Hmmm. Is the difference between these based on the cut of the pant leg or are they both based on the emperor's suit and thus should not be worn in an open office?
I agree with your basic idea - that the further back you go, the more likely it is that individuals had more primary survival skills that we do today. That even within the world today, there are people who have those skills because they *need* them.
Fine - except that you are equating world for world - in order to *escape* from having to all farm our own pigs, we've specialised in different ways.
Perhaps an interesting line of thought would be to explore equivalencies of skills and the "volume" of skills that individuals take on throughout each generation and between generations. This might be especially visible in migrant populations. People coming from the rural third world to europe or america might seem lost but their children take on new skills to cope with the new society and culture. Now - how many skills do they forget in the process?? Do they add the ability to job hunt *and* remember how to hunt boar?
So - to conclude a bit of a ramble - each age or era has low skilled bare survivors and high skilled leaders and "winners". If we were to see, say , a nuclear war that lead to societal collapse, for sure we'd have to learn fast but that seems to be our forte as a species - the survivors would soon learn the hard way how to keep pigs (or hunt for boar!)
Do you mean that Linux's existance and popularity is *not* a result of 'hackerism' taking place on a fairly large scale?
The great thing about software is that it's real without being real - it's global without requiring the aspiring hacker developer to have to have a global corporation's resources in order to distribute globally.
Going along with this is the ability to interact with other developers on a global scale again without having to be a 'player' (ie a -ing major corporation or gov)...
This means that, in some ways, the communities that exist around free software are quite atypical in the global arena. Of course, communities of all types exist in a local context but here, in hackerland, we have something very different.
Oh dear - promoting Lomberg is like just admitting that you were *looking* for a position to take that supported your defensive gut reaction to the idea that you were part of the problem.
For a head clearing blast try ten pinches of salt which counters the wanton freedom from truth that Mr L indulged himself in.
It's classic fun listening to you yanks wank on about how it's
- a conspiracy - its crazy - its "bad science" - it ain't the american way - (oh god this ones the best) American suv's are *cleaner* than all those third world wrecks LOL
I guess you all know now, without realising, what it must feel like to have a dependency that needs facing before you can get a cure - you're like alcholics in the denial phase.
I'll give all you fact haters a link http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/reports.htm that'll help a bit.
"Its sunny out-side! Don't these enviroweenies get it!" LOLOL
Completely private now but regulated by Oftel- a gov watchdoggy... occasionally they get berated for not acting etc etc.
BT is the single greatest obstacle to broadband takeup here in the uk...
Oh, and the BBC are not run by the gov... although the gov might wish it were so...
Right only now its linux's turn
on
Macintosh Clustering
·
· Score: 2, Interesting
Linux has the endless instructions and most windows games I try install themselves just by putting the cd in.
What I find interesting is that someone creating, say, linux cluster server software, doesn't 'market' it using a kde install and administration tool. they could have a command line version as an add on for those that need it.
Ah yes, of course, what if you don't like kde, think it sucks and have fvwm instead. Yah, probs.
Its a difference in mentality.
Ease of install/setup vs some other way like just the way it use to be.
And therein lies the rub - and this goes for all the others above who are plugging imap as the solution.
The users say they/need/ the shared calendar. They have nokia 9110's / wince devices etc and they want it all to synch with outlook. So you can argue with them until you are blue in the face that they won't all use the calendar and this and that but in the end it only takes a few dedicated users on a user group plus one manager to crack and hey ho you need to be evaluating notes and the insight/trade server from bynari otherwise you'll have exchange by the end of the month:-)
"Certainly, there may be citizens in Saudi Arabia who don't like the censorship, but there is probably an equal or larger number who are glad that it is there."
But when do they get to say yes and how do they know that they disapprove of what's currently banned. Once you get basic censorship in as a principle then you'll never be sure that you have all or even any of the facts at your finger tips....
A disaster. At the very minimum you would need a lottery to select a few (damned) souls who have to go watch stuff and then say ouch this stuffs baaad, keep it banned etc
There is something to what you say - that if Linux was to be genuinely mainstream, whatever that is, but lets assume more commercial at the point of delivery to joe average, then yes, maybe some coders would move away towards something different.
