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Prototype EU Airplane Spy Cams Watch For Facecrime

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "You can't make stuff like this up. The EU is actually testing a prototype system of cameras in airplanes to monitor passengers' facial expressions in order to detect both terrorism and 'air rage.' The Security of Aircraft in the Future European Environment (SAFEE) project used an Airbus A380 fuselage with six wide-angle cameras to watch for people running or loitering near the cockpit door, as well as a camera in the back of every seat to watch for facecrime like sweating too much, or acting nervous. But that's okay, because the system won't alert anyone until it sees a 'combination of signs,' instead of just one stray expression, or they might accidentally catch a lot of people who are afraid of flying or of being watched."

359 comments

  1. Right, by abolitiontheory · · Score: 5, Insightful

    because perpetrators wouldn't ever be calm or completely resigned to their fate/choice.

    1. Re:Right, by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. I love this theory that someone who is mentally prepared to kill themselves is going to break out in a cold sweat beforehand and give themselves away.

      How many people are going to be labeled as terrorists because their facial expressions show annoyance due to the screaming baby with the ear infection sitting directly behind them?

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    2. Re:Right, by auric_dude · · Score: 1

      How many false positives as people join the Mile High Club?

    3. Re:Right, by abolitiontheory · · Score: 4, Funny
      Exactly. This system is more likely to catch a bunch of nervous kids trying to work up the courage to ask out the cute girl in the next row over, not attack the cockpit for the glory of Allah.

      (No offense to Allah, he probably made the cute girl in the next row.)

    4. Re:Right, by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Funny

      > a camera in the back of every seat to watch for facecrime
      > like sweating too much, or acting nervous

      "Hey, that guy is sweating like a pig. He may be about to leap up and attack!"

      "Nah, look at his wife's hand. He's just joining the Mile High Club."

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    5. Re:Right, by turgid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Silly nervous kids! If they blew themselves up for the glory of Allah, he would guarantee them 72 cute virgin girls all to themselves for eternity in paradise.

      Talking of which, every time Mustafa blows himself up, 72 innocent virgins die, by definition.

    6. Re:Right, by spidercoz · · Score: 3, Funny

      ever wonder why the muslim afterlife is full of virgins? must be the ug-o's

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    7. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      he would guarantee them 72 cute virgin girls all to themselves for eternity in paradise. Nobody ever said that the virgins would be cute. Imagine the surprise when the virgins all turn out to be slashdotters.
    8. Re:Right, by Hoplite3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think it's perfectly reasonable that such a face cam could flag some terrorists, even if it doesn't flag them all. From that limited perspective, it's an effective tool.

      But I think it's shit for two other reasons that often don't enter into the analysis of the buerocrats:

      1) It dehumanizes the passengers. I'm willing to accept some risks so that I'm not monitored by computers. I think many people feel the same.

      2) It will CERTAINLY generate many false positives. Then some functionary will have to check out each false positive. That person's time will be spent tending the bad-face-machine instead of being more intelligent about watching for threats. This sort of thing ultimately makes me less safe.

      And for a good example of (2) in action right now: the liquid and gel restrictions. I was flying to meet some friends for a hiking trip. I checked by big pack, but decided to carry on my daypack since it was just a small backpack like I usually carry-on. But I had previously packed my daypack with usual hiking stuff, including a 3" knife and a tube of sunscreen. When they pulled me aside at the xray, I immediately realized I had inadvertently taken my nice knife to the x-ray ... but my fear was for nothing. They were so worried about my 8 oz tube of sunscreen that they completely missed the knife. I threw out the tube and carried my knife on board. Needless to say, I checked everything on the flight back :)

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    9. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Future European Environment"

      I wonder if this is some codeword for police state ala 1984...

      Almost every day I hear of some draconian affront to privacy underway in the EU, especially in the UK. The reasons given for these measures are weak justifications, usually involving terrorism - a vague threat at best.

      From my vantage, the people could not be in more danger. The wool is slowly being pulled over their eyes and soon everyone will be under surveillance at all times in public. Is that the kind of society that people in the UK want to live in?

    10. Re:Right, by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

      because perpetrators wouldn't ever be calm or completely resigned to their fate/choice.

      And people with a fear of flying wouldn't ever be nervous or agitated.

      Wow, those long wait on the runway are going to get interesting. Will Wesley Snipes' stunt double cut his way in through the roof to take out the guy in 27B/B? I say "on the runway" because presumably that's the only useful time to identify and confront Mr Twitchy, unless the intention is to sound a little chime and ask the passengers to form a lynch mob in flight.

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    11. Re:Right, by wattrlz · · Score: 1

      Does it say anywhere that you get 72 personal virgins? I always figured you'd eventually have to share.

    12. Re:Right, by turgid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Think about it. What's the definition of "virgin?"

    13. Re:Right, by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Allah does not allow defloration of the greeters.

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    14. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ever wonder why the muslim afterlife is full of virgins? must be the ug-o's

      See, I have a theory -- they must be actual virgins in every respect. I imagine the sexual encounters resemble something like this:

      "Your gonna do WHAT? Your gonna put that thing WHERE?"
      "Ouch! Ow! That hurts! Stop that! Ow!"
      "Your done already?"

      See, they think it's paradise but it's actually hell ;)

    15. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be fun over time see what evil faces set off the machine. Especially if it means a hot flight attendant comes to check on you.

      Better yet smile at the hot chick two isles down and have the hot flight attendant "check her out" after getting flagged for making an evil face back at you.

    16. Re:Right, by SBrach · · Score: 1

      In the US we don't have the liquid and gel restrictions any more. I wish we still did. Not because I thought we were any safer, but because everyone was checking their bags and the only things brought on as carry-on were purses and briefcases. Now we are back to a family of fours luggage for a week long vacation in the overhead taking up all the space.

    17. Re:Right, by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      "Nah, look at his wife's hand. He's just joining the Mile High Club."

      And just think, if he can aim his ejaculation properly then the camera won't be much of a problem any more ;)

      (Yeah, I'm going to hell)

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    18. Re:Right, by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

      Or where does it say that the virgins are female, for that matter?

    19. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if his boyfriend under the blanket can pop up and spit accurately.

    20. Re:Right, by D-Cypell · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Nobody ever said that the virgins would be cute. Imagine the surprise when the virgins all turn out to be slashdotters.

      As if the instant +1 mod wasn't reason enough to keep your karma at a suitable level... :)

    21. Re:Right, by Dancindan84 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2) It will CERTAINLY generate many false positives. Then some functionary will have to check out each false positive. That person's time will be spent tending the bad-face-machine instead of being more intelligent about watching for threats. This sort of thing ultimately makes me less safe. Not only that, but it will become "The boy who cried wolf." I can see the false positive rate on this being quite high. After dozens (hundreds?) of false positives and lawsuits from people wrongly harassed etc. it will end up being ignored. Even if it is right occasionally, it won't matter.
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    22. Re:Right, by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Some of them may even grow a beard.

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    23. Re:Right, by Arrawa · · Score: 1

      Who said the virgins are girls... (I always try to imagine the face of a jihad warrior when he discovers his virgins are actually the age old monks of a christian monestry when I hear about another suicide bomber...)

    24. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Fitting Family Guy Clip
      http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=31286061

    25. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nor did they guarantee them to be female

    26. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or where does it say that the virgins are female, for that matter? He's talking about slashdotters. -1, Redundant!
    27. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allah doesn't allow gayness.

    28. Re:Right, by pas256 · · Score: 1

      It's the Thought Police!

    29. Re:Right, by Escogido · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Not only that, but it will become "The boy who cried wolf." I can see the false positive rate on this being quite high. After dozens (hundreds?) of false positives and lawsuits from people wrongly harassed etc. it will end up being ignored. Even if it is right occasionally, it won't matter. Mod parent up.
    30. Re:Right, by UdoKeir · · Score: 1

      The TSA still has those restrictions: http://www.tsa.gov/311/311-carry-ons.shtm

    31. Re:Right, by JerkBoB · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the US we don't have the liquid and gel restrictions any more.

      What are you talking about? For a second, I believed you, but I was skeptical because I flew cross-country last month. Some quick googling brought me to the official TSA security theatre site.

      I fly several times a quarter. Damn you for getting my hopes up.

      As an aside, I was playing the "who's paying attention game" for about half a year before the security people at DIA finally noticed that I had liquids in my carry-on. Seriously... Half a year of flying (maybe 6 short/long flights) before anyone noticed. At my local airport, I've observed the x-ray monkeys chatting with the conveyor belt on and only making cursory glances at best at the monitors.

      Sigh. But gee, I sure do feel safe.

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    32. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody ever said that the 72 cute virgins would even be -girls-

    33. Re:Right, by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      Just to rephrase - it would cost too much to have someone just monitor the cameras, so we build (and pay for) an automated system that sends alerts to someone who now has to investigate false alarms. So instead of paying attention to the real stuff they pay attention to noise. And it's a good investment because it's an automated system and immune to human failings.

      I'm sure this is a solution in search of a problem.

    34. Re:Right, by SBrach · · Score: 1

      You can now bring small quantities of liquids on-board. The intial restriction was no liquids at all. This forced everyone to either check their bag or buy toothpaste, deodorant, etc at their destination. Hence, no one carried their luggage on board because it was now easier to check it and not need to buy anything when they landed. Now you can bring a full set of travel size liquids on board and everyone is back to cramming their full size suitcases in the overhead.

    35. Re:Right, by gregbot9000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      3)It will cost a shit-ton of money and probably not work, requiring huge wads of cash for staff, R&D, Install, replacement and repair. Adding yet another cost to already high air fares, all while making flying less enjoyable, which could also hurt ridership.

      Seriously, just give pilots guns. Save BILLIONS of dollars.

    36. Re:Right, by hairykrishna · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm with Billy Connolly. I'll take 2 dirty slags over 70 virgins ANY day.

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    37. Re:Right, by Kintanon · · Score: 1

      I don't recall any guarantee that they would be girls either....

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    38. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where else are you going to get a bountiful supply from?

    39. Re:Right, by SandwhichMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had the EXACT same thing happen to me a few months ago. Security freaked out about the sunblock, but let me on the plane with a big knife. Go figure.

    40. Re:Right, by itsthebin · · Score: 2

      erm .... or Human

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    41. Re:Right, by michaela · · Score: 1

      Or where does it say that the virgins are female, for that matter? Or human, now that you mention it.
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    42. Re:Right, by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      but because everyone was checking their bags and the only things brought on as carry-on were purses and briefcases. Now we are back to a family of fours luggage for a week long vacation in the overhead taking up all the space.
      And, it's only going to get worse if airlines are going to begin charging for the 1st checked bag. Everyone will try to evade the charge and cram everything into overhead compartments using up the little space there is.

      I know I can't stand dealing with the rush to grab seats. Getting a seat first means you get your bags close to you and that means getting off the plane faster.

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    43. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      72 cute virgin girls all to themselves for eternity in paradise How do they stay virgin for all eternity? wouldn't that imply that Mustafa isn't allowed to touch them. EVER....for ALL ETERNITY?
      Doesn't sound like any kind of paradise to me.
    44. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We KNOW what terrorists look like - they're called MUSLIMS.
      Simple - get ALL muslims out of white countries, and voila - no more terrorism problem.

      Why can't they live in their OWN countries?

      (Cue endless excuses from brainwashed liberal slashdotters who have never actually thought any of this through.)

      Read www.prophetofdoom.net before you answer.

    45. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the idea is that they're virgins when Mustafa gets his hands on them at first (but not for much longer). He gets them all to himself for eternity. So they are unsullied by other men or even infidels. Do they make babies in heaven? I guess not, or there'd be no need to fill it with dead mortals.

    46. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an old Macc Lads song that goes, "Thank god for ugly women, all the boilers, bags and trolls, just so they could get a shag they invented alcohol."

      Muslims don't have alcohol, so they invented the burka.

    47. Re:Right, by saforrest · · Score: 1

      Talking of which, every time Mustafa blows himself up, 72 innocent virgins die, by definition.

      Like kittens, but different!

      Anyway, for all you know, the virgins could have been hanging out in heaven for ages upon ages prior to his arrival.

      I was thinking about how so many virgins ended up in heaven, and the first thought that entered my head was "infant mortality." Now that's just creepy, but then why should dead babies have to remain mewling and puking infants for the rest of their existences? They should be entitled to sentience and some fun as well.

      I never thought of this before, but what does being a virgin in heaven even mean? It's a rather corporeal property, no? And, not having bodies to speak of, do they remain virgins afterward their liaisons with the newly arrived fellow?

    48. Re:Right, by mikael · · Score: 1

      Face recognition software works by process the T shapes area of the face defined by the eyes, nose and mouth. A pair of sunglasses and a beard should make this technology redundant.

      Consequently, anyone looking like a band member of ZZ top must be placed on the suspicious persons lists.

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    49. Re:Right, by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Informative
      This is not about catching the followers of Emmanuel Goldstein. The ROI is very poor. No one is spending this money to make YOU safer - but rather to make you more CONTROLLED.

      The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.
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    50. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it you haven't seen "The Kite Runner"

    51. Re:Right, by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Arabic is a mostly-gendered language. The word used for the virgins is feminine.

    52. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be worse ... what if the prize was 72 Virginians?

    53. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      72 fat, ugly virgins. With PMS. All day, every day. Wait! That red-faced guy has horns, and a tail, and cloven feet! This isn't paradise!

