Much as I like open windows, many things going on (thanks Linus), I do wonder if your work habits could use a revamp more then your computer speed.............I use an Eeepc and just today I had a OpenOffice document open, a dictionary, Firefox, and was touching up some pictures with Gimp. Never felt slow really, and remember my 701 has a 650mhz processor. My desktop box is just an Athlon XP 3200 from about 4 years ago and it doesnt bother me.......so maybe you have a Dell?
I wouldnt say that at all. Nothing visual, not much studio. And while I'm thinking about visual programming might I suggest this diversion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KIZQzYSls
From 1990 no less.
You take that back. I would deal with something worthwhile, such as XFCE, but Gnome is not capable of taking KDE's place. KDE is like an artists kit, while Gnome is like the little cup of half broken crayons you get at the restaurant. Seriously, KDE is one of the main reasons I find a linux environment productive.
Gnome isnt falling behind, its always been behind. Gnome drives me nuts because there just isnt power there (well its getting better). KDE, configurable but not easily configurable, yet with KIO slaves, seemless interaction, clicking options up the wazoo, shortcuts, drag and drop options, menu items, linking, I could go on for days. Gnome was like a sleepy, well Gnome. Not much going on, maybe dependable at best.
Follow that link to get this quote: it tries to closely follow the GNOME philosophy of "our users are morons."
Busted up laughing, as a KDE user I think that almost sums up how I feel about Gnome, oh except for the sharp stick in the eye after trying to get Gnome to do anything productive.
The chess surprised me, so did the flight sims. To each his own I guess, why not dual boot for games or use wine?
But for the others: I haven't had any problem editing video. For media burning you are WAY off, its windows that doesnt have anything decent. K3B + KDE is a killer combo, rip, read, burn, create, no problem. (When was Nero still decent about 4 years ago and then it went to hell). I assume you mean photo editing, GIMP, Cinepaint, and Krita handle everything for me. Scribus, Xara, and Inkscape handle the vector graphics.
Office? Moving the business over to OpenOffice was a godsend, I was writing 2-500 page grants and frankly Word is not competent for more then a letter. OO spreadsheets integrate better too. And you can output in PDF directly.
Palm (do people still use those?) There are a lot of tools, and remember they implemented several plugins and color schemes long before Palm did. And Mobile phone? Yep got that covered too, can grab address books, dial, monitor batteries and answer calls. Pretty simple.
NTFS? if you move over why would you want it? Reading is stable, writing is reported to be decent.
The Pony, well maybe a Penguin:)
If your serious about security and you dont want to get locked into software (Office) the sooner you break free, and as more people move, the faster the improvements and enhancements come.
"I really would like to move, but it would change what I'm able to do." Well thats true: You get more on the one hand, you lose some on the other. But over these last 6 years its clear that doing nothing will leave you with the same result you have now: problems that your choice of software company could care less about.
Out of curiosity, I abandoned the Crazy Train that is windows about 5 years ago moved the business and the home computers over to Linux. Things keep getting better year after year... what are you waiting for?
No its not. You have all the configs and settings of Gnome with the parts that make up KDE not KDE-Kubuntu. I am not the first to do this, its not a new idea.
You know this is an interesting question. I dont care for Ubuntu very much, Gnome drives me nuts, and it all feels so Toy like. I always am concerned that no one will really see the power of Linux and how good it can be if they use Ubuntu. HOWEVER, it seems to be popular perhaps for some of the very same reasons I dont like it.
I use Linux at home and ran a business with linux servers and linux on the desktop. My wife and child use linux. WHY? Because windows is a pain in the neck. My software is community tested and approved by my distribution (I use Debian and KDE). Windows gets in my way, Linux combines things to work with me.
I started writing a long paragraph explaining the pro's and cons' but screw that.
Its all one simple fact: Linux is development for developers and users. Microsoft just wants to screw you and make a buck. For example in music and forced upgrades, and DRM, and closing source of drivers, well you get the idea. Its that simple. The sooner off the crazy train that is windows the better.
Funny, this is ALWAYS how my experience is with Ubuntu. Slightly odd to annoying, then flaky. Here I have a Debian Sid machine that I have been pulling along for years and it is seems much more predictable then Ubuntu stable.
