The question is how do you accurately value a company with an unproven business model and no clear profit lines? Also considering that this company has had a whole legion of predecessors who had the same idea, but failed for one reason or another to become profitable or sustainable.
Because this one has more ads and marketing crap bundled into it. Just my opinion.
So they cracked one drive that shows it contains his personal, private data and also contains child pornography... This isn't enough to convict based on.......?
Do they just want the numbers to look bigger once they convict? I don't get why what they have isn't enough.
All a nuclear device would do in space is heat it up, pretty rapidly, maybe enough to thermal-stress-fracture it into several pieces, but nevertheless a nuclear weapon in space is not going to blow an asteroid (or anything else) to bits.
Well, we have to play with toys and money to test that and be sure.
Sounds kind of flaky but he's got a $100K grant...
Come on, you gotta let people play with money in ways that are so slim to succeed that they'll need to ask for more to play with. It's how the aste.. err.. WORLD goes 'round.
And also, maybe he'll get to play with a nuke or at least watch during a test. Everyone wants to do it!
What, you think someone smart enough to design a mission to intercept an asteroid with an impactor and hit that crater with a nuke wouldn't know to take the spin into account?
All this study was doing is working out whether the idea would work, not designing a complete mission profile for a specific asteroid.
You know what you're doing in your comment? It's called assuming. The parent's question is pefectly valid and deserved a damned good discussion!
Nerds now do not like organizations or people that sue others based on things that said person or organization actually does, so yes, it is News for Nerds.
PETA, through its kill shelters, is responsible for killing more pet animals than any other entity on earth. Their political stance is about gathering money, and nothing else.
RENAME TIME!
PPTA - People for the Profitable Treatment of Animals
So then we should take the typical cost of filing such a lawsuit (including lawyer fees) and multiply it by 750 for each individual they wrongfully included in this lawsuit. That's what they should pay for attempting this bullshit. And then they still need to go back and do it all correctly if they actually want to proceed with the lawsuits.
You know, that is a very logical and smart comment.
I see criminal cases on a daily basis, given my line of work, and you see people getting billed shit-tons of money for a conviction of something awful, but no jail time.
Let's reverse this and try "x Company must prove that the amount they are suing for must be equal or less than the amount of money (SANS legal expenses) that they lost if this individual is guilty. If they cannot prove with 100% iron-clad evidence that the individual being sued performed the act of downloading and sharing their product, and that this sharing actually caused the company to lose sales without any shadow of doubt, the company will lose the amount of the suit multiplied by 1000 as punitive damages to the court and the individual sued. Now go and pick your individual lawsuit candidates well, oh x Company. The future of your paid home groundskeeping costs are on the line.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and $10 PER COPY for thousands of copies is not a small claim.
I think you're failing to take into account that "copy" does not define an act as a one-to-many relationship. Copy can be a one-to-one act, but the ending act can be replicated many times. I believe that's called a "branch" relationship or in certain cases a "chain reaction".
What the idiot (and I do mean IDIOT) **AA individuals and their paid minions cover up (if they have the intelligence to even realize it in the first place) is the root point of a copy is not the source of the problem. If there is a problem, it is with each copy act that takes place. It's kind of hard to sue every damned sub copier of material even though it looks like they are beginning to try this with the ISP 6-strikes relationships. Hell, individual suits for individual copies would be suing 12 million people for $10 plus damages. They know the courts would refuse to execute on this, and with certain news articles, it looks like some are just now getting to that point.
I'm not a mathematical expert in any sense, but I do have a very good overall visual-spatial mental processing ability. I try to make the comparison to the "lost profit dollars (and I am not talking about made up shit numbers with projections and other crap nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and verbs tied to it, but ACTUAL HARD NUMBERS) and the amount of money the corporations spend on adaptation, suits, research, punishments, bad flack and its future definitions of assholishness, etc. I look at both of those and do a simple weight in my brain and the loss is astounding in terms of fighting.
It's not anywhere near the level of intelligence we refer to as "rocket science" to understand that there are two simple concepts that have been PROVEN over time with actual death, destruction, multiplication, success, and joy:
1. When you tell people it's wrong to do something that doesn't HARM another person (but it's just defined as "wrong"), it causes people to want to do it more (and Hell, even find more creative ways of doing it just to show you what an idiot you are for trying to stop the processes).
2. When you create something that is awesome that people benefit from but it's too much work to just "do it yourself", they pay and keep paying but complain about it unless new stuff comes out to spice it up a bit.