    54. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it you haven't seen "The Kite Runner"

      No, but Allah's followers will make sure his laws and wishes are upheld by stoning the gays to death, or crushing them under a wall which is pushed over.

    55. Re:Right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, the slashdotters all turn out to be virgins!

    56. Re:Right, by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Silly nervous kids! If they blew themselves up for the glory of Allah, he would guarantee them 72 cute virgin girls all to themselves for eternity in paradise.

      And they'll stay virgins for all eternity too. The more cynical amongst us might draw some rather unflattering conclusions about the people who are willing to kill themselves just to take a bunch of innocent bystanders with them from that.

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    57. Re:Right, by mpe · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I love this theory that someone who is mentally prepared to kill themselves is going to break out in a cold sweat beforehand and give themselves away.

      Consider also that all the tests are likely to have been performed using actors. Even the daftest of terrorists is likely to realise that this test setup is not a real plane.

      How many people are going to be labeled as terrorists because their facial expressions show annoyance due to the screaming baby with the ear infection sitting directly behind them?

      Giving how rare actual terrorists are it's likely that any hit will be a "false positive". That's even before factoring in that most terrorists would only consider a plane to be a means of transport in the first place...

    58. Re:Right, by mpe · · Score: 1

      This is not about catching the followers of Emmanuel Goldstein.

      There's always his brother "Osama Goldstein" or cousin "Emmanuel Bin Laden"...

    59. Re:Right, by mpe · · Score: 1

      It will cost a shit-ton of money and probably not work, requiring huge wads of cash for staff, R&D, Install, replacement and repair.

      The fitting cost is going to be especially high on a plane not scheduled for a full refit of the cabin. After fitting it's going to increase fuel consumption both due to the power needed to run it and increasing the weight of the plane.

    60. Re:Right, by mpe · · Score: 1

      Now you can bring a full set of travel size liquids on board and everyone is back to cramming their full size suitcases in the overhead.

      The obvious solution to this is for airlines to charge passengers for luggage over a certain size taken into the cabin.

    61. Re:Right, by alphafoo · · Score: 1

      What is the word you're thinking of?

      I know of three words for virgin in Arabic, and they are actually all masculine nouns: bikr, batool, 3thraa'. (Still cannot submit Arabic characters on Slashdot, in 2008.)

      On the other hand, the Arabic word for caliph is feminine (i.e., ends in a taa' marbuTa) but refers, of course, to a man.

    62. Re:Right, by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      I believe that the word used to refer to the 72 virgins is "houri". 72 "houri"s.

      Sorry, I don't really speak Arabic. I just Wiki'd this issue once, and found that the word used was used in its feminine form. Maybe I'm wrong?

    63. Re:Right, by alphafoo · · Score: 1

      Didn't know that one! Yes, I see the singular is Huriya and is indeed feminine. And it's a more accurate noun than the three masculine ones I referenced, since it refers to an actual virgin of paradise, versus, say, a Slashdotter.

      Alf shukr wa shukr!

    64. Re:Right, by mstahl · · Score: 1

      They should replace the no smoking light that's next to the "fasten seatbelts" light with a "form lynchmob now" light. Everybody's pretty clear on the fact that there's no smoking on american (and most other countries') flights nowadays I think.

  2. white out by xzvf · · Score: 1

    guess I have a use for all those old 3oz bottles of white out now.

    1. Re:white out by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whiting out your face won't make a difference, I'd go with the old trusty tinfoil hat.

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    2. Re:white out by Flamora · · Score: 1

      Might be careful with that; I think 3 ounces is more than the allowed amount of liquids on a airline nowadays.

    3. Re:white out by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny
      Nobody has said anything about duct tape. Just a wee little bit on the lens and - privacy!

      "No maam, I don't know how that tape got there, maybe someone was trying to fix something.

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    4. Re:white out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a small tube of vaseline

    5. Re:white out by Gewalt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tell her Richard Dean Anderson is aboard, and the landing gear is better than ever.

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    6. Re:white out by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      Nobody has said anything about duct tape. Just a wee little bit on the lens and - privacy!

      no no no, that's what the jelly or jam is for. its NOT meant for consumption. eat the scone, if you must; but use the jam for its true intended purpose.

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    7. Re:white out by SBrach · · Score: 2, Funny

      Raspberry!!

    8. Re:white out by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      I'd go with a tinfoil cap.

      a lens cap.

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    9. Re:white out by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Gum will be the next thing banned after these cameras show up. Just start chewing a piece in the concourse, tear off a small bits as you enter the plane and apply to the lenses as you pass and to your own as you stow your carry on luggage overhead. Even once they get it off, I still doubt that the camera will be very useful until it has had a thorough cleaning.

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    10. Re:white out by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Ooooh! Carry some Scotch tape and a piece of paper, perhaps just a 3x5 card, with the airline's logo: "Out of order."

      Easy enough to whip up a few before you leave home and keep 'em in your carry bag.

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    11. Re:white out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody has said anything about duct tape. Just a wee little bit on the lens and - privacy!

      "No maam, I don't know how that tape got there, maybe someone was trying to fix something.

      What about Super Glue on the lens? It's clear enough so it should pass a casual inspection, but it should obscure the image. That's assuming that the Airport Goons will allow you to carry on a 1 ml tube. Or good old Vaseline? A little dab'll do ya (oh wait, that's Brylcream).
  3. How these security cams will actually be used by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The A380 is a long haul aircraft and there isn't a lot to do up front with automated cockpits. So in the interests of "security", the pilots will probably "monitor" the cameras ... keeping a particularly close eye on attractive females. And how long until the first footage of the Mile High Club shows up on YouTube?

    One of my all-time favorite "caught in the act" via webcam was Duncan Grisby using the opensource motion program to catch a burgler in his flat - technical details of his setup.

    Speaking of cams, here is a nifty BirdCam of House Finches - look for baby chicks.

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    1. Re:How these security cams will actually be used by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Sort of how the security guards at one place I worked at (a DoD lab) started using the employee database to look up cute female employees and make personal remarks to them out of the blue or even call them at home.

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    2. Re:How these security cams will actually be used by pthor1231 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially interesting, because what are the pilots going to do if they spot a "terrorist" in flight? Get the flight attendants to tie him up and throw him in cargo storage?

    3. Re:How these security cams will actually be used by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Sure -- if the attendants are armed, no problem.

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    4. Re:How these security cams will actually be used by holywarrior21c · · Score: 1

      So are you suggesting that pilots are to become highly paid security guards but who won't do nothing about protecting us when something happens? Jeez, what about a real guards on minimum wage and get my ticket with getting my wallet less emptied? what about hosting a live reality show on board with commercials so that it lowers price? Thanks to my noise cancelling awesome & kick ass Senheisser headphones i don't care about 33DB of what is happening in the plane so go right ahead please!

    5. Re:How these security cams will actually be used by tuxicle · · Score: 1

      And I can guess who the pilot would be too... giggity giggity... alright!

    6. Re:How these security cams will actually be used by denttford · · Score: 2, Informative
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  4. For fuck sakes... by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    thats all I have to say.

    1. Re:For fuck sakes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You could have made the effort to get it right then. It's not hard, for fuck's sake!

    2. Re:For fuck sakes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. The people responsible for this are not doing it to stop "terrorism". They are doing it to justify installing more cameras to monitor the populace. The real question is, "why?" Does having a population under surveillance make them easier to control?

    3. Re:For fuck sakes... by Totenglocke · · Score: 1
      "Does having a population under surveillance make them easier to control?"

      Yes, actually, it does because it allows them to keep track of the "trouble makers" who dare to think for themselves and then those trouble makers can be dealt with easily. Once the people saying "think for yourself" are gone, the idiots will be much easier to control.

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    4. Re:For fuck sakes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suggestion: next time, say "for fuck's sake". I'm guessing it's a variation on "for God's sake".

    5. Re:For fuck sakes... by mikael · · Score: 1

      In the UK, the usual reason is that the political party in power is getting donations from the directors of the technology companies (usually in the home counties) that benefit from these contracts.

      I believe the USA has invent several terms for such events, "boondoggle" and "pork barrel politics".

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  5. not a frequent flyer... but by butterflysrage · · Score: 1

    aren't most airplane washrooms near the front and back of the plane? Last thing I want is to get busted as a "TERRRRIST!" just because I was in line to pee and they are both full

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    1. Re:not a frequent flyer... but by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      They actually have rules now about how many people at a time are allowed to wait for the toilet, especially the one near the cockpit. So right now you might get a flight attendant asking you to sit back down, anyhow.

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    2. Re:not a frequent flyer... but by turgid · · Score: 1

      Maybe each seat could have a built-in toilet?

    3. Re:not a frequent flyer... but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, at the airport you have to wait for hours in lines...get a body cavity search...then board a plane where they pack you in like cattle so you can't move in the seat...and now they don't let you piss. Why do people fly on these planes anymore? There has got to be a better way.

    4. Re:not a frequent flyer... but by mikael · · Score: 1

      Solar powered zeppelins - might be a bit slower than an airplane, but why hurry :)

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  6. Simple to beat.. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Funny

    Find what makes it tick and have as many people do "facecrime" or whatever gobbledygook they call it. 30 people doing something weird (not illegal and not evil) would do some funny things on an airplane.

    I'm thinking of something like that Improv group in New York City and their shenanigans.

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    1. Re:Simple to beat.. by butterflysrage · · Score: 1

      thing is, it likely would be illegal... they would likely make it fall under the "making a terrorist threat" clause similar to saying you put a bomb on the plane.

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    2. Re:Simple to beat.. by mapsjanhere · · Score: 1

      hmm, so trying to pop that annoying pimple and spilling my beer over it becomes a terrorist activity?

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    3. Re:Simple to beat.. by mazarin5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would be Improv Everywhere

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    4. Re:Simple to beat.. by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      Even easier to beat, hello mr high tech security cam, allow me to introduce you to mr chewing gum.

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    5. Re:Simple to beat.. by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      ...... And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both f****** and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

      And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the guitar......

      Alice's Restaurant Massacree

    6. Re:Simple to beat.. by rgriff59 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me reframe this line of thought in a way which isn't quite so funny.

      One member of a dedicated and well trained team is tasked with being 'nervous.' He fidgets, he twitches, pulls out a holy book and begins chanting prayers for courage and wisdom. The plane's security complement arrives at his seat, while the other team members, having now identified, quantified, distracted and virtually cornered the opposition calmly make their move.

      Brilliant!

    7. Re:Simple to beat.. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      I was thinking on the lines of identifying the security detail by performing said actions, but I'd rather make a joke of them than hurt them.

      Like after said Target Prayer is surrounded, have 20-30 people say "If this were not a drill, we have identified all security personnel. Fortunately, we are Jokester Group $name."

      Better safety precautions when on a 300 person missile is usually a better thing. Crap like facecrime is just criminally stupid because it really tells no information.

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    8. Re:Simple to beat.. by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      Try doing that to the smoke detector in the lavatory...

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  7. In other news... by AltGrendel · · Score: 1

    Sales of Sharpies and other black magic markers that can be used to black out airplane seat cameras increased in the EU today.

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    1. Re:In other news... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sales of Sharpies and other black magic markers that can be used to black out airplane seat cameras increased in the EU today.

      Well, unless you carefully black out the camera before you sit, they'll have a picture of your face. Since the airline knows who was sitting in a seat, they know who you are anyway. If cameras start dropping off-line, and if they're monitored in real time, don't you think someone will notice?

      Do you really not think that it will be a criminal offense to tamper with the airline safety system? And, clearly, people with good intentions would never do such a thing, so they'll presume you had bad intentions from the start.

      I simply can't believe that they'd neither catch your nor fail to charge you with something. I'm not in favor of being on camera while in flight (I think it's an appalling idea), but I don't imagine the powers that be will react nicely to people mucking about with their security toys.

      People seriously pondering something like this should accept the fact that their principled stand might find themselves in some trouble.

      Cheers
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    2. Re:In other news... by jcwren · · Score: 1

      We could all wear Richard Nixon masks...

    3. Re:In other news... by hacker · · Score: 1

      Do you really not think that it will be a criminal offense to tamper with the airline safety system? And, clearly, people with good intentions would never do such a thing, so they'll presume you had bad intentions from the start.

      My boarding would look like this:

      1. Grab my printed boarding pass and baggage
      2. Board the plane
      3. Find my seat
      4. Look at the seat back
      5. Observe the camera there
      6. Gather my bags and other items
      7. Demand to be let off the plane.

        If 1/2 of every flight began doing this, you can bet they'd change the rules (or they'd hide the cameras elsewhere, like they do behind the CRT monitor glass at the ATM machines now)

    4. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
      Edmund Burke

    5. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well you could always just draw a beard and bushy eyebrows on the camera lens, so everyone who sits there looks like osama

    6. Re:In other news... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Demand to be let off the plane.

      If 1/2 of every flight began doing this, you can bet they'd change the rules (or they'd hide the cameras elsewhere, like they do behind the CRT monitor glass at the ATM machines now)

      For starters, I can't imagine you could get half of the people on an A380 to stir up that kind of shit. It's a big plane, and most people aren't that politically concerned.

      I have no idea if you can easily request to be let off the plane or not. There are very strict rules to ensure that you can't have checked baggage that flies when you don't. They could conceivably have to empty the cargo hold to find your bag. If you kick up too big of a stink, well, disruptive passengers get arrested and can get fined for flight disruptions.