But this is not the same as the death of cpm, dos, win3 etc - those were not replaced by a *paradigm* shift , only by a commercial product lifecycle process.
Even if there is a *new linux* in the wings now, that will not prevent those 2nd and 3rd wave coders from fixing and developing linux for some time to come. If only that option had been available to os/2 then some folks would, by all accounts, be in 7th heaven right now:-)
The other analogy of napster is also off beam slightly as they were a single point of failure and (relatively) easily nobbled by the forces of darkness etc. Not quite the same as linux - critical mass etc.
For sure we are a target now and other posters are right in saying that this is *normal* tactics in the marketplace etc. An unnamed oxygen supply company with a 99% market share was once surprised by an upstart trying to *enter the market* shock horror. Now buying it would be out of the question, legislation prevented that so they simply set up a *fighting company* and went in under any price that the startup could think off. Never made a penny of profit but quickly saw off the newcomer. Linux is way too *darwinian* a development and distribution model for that to work.
To end a bunch of waffling here, don't panic or fret...:-)
There is no such monolith. What is
the most dominant mail client? Not Outlook or Outlook Express. Sendmail
alone has a larger installed base than Exchange does. Same with Apache v.
IIS. That monopoly does not exisit - MS does not control e-mail or colloboration.
Pretty close to control given that the users actually express a strong desire
for outlook at almost every occasion. And to get this app really smokin needs
exchange server. I have tried playing around with hooking outlook
up to boxes with shared imap and ftp uploads for freebusy etc. Its a crock
in comparison to the outlook/exchange combo.
Don't get me wrong - I would rather be able to offer a choice to my users
when they come a crumbling but there isn't really one at the moment.
Hence the beefing about the barriers to entry for this market etc.
To be fair, this is partly the open source movement's fault (as a collective)
in not evangelising about the need for parity with exchange to be a priority
rather than fiddling with outlook/explorer/browsery clones. The crowd at
openoffice.org have taken up the baton but its gonna be another year or two...
Competition is the key - even when monopolies get slapped they are
still monopolies of the mind for some time afterwards...
>According to Nostraponte, site visitors have no
>problem whatsoever in paying a few cents for
>every article they read.
Which turns out to be absolutely correct for most people. I pay a monthly fee for unmetered low bandwidth allowing me to browse the web for, er, a few small coins a minute or, in pratical terms, per article. For article read whatever you want - and people will pay differing rates - so the gamer will be happy to pay a bit more for their chunk to be bigger or faster.
A yes, you say, but they are not paying for the article _itself_. True and this is maybe why people are reluctant to pay, effectively, twice.
Ah but the resitance were not contactable via visit, phone, email or otherwise... so the radio shenanigans one of the only ways they could be contacted. You think that if the allied planners coule not have just called them direct and/then/ used a code phrase they wouldn't?
>I have to say, though, as a protocol engineer, I
> don't see what's so special about HTTP. It's
>another super-simple "text commands on TCP"
>protocol, very much like FTP. Where's the
>innovation in hhtpd?
Spoken as a true geek!:-)
But seriously... its hardly surprising that much of what is developed is a bit geeky really.
Most people in the third world haven't even used a phone let alone a pc and you think that a web server is not an innovation? I recently was on hols in Cuba and in the main tourist areas they have little glass bubble internet stations. For 3$ an hour you get to logon. And guess what - it works - you have everything you have back home - webmail and web calenders and intranets etc.
On the same holiday we had to send a fax. 20 dollars!
To me this is the web at it's best - lowering the cost of communicating properly whilst on the move.
There is the latest nokia communicator 9210... runs the epoc32/symbian os - graphical, plays movies if you have to plus word etc. size of a specs case, has a phone on the outside and IR - uses regular dialup for isp's. even has a telnet client.
I agree that this and other schemes will soon find themselves in licenseable territory - it only takes a bill through your local legislature to take cb etc into restricted licenced use.
