As you say, its shareware - you try it, you like it, you buy it. I assume you have paid now that you have used it to save a document over a 1000 times and are raving about it...:-)
Maybe it's just that you *sound* like you think of only the button as 'the shareware part' rather than, as the license under which you can trial this otherwise commercial software.
yes, there is a complete infrastructure with underground, overground train, bus, tram and light rail etc.
But, and it's a big but, it's very old, like a lot of the tube was put in in the 19th century and through the early 20th.. as such it is crumbling away by the day. It's all very deep and cost an arm an a leg to dig.
So no easy solutions except long term, no short payback investment etc.
Italian budgets are not the EU - The EU has a absolutely tiny, miniscule budget of 75 billion dollars which is 1% of gnp - compared with, say, the UK's 35% (and about 500 billion dollars)
As for left of centre... sheesh, the right of centre rules in UK, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Italy - I am sure I have forgotten a few.
Facts, please.
It is great that this kind of initiative is being brought through even it is only words. It shows people who would like to change that they won't be alone if they do. Compare this to the Tony Blair/Bill Gates love in that occurs here one a year.
"If you join the UN, then you have to follow it's rules."
If only that were true then you could just join the UN and gain some protection and some rights. However it ain't true and you *will* be invaded by a stronger power at some stage and the UN will wring it's hands like usual.
is it wrong or right to be a NIMBY? You seem to be unsure... you imply some kind of disapproval with your "Namby anyone" comment and then go on to suggest that you wouldn't want to live there either...:)
Hmm, I actually think that the geek community is chaotic good - sure there is the gpl but in actual fact, most of us are well prepared to stand a bit of piracy, especially if it's from companies that are lawful neutral, which is what I think that microsoft is. Actually, MS may even be chaotic neutral.
They are not intrinsically good because they don't serve just us - they serve themselves too and their shareholders. They are not particularly lawful either as witnessed but various cases.
ho hum - I agree with your relativism though...:-)
Its not a good thing, but it seems to be the price to pay if you are to have a system that encourages that entrepreneurial spirit - the sense that there's a killing to be made...
Most jobs that consider access to google as the centre of their work domain have nothing to do with the real world of utilities, food, transport, work, life, etc. Good grief, get a grip...:-)
I think you're a bit off base here - one or too of your statements feel a bit, well, fuddy...
You are very keen to suggest that Suse, for eg, is a *proprietary* distribution, implying somehow that it is not free. This is fluffy - you are free to download suse from their website. All the software is gpled, you can do what you like with it.
You mention Caldera's per seat thing. Sure, a tricky one for the gpl to cope with, but Suse have said that they will be selling their UL distribution on the same basis as now. Anyone can join in with UL and can sell their particular offering (binaries, install, support, additional tools) as they see fit.
The whole thing is gpl for source (if not for binaries.) You can build a UL box for free and distribute that. What you can't do is then brand it UL. But so what. If thats what you wanted to do then it will always be better for you to actually join the association.
You seem to have missed the whole *support and services* part of how enterprises decide on key platforms. They don't just run things on test distributions!
To be honest, I think that you will find that users want more from an office calendar these days - they want to do group views, book meeting rooms, search for free time in others diaries etc. Exactly what outlook/groupwise/notes does.
You could try moz + steltor calendar (www.steltor.com) as a reasonable compromise. This has agenda synching tools (for CE, psion and palm).
nah, mate, all he is saying is that, wow, what an amusing coincidence that we have a film about locking up people before they commit the crime just as we have this happen in real life.
His point is fine - that the film intends to shock slightly - make you go oh that would never happen. Oops too late.
Your expansion to "The war on terrorism" bit is nebulous - its just the threat of the moment, as he says, it happened with a different threat in the past.
But seriously, whatat do you mean by 'kill'? You mean that an association of commercial corporations will hack or dos a server hosted in Scotland?
This is definately not legal, even in the US. So, yes they would be extradited to Scotland (not the same as th UK) and then tried.
If you mean, seek legal redress for damages caused by the p2p server, then they would seek assistance from the legal authorities in Scotland and proceed.
People, ie my Dad, will use whatever comes on their pc which will be sold with a sticker saying 'more secure web security in this box'.
He will use online vendors that support the new web security etc in this box.
The vendors will use windows servers because they help deliver that security.
Vendors will only use linux boxes if they can do the same thing as the market leader. This has always been true with linux, even in markets where ms was not the leader.
This term is usually reserved for systems that measure passengers per hour rather than flights per day...
In addition, how many airports are in the city centre?
London, where I live, has 1.1 million passengers inbound to the centre of town every single day. So in one working month it takes what heathrow does in a whole year and that's a gateway airport for europe and one of the busiest in the world.
No one has proved any of these charges - the only facts seem to be that an advisor wrote to another asking why a group of survivors "seem to have an anti-SB agenda".
Good question.
Just because people have survived a train crash does not then grant them special status if they then appear to be [all] engaging in some kind of 'co-ordinated message' thing with an agenda.