      Activism is good. I'm sure someone will do the kinds of things you're suggesting -- I'm just saying, once you start messing about in airports/planes, you enter into a whole new level of ways to get into trouble.

      Don't undertake such acts without seriously thinking if that is the best way to achieve your point and not end up in some serious legal troubles. The consequences could be well beyond what you're prepared to deal with.

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    7. Re:In other news... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
      Edmund Burke

      I'm not saying do nothing. I'm saying pick your venue and what you do.

      Getting yourself arrested and kicking up a stink might help them say "See, the system is working, we found a crazy person already who had planned to disrupt the flight".

      There's a huge gap between doing nothing, and doing something stupid which won't actually help what you're trying to do.

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    8. Re:In other news... by Akira99ex · · Score: 1

      but do u think that 1/2 of the people would do that? they would just accept it like the sheep that they are. there are fewer people in this world that care about their rights and privacy than u would imagine

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    9. Re:In other news... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People seriously pondering something like this should accept the fact that their principled stand might find themselves in some trouble.

      some 200+ years ago, some yanks threw some tea into the water. I think they caught hell for it, too. but in the long run, everyone was better off.

      some indian guy, in our century, also did something disobedient. I seem to remember its outcome was positive even though individuals did catch some hell for it, in the short run.

      is our freedom to NOT be watched every damned minute of our lives not worth fighting for? I'm starting to wonder, what IS worth fighting for, then?

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    10. Re:In other news... by FiestaFan · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, but a lot of tickets are non-refundable. How many times can you afford to change planes?

    11. Re:In other news... by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      No, Guy Fawkes masks http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/.

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    12. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Do you really not think that it will be a criminal offense to tamper with the airline safety system? And, clearly, people with good intentions would never do such a thing, so they'll presume you had bad intentions from the start."

      Fine. I'll just wear a ski mask.

    13. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, just innocently hang your jacket on the seatback in front of you. Problem solved in a non-destructive, entirely plausible, and defensible way.

    14. Re:In other news... by Tiber · · Score: 1

      /var/log/apache2....

      oops. :(

    15. Re:In other news... by cliffski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      easier solution:

      Don't Fly.

      Flying is noisy, uncomfortable, irritating, you get overcharged, patronised, lied to and sometimes they lose your luggage. you get delayed, people try to sell you lottery tickets and alcohol (on a plane ffs). The food is inedible. the seating is awkward and has no legroom.
      Plus it fucks up the environment.

      Sleeper Trains FTW.

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    16. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheep graze in their own fields. Sheep generally don't fly. So "ur" saying "u" "r" just going "2" stay entirely off planes if this happens and never stop grazing in Fargo, or Topeka, or wherever "u" live right now? "ur" going "2" drive whenever "u" want "2" go "2", say, New York or San Francisco?

      Just like all the other privacy nuts. All knee-jerk, follow-the-leader activism. Baa baa.

    17. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People seriously pondering something like this should accept the fact that their principled stand might find themselves in some trouble.

      Freedom isn't free, my friend.

    18. Re:In other news... by hacker · · Score: 1

      easier solution:

      Don't Fly.

      I don't anymore. I commute 275 miles a day... via Amtrak. Of course Bush and McCain are trying to shut down Amtrak nationwide to get more people using oil again, but we'll see what happens there.

      Plus it fucks up the environment.

      Actually, NOT flying also fucks up the environment. There's scientific evidence out there showing that the contrails provide a lot of protection from higher levels of dangerous radiation hitting the surface of the planet and contributing to global warming. If all of the planes stopped flying, our ecology would be very negatively affected.

    19. Re:In other news... by michaela · · Score: 1

      Do you really not think that it will be a criminal offense to tamper with the airline safety system? And, clearly, people with good intentions would never do such a thing, so they'll presume you had bad intentions from the start. It already is. You know that part about the smoke detectors in the lav and breaking them so you can smoke? "Tampering with airline safety equipment is a federal offense punishable by..."
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    20. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more reason to start wearing these:

      IR LED hats

      (of course, they'll make you turn it off during taxi/takeoff/landing)

      Maybe use mirrors to direct sunlight into the camera?

      I think I'll stick with a ski mask :)

    21. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      f cameras start dropping off-line, and if they're monitored in real time, don't you think someone will notice? I hope they do notice in real-time, because that will be a second good result. Not only will the post-it note prevent the intrusive "facecrime" monitoring in the first place, but my displeasure with the affront will be noticed immediately and not after-the-fact, *maybe*, and more than simply as some statistic.

      Do you really not think that it will be a criminal offense to tamper with the airline safety system? I share your cynicism, but the legality of an act does not affect the morality of the act. It is illegal in many places to denounce the local government, for example.

      ...I don't imagine the powers that be will react nicely to people mucking about with their security toys. The powers that be are in the wrong. We can muck with impunity.

      People seriously pondering something like this should accept the fact that their principled stand might find themselves in some trouble. Feel free to submit to any authority you like, no matter how unreasonable you find it; that is your prerogative. Others will cover the camera with a post-it note, and defend this reasonable action in court if some fear-mongering lawmakers are unreasonable about it.

      For everyone, there is some threshold of governmental stupidity beyond which they will tolerate no more. For some that might require repeated physical violation, but for others the very quality of stupidity is intolerable. Most are probably closer to the former than the latter, and that explains both why the concept of "sheeple" exists and why it is mocked.
    22. Re:In other news... by hacker · · Score: 1

      Don't undertake such acts without seriously thinking if that is the best way to achieve your point and not end up in some serious legal troubles. The consequences could be well beyond what you're prepared to deal with.

      That attitude is EXACTLY what is causing us to lose our freedoms more and more every single day. Being arrested for standing up for your freedoms and what you believe is right is NEVER wrong. Don't drink the the Kool-Aid being filtered into our water streams, seriously.

      This country was founded by people who stood up for what they believed in, were imprisoned, tortured and in killed for those beliefs. Yet they persisted and gave us the country and freedoms we enjoy to this day.

      Unfortunately given the corrupt political climate in our current administration, these "Patriots" would be labeled as "Terrorists", and flown off to Gitmo before they could influence enough other people to affect real change.

      Remember: Freedom is a muscle. It gets stronger the more you exercise it.

    23. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All knee-jerk, follow-the-leader activism. Baa baa.
      That would be the security nuts. While there probably is some follow the leader mentality with some "privacy nuts", they are far more likely to be able to think for themselves then those who would trade liberty for false sense of security, for no security can be guaranteed. Privacy nuts are more likely to be closer to mountain men or stainless steel rats, who both know that following the leader is rather like being a lemming. They would prefer to take their chances with following their own lead and providing their own security.
    24. Re:In other news... by mikael · · Score: 1

      Tell them that your religion forbids you from being photographed in any way as you believe every time a picture of you is taken, you lose a piece of your soul.

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    25. Re:In other news... by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      I think anyone wearing a Guy Fawkes mask on an airplane would be assumed to be a terrorist by default.

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    26. Re:In other news... by Ma8thew · · Score: 1

      So the obvious solution is to disable the camera in a way which cannot be proved to be deliberate. Accidently covering it by flinging ketchup at it, hanging something in front of it for instance. It's not clear where the cameras would be, but I would assume they'd be some part of the back of seat monitors, easy enough to obscure without looking suspicious.

    27. Re:In other news... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      How the hell did we get into the position where there's such a concept as 'the powers that be' ?

      How did these asshats get to do whatever they like to us; monitor our every move with us all quaking in fear should we wish to live as free people?

      Why do we play along? If we didn't, they're not gonna run the stupid system themselves, are they?

      Of course, they can do this because they take all those societal-outcasts with an axe to grind and 'elevate' them by giving them a crappy uniform and some power. Maybe if our society wasn't so fractured, there'd be no 'them and us' situation so noone would be a 'security' guard and enforce every stupid rule they're told to without thinking.

      It makes me despair that society has reached some dead-end where 'terrorist attack' would actually be a blessing. Something to break up the mindless drivel interspersed with gradual erosion of our freedom to just be. Maybe 'our leaders' secretly know that the 'terrorists' have a far freer society and the people have a better way of life. I mean; it can't be worse than this, can it? Are they coming to rescue us rather than kill us?

      I never thought it would come to this. I'm utterly sick to death of living in the UK. All the land has been grabbed by some asshole, 1400 years before I was even born. They set up some bullshit and blatantly unfair 'legal system' to keep the power where it 'belongs' and we sheep are to suck it up until we die in our inner-city box after paying out of our ass just for the privilege of existing our whole lives. Turn on the radio and what can I hear? Radio four plays a 24-7 rolling American political party propaganda message. The interviewers suddenly blurt out their anti-muslim propaganda in a totally off-topic manner. What the fuck is going on? We're moments away from the society presented in V for Vendetta without the dashing nazi-inspired uniforms. Where will it end?

      Is it just me or does this all suck? Discuss, five words or less.

    28. Re:In other news... by easyTree · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you enter into a whole new level of ways to get into trouble.

      This is the problem. They force all manner of bullshit on us and set up laws to make it illegal to have a low tolerance to their bullshit. Then, the rest of the sheep who don't even notice that there's a problem enforce your punishment. It sucks. I just cannot get across how much it sucks. All of it.
    29. Re:In other news... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      For everyone, there is some threshold of governmental stupidity beyond which they will tolerate no more.

      No, you're mistaken friend. Over 50% of people are like the proverbial frog being boiled alive slowly. Which is the problem. They are quite happy to be part of the machine and believe you are a terrorist for trying to wake them from their dream.
    30. Re:In other news... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Tell them that your religion forbids you from being photographed in any way as you believe every time a picture of you is taken, you lose a piece of your soul.

      "That's fine, sir; as soon as it has all gone, you're eligible for a lucrative career in law, business or politics."

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    31. Re:In other news... by caluml · · Score: 1

      Sleeper Trains FTW. Gah. Narrow minded American, much?
      Do you know what oceans and seas are?
      Sure, I'd think about catching a train from the UK to Buenos Aires if there was one that got there in under a day.
  8. Like flying much? by BWJones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wow, sounds like a sure fire way to keep people from flying. Already flying is becoming too much of a hassle for many people flying for both business and pleasure and the competition will be trains, automobiles and the Internet. Generally speaking flying outside the US has been more pleasant until recently, but I may try and fly even less from here on out both foreign and domestic.

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    1. Re:Like flying much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have not flown since 9/11, and I probably will never fly again.

    2. Re:Like flying much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but that's what the government wants. If it can keep you from being able to travel easily, it can better keep you trapped and under control.

    3. Re:Like flying much? by pablomme · · Score: 5, Funny

      the competition will be trains, automobiles and the Internet Yeah, I too prefer to email myself everywhere these days.
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    4. Re:Like flying much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already finished. If you like seeing the world make the best of the next 12 months. Just a few days ago the UK government proffered "The era of cheap flights is over". Rising fuel costs are killing the airlines right now. Nobody dares to admit just how catastophic the decline really is. There's no electric alternative to the energy needed for flight so even after we build nuclear power stations, electric cars and trains, airplanes will still die out. It will take decades to (re)build the rail infrastructure in the USA (Europe already has a good alternative).

      Anyone who has large beach front property, right now you should be studying hospitality and catering because domestic tourism is going to be the business of the future.

      As for the airlines, we killed them. We actively destroyed the economy, freedom and culture in which international travel prospered. Perhaps this is a stage where the forces of globalisation turn about, maybe it's time for a retreat to nationalistic and insular thinking (great firewall of China etc) because even when you offset the benefit of cheap labor the dominant profit interests cannot sustain the cost of a more connected world.

    5. Re:Like flying much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being watched perpetually is but a small additional inconvenience on top of the dozens of other reasons to hate flying. I don't think people will notice since they spend twice as much time in the airport as in the air. The plane actually has to show up first before you have to worry about Big Brother in your seat...

    6. Re:Like flying much? by Gewalt · · Score: 1

      I have flown once and only once since 9/11. I will never fly again, unless this paranoia shit is completely reversed.

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    7. Re:Like flying much? by OneLeggedNinja · · Score: 1

      Already flying is becoming too much of a hassle for many people flying for both business and pleasure and the competition will be trains, automobiles and the Internet. And you don't think this is coming to the alternatives you mentioned? Trains/subways -- random bag searches are already here. Cars -- your car's computer will rat you out in a second. Internet -- your ISP is already cooperating with the authorities. All of it for your protection, of course.
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    8. Re:Like flying much? by MrMr · · Score: 1

      Flying was never intended for the unwashed masses anyway. In a couple of years only select members of the ruling class will be allowed to board a plane.

    9. Re:Like flying much? by lilomar · · Score: 1

      Ray Kurzweil? Is that you?

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    10. Re:Like flying much? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I too prefer to email myself everywhere these days.

      the fragmentation and out-of-order packet delivery is a REAL BITCH, I'll have to tell you.

      parts of my left arm and my right big toe are still not here yet. harumph!

      no more internets-based travel for me. no more.

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    11. Re:Like flying much? by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Funny

      The whole digitization thing is a pain though. What with all the giant laser dividing you up in cubes and all. Also the spandex uniform you have to wear is not easy on the ego. Though it is pretty cool how the flight attendants worship you like a god and you get inexplicable superpowers.

    12. Re:Like flying much? by FiestaFan · · Score: 1

      ...unless this paranoia shit is completely reversed.

      It's going to be loooong time before that happens. It's been almost 7 years and some people are still convinced the terrorists are a real threat. In the mean time 280,000 people have died on American roads. If we spent a fraction of what we spent on "fighting terrorism" on guard rails we'd save a lot more lives.