I would imagine so as my older 701 Black Eeepc has a vga out. Great thing too, I can give presentations at conferences then watch a movie or TV show on the TV in the room (as they all are going flat panel and have VGA). I kept Xandros on it though, I like the way its set up, although I did add more repositories and toggle between easy and advanced desktops as needed. I cant imagine using XP on anything, but much less on this device. The ICE wm and Icon system is set up nicely, if anything I am annoyed that they made it too much like windows. However, if I was in the market for one now, and saw that they were offering an XP one, they would have lost me altogether, I wouldnt bother buying one at all.
I agree completely. Never use Kubuntu as a comparison for KDE vs Gnome. Kubuntu blows. Hard. If I have to use Ubuntu and I want KDE I will add it and configure it myself. Try a KDE based Ubuntu like Mint, or go for a debian base like Mepis or Sidux, or maybe Sabayon. Its amazing what happens when the underlying system is set up with a nicely configured KDE desktop. There are MANY Kde desktops out there that you wouldnt even recognize as KDE.
Funny, I like KDE better too. But one of the reasons is that they get single clicking right, and its functional. Why you change it to double clicking is beyond me, KDE actually works very well this way, unlike Gnome or Windows. What you want carpal tunnel? Web browsers aren't double clicking: keep it consistent.
Easy on the eyes and hands? Maybe. Useful? No. I am so "stumped" as to why people like Gnome. I have used both, and in the end Gnome ALWAYS drives me nuts. Its like KDE went to college: a little smug, a little brash, but smart. And Gnome, well its like 3rd grade. It plods along, doesnt do much, certainly cant be taught anything. There is so much missing from gnome I don't even know where to start. Five minutes with it doing anything productive and I am cursing it, similar to the feeling I get with windows. KDE has a few rough edges, a bit complicated to configure, but once done, there is power there.
Windows isn't perfect, but it's so far ahead of linux on
the normal every day desktop experience it just isn't funny. Exactly
opposite my experience, over and over again. Installation? I would take
a linux install any day with MOST of the current Distro's. Just this
past week I did this for someone else and even the end user was very
excited with how easy it was to use. I was on the same machine, set up
to dual boot, and the Windows side took A LOT more work. Anyway we have
heard all this before. So lets get back to your point, it may,of
course depend on the Desktop environment you use, but I would have to
say Windows is so far behind my Desktop Environment it just
isnt funny I curse windows any time I have to use it.
Examples?
I alt-print screen and then paste into a folder. My OS/WM
knows its a bitmap
I create a new OpenOffice document, and when I rename it I
dont have to deal with the extension, it doesnt write over that
(although for most things I dont need an extension anyways!)
Files can be moved around and manipulated in dozens of
ways and smoothly go from one app to another, or I can pipe with a
shell
Most printers, are set up just by plugging them in (this
was a MAJOR hassle on the windows side of the computer I set up)
Antivirus and Spyware? Whats that?
I can put a window behind another by mouse clicking on it
Move to different desktops to accomplish tasks without
disrupting my workflow on my main desktop
Copy and paste without having to right click
Spell checking is integrated, in my language, and
available for all programs to use
The web browser can access files, web services,
applications, and directories
My file format does not get fragmented (NTFS- Nice Try at
a File System)
Users are easy to back up and migrate to new computers
Delete files while they are in use, and update (in most
cases) without a reboot
If I choose to use a shell, it has a history and real tab
completion and color coding
When a file with a simular name and type is copied in the
directory I get an option to view the metadata, see the picture, or
hear the song to make an informed decision about what I should do, and
it offers to automatically rename the file
desktop windows can go to full size, or maximize in a
horizontal or vertical plane
I can leave all my windows open and shut down the
computer, and they open back up automatically
Thats off the top of my head. And give me a break about the MP3 thing,
windows media player is no saint, it can't play DVD's without a codec
either, and it will do the usual windows routine of offering to find a
codec that it of course can not. But it will waste your time looking
for it. You have to hunt and search for codecs in Windows for lots of
different formats. For example I use flac, its included in my distro by
default, but windows? Nope.
So lets get serious: Windows, by default, is so far behind
linux with a good desktop environment, that its not even in the
running.
And for the record, I am not an Ubuntu fan, and don't think
it's a good example of a powerful environment, albeit an easy one to
use.
Linux matters as part of client side apps. Maybe if we used Linux to its full potential we wouldn't be talking about web applications, but still be talking about server/client systems. Few admins, server side applications, central security models, true roaming profiles, single backup and redundancy systems. Heck even 3d desktops http://davelargo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html (City of Largo Blog). Yes, the OS matters, and currently the best one for flexability, reliability, and cost is Linux, just not in the way most people are using it.