Its an absolute herring, this one.
It's the governments email that appears fo have been opened to the work not the other way round...
I had cleaned up my pc and removed references to IE and was encouraging my partner to use moz - she is onboard with the free softeare argument too.
She basically just uses webmail plus a little browsing.
Then one day recently, a bug or flaw of some kind in an update to the website meant that it wouldn't get past her password entry. Tried IE and it was fine. And, just like that, she has used IE every day since.
Things just have to work and when they don't then thats your new perception.
WWIII - its starting all right... only you'll fire neither the first nor the last nuke... hope yer doing what you can rather that missing the point etc: That 'ole terrorism thing's been and gone, background music, now.
Get used to it and pay attention to the new nuclear reality.
You are defining it as "free from being hassled about the choices you make even though they may impact upon aothers freedoms in the future"
This is unheard of in the western world where lobbyists and pressure groups act as our eyes and ears, keeping tabs on the decisions that people make - especially when, being people, they are inclined to take the odd short-term view for expediancies sake.
Ok so the man's got tourettes, so what - its a disease...:-)
His point is totally correct. That the per minute costs of cellular calls and the current absence (or one-network availability of gprs services means that you treat each data call as a luxury. I had a nokia 9010 - sure you could surf the web - it really worked - except who hangs around at 25p(40cents?) per minute?
I agree that the internet is a leveller in terms of access but I am not sure I agree that this is the only issue.
The point is 'who do you trust'. Many people have stopped trusting certain corporations or even coroporations from an entire sector. Corps already pay writers to do pr - it doesn't work though because people have got wind of 'motive'. If you like, everyone is now familiar with the thought "well, you would say that"...
To eliminate some of this suspicion, firms are now inventing fake universities and colleges, think tanks etc in order to be able to say "see - its not just us who think that this is safe - look at this university report".
People *can* read individual repostes as you say but it seems human nature (and the Big Corps know this) to trust info from institutions or organisations more than that of individuals.
Redhat wants to grow, to get a stable and growing income base to: pay off their investors and banks and to give incentives to people to keep owning and buying redhat shares.
In capitalism, winner takes all or most anyway, especially the big winners, the dominant players.
They also attract yet more investors - the really really big ones, the insurers, the pension funds.
Got bugger all to do with open source. Thats just the product on sale. In time, redhat may sell other products, the evolving corporation.
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As you say, its shareware - you try it, you like it, you buy it. I assume you have paid now that you have used it to save a document over a 1000 times and are raving about it ... :-)
Maybe it's just that you *sound* like you think of only the button as 'the shareware part' rather than, as the license under which you can trial this otherwise commercial software.
yes, there is a complete infrastructure with underground, overground train, bus, tram and light rail etc.
.. as such it is crumbling away by the day. It's all very deep and cost an arm an a leg to dig.
But, and it's a big but, it's very old, like a lot of the tube was put in in the 19th century and through the early 20th
So no easy solutions except long term, no short payback investment etc.
Italian budgets are not the EU - The EU has a absolutely tiny, miniscule budget of 75 billion dollars which is 1% of gnp - compared with, say, the UK's 35% (and about 500 billion dollars)
... sheesh, the right of centre rules in UK, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Italy - I am sure I have forgotten a few.
As for left of centre
Facts, please.
It is great that this kind of initiative is being brought through even it is only words. It shows people who would like to change that they won't be alone if they do. Compare this to the Tony Blair/Bill Gates love in that occurs here one a year.
"If you join the UN, then you have to follow it's rules."
If only that were true then you could just join the UN and gain some protection and some rights. However it ain't true and you *will* be invaded by a stronger power at some stage and the UN will wring it's hands like usual.
is it wrong or right to be a NIMBY? You seem to be unsure ... you imply some kind of disapproval with your "Namby anyone" comment and then go on to suggest that you wouldn't want to live there either ... :)
afaik thats a hard ceiling.
Hmm, I actually think that the geek community is chaotic good - sure there is the gpl but in actual fact, most of us are well prepared to stand a bit of piracy, especially if it's from companies that are lawful neutral, which is what I think that
... :-)
microsoft is. Actually, MS may even be chaotic neutral.
They are not intrinsically good because they don't serve just us - they serve themselves too and their shareholders. They are not particularly lawful either as witnessed but various cases.
ho hum - I agree with your relativism though
Its not a good thing, but it seems to be the price to pay if you are to have a system that encourages that entrepreneurial spirit - the sense that there's a killing to be made ...
Most jobs that consider access to google as the centre of their work domain have nothing to do with the real world of utilities, food, transport, work, life, etc. Good grief, get a grip ... :-)
I think you're a bit off base here - one or too of your statements feel a bit, well, fuddy ...
You are very keen to suggest that Suse, for eg, is a *proprietary* distribution, implying somehow that it is not free. This is fluffy - you are free to download suse from their website. All the software is gpled, you can do what you like with it.