    13. Re:Like flying much? by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      The frisbees and bikes are amazing.

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    14. Re:Like flying much? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Wow, sounds like a sure fire way to keep people from flying. Already flying is becoming too much of a hassle for many people flying for both business and pleasure and the competition will be trains, automobiles and the Internet.

      Um, don't you think that's one of the side benefits? Travel of the peasants is always bad in the government's view. You want those peasants to be birthed, grow up, work, and die in about the same place. Letting them travel expands their horizons and gives them a more global view point always a bad idea...

      I don't see trains competing with air craft because they just don't go the same places at the same speeds as aircraft do. It's better to rent a vehicle. The internet is good in that it keeps you at home with the illusion that you are actually traveling else where. Automobiles actually allow individuals to travel else where and back home in reasonable amount of time so they must have as many limits on ownership and driving as possible to keep them away from the peasants.

    15. Re:Like flying much? by Kiralan · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I too prefer to email myself everywhere these days. the fragmentation and out-of-order packet delivery is a REAL BITCH, I'll have to tell you. parts of my left arm and my right big toe are still not here yet. harumph!

      And whatever you do, watch out for the RST packets. No telling where they will strike!

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    16. Re:Like flying much? by bloodninja · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, I too prefer to email myself everywhere these days. MIME type: mammal
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    17. Re:Like flying much? by hurfy · · Score: 1

      You should have read the instructions closer....it says not to use a comcast address !

      And this camera idea is even funnier :(
      Talk about useless...oh wait, we are...

    18. Re:Like flying much? by pablomme · · Score: 1

      And virus scanners? I always end up with my buttocks in quarantine. "Potential source of spam", they say. Bastards.

      But I prefer that to airport security in any case..

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    19. Re:Like flying much? by pablomme · · Score: 1

      No, it's Jobe Smith. Feel free to freak out when your phone rings.. now!

      MUHAHAHA

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    20. Re:Like flying much? by lilomar · · Score: 1

      ...Waiting.

      Jobe? Did you forget about me? That's the third time this month man!

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    21. Re:Like flying much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, sounds like a sure fire way to keep people from flying. Already flying is becoming too much of a hassle for many people flying for both business and pleasure and the competition will be trains, automobiles and the Internet. Generally speaking flying outside the US has been more pleasant until recently, but I may try and fly even less from here on out both foreign and domestic. This is the same effect rebates have, make people jump through enough hoops, and a certain percentage of eligible customers won't get the rebate. This is also the same principle behind "Voter I.D." being pushed by republicans.

  9. Being watched is good for you by l2718 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, we all realize it's very important for everyone (especially young children) to learn that being watched at all places and all times is normal and important for the functioning of civilizations. Airplane cabins are a convenient place to start since some people are sufficiently scared of flying to accept surveilance there.

    1. Re:Being watched is good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish I could mod your post insightful instead of troll... because it is very true. Other examples are tagging children in schools..

    2. Re:Being watched is good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is not not possible that this was sarcasm, without the usual tag? I call bad mod.

    3. Re:Being watched is good for you by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      plus, well, they're starting to run out of things to DO for security theater.

      just like wallstreet, the 'security' has to keep increasing or the 'investors' get edgy.

      have you seen security theater go DOWN at all? I haven't. I've only seen rights go away, not any of them come back.

      its slow-cooking of the frog (or lobster) but its also despairation since there's little they have NOT already done 'for show'.

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    4. Re:Being watched is good for you by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Would you put it past some of the security contractors to stage a "terrorist" (who conveniently escapes, so there's no messy trial for facts to come out at) to demonstrate the "need" for even more security theatre??

      If I can think of it, surely they can as well...

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    5. Re:Being watched is good for you by Reziac · · Score: 1

      "...some people are sufficiently scared of flying to accept surveilance there"

      That's an awfully good point. When you already have nervousness it's easy to turn it into outright fear, and from there to the demand for protection. And once the fear/protection cycle is the norm in one venue, it's real easy for it to leak into other aspects of our lives.

      Would people accept the same sort of security theatre before they're allowed to drive on the public byways? No?? then why should an airplane be any different??

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    6. Re:Being watched is good for you by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      Would you put it past some of the security contractors to stage a "terrorist" (who conveniently escapes, so there's no messy trial for facts to come out at) to demonstrate the "need" for even more security theatre??

      If I can think of it, surely they can as well... Why would they need to escape? Anyone suspected of terrorism is already denied a trial, why would they start having trials now?
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    7. Re:Being watched is good for you by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I meant so that the "staged" aspect of any such incident didn't come out. This would be a FAKED "terrorist" as advertising. If you don't catch 'em, you can't ask 'em who hired 'em.

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    8. Re:Being watched is good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we all realize it's very important for everyone (especially young children) to learn that being watched at all places and all times is normal and important for the functioning of civilizations. please for the love of god tell me that was sarcasm.... some peoples kids are so fucked up nowadays you might actually believe that...
    9. Re:Being watched is good for you by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Would you put it past some of the security contractors to stage a "terrorist" (who conveniently escapes, so there's no messy trial for facts to come out at) to demonstrate the "need" for even more security theatre??

      If I can think of it, surely they can as well...

      If you'd have posted this pre-911, you'd have deserved a +5 insightful. As it is, simply regurgitating the two towers / hunt for the elusive pimpernel^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HBin Laden story only deserves a +1 :D
    10. Re:Being watched is good for you by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Shame on me :) Tho I don't believe there was any 9/11 conspiracy among our Glorious Leaders. As to what unscrupulous security-theatre startups are willing to do when they see people becoming annoyed rather than more-fearful... that's another matter, and 9/11 simply gave opportunity to snake-oil salesmen who otherwise would be on some other, uh, stage.

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    11. Re:Being watched is good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't mind being watched if the watchers were using one of these new privacy algorithms (http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/06/cities-and-corp.html) but the idea that you can catch terrorists by their facial ticks is just plain dumb.

  10. Huh? by wattrlz · · Score: 1

    How does it deal with people who are upset at being watched and have to pee? (there's usually a bathroom up by the cockpit)

    1. Re:Huh? by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      Please don't use the bathroom. If you use the bathroom, the terrorist win.

    2. Re:Huh? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Please don't use the bathroom. If you use the bathroom, the terrorist win.

      Yes, you should just pee in your seat. That'll learn 'em. ;-)

      Cheers
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  11. What about... by johosaphats · · Score: 0

    I'm always angry when I have to fly, mainly because I'm really tall and the seats are really close together. And then some jerk that's 4 feet tall somehow manages to get the exit row and I'm stuck with my knees stuck in the back of the tray table in front of me because the jerk in front of me is too inconsiderate to sit up for a little while.

    1. Re:What about... by Flamora · · Score: 2, Funny

      See, you're a perfect example of the 'air rage' they're trying to stamp out. How dare you be angry about flying coach.

  12. Two questions by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. How much does all of this equipment weigh?

    2. If it detects a terrorist attack, what can anyone do about it while the plane is in the air?

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    1. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will weigh enough to lower the maximum baggage allowed on board per person I'd guess.

      As theere will be flashing lights above the seat the terrorist is sitting on everyone will know him and he'll be TOO nervous to blow himself up.

    2. Re:Two questions by wattrlz · · Score: 1

      1. How much does all of this equipment weigh?

      Probably not too much, but they could always use it as an excuse to lower the amount of luggage one may take on a flight.

      2. If it detects a terrorist attack, what can anyone do about it while the plane is in the air?

      Most terrorist attacks involve people doing something, so if someone looks suspicious you can tie the suspect up and search (and hopefully defuse) his/her belongings. In an extreme case where they find a ticking time bomb with multi-colored wires to cut, (where did that cliche come from, anyway?) a broken vial of some toxin or bio-weapon, or anything else that requires professional assistance they could usually just land the plane.

    3. Re:Two questions by Qetu · · Score: 1

      2. If it detects a terrorist attack, what can anyone do about it while the plane is in the air? Easy, we move the skyscrapers out of the way!
    4. Re:Two questions by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      1. How much does all of this equipment weigh?

      Seems like it's a webcam (per passenger) and a computer (only need one. It can do the analysis on a round robin basis if need be). It's not a lot of additional weight to a 300 ton plane.

    5. Re:Two questions by CompMD · · Score: 1

      DINGDINGDING We have a winner!

      This crap has weight, and by adding it to the aircraft, you're asking for recertification. Now, EADS is a very powerful EU company. If the EU wants to go ahead with an unfunded mandate to EADS to implement this system in Airbus aircraft, EADS can give a hearty "blow me" to the EU for trying to cut into their business. As it is, Airbus is beginning manufacturing in the United States because it is cheaper. The EU would put itself at a serious economic disadvantage if Airbus decided to increase its American business and cut European production because of *more* freedom in the US.

    6. Re:Two questions by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Probably not too much, but they could always use it as an excuse to lower the amount of luggage one may take on a flight.
      American Airlines is already trying to reduce how much baggage people bring with them: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fi-american22-2008may22,0,301394.story
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    7. Re:Two questions by Starlet+Monroe · · Score: 1

      2. If it detects a terrorist attack, what can anyone do about it while the plane is in the air?

      Oh, I dunno...drop the cabin pressure precipitously so our hijackers have to decide between passing out and using an oxygen mask...have the stewardesses block access to the cockpit with their handy trolley...have their gun out and be in position if they're part of the cockpit carry program...call the closest tower to warn the ground so we can scramble jets this time...start dumping fuel so the plane can't be used as a missile...put the plane into an uneven roll, which sucks for anyone without a seatbelt...signal the airmarshal if they're on one of the lucky .01% of flights...

      I guess about half of those are things that the hijackers did on Flight 93 when the passengers tried to take it back, and it worked; the passengers couldn't take it back. And there we're talking 20+ people, not 4.

      Don't get me wrong. Facecrime is just another way to measure thoughtcrime; I think it's bullshit, and I won't ride on a plane that has this. I'm already curtailing my travel (I wonder if anyone else is?) because I can't trust Homeland Security. We have full-body scanners at my airport now. Full-body scanners. I used to be afraid of what would happen when the government finally figured out how to tap into the databases at my bank, my phone company, my insurance company...now I'm afraid of what will happen when the private sector figures out how to get information out of the government.

      Shitty.

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    8. Re:Two questions by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      If it detects a terrorist attack, what can anyone do about it while the plane is in the air?
      Well, the next obvious logical step is to mount a small gun right next to the camera, connected to the same system, and automatically controlled... </hopefully-sarcasm>
    9. Re:Two questions by orielbean · · Score: 1

      shoot the plane down. during the 9-11 attacks, the ground people had very little warning that there was more than one hijacking, even after the first plane flew into the WTC. They definitely did not have any assets ready to shoot down the other planes. This would provide a little early warning at least. Not saying this idea is smart, makes sense, and contains more value than the other TSA kabuki, but early warning is useful.

    10. Re:Two questions by SBrach · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually I think .01% is a bit low. .01% would be 250 flights worldwide. After 9/11 the Air Marshall program was expanded to around 6,000 full-time agents. Before 9/11 there were less than 100. They should use the money for these useless programs to increase this number further. I'm confident an Air Marshall can defend a plane much better than a web cam in every seat, they have the most rigourous marksmanship qual. of any federal agency, and if they do their job right the passangers don't know they are on-board.

    11. Re:Two questions by thewiz · · Score: 1

      Here's a third:

      How big of a fee is going to be attached to your airplane ticket to pay for their "security measure"?

      My guess is quite a bit more than a theater ticket.

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    12. Re:Two questions by Starlet+Monroe · · Score: 1

      Man, there was some news story about this recently. Lemme see if I can find it. ...and, here: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/16/griffin.marshal.training/index.html

      Check that out.

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    13. Re:Two questions by SBrach · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but a CNN article with no cited sources is not the best way to argue that Air Marshalls aren't effective. Their only "source" was "former Air Marshalls." I maintain my point that I would prefer the (somewhat) small chance that an Air Marshall is aboard my flight than rely on a system of web cams to stop a terrorist attack. The fact that the Air Marshall doesn't intrude on privacy and create more false positives than real positives only supports my point. How many times have you heard of an Air Marshall taking action in the last 5 years? I can only think of one. Flight 93 shows what even untrained people can do when they resist. If one of those passangers had a gun they may have been able to regain full control of the plane.

    14. Re:Two questions by Starlet+Monroe · · Score: 1

      I'm neither disagreeing with you nor arguing that Air Marshalls are ineffective, just thought you'd find the article interesting, since it's the only place I've even seen a suggestion of how many flights are actually covered. FWIW my LEO friends have heard similar (though not exactly the same) things from friends and trainers who exited the Air Marshall program because of lack of support from the organization. If you ever get the chance to check out how the Israelis train for hijacking situations on a plane, it's pretty impressive to see how they adapated some hand-to-hand techniques for that specific CQB.

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    15. Re:Two questions by SBrach · · Score: 1

      Oh, I would not be surprised if they weren't still receiving the same almost legendary levels of training if they truely did go from around 100 agents to 6000. all I am saying is that I still think someone armed and trained even to the level of your typical leo is the best defense against hijacking we have.

    16. Re:Two questions by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      1. How much does all of this equipment weigh?

      Just enough to add a nice extra expense to your ticket that will scale with fuel costs.

      2. If it detects a terrorist attack, what can anyone do about it while the plane is in the air?

      KABOOM!

