XMl is just _not_ "fancy". It is a step in the direction of machine-readable "meaning".
HTML is a visual markup language concentrating on the concept of bigger and larger fonts, laying out the page etc.
XML does not inherently define layout - but it does allow at least one further tool to make layout happen. Typically this is xslt (there are others) and the output will probably html but could equally by more xml, rtf, pdf, ascii, csv, sql etc etc.
You *use* the processing lang you already know to manipulate the xml data. Thus all the biggies have or are soon to get the tools needed to use xml.
Thus you transform xml using an xslt processor itself written in java, python or c.
XML's implementation often proves the point that standards are often best written slightly afterthe fact but it really is usable now in a way that seemd very distant only a few years ago when the hype was *really* crazy
It is also deep structure. Abiword,for eg, also uses xml to markup its content but the resulting file resembles html much more than it does "data marked up with meaning" which is the essence of xml/sgml.
Problem that requires solving is not to replicate the type of replacement but to alter the interface of wordprocessors so that they allow you to highlight structures such as chapters and sub chapters, and so forth. None are offering this at all.
They don't allow you to apply your/own/ dtd and associated style sheets / xslt transforms etc. This/can/ be done - see wordperfect 2000. Not perfect but pretty damn good. generates xml output that conforms to your dtd.
The current free offerings perpetuate the visual only representation of data.
While its true that with some farting around you can write additional xsl to transform simple markup ito something else, in practice this hard: you have to make assumptions like when you see this means insert another etc. Always breaks.
You may as well stick to html with embedded css if you don't allow external dtds.
surely the solution is to encrypt or use other naming foolery at either end... someone postulated elswehere on/. that if fair portion of the net's traffic were to suddenly become encrypted, then it would become next too impossible to monitor effectively.
Rmember that we are still doing the equivalent of sending stuff around without an envelope.... crazy, really..
when used in conjunction with sleezeball - squid does a redirect and sleezeball filters anything you like to an invisible gif somewhere. squid itself does the caching and web access for the entire network.
beeeecause... radio *pays* a fee to the owner (or manager or agent etc) of a songs IP to broadcast a song, something which individual peers on a p2p network do not. Unless Napster wants to pay on behalf of its users?
You say 'me and everyone else to pay for it' when I may have paid for it too.
Extend your argument. I, as a taxpayer, go to my local library to borrow a book to find that they dont 'like' books about Darwinism or whatever. How do I get my money back??
Exactly. Don't vote for any idiot that suggests that censorship is ok really because it only affects the poor and others who dont pay taxes and cant afford their own pc etc..
There is widespread use of Windows without _it_ being able to detect and work around existing os's on the target system... it is bending over just a little too far to make linux too much of a "give it a quick try" on yer existing system to see if you like it. You wont, not just like that, its not that simple. If you have a _need_ though, then you might read up on linux and _plan_ to install it, spend some time etc otherwise nah.
according to a line in a file somewhere, was to convince us that he didn't exist.
This is worth repeating with regards to your belief that transnationals don't have any interest in the makeup and decisions of government. Because what? They said so?
Following Scott Adams, a major philosopher of our time, it might be that we have a greater conceit than any previous generation. He [Adams] talked about how so much of human perception has been clouded in that past due to what he called optical illusions (like flat earth or sun revolving round us etc). He suggested that previous generations _did_ believe that theirs was the one to solve these mysteries and that, by extension, what makes us so different?
As an example, he suggests that gravity could be simulated in a universe where _everything_ was doubling in volume continously. The visible illusion would be similar to that of gravity (which is a rather incompletely explained phenomenon beyond "well big things have more of it").
For sure we have a communications and perhaps empowerment breakthough but it might give some of us the impression that we are more on top of things than we really are...
Look at economics... we _still_ get surprised by what really happens despite all the salaries, tech and academia devoted to it.
I thought that the middle tier was more of a help than a hinderance by giving you a central place to store the business rules and manage transactions across dispersed databases and servers.
Speed, sure, but the bigger the application the less likely that speed will be the primary driver...