You mention Caldera's per seat thing. Sure, a tricky one for the gpl to cope with, but Suse have said that they will be selling their UL distribution on the same basis as now. Anyone can join in with UL and can sell their particular offering (binaries, install, support, additional tools) as they see fit.
The whole thing is gpl for source (if not for binaries.) You can build a UL box for free and distribute that. What you can't do is then brand it UL. But so what. If thats what you wanted to do then it will always be better for you to actually join the association.
You seem to have missed the whole *support and services* part of how enterprises decide on key platforms. They don't just run things on test distributions!
To be honest, I think that you will find that users want more from an office calendar these days - they want to do group views, book meeting rooms, search for free time in others diaries etc. Exactly what outlook/groupwise/notes does.
You could try moz + steltor calendar (www.steltor.com) as a reasonable compromise. This has agenda synching tools (for CE, psion and palm).
... pavlovs dogs ...
nah, mate, all he is saying is that, wow, what an amusing coincidence that we have a film about locking up people before they commit the crime just as we have this happen in real life.
His point is fine - that the film intends to shock slightly - make you go oh that would never happen. Oops too late.
Your expansion to "The war on terrorism" bit is nebulous - its just the threat of the moment, as he says, it happened with a different threat in the past.
chill
..actually :-)
But seriously, whatat do you mean by 'kill'? You mean that an association of commercial corporations will hack or dos a server hosted in Scotland?
This is definately not legal, even in the US. So, yes they would be extradited to Scotland (not the same as th UK) and then tried.
If you mean, seek legal redress for damages caused by the p2p server, then they would seek assistance from the legal authorities in Scotland and proceed.
People, ie my Dad, will use whatever comes on their pc which will be sold with a sticker saying 'more secure web security in this box'.
He will use online vendors that support the new web security etc in this box.
The vendors will use windows servers because they help deliver that security.
Vendors will only use linux boxes if they can do the same thing as the market leader. This has always been true with linux, even in markets where ms was not the leader.
This term is usually reserved for systems that measure passengers per hour rather than flights per day ...
In addition, how many airports are in the city centre?
London, where I live, has 1.1 million passengers inbound to the centre of town every single day. So in one working month it takes what heathrow does in a whole year and that's a gateway airport for europe and one of the busiest in the world.
scale, scale.
No one has proved any of these charges - the only facts seem to be that an advisor wrote to another asking why a group of survivors "seem to have an anti-SB agenda".
...
Good question.
Just because people have survived a train crash does not then grant them special status if they then appear to be [all] engaging in some kind of 'co-ordinated message' thing with an agenda.
Its an absolute herring, this one.
It's the governments email that appears fo have been opened to the work not the other way round
I had cleaned up my pc and removed references to IE and was encouraging my partner to use moz - she is onboard with the free softeare argument too.
She basically just uses webmail plus a little browsing.
Then one day recently, a bug or flaw of some kind in an update to the website meant that it wouldn't get past her password entry. Tried IE and it was fine. And, just like that, she has used IE every day since.
Things just have to work and when they don't then thats your new perception.
C
WWIII - its starting all right ... only you'll fire neither the first nor the last nuke ... hope yer doing what you can rather that missing the point etc: That 'ole terrorism thing's been and gone, background music, now.
Get used to it and pay attention to the new nuclear reality.
If he did then some of the big projects would just switch and the negative publicity would hurt.
...
Its a free market, this free software lark - if people want to they can take cvs and build a free bit keeper competitor
You are defining it as "free from being hassled about the choices you make even though they may impact upon aothers freedoms in the future"
This is unheard of in the western world where lobbyists and pressure groups act as our eyes and ears, keeping tabs on the decisions that people make - especially when, being people, they are inclined to take the odd short-term view for expediancies sake.
Ok so the man's got tourettes, so what - its a disease ... :-)
His point is totally correct. That the per minute costs of cellular calls and the current absence (or one-network availability of gprs services means that you treat each data call as a luxury. I had a nokia 9010 - sure you could surf the web - it really worked - except who hangs around at 25p(40cents?) per minute?
I agree that the internet is a leveller in terms of access but I am not sure I agree that this is the only issue.
...
The point is 'who do you trust'. Many people have stopped trusting certain corporations or even coroporations from an entire sector. Corps already pay writers to do pr - it doesn't work though because people have got wind of 'motive'. If you like, everyone is now familiar with the thought "well, you would say that"
To eliminate some of this suspicion, firms are now inventing fake universities and colleges, think tanks etc in order to be able to say "see - its not just us who think that this is safe - look at this university report".
People *can* read individual repostes as you say but it seems human nature (and the Big Corps know this) to trust info from institutions or organisations more than that of individuals.
Redhat wants to grow, to get a stable and growing income base to: pay off their investors and banks and to give incentives to people to keep owning and buying redhat shares.
In capitalism, winner takes all or most anyway, especially the big winners, the dominant players.
They also attract yet more investors - the really really big ones, the insurers, the pension funds.
Got bugger all to do with open source. Thats just the product on sale. In time, redhat may sell other products, the evolving corporation.