a year or two ago, myself and 150 members of Greenpeace UK staged a protest at sizewell B nuclear power station, of the 150 of us, approx 80 got inside, and some even climbed up onto the reactor itself. We achieved this despite having some people in their seventeis, and some of us dressed in large latex homer simpson outfits. The technology we used was 2 step ladders and some carpet. The total physical security to prevent this (peaceful) demonstration was 2 blokes with helmets and no guns whatsoever. (this is in the UK). This was in borad daylight, and as we entered the site, someone walked into the reception building and told them. This was a peaceful demo. If we had been terrorists, at night with knives or silenced pistols, we would have been in the control room with a backpack full of semtex within 10 minutes. There is ZERO security around UK nuclear facilities. Even after our demo and they said they'd beef security, greenpeace did a similar demo at the SAME SITE a month later and got in again no problem.
the three thousand figure is interesting, because over 3000 people die every year in car accidents on the UKs roads. They arent all rich lawyers, and they don't die live on television, so it seems nothing gets done. Tens of thousands died in one day at bhopal due to incompetence, nothing was done as a result.
Kinda puts into perspective this endless war on terrorism that Bush dreamt up. (BTW didn't Bush's mob FUND terrorists like the taliban a while back???)
This kind of shit is what americans thought happened in nazi germany and stalinist russia. Now it happens in their own country and they don't even care. You wouldn't get me within a hundred miles of the US border these days, too many paranoid nutters in uniforms with guns.
Yup absolutely. I haven't been to the US (and will not go there) since 9/11. I'm a member of greenpeace, which probably marks me as some kind of islamic terrorist to the dimwits running your country right now. All in all, my tourist dollars get spent quite happily in Canada or Europe instead. Nobody wants to be strip searched and fingerprinted as part of their holiday. The US isn't the only holiday destination in the universe. I'd love to see figures for the US tourist industry since 9/11.
well said, and especially true at bullshit companies like EA. The games industry constantly promises huge bonuses and royalties to its staff, then once the game is shipped those same employees are sacked or get a $50 bonus. Its a disaster. Meanwhile the directors park ferraris and jaguars in the reserved parking spaces. The only royalty checks I've seen in 4 years at working for big companies are the ones I get from my little hobby games. Still haven't seen a bonus either.
Nobody try to compare this with the usual p2p IP arguments, this is very different. Firstly nobody NEEDs the new madonna album, Half Life 2 or a copy of photoshop, we can all lvie without it. You NEED food, or we all die within days, its a different kettle of fish tor estrict the ownership of food. Secondly, you ahve to DO something knowingly to get copyrighted material, with seeds, they just blow over your fence. Monsanto are behaving outrageiously, and given the climate of pro-business, sod the consumer in the US, they will probably get away with it.
not only that, these days the react at COMPLETELY THE WRONG COUNTRY, when they kinda 'missed' saudi (where the hijackers came from) and hit iraq by mistake. Guess they were using a wall hack.
Maybe they should fix their old gear before roling out the new fangled crap before theres evena demand? I have a wireless router/adsl modem from belkin which cuts my connection at random intervals. Contrary to what their support claims, a firmware upgrade did diddly squat. My older creative (non wireless) router was 100% reliable. I dont care if this gadget has 40km range and cost $5, I'd never buy anything wth belkin wrrtten on it again.
Im not arguing for extended copyright, far from it, 20 years is more than enough if you ask me, but the problem is people cite such arguments, then go to kazaa or emule and downlaod yesterdays brand new release of photoshop. If you are willing to go on the record and say you only downlaod illegal copies of stuff for things that have been around mroe than 10 years, then go for it, you wont get much of a rant from me. BUT THIS ISN'T WHAT HAPPENS. Someone releases a brand new film/game/app and within 24 hours a full copy is on P2P and being downloaded by thousands of people, probably hundreds of which would have bought it. You want to talk about theft? thats it. I understand and appreciate your arguments entirely, but those arguments are used to justify behaviour that is unconnected. People downlaod photoshop because they can get away with it (for now) not because of a moral stance on copyright terms.
complete bullshit. I make video agmes for a living. If people like you go around copying the products I make and giving them to your friends for free, I sell a LOT less copies. Likely result is that people who would have bought from me don't, and I go out of business. End result, Im on welfare and there are no new games made. Is that what you want? Its time pro-piracy people realsied that not everything they copy is made by some evil corporation. A lot of digital content is made by hard working self-employed guys just like you. What have I done to you that makes you want to wreck MY livelihood?