The f-----g dog scratches his ear.
Maybe it would have been more obvious if he licked his balls instead.
I think he wanted to, but couldn't find them, much like every other windows search.
You don't need to grab the edge. Just select the cells you want (they turn black) then click anywhere in the selection and drag them over. I switched to Open Office years ago when I was writing grants and it worked so much better on the longer documents. I don't like the way MS office deals with pasting Excel cells into Word. Also, word doesn't let you import data by simply drag and drop, you must select import data then the path to the data file.
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Much as I like open windows, many things going on (thanks Linus), I do wonder if your work habits could use a revamp more then your computer speed.............I use an Eeepc and just today I had a OpenOffice document open, a dictionary, Firefox, and was touching up some pictures with Gimp. Never felt slow really, and remember my 701 has a 650mhz processor. My desktop box is just an Athlon XP 3200 from about 4 years ago and it doesnt bother me.......so maybe you have a Dell?
I wouldnt say that at all. Nothing visual, not much studio. And while I'm thinking about visual programming might I suggest this diversion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KIZQzYSls From 1990 no less.
Oh come on, that old joke. Everyone knows that its Extreme Tux Racer Now! http://www.extremetuxracer.com/ And dont forget SuperTuxKart! http://supertuxkart.sourceforge.net/
Why not just get SeaMonkey and be done with it?
Opera on desktop: Ho Humm. I would rather have Konq or FF. But Opera on Mobile (or on my Zaurus) ROCKS. They got it right.
You take that back. I would deal with something worthwhile, such as XFCE, but Gnome is not capable of taking KDE's place. KDE is like an artists kit, while Gnome is like the little cup of half broken crayons you get at the restaurant. Seriously, KDE is one of the main reasons I find a linux environment productive.
Gnome isnt falling behind, its always been behind. Gnome drives me nuts because there just isnt power there (well its getting better). KDE, configurable but not easily configurable, yet with KIO slaves, seemless interaction, clicking options up the wazoo, shortcuts, drag and drop options, menu items, linking, I could go on for days. Gnome was like a sleepy, well Gnome. Not much going on, maybe dependable at best.
I would mod you up if I could...The site is confusing and piss poor. My first thought.
Google tells you where banks are. If a bank is robbed, it must be Googles fault!
Let's start with Pidgin's UI Sucks>
Follow that link to get this quote: it tries to closely follow the GNOME philosophy of "our users are morons."Busted up laughing, as a KDE user I think that almost sums up how I feel about Gnome, oh except for the sharp stick in the eye after trying to get Gnome to do anything productive.
Only if KDE gets a fair shot: i.e. not Kubuntu some other distro.
The chess surprised me, so did the flight sims. To each his own I guess, why not dual boot for games or use wine? But for the others: I haven't had any problem editing video. For media burning you are WAY off, its windows that doesnt have anything decent. K3B + KDE is a killer combo, rip, read, burn, create, no problem. (When was Nero still decent about 4 years ago and then it went to hell). I assume you mean photo editing, GIMP, Cinepaint, and Krita handle everything for me. Scribus, Xara, and Inkscape handle the vector graphics. Office? Moving the business over to OpenOffice was a godsend, I was writing 2-500 page grants and frankly Word is not competent for more then a letter. OO spreadsheets integrate better too. And you can output in PDF directly. Palm (do people still use those?) There are a lot of tools, and remember they implemented several plugins and color schemes long before Palm did. And Mobile phone? Yep got that covered too, can grab address books, dial, monitor batteries and answer calls. Pretty simple. NTFS? if you move over why would you want it? Reading is stable, writing is reported to be decent. The Pony, well maybe a Penguin :)
If your serious about security and you dont want to get locked into software (Office) the sooner you break free, and as more people move, the faster the improvements and enhancements come.
"I really would like to move, but it would change what I'm able to do." Well thats true: You get more on the one hand, you lose some on the other. But over these last 6 years its clear that doing nothing will leave you with the same result you have now: problems that your choice of software company could care less about.
Out of curiosity, I abandoned the Crazy Train that is windows about 5 years ago moved the business and the home computers over to Linux. Things keep getting better year after year... what are you waiting for?
No its not. You have all the configs and settings of Gnome with the parts that make up KDE not KDE-Kubuntu. I am not the first to do this, its not a new idea.
