

    Plus ship the Note 8 with a fully unlocked Bootloader, so that we can easily install crapware-free ROM's such as CyanogenMod.

    There are a lot of good things to like about the Samsung Galaxy Note series, including phablet size, stylus, and display.

    1. Re:I would consider purchasing a Note 8, if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of things to hate about the Samsung Galaxy Note series, including phablet size, stylus, and display.

  28. Re:Courage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't Tim Cook that said it. But I'm sure you knew that before you repeated an already tired Internet meme like a good little drone.

    What, couldn't find a way to work in "holding it wrong" ?

  29. Obvious Choice by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    The amazon "fire" phone seems apropos.

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  30. hmm by nomadic · · Score: 1

    I used to switch between iPhones and android every time I switched phones, and it had zero to do with specific models. I just got annoyed enough at whatever mobile OS I was using to switch. Now I'm sticking with Android. Both OSes annoy me, but at least with Android I can avoid the obnoxious Apple aesthetic.

    1. Re:hmm by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I used to switch between iPhones and android every time I switched phones, and it had zero to do with specific models. I just got annoyed enough at whatever mobile OS I was using to switch. Now I'm sticking with Android. Both OSes annoy me, but at least with Android I can avoid the obnoxious Apple aesthetic.

      Glad to see you based your decision on sound, fact-based, feature-comparative, principles.

    2. Re:hmm by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Aesthetics is a legitimate thing to have a preference on; I mean, let's be honest, that's the reason behind like 80% of Apple purchases. And obviously there are other features I like better about Android, particularly native filesystem access without having to install a kludgy app, and its integration with Google services.

    3. Re:hmm by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Aesthetics is a legitimate thing to have a preference on; I mean, let's be honest, that's the reason behind like 80% of Apple purchases

      While I agree that aesthetics is a legitimate thing to have a preference on, I utterly disagree that that is "the" reason behind even 20% of Apple purchases, let alone 80%.

      And for you to state something so ridiculous just underscores the fact that you simply do not understand what makes Apple products so desirable. For example:

      IBM is busily deploying 1,300 ADDITIONAL Macs PER WEEK to go along with the 90,000 they have already. Do you think they are doing that because they LOOK PRETTY?

      Shawnee Heights School District has gone from 100% Microsoft to "mostly Apple" in five years. Do you think it was the ROUNDED CORNERS?

      Jacobs Medial Center at UC San Diego Health is rolling-out a revolutionary Patient Care System using iPads and Apple TV. Do you think they spent all that Development time and money so their patients can choose TV channels more easily?

      And I suppose it is Aesthetics that brings record attendance from IT and business professionals to the Seventh Annual Jamf Nation User Conference to discuss Apple deployment in the Enterprise.

      And I am sure that it is the pretty case designs that are causing increased employee demand at Lego for Apple products in their workplace. Afterall, they don't have anything better to do at their jobs than play with Legos all day, right? They don't have any real work to do...

      No. Of course 80% of those purchases and development were based on Apple's aesthetics.

      By the way, that was just from TWO days' worth of articles from TWO sites. Wonder why NONE of those stories appeared on Slashdot, when it breathlessly announces every time Microsoft or Google so much as blows a fart in their general direction The anti-Apple bias on this site is palpable, and nauseating.

      You're as pathetic as Slashdot. Give it a rest.

  31. Trust in the Samsung ecosystem by jrumney · · Score: 1

    Not that I ever used it, but my TV annoyed me with a notification this evening about the Samsung Link service ending on November 1. The timing isn't exactly great for a company that needs to instill confidence in its ecosystem in the wake of its flagship smartphone becoming a complete disaster.

  32. Holy Sh8t! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    There are still Note 7 users?

  33. Simple choices by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    If you what something that's 95% of a Note 7, you're going to get a S7 Edge. Same great camera, same IP68, nearly the same UX (and nearly identical after Nougat), same edge functionality, uSD storage, same great battery life, and works with the 2-3 bonus gifts you got (Active watch, uSD card, Gear VR).

    If you are pissed as Samsung and don't want to "reward them," you'll be getting either a Pixel or an LG V20. Both are fresh off the line (not some "old, tired" model from 6 months ago, like the S7E), come with cool gifts, and promise to be great phones.

    If you were an iPhone user the switched to the Note 7, you're probably going to go back to iOS, because ain't nobody got time of dis sheit [exploding Android phones] and everybody you told you were switching has ribbed you endlessly about your poor judgement. Plus, the baristas have promised that they'll let you back in to get your PSL as long as you switch back.

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  34. Re:Courage! by macs4all · · Score: 1

    So what Mr. Cook meant by "courage" was it would take courage for brand loyal consumers to switch from Androids to an inferior Apple product.

    What is "inferior", pray tell, about the iPhone 7? Answer carefully, as I can most likely logically and factually refute any of your reasoning.

  35. A thousand times by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1
    This:

    Also there's a big difference between what people say will do and what they will actually do.

    As Brexit showed us, Westerners have grown very comfortable (and now even enjoy in Durdenesque way) lying to pollsters.