I wasn't knocking you. I agree that the honours system is a pile of crap. One guy did recently make a big fuss out of turning down an honour, as a protest against the empires support fo slavery. He was a black poet, jamaican maybe? benjamin zephaniyah? Apparently its generally considered bad form to publically turn down an offer, and most people are 'sounded out' about an honour before being officially given one. Thats the point at which most people say no.
this is nonsense. The CEO earns more than the bottom rung guys so you condone stealing the product? way to go dude. Lats I heard General motors CEO earned mroe than the assembly line guys, lets go car jacking huh?
People steal copyrighted digital content because they can and because they think they wont get caught. end of story. If they wouldnt have bought it anway, why the fuck did they waste hours downloading it?
the motive of the cracker is irrelevant. The result is what matters, and the result is that potential customers can get the stuff for free. If the cracker wants to prove he can crack a game, why can't he just crack the exe to display his logo, then crash the game. that way he proves he outwitted the game developer (who is probably 100 times smarter, these guys actually have to write a game as well as the copy protection) and yet no *real* harm is done.
the difference is that guy now lets in 13,000 people from all different ountries, none of which he vaguely knows. So a very minor problem becomes an epidemic. If you ran a burger bar and saw 13000 people charge in and grab burgers without paying wouldnt you be miffed?
Bit of a dodgy argument there. Movies and music are non essentials, a bit like cars in fact. Are you claiming that we should all slap car thieves on the back because it helps keep down the price of a new SUV? These people take movies and games that hundreds of people work on for a living and then basically do their best to fuck up those peoples livelihoods. They are idiots not heros. The guy in the article said it all "Computer science was too difficult". These are people who bascially arent up to the job of creating jack shit, so they take it out on those who can by ripping their work. So just the standard bunch of losers really.
Most people would agree, but HL2 only last what? a few weeks casual play? What do you do then? whait another 15 years for HL3? These games arent hyped, they are released NOW and they have demos (unlike Hl2) which you can try before you buy. Not all indie games are excellent, but some are. I'd rather play Lux than Halo 2 any day. These are games done by 1 or 2 people on a small budget, just like the original civilisation. is that a bad game? Don't fall into the trap of assuming a game isnt good becuase its not in gamespys top 10, I work at a AAA studio in the Uk and run my own indie games as a side business, and I can tell you that the games that feature on magazine covers and web site front pages are the games with million dollar marketing budgets, being a good game doesnt figure at all in such choices. Look outside the mainstream on gametunnel and diygames.com and see what games are out that you DON't hear about. (just filter out the arkanoid cloes).
you dont understand man! hes sticking it to the man! everything should be free man! nobody who works in the entertianment industry actually needs to eat or anything! me and my buddies read a karl marx book and are now teh experts on lfie cant you tell grandad!
Those who have great ideas and are passionate about them need no reward.
Ok fine. tell that to the families of everyone who works at valve, because a dipshit attitude like yours is what encourages people to steal half life 2 and put that company out of business. I guess youd like that?
and dont talk a load of shit about big companies, as if pirates give a fuck about the profitability of a company before they steal it. I guess you clinked champagne glasses the day you found out that looking glass software went under, something that was partly blamed on widespread piracy of their hard work.
Carry on mouthing of this pseudo-communist bullshit if it makes you feel good, but dont kid yourself that you are doing anything other than royally screwing everyone who makes the content that people like you leech.
Sorry but this is nonsense. You talk about a gig of data as though all that matters is how many bits are involved, without any thought for what goes into producng it. Are we now to measure soethings value purely by the amount of data involved? makes the mona lisa seem pretty valuless as a 5meg jpg file... Yes the costs of distribution are now very low, but newsflash! the cost of producing a movie or a video game are now WAY higher than they used to be. Unless you reckon that every coder and artist at companies like Valve (or even small companies like mine) should live on scraps and work for free, your argument is faulty. Downloading stolen(yes stolen) content from p2p does fuck all to encourage artists to produce good content. It does the exact opposite. All it achieves is a little sad teenage thrill for the kids who think they are "sticking it to the man!"
I couldnt agree more. That scumbag should be in some jail in pakistan rotting away for the next thirty years. Some people work really hard to create stuff, then some amoral dickhead comes and steals it. I would make damn sure I got hold of the authorities in pakistan and tracked that son of a bitch down. I know that ain't easy, but hell, this guy is probably scamming someone else right now. Maybe YOUR company is being screwed over by him.
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a year or two ago, myself and 150 members of Greenpeace UK staged a protest at sizewell B nuclear power station, of the 150 of us, approx 80 got inside, and some even climbed up onto the reactor itself. We achieved this despite having some people in their seventeis, and some of us dressed in large latex homer simpson outfits. The technology we used was 2 step ladders and some carpet.