You know this is an interesting question. I dont care for Ubuntu very much, Gnome drives me nuts, and it all feels so Toy like. I always am concerned that no one will really see the power of Linux and how good it can be if they use Ubuntu. HOWEVER, it seems to be popular perhaps for some of the very same reasons I dont like it.
I use Linux at home and ran a business with linux servers and linux on the desktop. My wife and child use linux. WHY? Because windows is a pain in the neck. My software is community tested and approved by my distribution (I use Debian and KDE). Windows gets in my way, Linux combines things to work with me. I started writing a long paragraph explaining the pro's and cons' but screw that.
Its all one simple fact: Linux is development for developers and users. Microsoft just wants to screw you and make a buck. For example in music and forced upgrades, and DRM, and closing source of drivers, well you get the idea. Its that simple. The sooner off the crazy train that is windows the better.
Funny, this is ALWAYS how my experience is with Ubuntu. Slightly odd to annoying, then flaky. Here I have a Debian Sid machine that I have been pulling along for years and it is seems much more predictable then Ubuntu stable.
Too bad its the ugly stepchild of Ubuntu, and I always had better luck starting with Ubuntu and adding KDE (apt-get install KDE).
Frankly, I would rather go for a distro that puts its effort into a KDE based system as I prefer KDE over Gnome, but lets not go there now.
I would imagine so as my older 701 Black Eeepc has a vga out. Great thing too, I can give presentations at conferences then watch a movie or TV show on the TV in the room (as they all are going flat panel and have VGA). I kept Xandros on it though, I like the way its set up, although I did add more repositories and toggle between easy and advanced desktops as needed. I cant imagine using XP on anything, but much less on this device. The ICE wm and Icon system is set up nicely, if anything I am annoyed that they made it too much like windows. However, if I was in the market for one now, and saw that they were offering an XP one, they would have lost me altogether, I wouldnt bother buying one at all.
I agree completely. Never use Kubuntu as a comparison for KDE vs Gnome. Kubuntu blows. Hard. If I have to use Ubuntu and I want KDE I will add it and configure it myself. Try a KDE based Ubuntu like Mint, or go for a debian base like Mepis or Sidux, or maybe Sabayon. Its amazing what happens when the underlying system is set up with a nicely configured KDE desktop. There are MANY Kde desktops out there that you wouldnt even recognize as KDE.
Funny, I like KDE better too. But one of the reasons is that they get single clicking right, and its functional. Why you change it to double clicking is beyond me, KDE actually works very well this way, unlike Gnome or Windows. What you want carpal tunnel? Web browsers aren't double clicking: keep it consistent.
Easy on the eyes and hands? Maybe. Useful? No. I am so "stumped" as to why people like Gnome. I have used both, and in the end Gnome ALWAYS drives me nuts. Its like KDE went to college: a little smug, a little brash, but smart. And Gnome, well its like 3rd grade. It plods along, doesnt do much, certainly cant be taught anything. There is so much missing from gnome I don't even know where to start. Five minutes with it doing anything productive and I am cursing it, similar to the feeling I get with windows. KDE has a few rough edges, a bit complicated to configure, but once done, there is power there.
Examples?
Thats off the top of my head. And give me a break about the MP3 thing, windows media player is no saint, it can't play DVD's without a codec either, and it will do the usual windows routine of offering to find a codec that it of course can not. But it will waste your time looking for it. You have to hunt and search for codecs in Windows for lots of different formats. For example I use flac, its included in my distro by default, but windows? Nope.
So lets get serious: Windows, by default, is so far behind linux with a good desktop environment, that its not even in the running.
And for the record, I am not an Ubuntu fan, and don't think it's a good example of a powerful environment, albeit an easy one to use.
Linux matters as part of client side apps.
Maybe if we used Linux to its full potential we wouldn't be talking about web applications, but still be talking about server/client systems. Few admins, server side applications, central security models, true roaming profiles, single backup and redundancy systems. Heck even 3d desktops http://davelargo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html (City of Largo Blog). Yes, the OS matters, and currently the best one for flexability, reliability, and cost is Linux, just not in the way most people are using it.
Maybe it would have been more obvious if he licked his balls instead.
I think he wanted to, but couldn't find them, much like every other windows search.
You don't need to grab the edge. Just select the cells you want (they turn black) then click anywhere in the selection and drag them over. I switched to Open Office years ago when I was writing grants and it worked so much better on the longer documents. I don't like the way MS office deals with pasting Excel cells into Word. Also, word doesn't let you import data by simply drag and drop, you must select import data then the path to the data file.