However, that said, if I have paid for 500 k then I am entitled to 500 k * all the time* - especially if this was leased line rather than dsl/cable.
So from the isp's point of view thats all that will be taken, 500k just most of the time rather than for a few hours in the evening.
If they are not really serious about allowing me to take 500k then they shouldn't try to sell it to me as such.
At work we have a small kilostream link with 5 allocated ip addresses. They (BT) could't care less how many pc's route out through the line, masqueraded or otherwise because all i can do is use all of my 64k.
What if I now connect to another sub branch across the street by using wireless... do BT care? No, they don't. Because the impact on them is... zero.
The kind of "up to 512k" access that is being advertised is basically dodgy because this 512k is not deliverable unless most of the people on that switch are not using it. One outcome of local wireless networks might be the withdrawal of this spurious 512k promise - probably better in the long run.
You are right to say that the license allows this to happen, fair dinkum. But imagine that xemacs had decided to just call the software emacs then *which* emacs do I have installed on my computer now?
This would be a nonsense situation not knowing whose edition was actually installed.
The issue goes to the heart of trademarks and common names. Your ideas imply that if someone decides to destroy the good name of a product then they are free to use the product name to build an inferior product and confuse the market. Ouch!
Many things are capable of forming new versions of themselves with added bits: people and paint colours spring to mind but the thing that is created is not a clone! It has a new name or a new colour.
The guys using the mozilla code base to create added value products don't just call their new software mozilla!
Slashdot Mirror
I kind of assume everyone has, but you don't mention it. Excellent mail client included.
pretty secure, does imap all that, does ldap address books, blah.
J
Good lord - look at the map!
"he KDE suit, the Gnome suit, and openoffice."
Hmmm. Is the difference between these based on the cut of the pant leg or are they both based on the emperor's suit and thus should not be worn in an open office?
"i didn't see if there's a project to build a public database of showtimes/channels for people to get. shouldn't be that challenging."
I think that the tv schedules are actually copyrighted and newpapers etc have to get permission to reprint.
I agree with your basic idea - that the further back you go, the more likely it is that individuals had more primary survival skills that we do today. That even within the world today, there are people who have those skills because they *need* them.
Fine - except that you are equating world for world - in order to *escape* from having to all farm our own pigs, we've specialised in different ways.
Perhaps an interesting line of thought would be to explore equivalencies of skills and the "volume" of skills that individuals take on throughout each generation and between generations. This might be especially visible in migrant populations. People coming from the rural third world to europe or america might seem lost but their children take on new skills to cope with the new society and culture. Now - how many skills do they forget in the process?? Do they add the ability to job hunt *and* remember how to hunt boar?
So - to conclude a bit of a ramble - each age or era has low skilled bare survivors and high skilled leaders and "winners". If we were to see, say , a nuclear war that lead to societal collapse, for sure we'd have to learn fast but that seems to be our forte as a species - the survivors would soon learn the hard way how to keep pigs (or hunt for boar!)
J
>I would suggest that hackerism doesn't scale.
...
What do you mean?
Do you mean that Linux's existance and popularity is *not* a result of 'hackerism' taking place on a fairly large scale?
The great thing about software is that it's real without being real - it's global without requiring the aspiring hacker developer to have to have a global corporation's resources in order to distribute globally.
Going along with this is the ability to interact with other developers on a global scale again without having to be a 'player' (ie a -ing major corporation or gov)
This means that, in some ways, the communities that exist around free software are quite atypical in the global arena. Of course, communities of all types exist in a local context but here, in hackerland, we have something very different.
ramble bumble
C
Oh dear - promoting Lomberg is like just admitting that you were *looking* for a position to take that supported your defensive gut reaction to the idea that you were part of the problem.
For a head clearing blast try ten pinches of salt which counters the wanton freedom from truth that Mr L indulged himself in.
It's classic fun listening to you yanks wank on about how it's
- a conspiracy
- its crazy
- its "bad science"
- it ain't the american way
- (oh god this ones the best) American suv's are *cleaner* than all those third world wrecks LOL
I guess you all know now, without realising, what it must feel like to have a dependency that needs facing before you can get a cure - you're like alcholics in the denial phase.