The total physical security to prevent this (peaceful) demonstration was 2 blokes with helmets and no guns whatsoever. (this is in the UK). This was in borad daylight, and as we entered the site, someone walked into the reception building and told them.
This was a peaceful demo.
If we had been terrorists, at night with knives or silenced pistols, we would have been in the control room with a backpack full of semtex within 10 minutes.
There is ZERO security around UK nuclear facilities. Even after our demo and they said they'd beef security, greenpeace did a similar demo at the SAME SITE a month later and got in again no problem.
the three thousand figure is interesting, because over 3000 people die every year in car accidents on the UKs roads.
They arent all rich lawyers, and they don't die live on television, so it seems nothing gets done.
Tens of thousands died in one day at bhopal due to incompetence, nothing was done as a result.
Kinda puts into perspective this endless war on terrorism that Bush dreamt up.
(BTW didn't Bush's mob FUND terrorists like the taliban a while back???)
This kind of shit is what americans thought happened in nazi germany and stalinist russia. Now it happens in their own country and they don't even care.
You wouldn't get me within a hundred miles of the US border these days, too many paranoid nutters in uniforms with guns.
Yup absolutely. I haven't been to the US (and will not go there) since 9/11. I'm a member of greenpeace, which probably marks me as some kind of islamic terrorist to the dimwits running your country right now.
All in all, my tourist dollars get spent quite happily in Canada or Europe instead. Nobody wants to be strip searched and fingerprinted as part of their holiday. The US isn't the only holiday destination in the universe.
I'd love to see figures for the US tourist industry since 9/11.
well said, and especially true at bullshit companies like EA.
The games industry constantly promises huge bonuses and royalties to its staff, then once the game is shipped those same employees are sacked or get a $50 bonus. Its a disaster. Meanwhile the directors park ferraris and jaguars in the reserved parking spaces.
The only royalty checks I've seen in 4 years at working for big companies are the ones I get from my little hobby games. Still haven't seen a bonus either.
Nobody try to compare this with the usual p2p IP arguments, this is very different.
Firstly nobody NEEDs the new madonna album, Half Life 2 or a copy of photoshop, we can all lvie without it. You NEED food, or we all die within days, its a different kettle of fish tor estrict the ownership of food.
Secondly, you ahve to DO something knowingly to get copyrighted material, with seeds, they just blow over your fence.
Monsanto are behaving outrageiously, and given the climate of pro-business, sod the consumer in the US, they will probably get away with it.
not only that, these days the react at COMPLETELY THE WRONG COUNTRY, when they kinda 'missed' saudi (where the hijackers came from) and hit iraq by mistake.
Guess they were using a wall hack.
Maybe they should fix their old gear before roling out the new fangled crap before theres evena demand? I have a wireless router/adsl modem from belkin which cuts my connection at random intervals. Contrary to what their support claims, a firmware upgrade did diddly squat. My older creative (non wireless) router was 100% reliable.
I dont care if this gadget has 40km range and cost $5, I'd never buy anything wth belkin wrrtten on it again.
Im not arguing for extended copyright, far from it, 20 years is more than enough if you ask me, but the problem is people cite such arguments, then go to kazaa or emule and downlaod yesterdays brand new release of photoshop.
If you are willing to go on the record and say you only downlaod illegal copies of stuff for things that have been around mroe than 10 years, then go for it, you wont get much of a rant from me.
BUT THIS ISN'T WHAT HAPPENS.
Someone releases a brand new film/game/app and within 24 hours a full copy is on P2P and being downloaded by thousands of people, probably hundreds of which would have bought it.
You want to talk about theft? thats it.
I understand and appreciate your arguments entirely, but those arguments are used to justify behaviour that is unconnected. People downlaod photoshop because they can get away with it (for now) not because of a moral stance on copyright terms.
complete bullshit.
I make video agmes for a living. If people like you go around copying the products I make and giving them to your friends for free, I sell a LOT less copies. Likely result is that people who would have bought from me don't, and I go out of business.
End result, Im on welfare and there are no new games made.
Is that what you want?
Its time pro-piracy people realsied that not everything they copy is made by some evil corporation. A lot of digital content is made by hard working self-employed guys just like you.
What have I done to you that makes you want to wreck MY livelihood?
I wasn't knocking you. I agree that the honours system is a pile of crap. One guy did recently make a big fuss out of turning down an honour, as a protest against the empires support fo slavery. He was a black poet, jamaican maybe? benjamin zephaniyah?
Apparently its generally considered bad form to publically turn down an offer, and most people are 'sounded out' about an honour before being officially given one. Thats the point at which most people say no.
this is nonsense. The CEO earns more than the bottom rung guys so you condone stealing the product?
way to go dude. Lats I heard General motors CEO earned mroe than the assembly line guys, lets go car jacking huh?