Timescale is in the decades and the debate could be a good one... whoever said that monitoring is the issue is correct... but if that was overcome then I can't see this not happening - it is a legal requirement to drive within the speed limit in the UK - making cars that can exceed this is a strange concept of freedom. Expect the car makers to be in the vanguard of opposition ("our car will only go as fast as the speed limit" is a tad different from the current "speed is like sex" message).
If the ongoing iraq sniping war was to produce 3500 british deaths a year, every year, then any politician that voted for continuation would also be out on their ear... I don't know what the US road kill figures are but I would guess that not that many people are genuinely aware of them.
The 'evil ones'[tm] could use these boxes to entrap those who might be 'thinking' about resistance. It asks you for you name and if you are pissed off with the sitch. You say yup and they come and pick you up.
You need to get and install Zope first then add Squishdot as a module. Works grand and straight out of the box but you need to decide you need Zope first as this is a strategy level thing really.
This is the key... it's needed. right now. I have been checking this out for a while now, slow movements on various fronts most notably Crosswinds stuff (cyberscheduler etc). Still, nothing that allows different client apps to share the same data store a la imap...
A standard could still win... the ability to send your customers, clients or partners appointments without sharing the same application would be a killer. But it need to be here right now.
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Just a thought, for those organisations who have installed the full monty as an allinone client, they might not want to lose that training investment etc in order to upgrade from comm to moz so they make the two similar?
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XMl is just _not_ "fancy". It is a step in the direction of machine-readable "meaning".
HTML is a visual markup language concentrating on the concept of bigger and larger fonts, laying out the page etc.
XML does not inherently define layout - but it does allow at least one further tool to make layout happen. Typically this is xslt (there are others) and the output will probably html but could equally by more xml, rtf, pdf, ascii, csv, sql etc etc.
You *use* the processing lang you already know to manipulate the xml data. Thus all the biggies have or are soon to get the tools needed to use xml.
Thus you transform xml using an xslt processor itself written in java, python or c.
XML's implementation often proves the point that standards are often best written slightly afterthe fact but it really is usable now in a way that seemd very distant only a few years ago when the hype was *really* crazy
It is also deep structure. Abiword ,for eg, also uses xml to markup its content but the resulting file resembles html much more than it does "data marked up with meaning" which is the essence of xml/sgml.
/own/ dtd and associated style sheets / xslt transforms etc. This /can/ be done - see wordperfect 2000. Not perfect but pretty damn good. generates xml output that conforms to your dtd.
Problem that requires solving is not to replicate the type of replacement but to alter the interface of wordprocessors so that they allow you to highlight structures such as chapters and sub chapters, and so forth. None are offering this at all.
They don't allow you to apply your
The current free offerings perpetuate the visual only representation of data.
While its true that with some farting around you can write additional xsl to transform simple markup ito something else, in practice this hard: you have to make assumptions like when you see this means insert another etc. Always breaks.
You may as well stick to html with embedded css if you don't allow external dtds.
Jonathan
If /.ers are so individual they can hardly be categorised so glibly.
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Oh god, why am I answering a troll
surely the solution is to encrypt or use other naming foolery at either end ... someone postulated elswehere on /. that if fair portion of the net's traffic were to suddenly become encrypted, then it would become next too impossible to monitor effectively.
Rmember that we are still doing the equivalent of sending stuff around without an envelope.... crazy, really..
Not sure about an office in Cologne but they did apparently try out the slogan "Wang Cares".
...
Urban myth prolly
C
Where did thie eurocentric thing pop out from? Corel are Canadian, no?
when used in conjunction with sleezeball - squid does a redirect and sleezeball filters anything you like to an invisible gif somewhere. squid itself does the caching and web access for the entire network.
very neat set up.
C
beeeecause ... radio *pays* a fee to the owner (or manager or agent etc) of a songs IP to broadcast a song, something which individual peers on a p2p network do not. Unless Napster wants to pay on behalf of its users?
Napster is more like pirate radio.
I am not judging here, just saying.
there are loopholes ie cb freq see www.consume.net for details!
You say 'me and everyone else to pay for it' when I may have paid for it too.
Extend your argument. I, as a taxpayer, go to my local library to borrow a book to find that they dont 'like' books about Darwinism or whatever. How do I get my money back??