**AA refuses to evolve or can't afford to. Given their profit margins and the lifestyles of the C*Os, they just refuse to evolve. They want to pull in assloads of money without hardly doing any thinking or work, like they used to do back in the 20th century. It was easy to give a percentage to individuals and groups (bands etc) to make them feel and act rich'n'famous while still pocketing over 200,000% of the money those rich famous people were getting. Now you have to create drama to keep things from being truly repetitive, but coming up with new things that change the industry takes too much weekly vacation money from too many top-level C*Os for a year to justify it.
It's about time judges start to see these campaigns as the mass extortion cases that they are. If this was being done by anyone else there would have been RICO charges filed long ago. These cases have nothing to do with preserving copyright and everything to do with extorting the public. A $7500 settlement instead of a $150,000 for a $10 movie, how on earth can this possibly be anything other than sheer extortion?
Let's clear the air and speak honestly to one another (the Industry and the people)...
This is almost just like evolutionary battle. Things have evolved and it is VERY easy to reproduce or copy audio-visual material now. This supposedly causes potential harm or death to one of the parties. It fights back by trying to overrun the other party. Both parties will NOT back down. What happens in evolution when two forms of life are fighting with one another for resources/etc and both don't back down? Usually (and by usually I mean ALWAYS) one party finds a way to adapt before the other. The one that adapts more quickly has the upper hand and the other will die off or adapt with a huge reduction in population.
Saying "Don't copy" is a simple thing - you don't do it or you do it. The party that does refuses to stop.
Saying "We encourage you to adapt with cooler things that encourage us to give you money" is something that seems to drive the other party to continually try and repeat historical processes with a bit of a shift and a lot of fear mongering.
It's interesting how the party that can and SHOULD adapt won't do it because they want to prove they have the longest Johnsons. The other party can easily destroy the Industry by stopping sales. The more the Industry fights the people, the more people realize that they are being attacked and want to defend themselves. Once the line has been crossed, there is only ONE loser possible, and that is the Industry.
It appears that they're trying to get everything that they can before they either adapt or die (as an entity). That or they are literally too stupid to realize the basics of life right in front of their faces. I guess that's possible because they're "on a Mission" now. Once you've started your Mission, rarely do you realize and admit that your actions are ensured to fail and change your M.O.
The Industry is on a Mission, and its end is either a peace agreement (in this case, new awesome material that people want to pay for) or self-destruction. I am just amused to watch it every day. I hope either end is reached in my lifetime so I can smile and either admit that Humans do have the ability and desire to adapt or that Human intelligence is nothing but white noise in the grand scheme of life. Either way is a smile.:)
Just? If Apple can decrypt your phone, they're not doing encryption right.
Amen to that. I can't wait for Anonymous to get their hands on Apple's Master Key.
Humorous side note; if the stealing of the master key didn't apply legally, I can next see little strip mall and hole-in-the-wall joints popping up everywhere with ads to "Spy on your lover's life" or "Get what is rightfully yours". Heh.
U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte plans on conducting "...a comprehensive review of US copyright law over the coming months."
Guess he needs some money. Who knows where it will suddenly spring up from? Oh, my! The suspense!!
But but but... This one will revolutionize the world...... inside a person's head..... for a couple of seconds...... while they're trying to figure out its relevance and get a headache hey wait where's the ice cream and hard liquor?
That's totally worth destroying the soil, right?/sarcasm
"Home Movies". Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Know what I mean? Say no more, say no more. "Home Movies" eh? Are you keen on videos? Eh? Eh? Got any videos of your wife naked in your "Home Movies"? Like to buy some?
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The question is how do you accurately value a company with an unproven business model and no clear profit lines? Also considering that this company has had a whole legion of predecessors who had the same idea, but failed for one reason or another to become profitable or sustainable.
Because this one has more ads and marketing crap bundled into it. Just my opinion.
So they cracked one drive that shows it contains his personal, private data and also contains child pornography... This isn't enough to convict based on.......?
Do they just want the numbers to look bigger once they convict? I don't get why what they have isn't enough.
Wow, these guys are employing chaps across the world to do the job...
They handle(d) tech support so well that we're giving them grants to monitor safety! This isn't about $$, I assure you!
Feeds from the video camera are transmitted to India, where workers there check to make sure staff are washing their hands.
Offshoring of hand sanitation with soap monitoring... The new little "bubble".