People steal copyrighted digital content because they can and because they think they wont get caught. end of story. If they wouldnt have bought it anway, why the fuck did they waste hours downloading it?
whereas Iain M banks DOES realise this. He even treats such empires as jokes in the culture novels.
bah, you stole most of your post from yes minister and hoped nobody would notice.
the motive of the cracker is irrelevant. The result is what matters, and the result is that potential customers can get the stuff for free.
If the cracker wants to prove he can crack a game, why can't he just crack the exe to display his logo, then crash the game. that way he proves he outwitted the game developer (who is probably 100 times smarter, these guys actually have to write a game as well as the copy protection) and yet no *real* harm is done.
the difference is that guy now lets in 13,000 people from all different ountries, none of which he vaguely knows.
So a very minor problem becomes an epidemic.
If you ran a burger bar and saw 13000 people charge in and grab burgers without paying wouldnt you be miffed?
Bit of a dodgy argument there. Movies and music are non essentials, a bit like cars in fact. Are you claiming that we should all slap car thieves on the back because it helps keep down the price of a new SUV?
These people take movies and games that hundreds of people work on for a living and then basically do their best to fuck up those peoples livelihoods. They are idiots not heros.
The guy in the article said it all "Computer science was too difficult". These are people who bascially arent up to the job of creating jack shit, so they take it out on those who can by ripping their work.
So just the standard bunch of losers really.
released when? because im pretty sure that wasn't available until well after the game was released. or am i wrong there?
indie game demos can also be downloaded in 10 mins, rather than 5 hours.
Most people would agree, but HL2 only last what? a few weeks casual play? What do you do then? whait another 15 years for HL3?
These games arent hyped, they are released NOW and they have demos (unlike Hl2) which you can try before you buy.
Not all indie games are excellent, but some are. I'd rather play Lux than Halo 2 any day. These are games done by 1 or 2 people on a small budget, just like the original civilisation. is that a bad game?
Don't fall into the trap of assuming a game isnt good becuase its not in gamespys top 10, I work at a AAA studio in the Uk and run my own indie games as a side business, and I can tell you that the games that feature on magazine covers and web site front pages are the games with million dollar marketing budgets, being a good game doesnt figure at all in such choices.
Look outside the mainstream on gametunnel and diygames.com and see what games are out that you DON't hear about. (just filter out the arkanoid cloes).
and until you get the system you want you are happy to rip off people like me working hard to make software.
nice attitude.
you dont understand man! hes sticking it to the man! everything should be free man! nobody who works in the entertianment industry actually needs to eat or anything! me and my buddies read a karl marx book and are now teh experts on lfie cant you tell grandad!
*sigh*
Ive read some bullshit on here in the past but:
Those who have great ideas and are passionate about them need no reward.
Ok fine. tell that to the families of everyone who works at valve, because a dipshit attitude like yours is what encourages people to steal half life 2 and put that company out of business. I guess youd like that?
and dont talk a load of shit about big companies, as if pirates give a fuck about the profitability of a company before they steal it. I guess you clinked champagne glasses the day you found out that looking glass software went under, something that was partly blamed on widespread piracy of their hard work.
Carry on mouthing of this pseudo-communist bullshit if it makes you feel good, but dont kid yourself that you are doing anything other than royally screwing everyone who makes the content that people like you leech.
Sorry but this is nonsense. You talk about a gig of data as though all that matters is how many bits are involved, without any thought for what goes into producng it. Are we now to measure soethings value purely by the amount of data involved? makes the mona lisa seem pretty valuless as a 5meg jpg file...
Yes the costs of distribution are now very low, but newsflash! the cost of producing a movie or a video game are now WAY higher than they used to be. Unless you reckon that every coder and artist at companies like Valve (or even small companies like mine) should live on scraps and work for free, your argument is faulty.
Downloading stolen(yes stolen) content from p2p does fuck all to encourage artists to produce good content. It does the exact opposite. All it achieves is a little sad teenage thrill for the kids who think they are "sticking it to the man!"
I couldnt agree more. That scumbag should be in some jail in pakistan rotting away for the next thirty years. Some people work really hard to create stuff, then some amoral dickhead comes and steals it. I would make damn sure I got hold of the authorities in pakistan and tracked that son of a bitch down. I know that ain't easy, but hell, this guy is probably scamming someone else right now. Maybe YOUR company is being screwed over by him.
looks like the latter
please post a link to this program. I tend to paste tables of 2 pizel gifs nto my website occasionally (leeching the bandwidth from viagra sites) but this sounds way better.