      Well, that's if I was in charge. And it'd have nothing to do with whether terrorists were attacking. On the plus side, I wouldn't lie and say it's about terrorists; I'd be perfectly up front with saying it was just for fun.

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    17. Re:Two questions by holywarrior21c · · Score: 1

      1. How much does all of this equipment weigh?
      Excellent question my fellow /.er. Korean Air recently removed wireless internet service from all of its international flights because the device that provides internet is too heavy and spacious and not profitable to have the device on board so they removed the device. I bet it will be removed or won't even be implemented for a long time considering that airlines bitch about rising fuel price and they try to raise the price every possible way by charging us really sneaky. What a bout a mendatory security guard on board on every plane? oh that for sure will cost us!
    18. Re:Two questions by ultranova · · Score: 1

      have the stewardesses block access to the cockpit with their handy trolley...

      Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to just lock the cockpit door ?

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    19. Re:Two questions by mstahl · · Score: 1

      I've always been of the opinion that if a terrorist wants to die for his cause on an airplane, the passengers should make his or her wish come true as quickly as they can then continue the flight as usual.

  13. thought crime by wardk · · Score: 2, Funny

    finally, a way to discover those who are thinking criminal thoughts!

    I bet it even works 5-10% of the time.

    1. Re:thought crime by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      5-10% of the time it works everytime.

    2. Re:thought crime by bencoder · · Score: 1

      Ah, excellent, that's much better. Where do I sign up?

      As an aside, I study at reading university and I cannot stand James Ferryman. While he's excellent at what he does(image analysis & such), I am so so sick of this obsession with terrorism - any potential application is always about how it can help prevent terrorism and crime. Seriously, how much intrusion into our personal lives are we going to take to help prevent the miniscule (comparatively) threat of terrorist attacks.

    3. Re:thought crime by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Seriously, how much intrusion into our personal lives are we going to take to help prevent the miniscule (comparatively) threat of terrorist attacks

      Seven years, three months and five days' worth.
  14. Why the obcession with aircraft? by Ojuicer · · Score: 1

    Although the world does seem to be turning into 1984 in general, we do seem overly obsessed with aircraft and airport security.

    Ok so a successful attack was carried out using a plane, doesn't it seem likely a different attack vector will be chosen, *especially* because of the focus on air travel surveillance.

    1. Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Security is not really the point.

      Slavery is.

    2. Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it's easier to sell a security system that helps protect against a threat people have heard of, than to get people to listen to you about a threat that has not shown up.

    3. Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? by Lurker2288 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even before 9/11 planes have traditionally been high value targets. Originally this was probably because jet travel was regarded as sort of symbolic of the wealthy and privileged (the expression 'jet-set' though perhaps a bit dated, is a product of that mentality). So whatever the specific nature of your complaint, targeting a passenger jet was a way of focusing on high value targets, as opposed to, say, hitting a Greyhound bus.

      Additionally, factor in some of the tactical benefits of an assault on a plane: you automatically have mobility and hostages, which affords you some protection against police or military who might try to intervene. And if your goal is widespread death, crashing or detonating a plane is pretty surefire, compared to a comparable attack on the ground.

      Of course, common sense tells us that if we make planes terrorist-proof, terrorists will just strike elsewhere. There's a diminishing marginal return on airplane security, and products like this facecrime camera are probably WAAAAY out there in terms of cost/benefit.

    4. Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Because many people are afraid of flying. By combining the fear of flying, the fear of an invisible bogey-man (terrorists) and the vivid images from 9/11, they have an "in" to begin the process of getting people used to constant surveillance and control.

      I mean, c'mon -- you don't want them flying another airplane into another skyscraper do you? Think of the children!

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    5. Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Of course, most of the security theater going on now concentrates largely on letting people in or near the plane, but doesn't really pay that much attention to the periphery.

      What of the people who work in the airport at the stores and restraunts? Yes, I know they undergo security, but the threat of familiarity ("Hey Jim. How's the wife? Fine, Bob. You? Oh, don't worry about the knife, I know you,) is big.

      Likewise, there's nothing to stop some jihadist from blowing up an airplane with a shoulder-fired missile on approach or takeoff. Such devices are relatively cheap and easy to acquire, and munitions of similar potency and price have been found (with regularity) coming over the US southern border from Mexico. Who knows how many have gotten through - and, keep in mind, there are many countries in the world which would love to make a profit on their old technologies to buy new.

      The cost of such a device is marginal compared to the travel, planning, and training required for the attacks of 9/11, and the potency - symbolic statement aside - is just as substantial. Can you imagine a dozen such rocket launchers (laser guided, even, not heat) being set off at major metropolitan airports country-wide? That'd be worse than any 12 single hijackers, whether they've got box cutters or submachine guns.

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    6. Re:Why the obcession with aircraft? by kat_skan · · Score: 1

      Of course, common sense tells us that if we make planes terrorist-proof, terrorists will just strike elsewhere.

      Where the large crowd of people are waiting to get through the security checkpoint, for example.

  15. result by polar+red · · Score: 1

    a lot of false positives. I can't imagine they getting a reasonable ratio of true positives to false positives. (and false negatives vs. true negatives.) we're talking about maybe 1 or 2 plane-hijackings per year vs. millions of passengers.

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    1. Re:result by robot_love · · Score: 1

      I think even one hijacking per year is pretty generous. I'd like to see the stats for hijackings/all flights.

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  16. I see alot of gum on camera lenses coming up by tsalmark · · Score: 1

    Vandalism will put a rather swift end to the seat cameras.

    1. Re:I see alot of gum on camera lenses coming up by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      We won't have to resort to that. If they are as reliable as the crappy earphone jacks, half will stop working within a year of deployment.

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  17. Toilets? by the_arrow · · Score: 0, Redundant

    On many airplanes, there is a toilet right next to the cockpit door. What about passengers that really needs to use the toilet, and it's busy? They may act nervous and sweat and behave otherwise unusual.

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    1. Re:Toilets? by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is an answer to that. Whenever you get on a Qantas long haulflight to the US - even though it is an Australian airline flying under the Australian flag - they announce that US regulations prohibit people from congregating in the plane. This includes handing around the toilet waiting to use it. so technically you are already a Bad Person (tm) for doing so. The video surveilance just proves it.

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    2. Re:Toilets? by Hinhule · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they introduce a rule that sweating and acting nervous around the toilets gives you VIP access. To everyone elses relief.

  18. air rage by snarfies · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Would "air rage" be the rage I feel after I've had my laptop and bags rifled through, a full body-cavity search, and after having my toothpaste confiscated and after pouring my water in a big bucket?

    1. Re:air rage by Stanistani · · Score: 2, Funny

      >a full body-cavity search

      This happens to you on a regular basis?

      What the heck are you saying to the nice TSA folks?

    2. Re:air rage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find that asking for a specific agent (yeah, her over there) to inspect my package usually does it.

    3. Re:air rage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      >> a full body-cavity search
      >
      > This happens to you on a regular basis?
      >
      > What the heck are you saying to the nice TSA folks?

      Please ?

    4. Re:air rage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually.

      Air rage would be what top model Naomi Campbell felt when the AB Terminal 5 incompetents at Heathrow lost one of her bags while they were packing it.

      Then they informed her that because they could no longer match her with all her luggage, she was a 'terrorist suspect' and would be ejected from the plane.

      You're right - you can't make this up. I just had a capcha of 'fuming'...

      In other news, I hear they are trying to attach these face cameras to automatic ejector seats...

    5. Re:air rage by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What the heck are you saying to the nice TSA folks?

      I just wish the 'nice tsa folks' would go back to their old jobs. they were certainly skilled enough to inquire if I needed any fries with my order and I was happy with their overall service. why did we need to change that?

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    6. Re:air rage by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Would "air rage" be the rage I feel after I've had my laptop and bags rifled through, a full body-cavity search, and after having my toothpaste confiscated and after pouring my water in a big bucket?

      You left out people using cellphones on the plane, during the whole flight.

    7. Re:air rage by maxume · · Score: 1

      Remember to include the fact that you are paying for all that to happen.

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    8. Re:air rage by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      No, that's "air anxiety". "Air rage" is what you feel after you spot the camera, and keep noticing it glaring at you for several hours of your flight.

    9. Re:air rage by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > What the heck are you saying to the nice TSA folks?

      If I had to guess? "Hello! Nice day, isn't it?"

    10. Re:air rage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People aren't skilled enough for that. If you don't speak spanish, the illegals will fuck up your order every time.

      IllegalAliens.us song:

      Arrrrribbbaa ha ha ha ha!

      Well I got passed by a new Cadillac,
      Had typical mileage, California tags.
      Tried to catch him but you know my Yugo don't go that fast,
      So I pulled into the station where he was pumpin' gas.

      I said "Hey there amigo what you got under the hood?"
      He said "Jes?", so I guess he don't speak English that good.

      Illegals,
      Undocumented people.

      Down at the Piggly Wiggly I was standin' in line,
      There was an army of illegals,
      Just a takin' their time.
      They had two baskets full of groceries and one full of steak,
      Just me and Captain Crunch and they still made us wait.
      I said 'Feedin' all your buddies must hit your wallet hard.'
      "No problemo all my ninos they got welfare cards!"

      Illegals
      "We love America"

      I called up the Congress to see what we could do.
      It said "For Spanish press 1, for English press 2".
      If they wanna live free without payin' the tax,
      We ought to ship 'em overseas and bring our boys back!
      Cuz we're overpopulated with undocumented people,
      They work hard, bless their hearts, but they're still illegal.

      Illegals.
      Arrrrrrriiibba.
      "I LOVE AMERICA! YOWW!"

      Well I've been buildin' houses going on 10 years,
      Showed up for work this mornin'
      Said "You don't work here!"
      He pays them cash under the table and it's half the cost,
      His accountant found a way that he can write it off!

      Now they're brickin' and they're digging,
      Driving new backhoes.
      And they're sendin' my money back to Mexico!
      Danggone illegals, uncertificated people, they'res millions of them!

      I called up the Congress to see what we could do.
      It said "For Spanish press 1, for English press 2".
      If they wanna live free without payin' the tax,
      We ought to ship 'em overseas and bring our boys back!
      Cuz we're overpopulated with undocumented people,
      They work hard, bless their hearts, but they're still illegal.

      Illegals.
      Undocumented people.
      Uninnoculated people.
      Uncertificated people.

      Cha Cha Cha!

    11. Re:air rage by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Um.. who cares? A plane isn't a restaurant. It's a very fast bus. There's two much white noise to hear anyone more than three rows away, anyway.

      Now babies... that noise carries. And for some reason the parents that are uncaring enough to bring a creature on a plane that can't valsalva, are also uncaring enough let the poor buggers spend three hours in a dirty diaper. It's like your own private little Omelas.

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  19. You're kidding, right? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful
    FTFA:

    Other behaviours could include a person nervously touching their face, or sweating excessively.


    Better hope you're not susceptible to airsickness...or overly concerned about making your connecting flight...or mildly allergic to the airline peanuts...or worried that Big Brother might just single you out for having the wrong hair/skin color, or for "suspect behavior", and make an example of you, with no chance of appeal or redress...

    I'm so glad my profession does not require large amounts of air travel...I would have to get another job.
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    1. Re:You're kidding, right? by MarcoG42 · · Score: 1

      While you can't do much about airsickness, you need not worry about the other concerns!

      1)Almost all flights are late or cancelled, so the chances of you missing your flight are significantly reduced.
      2)You don't get peanuts or anything else, for that matter, anymore, unless you're prepared to pay for them.
      3)You're already being watched by everyone else on the flight for having the wrong skin/hair color and for suspect behaviour.

      Also, airlines are increasingly keen on making you pay for your checked baggage. ALL OF IT. I drive whenever I can, now.

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      If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
    2. Re:You're kidding, right? by dkf · · Score: 1

      2)You don't get peanuts or anything else, for that matter, anymore, unless you're prepared to pay for them. Not on long-haul. Mind you, you pay for in the ticket price too.

      I drive whenever I can, now. You drive intercontinental? That's... extreme.
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    3. Re:You're kidding, right? by MrMr · · Score: 1

      No problem, calmly playing with my AK47 and counting my hand-grenades is still ok.

    4. Re:You're kidding, right? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      From TFA...

      It looks for running in the cabin This should catch the kids

      standing near the cockpit for long periods of time This should catch the flight crew and people using the forward bathrooms

      ...person nervously touching their face Should catch the nervous fliers and people with dry skin

      ...or sweating excessively This should catch the other nervous fliers, the over dressed, the over weight, and the folks without working air vents


      God help you if you are a nervous, fat, hyperactive kid who has to use the bathroom.

      --
      It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
    5. Re:You're kidding, right? by MarcoG42 · · Score: 1

      I haven't flown out of the US in about 10 years, when I was living in Kuwait with my father. While there are places that I would love to visit now, I won't fly unless it's necessary. That means no intercontinental travel for me. I guess it's all well and good since Americans appear to be ill-received just about everywhere.

      --
      If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
    6. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My profession requires quite a bit of travel, but they always give me the option of driving and accepting fixed reimbursement for gas. I guess this means I'm driving everywhere now!

      Oh wait, did I say *fixed* reimbursement for gas? Dammit, I guess I'm walking.

  20. I can see it now... by ArcadeX · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sky marshal pulls a gun on me thinking I'm a terrorist just because after two hours of the little bastard behind me screaming and crying and kicking my seat, I finally get the wrong combination of facial expressions when my mp3 player battery dies...