All a nuclear device would do in space is heat it up, pretty rapidly, maybe enough to thermal-stress-fracture it into several pieces, but nevertheless a nuclear weapon in space is not going to blow an asteroid (or anything else) to bits.
Well, we have to play with toys and money to test that and be sure.
Sounds kind of flaky but he's got a $100K grant...
Come on, you gotta let people play with money in ways that are so slim to succeed that they'll need to ask for more to play with. It's how the aste.. err.. WORLD goes 'round.
And also, maybe he'll get to play with a nuke or at least watch during a test. Everyone wants to do it!
:-)
What, you think someone smart enough to design a mission to intercept an asteroid with an impactor and hit that crater with a nuke wouldn't know to take the spin into account?
All this study was doing is working out whether the idea would work, not designing a complete mission profile for a specific asteroid.
You know what you're doing in your comment? It's called assuming. The parent's question is pefectly valid and deserved a damned good discussion!
Don't asteroids usually spin? If you blast a crater on one side, then you have some serious aiming to do to hit the crater?
We have to try SOMETHING, even if it's a disgustingly planned attack almost guaranteed to fail.
News for Nerds?
Nerds now do not like organizations or people that sue others based on things that said person or organization actually does, so yes, it is News for Nerds.
PETA pushes the article's circulation into the stratosphere, via the Streisand effect, effectively shooting themselves in the foot. Congrats, idiots.
That is absolutely NOT true in any way shape or form. Turn yourself in, you defamation pundit! /sarcasm
PETA, through its kill shelters, is responsible for killing more pet animals than any other entity on earth. Their political stance is about gathering money, and nothing else.
RENAME TIME!
PPTA - People for the Profitable Treatment of Animals
So then we should take the typical cost of filing such a lawsuit (including lawyer fees) and multiply it by 750 for each individual they wrongfully included in this lawsuit. That's what they should pay for attempting this bullshit. And then they still need to go back and do it all correctly if they actually want to proceed with the lawsuits.
You know, that is a very logical and smart comment.
I see criminal cases on a daily basis, given my line of work, and you see people getting billed shit-tons of money for a conviction of something awful, but no jail time.
Let's reverse this and try "x Company must prove that the amount they are suing for must be equal or less than the amount of money (SANS legal expenses) that they lost if this individual is guilty. If they cannot prove with 100% iron-clad evidence that the individual being sued performed the act of downloading and sharing their product, and that this sharing actually caused the company to lose sales without any shadow of doubt, the company will lose the amount of the suit multiplied by 1000 as punitive damages to the court and the individual sued. Now go and pick your individual lawsuit candidates well, oh x Company. The future of your paid home groundskeeping costs are on the line.
And, that is relevant to my analogy how?
It got them modded up. Now that's relevance! Psh.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and $10 PER COPY for thousands of copies is not a small claim.
I think you're failing to take into account that "copy" does not define an act as a one-to-many relationship. Copy can be a one-to-one act, but the ending act can be replicated many times. I believe that's called a "branch" relationship or in certain cases a "chain reaction".
What the idiot (and I do mean IDIOT) **AA individuals and their paid minions cover up (if they have the intelligence to even realize it in the first place) is the root point of a copy is not the source of the problem. If there is a problem, it is with each copy act that takes place. It's kind of hard to sue every damned sub copier of material even though it looks like they are beginning to try this with the ISP 6-strikes relationships. Hell, individual suits for individual copies would be suing 12 million people for $10 plus damages. They know the courts would refuse to execute on this, and with certain news articles, it looks like some are just now getting to that point.
I'm not a mathematical expert in any sense, but I do have a very good overall visual-spatial mental processing ability. I try to make the comparison to the "lost profit dollars (and I am not talking about made up shit numbers with projections and other crap nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and verbs tied to it, but ACTUAL HARD NUMBERS) and the amount of money the corporations spend on adaptation, suits, research, punishments, bad flack and its future definitions of assholishness, etc. I look at both of those and do a simple weight in my brain and the loss is astounding in terms of fighting.
It's not anywhere near the level of intelligence we refer to as "rocket science" to understand that there are two simple concepts that have been PROVEN over time with actual death, destruction, multiplication, success, and joy:
1. When you tell people it's wrong to do something that doesn't HARM another person (but it's just defined as "wrong"), it causes people to want to do it more (and Hell, even find more creative ways of doing it just to show you what an idiot you are for trying to stop the processes).
2. When you create something that is awesome that people benefit from but it's too much work to just "do it yourself", they pay and keep paying but complain about it unless new stuff comes out to spice it up a bit.