I'll give all you fact haters a link http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/reports.htm that'll help a bit.
"Its sunny out-side! Don't these enviroweenies get it!" LOLOL
Completely private now but regulated by Oftel- a gov watchdoggy ... occasionally they get berated for not acting etc etc.
...
... although the gov might wish it were so ...
BT is the single greatest obstacle to broadband takeup here in the uk
Oh, and the BBC are not run by the gov
Linux has the endless instructions and most windows games I try install themselves just by putting the cd in.
What I find interesting is that someone creating, say, linux cluster server software, doesn't 'market' it using a kde install and administration tool. they could have a command line version as an add on for those that need it.
Ah yes, of course, what if you don't like kde, think it sucks and have fvwm instead. Yah, probs.
Its a difference in mentality.
Ease of install/setup vs some other way like just the way it use to be.
J
Its amazing how you can tell what I am doing ...
>Except for the Calendar/Groupware functions
/need/ the shared calendar. They have nokia 9110's / wince devices etc and they want it all to synch with outlook. So you can argue with them until you are blue in the face that they won't all use the calendar and this and that but in the end it only takes a few dedicated users on a user group plus one manager to crack and hey ho you need to be evaluating notes and the insight/trade server from bynari otherwise you'll have exchange by the end of the month :-)
And therein lies the rub - and this goes for all the others above who are plugging imap as the solution.
The users say they
"Certainly, there may be citizens in Saudi Arabia who don't like the censorship, but there is probably an equal or larger number who are glad that it is there."
....
But when do they get to say yes and how do they know that they disapprove of what's currently banned. Once you get basic censorship in as a principle then you'll never be sure that you have all or even any of the facts at your finger tips
A disaster. At the very minimum you would need a lottery to select a few (damned) souls who have to go watch stuff and then say ouch this stuffs baaad, keep it banned etc
There is something to what you say - that if Linux was to be genuinely mainstream, whatever that is, but lets assume more commercial at the point of delivery to joe average, then yes, maybe some coders would move away towards something different.
:-)
... :-)
But this is not the same as the death of cpm, dos, win3 etc - those were not replaced by a *paradigm* shift , only by a commercial product lifecycle process.
Even if there is a *new linux* in the wings now, that will not prevent those 2nd and 3rd wave coders from fixing and developing linux for some time to come. If only that option had been available to os/2 then some folks would, by all accounts, be in 7th heaven right now
The other analogy of napster is also off beam slightly as they were a single point of failure and (relatively) easily nobbled by the forces of darkness etc. Not quite the same as linux - critical mass etc.
For sure we are a target now and other posters are right in saying that this is *normal* tactics in the marketplace etc. An unnamed oxygen supply company with a 99% market share was once surprised by an upstart trying to *enter the market* shock horror. Now buying it would be out of the question, legislation prevented that so they simply set up a *fighting company* and went in under any price that the startup could think off. Never made a penny of profit but quickly saw off the newcomer. Linux is way too *darwinian* a development and distribution model for that to work.
To end a bunch of waffling here, don't panic or fret
Pretty close to control given that the users actually express a strong desire for outlook at almost every occasion. And to get this app really smokin needs exchange server. I have tried playing around with hooking outlook up to boxes with shared imap and ftp uploads for freebusy etc. Its a crock in comparison to the outlook/exchange combo.
Don't get me wrong - I would rather be able to offer a choice to my users when they come a crumbling but there isn't really one at the moment. Hence the beefing about the barriers to entry for this market etc.
To be fair, this is partly the open source movement's fault (as a collective) in not evangelising about the need for parity with exchange to be a priority rather than fiddling with outlook/explorer/browsery clones. The crowd at openoffice.org have taken up the baton but its gonna be another year or two
Competition is the key - even when monopolies get slapped they are still monopolies of the mind for some time afterwards
Just asking ... deb's fans always make a similar claim ... do fans of slack move to debian etc. Ah, the market trends we'll never know ... :-)
C
>According to Nostraponte, site visitors have no
>problem whatsoever in paying a few cents for
>every article they read.