    --
    An I.T. motto in the hands of an idiot is a dangerous thing...
    1. Re:I can see it now... by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      Firing bullets in planes can be dangerous. He'll just taze you, bro!

      --
      ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI
    2. Re:I can see it now... by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Could they use a taser on a plane?!

      I'd think such a device would generate tons of nasty EMF interference. Generating high voltage and then a nice big arc will pretty much output a lot of power on quite a few frequencies.

      Could their be a chance it could screw up navigation or even make the controls on a fly by wire plane act crazy (like pitch all the way up or down, or stop the engines or something equally bad)?

      Mace might work better, or even a nightstick.

      --
      Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
    3. Re:I can see it now... by JamesTheBoilermaker · · Score: 1

      I don't think mace would work so well in an environment with recirculated air.

    4. Re:I can see it now... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I don't think mace would work so well in an environment with recirculated air.

      Good call. Better mace everyone before they board the plane, then strap them into their seats. That way there may be a few false-positives but at least all potential terrorists are caught..
    5. Re:I can see it now... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      The air isn't recirculated. That'd be incredibly expensive due to the extra weight from the O2 canisters and soda lime. Cabin air comes in from a tap in the engines.

      --
      Can you be Even More Awesome?!
  21. can't cover the lens.. by OglinTatas · · Score: 1

    I bet you'll get a felony "attempting to defeat a security device" conviction for blocking the seat-back camera, even inadvertently. Don't keep your face turned to the window either, that's suspicious activity.

    1. Re:can't cover the lens.. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Before you sit down, flop your coat over the back of the seat, as if you don't know of any reason why you shouldn't. If everyone does this, you're all covered.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  22. It's Official by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The EU is actually testing a prototype system of cameras in airplanes to monitor passengers' facial expressions in order to detect both terrorism and 'air rage.'

    A couple of years ago I heard on the BBC World Service that one of Her Majesty's Weapon Labs had developed technology to detect 'passengers wriggling nervously in their seats'. The BBC Interviewer didn't realize the stupidity of what the interviewee was saying.

    So It's official. Our governments have seriously lost it. Lets get rid of the quivering-lipped ninnies who scream 'Fear! Fear! Code Red!' every day when the sun comes up.

  23. Ruh-roh... by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 1

    I better not read /. while I'm on the plane, then. Wouldn't want them thinking that my facial expression due to some troll posting idiot comments was really me wanting to bring the whole show down!

    Seriously... the last time I took a reasonably long flight (4 hours) I had a pretty lasting scowl on my face the entire flight. Why? I was trying to fix a bug in a piece of software I was working on and it had to be resolved before I met the client I was visiting. Sounds like terrorist motives to me!

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  24. Nose Pickers by bxwatso · · Score: 4, Funny

    A camera in every seat back is another example of the government's efforts to identify and then marginalize nose pickers.

    1. Re:Nose Pickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are a nose picker just enjoy yourself It's not your fault if the peeping top gets grossed out.

    2. Re:Nose Pickers by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

      Just pick your nose and put the snot on the camera. Problem fixed.

    3. Re:Nose Pickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent insightful!!!! 70% of the population is kwown to be nose-picking... I sure wouldn't want to be caught doing this (which is why I post as AC ;).

    4. Re:Nose Pickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just fling your product at the camera...

    5. Re:Nose Pickers by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Good idea. But what about the OTHER camera in the seatback, the one designed to catch ass-scratchers??

      Hmm. I have an idea for how to deal with that one too. ;)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  25. Crying babies on flight = Terrorists on flight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazingly it turns out the system finds that there is a high correlation between having one or more screaming babies on a plane and terrorists on the same plane.

    So don't get on a plane if there is a screaming baby in line. The plane is bound to have someone on it the system thinks is a terrorist!

    Dumbest technology ever.

  26. so... by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

    What's stopping anyone from putting a piece of tape in front of the camera?

    You'd better believe i wouldn't let someone spy on me for any reason.

    1. Re:so... by Justin+Hopewell · · Score: 1

      What's stopping anyone from putting a piece of tape in front of the camera? Prison time? Threat of being detained and questioned? Maybe you'll even get a free tour of a remote, unknown concentration camp for suspected terrorists.
    2. Re:so... by turgid · · Score: 1

      So, you're a terrorist! :-)

      /me ducks.

      Seriously, though, someone sweating and shaking because of a cold or influenza might give a false positive. This idea is utterly crazy. Luckily, I very rarely have to fly anywhere, and I only do because it's cheaper and faster than taking the car or the train (got to love UK transport). It's bad enough having to show my passport and take off my shoes to fly from Luton to Aberdeen, but this is insane.

      I'll be videoconferencing for my family holidays I think.

    3. Re:so... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the next "improvment" will be a tazer attachment that will zap anyone who tries to cover the camera.

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      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    4. Re:so... by kent_eh · · Score: 1
      That's Ok.
      I'm planning on opening a kiosk near the airport where I will sell translucent full face masks emblazoned with the slogan

      "What The Fuck Are You Looking At" Problem solved.
      Matching t-shirts also available.
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      "I can't complain, but sometimes still do..." Joe Walsh
    5. Re:so... by MrMr · · Score: 1

      Influenza is not a false positive, it's a bioterrorist attack.

    6. Re:so... by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      You know there comes a time when people are facing jail time or imprisonment for protecting their own privacy and the weapon is a piece of tape that one must say, you know fuck it. I'm willing to fuck with them.

      Enough people get that attitude and you'll see how useless their threats are. Civil disobedience FTW.

    7. Re:so... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      You know there comes a time when people are facing jail time or imprisonment for protecting their own privacy and the weapon is a piece of tape that one must say, you know fuck it. I'm willing to fuck with them.

      Enough people get that attitude and you'll see how useless their threats are. Civil disobedience FTW.

      <megaphone-amplified-voice>hypergreatthing!! back in line!! countermeasures in 5, 4, 3, ..</megaphone-amplified-voice>
    8. Re:so... by Justin+Hopewell · · Score: 1

      I totally appreciate and understand your outlook on it. While I can speak out against the travesty that is quickly becoming an accepted form of government behavior in allegedly free countries, I have to admit to myself that if it came down to me facing charges of suspected terrorism for something as trivial as that, having my reputation ruined, and possibly going to a secret prison or giving in to the system and letting them film me with their circa 1984 lenses, I'd have to go with the latter. As much as I really, honestly wish I could stand up to the system, I know in reality I wouldn't. I feel like the ability for the citizen to change the system is slowly weakening. I'm 26 years old. My generation doesn't seem to have the same kind of willpower to protest and fight the system the way people did, say, during Vietnam. I don't know if its just a matter of us being more willing to accept these kinds of injustices, or if we're just scared of the repercussions. The government seems a lot scarier now than it seems to have been a few decades ago. I feel like the government is the more pressing terrorist threatening our nation, not some dude in the Middle East.

      I know the article is about Europe, but really, places like Britain are only a few inches ahead of us on the road to dystopia.

  27. Have you taken your happy pills? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

    Happiness is mandatory, Citizen!

    Failure to be happy is treason. Treason is punishable by summary execution.

    The Computer says so, and the Computer is your friend.

    =Smidge=

    1. Re:Have you taken your happy pills? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Apparently unlike your AC responder, I have played Paranoia. It's a great role-playing game, especially when the game master has a very evil sense of humor. :)

      --
      I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
  28. Toiletcams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Prototype EU Airplane Toiletcams are next.

    1. Re:Toiletcams by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the cameras will do when the explosive diarrhea hits

  29. The more... by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

    The more we do shit like this, the more the aliens will laugh at us when they land.

    1. Re:The more... by turgid · · Score: 1

      The less likely the aliens are to land lest they be locked up indefinitely as "terrorist threats" or something similar.

    2. Re:The more... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Optimist.

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      Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
    3. Re:The more... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      The more we do shit like this, the easier it will be for the aliens to take over. They'll just need to introduce themselves as being from the TSA, and we'll do whatever they tell us to.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  30. Call the A-Team! by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and move all air travel over to the Mr T model: dope the passengers senseless at the airport, pack the unconscious bodies in like sides of meat and wake 'em up at the destination airport.

    Oh, wait - you wouldn't be able to sell them duty free & Skymall would go out of business. Darn.

    --
    In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
    1. Re:Call the A-Team! by sloth10k · · Score: 1

      There may be worse possible consequences to being conscious while traveling...

  31. Ok! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... So, some sort of Post-It note with a smiley face on the back may be in order.

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    1. Re:Ok! by Guru2Newbie · · Score: 1
      ... So, some sort of Post-It note with a smiley face on the back may be in order.

      Then anyone carrying a Post-It (or a pen and paper, capable of drawing a fake "calm" face) would be labeled a Terrorist.

    2. Re:Ok! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, print a goatse picture and tape that to the camera.

  32. Yay by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

    Oh, great. I have panic attacks on planes, and the one thing that keeps me calm and distracted is playing my DS. So not only do I look nervous, every time I start to get really freaked out I start fiddling with a strange little electronic device! This will not make flying more fun for me.

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    Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid.
  33. Time to save the bail money by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1

    Looks like I'm in trouble the first time they charge my wife for a second suitcase.

  34. This is gonna be awesome by beavis88 · · Score: 1

    I am nervous and sweaty every time I get loaded on to a 20 year old cattle car that has undergone substandard maintenance. And air rage? Well that's just a given these days. Personally, I look forward to saluting my new overlords at Guantanamo (or the EU equivalent) next time I fly.

  35. One of these days... by andrewd18 · · Score: 1

    You know, the EU and friends have been making all of these wonderful monitoring technologies to stop terrorism from happening. One of these days a major terrorist event is going to happen, and there won't be a blamed thing any one of their spycams can do about it. I can only hope they'll realize their "solutions" aren't solving anything... but I'm not too optimistic about that.

    1. Re:One of these days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of these days a major terrorist event is going to happen, and there won't be a blamed thing any one of their spycams can do about it. I can only hope they'll realize their "solutions" aren't solving anything...

      No, they'll decide that they didn't have *enough* surveillence, searches, questioning etc. etc. and do even more of it.

  36. I hate commercial flights by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Funny

    My grandfather was commissioned into the Navy in 1936 as a pilot. My great uncle flew the China Clipper and was a Pan-Am pilot for 30 years. My father is a retired airline pilot with over 20 years. I took flying lessons from when I was 12 to when I was 17 (I was supposed to solo the Saturday following Sept. 11, however that fucked everything up and I never got my lesson).

    I even have some time logged behind the stick of a DASH-8 that my dad snuck me in to ferry between Newport News and Norfolk airports one time when I was 13 (only crew members on board, no "passengers").

    Its not that I don't like flying. However, I **HATE** to fly commercially. The seats are uncomfortable, the air is stale, babies scream, people cough and sneeze, etc.

    I always look pissed off on airlines and in airports, because I usually am. Of course, most of the flights I've taken in the past were as a non-rev and the crew knew my dad, so I was nice to them and they were nice to me, too.

    Frankly, I think the people who **DON'T** look like they're about to kill someone are the ones you need to watch out for. There is probably something wrong with them as they clearly enjoy pain and discomfort.

    1. Re:I hate commercial flights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Even if they made flights bearable the pseudo security theater that goes on just to get to the plane is enough to make you miserable.


      I dread the return from a vacation, not so much because my vacation is over (I'm usually looking forward to being home again by then) but due to the knowledge that the miserable flight back will suck any positive feelings from my vacation right out of me. I'd pay more if it guaranteed me a comfortable seat with only other adults, clean conditins and permission to bring a bottle of water, etc. I'll add it to my list of pipe dreams.

      Frankly, I think the people who **DON'T** look like they're about to kill someone are the ones you need to watch out for. Isn't that the case with most serial killers?
    2. Re:I hate commercial flights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, I think the people who **DON'T** look like they're about to kill someone are the ones you need to watch out for. There is probably something wrong with them as they clearly enjoy pain and discomfort. Worse than that. I'm a masochist, myself (...you insensitive clod!), but even *I* dislike the whole ordeal you have to go through when flying.
  37. In fasist EU... by r2rknot · · Score: 1

    ...you don't watch planes fly, planes watch YOU!

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    "...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."
  38. Why not in the restrooms too by tomkee · · Score: 1

    While they are at it they should install cameras in the restrooms too. After all thats where terrorists typically assemble their weapons before an attack. As an added benefit, you can catch people who do not flush and people trying to join the mile high club.

  39. it could come in handy... by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
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    "MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
  40. solution by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    Feed the live performance of Hocus Pocus by Focus into the system, watch the computer explode.

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  41. An Attempt at Simile... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

    This is like looking for a pin in a stack of needles.

    Do terrorists, even specific types of terrorists, have some sort of uniform, identifiable facial expression right before they attack? I imagine some would be enraged, some would be peaceful, some would be resolute, and some might even be happy.

    1. Re:An Attempt at Simile... by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      Do terrorists, even specific types of terrorists, have some sort of uniform, identifiable facial expression right before they attack? I imagine some would be enraged, some would be peaceful, some would be resolute, and some might even be happy. I expect this is the database they'll be comparing their results against.
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  42. im about to put that company out of bussness by ZivZoolander · · Score: 1

    here is a cheaper easier way to prevent a person form taking over a plan. it may be old school but some times low tech is better... a metal wall dividing the pilots from the passengers. give them a separate "door" to the out side. (not a door to the cabin) Thus making it impossible for them to seize the plane. they might be able to take a hostage at most, but at least a steerable missile(the plane) would be not be in there control.