**AA refuses to evolve or can't afford to. Given their profit margins and the lifestyles of the C*Os, they just refuse to evolve. They want to pull in assloads of money without hardly doing any thinking or work, like they used to do back in the 20th century. It was easy to give a percentage to individuals and groups (bands etc) to make them feel and act rich'n'famous while still pocketing over 200,000% of the money those rich famous people were getting. Now you have to create drama to keep things from being truly repetitive, but coming up with new things that change the industry takes too much weekly vacation money from too many top-level C*Os for a year to justify it.
It's about time judges start to see these campaigns as the mass extortion cases that they are. If this was being done by anyone else there would have been RICO charges filed long ago. These cases have nothing to do with preserving copyright and everything to do with extorting the public. A $7500 settlement instead of a $150,000 for a $10 movie, how on earth can this possibly be anything other than sheer extortion?
Let's clear the air and speak honestly to one another (the Industry and the people)...
This is almost just like evolutionary battle. Things have evolved and it is VERY easy to reproduce or copy audio-visual material now. This supposedly causes potential harm or death to one of the parties. It fights back by trying to overrun the other party. Both parties will NOT back down. What happens in evolution when two forms of life are fighting with one another for resources/etc and both don't back down? Usually (and by usually I mean ALWAYS) one party finds a way to adapt before the other. The one that adapts more quickly has the upper hand and the other will die off or adapt with a huge reduction in population.
Saying "Don't copy" is a simple thing - you don't do it or you do it. The party that does refuses to stop.
Saying "We encourage you to adapt with cooler things that encourage us to give you money" is something that seems to drive the other party to continually try and repeat historical processes with a bit of a shift and a lot of fear mongering.
It's interesting how the party that can and SHOULD adapt won't do it because they want to prove they have the longest Johnsons. The other party can easily destroy the Industry by stopping sales. The more the Industry fights the people, the more people realize that they are being attacked and want to defend themselves. Once the line has been crossed, there is only ONE loser possible, and that is the Industry.
It appears that they're trying to get everything that they can before they either adapt or die (as an entity). That or they are literally too stupid to realize the basics of life right in front of their faces. I guess that's possible because they're "on a Mission" now. Once you've started your Mission, rarely do you realize and admit that your actions are ensured to fail and change your M.O.
The Industry is on a Mission, and its end is either a peace agreement (in this case, new awesome material that people want to pay for) or self-destruction. I am just amused to watch it every day. I hope either end is reached in my lifetime so I can smile and either admit that Humans do have the ability and desire to adapt or that Human intelligence is nothing but white noise in the grand scheme of life. Either way is a smile. :)
They measure in a volcanic area and report raised CO2 levels? Naaaah.. GET OUTTA HERE. Pull the other one.
Just? If Apple can decrypt your phone, they're not doing encryption right.
Amen to that. I can't wait for Anonymous to get their hands on Apple's Master Key.
Humorous side note; if the stealing of the master key didn't apply legally, I can next see little strip mall and hole-in-the-wall joints popping up everywhere with ads to "Spy on your lover's life" or "Get what is rightfully yours". Heh.
And, most importantly, how do you do so without stepping on anybody's feelings?
"You're living in a world of make-believe with flowers and bells and leprechauns and magic frogs with funny little hats."
- Homer Simpson
U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte plans on conducting "...a comprehensive review of US copyright law over the coming months."
Guess he needs some money. Who knows where it will suddenly spring up from? Oh, my! The suspense!!
He killed it, but now we can't investigate because we have no access to the critical data! Rats! RATS!
It's because of toxic trash like this.
But but but... This one will revolutionize the world...... inside a person's head..... for a couple of seconds...... while they're trying to figure out its relevance and get a headache hey wait where's the ice cream and hard liquor?
That's totally worth destroying the soil, right? /sarcasm
"Home Movies". Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Know what I mean? Say no more, say no more. "Home Movies" eh? Are you keen on videos? Eh? Eh? Got any videos of your wife naked in your "Home Movies"? Like to buy some?
Oh, come on that's totally inappropriate.
You torrent that stuff at the office.
inquiring minds want to know.
Let's test it to find out. Just make sure the hosts file name has .iso at the end.
Dude. Take a Valium.
Are you torrenting any?
*snerk*
In this context, I believe legal meant "not illegal". Or "data I own" or "data that nobody will sue my ass off for moving them around"
Oh, so THAT'S why Slashdot has a moderation unit called "Funny". NOW I get it!