Which turns out to be absolutely correct for most people. I pay a monthly fee for unmetered low bandwidth allowing me to browse the web for, er, a few small coins a minute or, in pratical terms, per article. For article read whatever you want - and people will pay differing rates - so the gamer will be happy to pay a bit more for their chunk to be bigger or faster.
A yes, you say, but they are not paying for the article _itself_. True and this is maybe why people are reluctant to pay, effectively, twice.
C
Ah but the resitance were not contactable via visit, phone, email or otherwise ... so the radio shenanigans one of the only ways they could be contacted. You think that if the allied planners coule not have just called them direct and /then/ used a code phrase they wouldn't?
>For geeks only. Command lines aren't innovative
:-)
... its hardly surprising that much of what is developed is a bit geeky really.
> -- they're reactionary,
>I have to say, though, as a protocol engineer, I
> don't see what's so special about HTTP. It's
>another super-simple "text commands on TCP"
>protocol, very much like FTP. Where's the
>innovation in hhtpd?
Spoken as a true geek!
But seriously
Most people in the third world haven't even used a phone let alone a pc and you think that a web server is not an innovation? I recently was on hols in Cuba and in the main tourist areas they have little glass bubble internet stations. For 3$ an hour you get to logon. And guess what - it works - you have everything you have back home - webmail and web calenders and intranets etc.
On the same holiday we had to send a fax. 20 dollars!
To me this is the web at it's best - lowering the cost of communicating properly whilst on the move.
Deffo innovation.
Its the effort of making and distributing them (one time pads) safely and continously that makes them tricky.
There is the latest nokia communicator 9210... runs the epoc32/symbian os - graphical, plays movies if you have to plus word etc. size of a specs case, has a phone on the outside and IR - uses regular dialup for isp's. even has a telnet client.
:-)
Affordable?
probably not
C
I agree that this and other schemes will soon find themselves in licenseable territory - it only takes a bill through your local legislature to take cb etc into restricted licenced use.
... do BT care? No, they don't. Because the impact on them is ... zero.
...
However, that said, if I have paid for 500 k then I am entitled to 500 k * all the time* - especially if this was leased line rather than dsl/cable.
So from the isp's point of view thats all that will be taken, 500k just most of the time rather than for a few hours in the evening.
If they are not really serious about allowing me to take 500k then they shouldn't try to sell it to me as such.
At work we have a small kilostream link with 5 allocated ip addresses. They (BT) could't care less how many pc's route out through the line, masqueraded or otherwise because all i can do is use all of my 64k.
What if I now connect to another sub branch across the street by using wireless
The kind of "up to 512k" access that is being advertised is basically dodgy because this 512k is not deliverable unless most of the people on that switch are not using it. One outcome of local wireless networks might be the withdrawal of this spurious 512k promise - probably better in the long run.
God this is a tortous post
But I am sure you see what I am driving at.
Seems to be what you want: runs epoc32 - the latest version of what runs on the psions. Now in colour. The symbian doodah.
check it here - nearly identical form factor to the 9000.
I own a 9110. The last of the non symbian breed.
the file for download is simply mysql-xxx.yyy ... nothing about nusphereat all there.
....
... xemacs-xxx.yyy
... samba-tng-xxx.yyy
whereas
emacs-xxx.yyy
samba-xxx-yyy
hmmm, see what I mean?
You are right to say that the license allows this to happen, fair dinkum. But imagine that xemacs had decided to just call the software emacs then *which* emacs do I have installed on my computer now?
This would be a nonsense situation not knowing whose edition was actually installed.
The issue goes to the heart of trademarks and common names. Your ideas imply that if someone decides to destroy the good name of a product then they are free to use the product name to build an inferior product and confuse the market. Ouch!
Many things are capable of forming new versions of themselves with added bits: people and paint colours spring to mind but the thing that is created is not a clone! It has a new name or a new colour.
The guys using the mozilla code base to create added value products don't just call their new software mozilla!
Get a grip, dude!