    This is why the specter of Trump still worries me; he's not behind enough.

  36. Most people aren't experts in everything. by Brannon · · Score: 1

    I once chastised my wife, "how can you not be curious how the TV works?" and she replied "how can you not be curious how your circulatory system works?". And she was right.

    Do you think people who design bridges sit around complaining that "all these idiots driving over our bridges and they know nothing of the nuanced load bearing tradeoffs between suspension bridges and cable stayed--they just want to get to the other side". No, they don't, but for some reason we criticize people who don't care about the difference between an iPhone and an Android.

    1. Re: Most people aren't experts in everything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We criticize them when they bash android as a whole for a problem that was samsungs. I've never heard someone say this bridge sucks I'm never going to use a bridge in this state ever again.

    2. Re: Most people aren't experts in everything. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      We criticize them when they bash android as a whole for a problem that was samsungs.

      And switching to an iPhone is "bashing Android"?

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    3. Re:Most people aren't experts in everything. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      It's funny, I'm curious about how EVERYTHING works. Even my circulatory system.

      Some people want to have a good understanding of everything.

      Other people don't care.

      That's just how us meatbags are. :)

  37. Makes sense by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    is the same target-audience - it cam be viewed from another perspective: Apple only is getting 50% of the market of the angry user-base of Note 7 (it seems a pretty bad picture for Apple...)

  38. "Rest assured..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We guarantee that the analyst doesn't have any influence on his statistical cooking or presentation of numbers by any companies that start with the letter A."

  39. Re:Courage! by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    So what Mr. Cook meant by "courage" was it would take courage for brand loyal consumers to switch from Androids to an inferior Apple product.

    What is "inferior", pray tell, about the iPhone 7? Answer carefully, as I can most likely logically and factually refute any of your reasoning.

    It's not as white as your teeth.

  40. Re:Courage! by macs4all · · Score: 1

    So what Mr. Cook meant by "courage" was it would take courage for brand loyal consumers to switch from Androids to an inferior Apple product.

    What is "inferior", pray tell, about the iPhone 7? Answer carefully, as I can most likely logically and factually refute any of your reasoning.

    It's not as white as your teeth.

    Actually, I would venture that the white model is quite a bit whiter than my teeth, LOL!

  41. Analysts by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

    After carefully analysis I found that 4 out 2 analysts misrepresent their facts correctly.

  42. Let's play the analogy game! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samsung is to Android as Trump is to the democratic process.

  43. Customer trust in Samsung is collapsing with reaso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Up front, I’m deep in the Apple ecosphere (laptop, iphone, appleTV), but Apple’s been annoying me more and more, and I’d been contemplating jumping ship to Samsung, until

    My fiancee's Galaxy III screen cracked and she decided it was time for something bigger, settling on a Tab A. She bought a Samsung Tab A (6, I think?) the first week of September. She still hasn’t been able to use it (mid October).

    When we got it home, it wouldn’t charge.

    The store that sold it refused to replace it, refused to refund it (we live in Malaysia, which has weak customer rights laws). They insisted that we repair it under warranty. But they don’t do the repairs. Different Samsung sub-contractors do the repairs.

    The first repair depot we went to tried to give the phone back to us in the same condition - they claimed to not find anything wrong with it. BUT when they tested it in front of us, it wouldn’t charge. Still, they insisted that we take it back. They would not replace it, and would not repair it. They weren’t the seller, and so definitely would not refund it.

    They did recommend a second repair depot, a different sub-contractor. This repair depot sees the problem but can’t solve it. They asked Samsung for permission to replace the phone. Permission denied. They attempted to give it (a non-working brand new phone) back to us with apologies. We refused to take it.

    They’ve had it for a few weeks now, and again called us this weekend to tell us that they can't fix it and can’t replace it. Again we’ve refused to accept it, leaving it as an open docket in their system. Now they tell us that they’ve put in a ‘more urgent’ request to Samsung to authorize a replacement.

    If/when we get a working version of this phone, it’s immediately going up for sale. We’ll take the loss just to get rid of it. I don’t know what she’ll buy next. Our budget really doesn’t allow for an iPhone 7, so maybe Sony.

  44. I'm unaffected but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still a Samsung person, this was inevitable. You start maximizing space too far and eventually your going to start sacrificing divider thickness on your battery. Plenty of Lithium Ion Batteries blow up each year(plenty = a small fraction), all Samsung did was design a device with a really small margin of error and this time a few batches of that model exceeded the margin enough to blow up. I personally applaud that only after a dozen or so incidents they did a full recall of all relevant batches, you don't see corporate accountability like that anymore.

    At the end of the day Samsung's failure is from stuffing more into less space and the reason Iphones aren't blowing up is because they aren't innovating enough. (ie. MST, Qi/PowerMat, better processing, memory, and upgraded wifi, bluetooth and SIM modules) oh and don't for get a 3.5mm headphone jack!

  45. hmm. No. by stooo · · Score: 1

    This percentage of switch to iphone is only in the US.
    Which is a small market now.

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