    1. Re:im about to put that company out of bussness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you are not seriously believing that this is a new idea. Variations are already implemented.

  43. Mile high club by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    There go my chances of joining that club .... what with it looking for unusual expressions and sweaty faces - I would get caught in the act. Drat!

  44. Pretty easy to see what's happened here... by grm_wnr · · Score: 1

    1. Security specialists are worried about poeple doing mischief on planes and want to spot them before something happens.
    2. They tell the airlines they have to watch the passengers better.
    3. Turns out you need actual people for this, who may or may not even be able to spot that casually.
    4. ??? aka Technology fixes everything!
    5. PROFIT (I guess some company will earn a good sum developing this)

  45. They're just testing by ionymous · · Score: 0
    A lot of posters are pointing out all the problems here.

    - false positives
    - privacy concerns
    - accusations of defeating a security device

    But testing a system doesn't mean it's going to become a reality.

    Although it does seem like a waste... because even if technically the system functions perfectly, the public won't accept it.

    And it will just raise prices, for the equipment, monitoring, weight/fuel.

  46. Self learning? by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    So how would you know what to look for. It's not like we know every sign of a terrorist who is just about to blow himself up.

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    Privacy is terrorism.
  47. LOL by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    >sweating too much, or acting nervous

    First time flyers! Shitty for them as they're gonna bet burnt at the stake.

    How many think this is only gonna be used against dark skinned people.

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    1. Re:LOL by hacker · · Score: 1

      How many think this is only gonna be used against dark skinned people.

      You mean like Mexicans?
      American Indians?
      Indians (from India)?
      American Africans?

      I personally think they'll use this against whomever they want to target, and use these cameras as justification for even more monitoring.

      Want to stop drunks from boarding your plane? Check the "[X] Detect inebriated passengers" checkbox on the user interface.

      Want to stop seat hogs? Check the "[X] Detect overweight seat hogs" checkbox on the user interface.

      Crimes aren't stopped now, they are "discovered". You pick a crime and then cherry-pick enough evidence to substantiate your claims.

  48. Mooners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Least we'll know where to go for the world's largest collection of bums (butts) and boobs pictures.

  49. Nothing my up to date spy technology can't beat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to print out a happy-face mask and put it on before boarding.

  50. What face am I making now? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I hope I don't get arrested for that panicky "Oh my god I'm going to explode" face I get when I need to use the bathroom and they are about to take off or the damn cart is blocking the aisle.

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    It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  51. My Ski Mask by DBugger · · Score: 1

    Will come in handy yet again. Or I can just read the newspaper in its full unfolded neighbor annoying glory.

  52. The Panopticon is your friend by Grym · · Score: 1

    Well, we all realize it's very important for everyone (especially young children) to learn that being watched at all places and all times is normal and important for the functioning of civilizations. Airplane cabins are a convenient place to start since some people are sufficiently scared of flying to accept surveilance there.

    Indeed. For the children's sake alone, I think it's best that I compile the list of some helpful tips to best aid all good citizens in this important time of transition from the lawlessness of the past into the new-freedom of the future:

    • While it's important not to make angry or scary faces, it might not be immediately obvious to some that one also needs to avoid any facial expressions or displays of excessive happiness. Such displays might flag you for suspicion of being one of the many evil enemies of the Homeland who are diligently try to avoid our detection methods. In general, a stoic demeanor at all times is best. In fact, having an emotionless facial expression is actually a good opportunity for you to display your patriotism and love of our Glorious Leaders as doing so decreases computing cycles which further helps identify enemies of the state.
    • Traveling overseas for non-party purposes should be avoided as much as possible if not entirely. Ours is the best nation in the world; a place of order, peace, and prosperity. There is no legitimate reason why anyone would need or want anything outside of the Homeland. Interest in other cultures and lands is a misguided, subversive thing.
    • Different is bad. Clothes such as head scarves and turbans are strange and have no place in the homeland. Wearing clothes such as this might delay your trip or be grounds for revoking your passport. In general, traditional jeans and a baseball cap are good a good place to begin when choosing your attire. Those looking for more guidelines for what to wear can always, of course, consult their Citizens Handbook under chapter 12 subsection C.

    Remember, the Panopticon is for your safety. Until we win the war, it's important that all citizens comply fully with these temporary security measures. Criticism of or lack of cooperation with security procedures only serves our enemies. I encourage all of you to post more tips if you can think of them!

    -Grym

    1. Re:The Panopticon is your friend by easyTree · · Score: 1

      In a way it's quite entertaining to live in the time when Orwell's 1984 becomes reality. Who'd have thought it. I was always slightly concerned that some people in positions of power might see 1984 as a warning rather than as "a manual for creating the society of the future" which it so clearly is. Well done to all involved. Dedication to purpose beyond the call of duty. Mission accomplished.

  53. Hang a little passport photo in front of it... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The facial recognition will be happy.

    Seriously though, I get the feeling this is just research, not a real plan (though the "cameras in the isles" is perfectly believable...)

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    1. Re:Hang a little passport photo in front of it... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      Hang a little passport photo in front of it... The facial recognition will be happy.

      Read a magazine with Osama on the front cover and they will be happier.

  54. I suggest a more radical approach by LM741N · · Score: 1

    Lets use the cameras to take the images, then find the seat number of the passenger, then download all of his passport information via the RFID chip.

    I'd really feel safe then. (sarcasm)

  55. Just send the women?... by Taibhsear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, not to sound racist or anything, but wouldn't the terrorist just send their women to blow up the planes then? You know, the ones that cover their faces with veils? Epic fail.

    1. Re:Just send the women?... by sexybomber · · Score: 1

      Do you think that a woman wearing a hijab (the headscarf thing), much less a fraking burqa (the full-body black bag thing), would be allowed anywhere near a commercial jet without a serious amount of searchage?

    2. Re:Just send the women?... by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      Quick answer: Leave it off during security, put it on before boarding. But then they probably wouldn't be very devout muslims and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually want to blow up themselves...

  56. It's why I don't fly anymore by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For one thing, it's insanely expensive. Then there are the fear mongering chimps of the TSA whose sole job it is is to let the public think "the gubbernment is doing something about terrism", as it has been demonstrated more than once that they let all kinds of weapons pass through their systems. And then the indignities of being treated like cattle by the airline staff... It's just not worth it. I read somewhere that by 2020 the IT industry will use more energy than the airline industry, and that doesn't surprise me, as I think there won't be much of an airline industry by 2020.

    Word up: bring a tiny bit of modelling clay in your pocket, and then when you sit down, put it on top of the camera lens.

    Or just sit there and pick your nose for THE ENTIRE FLIGHT.

    RS

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    1. Re:It's why I don't fly anymore by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 1

      Having flown Thai Airways recently, I can safely say that not all airlines treat their customers like cattle. American carriers, however..

      Other alternatives to the "duct tape/Sharpie" solution:

      • Moon the camera. If you're going to get arrested, you may as well go out in (a total lack of) style.
      • Wear a T-shirt or ballcap with "God Bless America" on it.. written in Arabic.
      • Blanket over the head. It worked for Bill Gates for many many years.
      • Wear the darkest sunglasses you can find and constantly look over your shoulder. The best way to control idiots is to keep them busy.
      • Same idea, but with the "Anarchist's Cookbook". Great flight reading.
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    2. Re:It's why I don't fly anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Word up: bring a tiny bit of modelling clay in your pocket Modelling clay, or plastic explosives...?
    3. Re:It's why I don't fly anymore by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Word up: bring a tiny bit of modelling clay in your pocket Modelling clay, or plastic explosives...? Hello? Anybody home? Hello, Mr. Gopher! It's me, Mr. Squirrel. Just a harmless squirrel. Not a plastic explosive or anything. Nothing to be worried about. I'm just here to make your last hours on earth as peaceful as possible. Don't mind this. This is doctor's orders. You don't mind if I just pop in there for a few laughs? That's right. Or in the words of Jean-Paul Sartre: "Au revoir, gopher." This is going to be sweet.
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    4. Re:It's why I don't fly anymore by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Someone got permanently banned from United because of a book in his baggage.

      He was first kicked off the flight and threatened with arrest, even after getting that sorted out, United said he was banned for life with no recourse!

      Now he's got one less overpriced airline he can fly.

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      Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
  57. Typo by Grym · · Score: 1

    I forgot to capitalize "Homeland" in my third tip. This was truly a mistake, and I apologize to any who were offended. I have already self-reported this infraction of Emergency Order 158-F but if anyone else feels compelled to also report this, I understand.

    -Grym

    1. Re:Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, we saw it.
      We will be by shortly.

      --Bureau of Peace, Online Surveillance, Unit #316642

  58. Fear of flying by jps25 · · Score: 1

    And here I thought the US was stupid.
    What about people afraid of flying?
    They tend to sweat more and look anxious and it's rather unlikely that they want the plane to go down.
    Or what about people with an ugly mug like mine?

  59. Facecrime? by blackfrancis75 · · Score: 2, Funny

    is that like, picking your nose?

  60. Can't Wait.... by CaptScarlet22 · · Score: 1

    To play pocket poll on my next flight. Wonder if they can guess what I'm doing...

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  61. Yogi Beware by Cycloid+Torus · · Score: 1

    One yoga exercise could get you in LOTS of trouble. To use yoga in remedy of a sore throat, it is suggested that you, "Inhale deeply, as you exhale, let your body move forwards, open your mouth as wide as you can, push your tongue as far out as you can, and make a sound like a lion." http://berylwhiting.blogs.com/yoga4healthyliving/

    Better not do that.

    --
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  62. This seems like the wrong solution to the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a much more elegant solution, so listen up SAFEE.
    I would think it much more effective to put the cameras in the cockpit, and if there are signs the plane has been taken over by terrorists then
      1) lock the controls in the cockpit so they are useless to the terrorists
      2a) close and lock the cockpit door if its still intact
      2b) gas the terrorists
      3) go on autopilot
      4) alert a pilot on the ground to fly the plane just like they do with the Predator
      5) deploy a welcoming party of authorities and security officials to help the unconscious terrorists off the plane after it lands.

    Now it seems to me this would serve to meet a lot more security objectives. If every plane had this sort of capability it would render airplanes much less a terrorist target, as they couldn't be used in attacks like 9/11. The most a terrorist could hope to achieve would be to blow up the plane in flight, and in todays terrorist environment that is a pretty lame accomplishment. I dare say it might not even deserve martyrdom. That being said, it shouldn't be too improbable to come up with some technology (like explosives screening all luggage) that would eliminate even that security risk. Maybe there is hope we can do a way with the TSA and all that airport screening!

  63. Honestly, stop panicking by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    You really think they're going to respond to hundred of false positives caused by nervous flyers, people anxious about being late, and mildly irritable people? Perhaps they'll actually test it based on typical traveller behaviour rather than making wild guesses. And perhaps they'll use actual sensible precautions such as getting a human to observe any flagged passenger.

    Honestly - I doubt this will work, but I don't expect a lot of privacy crammed with a couple of hundred other people on a plane.

  64. Wait until they use that around the White House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll get arrested as soon as you make a "dangerous" face.
    George Orwell got it right.

  65. Somebody hasn't done the maths... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the number of passenger flights made every year, and think of the number of attempted hijackings every year, and you'll realise that this is yet another measure which will be useless due to the number of false positives, which will overwhelm the few genuine hits.

  66. Never ceases to amaze by ^_^x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow. Sounds like something the "mark of the beast" alarmists would make up. So how long before you're denied any kind of basic service like travel, home ownership, car ownership, etc if you refuse to let them drill a hole in your skull and implant a brainwave monitor?

    No... seriously. You're right to think that sounds absolutely insane, but what security news doesn't in the last 7 years? This kind of reckless Big Brotherism - no, McCarthyism makes me rage. We should work out some ways to stop arresting and punishing innocent people and THEN worry about finding more ways to incriminate them.

  67. Sociopath = calm by gobbo · · Score: 1

    This is either utterly incompetent or more threatening than terrorism. The ones we really have to worry about are pathological, and aren't going to show that craziness outwardly. Ultimately, this isn't based on real risks.

    completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world.

    That's from a typical definition of psychopath. Basically, a skilled liar right down to the subconscious, someone this camera system would never catch.


    Catching actually dangerous sociopaths (rather than, say, annoying jerks) requires sociocultural skills, not geometry. This will just make life more miserable for the decent folk.

  68. constipation by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    I hope noone ever flies while being constipated... that's a sure sign of being a terrorist!

    At least when you're in jail you'll have plenty of volunteers to help break up the clog...

    (yes, I went there.. and I regret it.. but am too lazy to delete it :) )

    --
    "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
  69. Can I get the airport Botox concession? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple quick sticks with a needle before you board and your face will be immobile for the rest of the flight! No suspicious facecrimes from you! And you've never looked younger! Or more embalmed!

  70. Forget whiteout, go Jim Carey on them by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

    If I ever see these things, I'm going to have fun. I'll be sticking out my tongue, blowing up my cheeks, bugging out my eyes, and making any other Jim Carey-ish face I can at them. The ultimate goal, of course, is to get someone to come to my seat and tell me, "Sir, please stop making faces at the camera. Our software can't tell what you're thinking." Win!