Exactly. Don't vote for any idiot that suggests that censorship is ok really because it only affects the poor and others who dont pay taxes and cant afford their own pc etc..
I am confused ... I have telnet enabled so I can work from home but I appear to have to use an account and a password to actually get in ...
Or have I just fallen for a trolly, flamey thing?
It's a troll: just because it bucks the local average does not make it insightful.
There is widespread use of Windows without _it_ being able to detect and work around existing os's on the target system ... it is bending over just a little too far to make linux too much of a "give it a quick try" on yer existing system to see if you like it. You wont, not just like that, its not that simple. If you have a _need_ though, then you might read up on linux and _plan_ to install it, spend some time etc otherwise nah.
Try www.dnuk.com if yer in the UK. Nice solid boxes, we have one running zope etc flawlessly.
according to a line in a file somewhere, was to convince us that he didn't exist.
This is worth repeating with regards to your belief that transnationals don't have any interest in the makeup and decisions of government. Because what? They said so?
hmm dude. get a grip.
Following Scott Adams, a major philosopher of our time, it might be that we have a greater conceit than any previous generation. He [Adams] talked about how so much of human perception has been clouded in that past due to what he called optical illusions (like flat earth or sun revolving round us etc). He suggested that previous generations _did_ believe that theirs was the one to solve these mysteries and that, by extension, what makes us so different?
...
... we _still_ get surprised by what really happens despite all the salaries, tech and academia devoted to it.
As an example, he suggests that gravity could be simulated in a universe where _everything_ was doubling in volume continously. The visible illusion would be similar to that of gravity (which is a rather incompletely explained phenomenon beyond "well big things have more of it").
For sure we have a communications and perhaps empowerment breakthough but it might give some of us the impression that we are more on top of things than we really are
Look at economics
Prolly all tosh but there you go.
JonC
I thought that the middle tier was more of a help than a hinderance by giving you a central place to store the business rules and manage transactions across dispersed databases and servers.
Speed, sure, but the bigger the application the less likely that speed will be the primary driver ...
I lend books and rarely get tham back cos who really cares given that that the book costs 5 squid and I have read it already ... :-)
Not the same with lending your pda ...
I agree that users need support but this is equally true for windows ...
Folks like www.learningtree.co.uk and others are making it as painless as sending yer incoming techs on a hardware or windows course.
Add a bit of in-house hand holding and familiarisation and you have what you need.
It is the quality of the individual that will make a good tech support over time not the app or os needing support.
Timescale is in the decades and the debate could be a good one ... whoever said that monitoring is the issue is correct ... but if that was overcome then I can't see this not happening - it is a legal requirement to drive within the speed limit in the UK - making cars that can exceed this is a strange concept of freedom. Expect the car makers to be in the vanguard of opposition ("our car will only go as fast as the speed limit" is a tad different from the current "speed is like sex" message).
... I don't know what the US road kill figures are but I would guess that not that many people are genuinely aware of them.
If the ongoing iraq sniping war was to produce 3500 british deaths a year, every year, then any politician that voted for continuation would also be out on their ear
Ho hum
J
The 'evil ones'[tm] could use these boxes to entrap those who might be 'thinking' about resistance. It asks you for you name and if you are pissed off with the sitch. You say yup and they come and pick you up.
Trust takes more than a secure socket methinks.
You need to get and install Zope first then add
Squishdot as a module. Works grand and straight out of the box but you need to decide you need Zope first as this is a strategy level thing really.
You only pay if you want to sell a product
derived from or including mysql that is non
redistributable or non-free.
or summat like that. either way for practical
use, say on a website, even if you are a footsie
100 company, you will not have to pay.
It is true that it is not fully GPL'd though.
>(A)Users demand calendaring
... it's needed. right now. I have been checking this out for a while now, slow movements on various fronts most notably Crosswinds stuff (cyberscheduler etc). Still, nothing that allows different client apps to share the same data store a la imap ...
... the ability to send your customers, clients or partners appointments without sharing the same application would be a killer. But it need to be here right now.
This is the key
A standard could still win
Just a thought, for those organisations who have installed the full monty as an allinone client, they might not want to lose that training investment etc in order to upgrade from comm to moz so they make the two similar?