  71. Ha by T-Bucket · · Score: 1

    The real reason this won't happen? Weight... Do you have any idea how much a system like that would weigh? Airlines are some of the most greedy and most cost-sensitive businesses in the world. They won't haul around thousands of pounds of surveillance gear for nothing. They'd much rather stick a few more sheep in some more tiny seats and charge them out the ass for everything. Or, better yet, load up an extra thousand pounds of cargo... That being said, if it somehow gets legislated into existance, PLEASE give us access to the feed up front... Do you KNOW how much fun we could have with that from the cockpit? PA: "Will the woman sitting in 13E please turn a little to the right?... niiiiice... thank you"

  72. You might want to consider... by hassanchop · · Score: 1

    People seriously pondering something like this should accept the fact that their principled stand might find themselves in some trouble.


    Funny, that would seem to be true of most "principled stands". That fear may cow you into submission, but I suspect that's not true of most people who would resist.

    Then there's your tacit assumption that the people doing this would be imbeciles. Nothing you said there has any real bearing on how an intelligent, motivated individual would engage in an act of resistance where one of these setups was present.
  73. Smudged, dirtly lenses take really clear pictures by natoochtoniket · · Score: 1

    Nothing to worry about here, at all. The cleaning crew will fix it just fine.

    They way airline cleaning crews work, the lenses of those cameras will be smeared with grease and dirt within just a few flights. If they ever clean them, at all, it will be done by wiping a single greasy dirty cloth across all of the lenses in the whole cabin. With only 15 minutes to de-trash and clean the whole cabin, they probably won't even do that.

    When the pilots do the pre-flight check list, they might notice that some of the cameras are not working. But those cameras are not on the essential equipment list for the airframe, so they won't ground the airplane to get them fixed. They will just take off anyway -- just like they do when a coffee maker doesn't work in the galley.

    The sharp, clear pictures of the grease and dirt smudges will be analyzed by the software. I doubt it will ever identify any terrorists.

  74. Free Market Economy, Yeah!!! by newgalactic · · Score: 1

    Watch me as I demonstrate the power of a free market economy and not fly on any plane that has a camera in every seat-back to watch all of its passengers. I will pay extra to avoid this intrusion on my privacy.
    There, problem corrects itself, business world moves along fine without this horrible idea.
    (Airlines cannot afford to keep their planes fueled and repaired. Do you think their going to pay to install new seats?)

  75. Easy way to be let off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say you're a terrorist when they won't let you go.

    If they say "that's not funny" and STILL won't let you off the plane, demand that they sign a letter saying that you told them about a terrorist and they wouldn't get that terrorist off the plane.

  76. Shit for brains... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CO2 can last a century or two.

    How long does a contrail last?

    Do the maths.

    Sorry for the rude header, but you really did ask for it.

  77. This is crap no matter how you see it by aepervius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "I think it's perfectly reasonable that such a face cam could flag some terrorists, even if it doesn't flag them all. From that limited perspective, it's an effective tool. "

    Due to cheer numbers, the false positive rate will generate more people than the positive identification rate, and that is not even counting the possible false negative rate. To give you an example let us say you have 99.99% effectiveness, that is 0.01% false positive. Out of 1 million pax, this is 100 pax. Now let us say you have a 10% false negative (guy trained to not sweat even knowing he will die) which is quite reasonable. If you have 10 terrorist out of 1 million pax, that means you will have 100 false negative, 9 correct, 1 false negative. And that is even really counted in FAVOR of this system. Knowing the number of pax transported by year, and the potential number of terrorist, I would dare say it is more like 100.000 false positive, 9 correct a false negative. In other word a UTTER money waste.

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    1. Re:This is crap no matter how you see it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bruce Schneier also wrote about this in 2005: http://www.schneier.com/essay-108.html

  78. I've have a novel idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't we have a look at why terrorists do what they do? Perhaps the best way to reduce terrorism is to cut out the shit that leads to "blowback" rather than investing large sums of money in gadgets and boondoggle projects that erode our civil liberties.

    al-Qaeda formerly know as the Mujahadeen was trained by the CIA. I don't know why people are surprised when these projects come home to roost.

  79. Re:Right, They could have monkey arms by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    attached, with a human brain on the monkey arms...

    Really, though. Anybody remember the PSA (I think it was PSA, from around the 80's) commercial with the fun being poked at airlines that charged for going to the toilet? The door latch required EXACT CHANGE, and they guy needing to dump or whiz scampered around (I think he was nearly holding his crotch) asking for change or a dollar....

    Anyone needing to use an occupied toilet will linger near one and probably be sweating..... Who's to monitor these? I now wonder if any of the reason for flight ticket surcharges is because of hold-located, pressurized modules hiding quick reaction/anti-hijack personnel.... or some electronics monitoring site.

    --
    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  80. Happy airlines by sjames · · Score: 1

    Here at Happy Airlines, all of our passengers are shiny happy people OR ELSE!!!

    I wonder what 'fear cam' will make of Tourette's sufferers or people with tardive dyskinesia (great, the last thing a person being treated with neuroleptics needs is for the flight attendants to start acting strange and having whispered conversations about him)

    Suddenly, being ticked off because your "kosher meal" is a stale ham sandwich becomes a federal crime.

    Young man, you stay in your room until you quit making those silly faces!

  81. But how to react? by home-electro.com · · Score: 1

    High number of false positive is unimportant, more importantly is how the crew is supposed to react to to the system flagging someone?

    Do they immediately divert plane to the nearest airport and invite SWAT to escort poor fella out of the to the nearest prison?

    Suppose they send a flight attend. to check him out, then what? If the guy is obviously deranged, you don't need no stinking computer to recognized that. But if it is some subtle stuff, when what they are supposed to do? Handcuff him, just in case?

    Two words: MINORITY REPORT

  82. Its fun being autistic by damburger · · Score: 1

    Apparently my brain Dont Work Right and as a result my kinesthetic responses are way abnormal. If this becomes widespread I'll be harassed so much by airlines I may as well be an Arab.

    --
    If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we shoot people for Apollo-related non-sequiturs?
  83. Re:Smudged, dirtly lenses take really clear pictur by T-Bucket · · Score: 1

    Greeeeaaaat... 87 more big orange stickers on the log-can saying that 100 out of the 146 seatback cameras are deferred. Hell, at my airline they can't even keep the little mechanisms that recline the seats working. I can't imagine maintaining several thousand little cameras will be high on their list of stuff to do.

  84. Time to dig out the Nixon masks! by wwphx · · Score: 1

    Or, if flying in England, Guy Fawkes masks.

    --
    When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
  85. False positives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The rate of false positives would be so ridiculously high its a completly useless project and waist of money.

  86. Same old story, same old song and dance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was young and impressionable (and stupid), I was taught that God always watches everything I do, and everything I think, and on judgement day He would throw every single dirty little detail up on a giant screen and hold me accountable for them. This monitoring was perpetual, missed nothing, and could never be escaped by any means.

    Not only that, but Santa was busy doing the exact same thing, though he applied his judgements (and punishments in the form of restrained altruism) on a yearly basis.

    Having mere mortals set up a few cameras to get in on this monitoring as well seems quite insignificant to a mind thusly prepared.

    In my case, I grew out of this conditioning, but I wonder about a lot of people...

  87. Proof of the unlimited dumbness of people ... by jopet · · Score: 1

    not the ones doing this ... the ones letting it happen to them.

  88. Re:Right - a camera in your face everywhere now on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The device won't "alert" anyone until a combination of triggers are activated, sure,
    but what's to stop the camera/phone from monitoring INDIVIDUALS in assigned seats as they fly?

    Every conversation recorded by the inflight phones in the seat back and sent right to Langley.

    Or wherever. If they can serepticiously flash your cell phone firmware and monitor you,
    this should be even easier on the plane where they control the only access point and network.

    You don't even have to make a call now, just smile for the camera and try not to sweat.
    This is the future of being in public. Great.

  89. so when you are frustrated by museumpeace · · Score: 1

    because the godamn "call flight attendant" button is busted, magically the attendant appears anyway...along with an armed flight marshal. Ah the wonders of technology.

    --
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  90. Anti-Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Uhhh, today I'm actualy more anxious of anti-terrorism than of terrorism.

  91. Beg to differ by robogun · · Score: 1

    I don't see trains competing with air craft because they just don't go the same places at the same speeds as aircraft do.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080525/bs_afp/spaintransportairlinerailtravelcompanyiberia_080525044649

  92. yes it is--- no it'snot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's brilliant, you gave me the perfect idea!

    If you have a nasty cold, it wouldn't be out of line to sneeze a gooey mess of snot onto the lens. Through the blur, no face could be analyzed. To top it off, no one will touch anyone else's germs. Just bring some fake 'snot' in a bottle with you if you don't actually have a cold or flu.

    But be sure you bring it in a bottle small enough get through TSA security.

  93. Orwell was an optimist. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Except in the dark? Oh no, we can see you just fine in the dark. Above a whisper? Heck, we can read your lips with no sound at all. And of course we can hear your slightest whisper as well, even through deafening levels of background noise. And your mail. And everything on your computer. And your bank account. And your medical records. Thought police plugging in randomly? Computers that watch all the time, buddy. If the thought police are needed, they'll be called automatically, no worries. Field of vision? The cameras will be everywhere. Everywhere. They cost but pennies to make now. Just a chip. Beach sand. Lenses made of water. Wireless connections to the network. Everywhere.

    Everything you say, and everywhere you say it, can be used against you. If that's not sufficient, we'll waterboard you until you confess your crimes. You are guilty as soon as we say you are. That's your first principle; your axiom; your raison d'être.

    You gave your liberties up. It was for the children. The 100% surveilled, sexually repressed, mythologically inculcated, minor servants of the state who informed on you for digging that camera-free hole where you could be alone.

    For the children. How noble. Thank you, citizen.

    --
    I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
  94. Useful? by Enigmafan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, we're in mid-air, I take the gun, that I slipped through customs, from wherever I hid it and start walking towards the cockpit.

    What, at this point, is the idea behind the camera?

  95. A use for those inflight magazines by sean4u · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Last time I flew UK-Malaysia on Emirates, I enjoyed the flat panel screen in the headrest in front of me for a few hours, then turned it off to get some sleep. After a couple of hours stopover at Dubai, right when I should have been deepest asleep, we boarded another plane for the rest of the journey. The flat panels could be switched off, but were switched back on every ten minutes or so for advertisements. I tore the cover off the inflight magazine and shoved it into the gap between the screen and the headrest at the top, so that it hung completely over the screen. Bliss! On second thoughts, maybe this new system would interpret my actions as 'fabricating a device to interrupt aeroplane function'. Maybe it's not the right time to add this to instructables.com...

  96. Two answers by sean4u · · Score: 1

    1. Not much

    2. Not much

  97. Bad idea by slider3618 · · Score: 1

    I have not flown much, but I cannot think of a single instance in which the lousy service, late - delayed - cancelled flights, lost luggage or wasted "show up 4 hours early"time have NOT left me feeling, and presumably appearing, enraged. Perhaps they should screen out the happy patrons, as they must be a)under the influence of the drugs they are smuggling b) imagining the joys of revenge c) thinking about getting laid by 72 virgins. Its still better than Greyhound. Not any faster, but the planes don't smell as bad.

  98. word gender != biology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So? The gender of 'penis' in some gendered languages is 'feminine'. I wouldn't take word-gender as a guarantee of biological sex. But then I'm not someone who'd be real trusting about some guy promising me 72 virgins in the afterlife of a polygamous culture that has a systemic shortage of marriageable-age females.

  99. Combination of Signs by AnotherUsername · · Score: 1

    the system won't alert anyone until it sees a 'combination of signs,' instead of just one stray expression, So what if I am nervous about flying(looking around frantically, checking out the wings, to ease my mind about possible gremlins on the the wing),

    and a little kid keeps kicking the back of my seat, causing me frustration, can't he see that I don't like flying already?, and I am getting red-faced and angry

    and the plane is hot, causing me to sweat?

    Am I now a terrorist, since I have a 'combination of signs?'

    Because it seems that in this day and age, everyone is looked at as a terrorist first, and a citizen with rights second. How long will I be held in detention once the plane lands until they finally believe my story, if at all?
    Gremlins on the wing? It was just a kid, anyway. How can you fault a kid? Wasn't I sweating more than one normally would? The flight attendants didn't seem to mind. They seemed to think it was comfortable.
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  100. eardoc for ear infection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed. I love this theory that someone who is mentally prepared to kill themselves is going to break out in a cold sweat beforehand and give themselves away.


    How many people are going to be labeled as terrorists because their facial expressions show annoyance due to the screaming baby with the ear infection sitting directly behind them?

    Indeed. I love this theory that someone who is mentally prepared to kill themselves is going to break out in a cold sweat beforehand and give themselves away.


    How many people are going to be labeled as terrorists because their facial expressions show annoyance due to the screaming baby with the ear infection sitting directly behind them?

    Indeed. I love this theory that someone who is mentally prepared to kill themselves is going to break out in a cold sweat beforehand and give themselves away.


    How many people are going to be labeled as terrorists because their facial expressions show annoyance due to the screaming baby with the ear infection sitting directly behind them?

    the best thing for ear infection is the eardoc.
    it opens the eusthichian tube.
      i love it
    www.eardoc.info
  101. The virgins would be cute but ... by hadaso · · Score: 1

    The virgins would be cute but they would stay virgins. That's their job. And anyway that guys that get these 72 virgins first have to blow up any equipment that can be used to change the virgins' status.