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Microsoft Pulls Vista SP1 Update
1shooter writes "news.com reports that Microsoft is withdrawing SP1 for Vista. Nick White, Microsoft product manager blogged 'We've heard a few reports about problems customers may be experiencing as a result of KB937287,' wrote White. 'Immediately after receiving reports of this error, we made the decision to temporarily suspend automatic distribution of the update to avoid further customer impact while we investigate possible causes.'"
>Nice White, Microsoft product manager...
...and videotape his unedited response?
Could some please inform Dave Chapelle of this person's name?
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C'mon guys, the e isn't anywhere near the k on the keyboard!
What happened to problems with KB938371? Their little Windows Update updater that paves the way for the SP1 update is causing big problems here where I work- I'm looking at 3 machines right now that it's refusing to install on.
If they imagine Vista to be a horrible cancer, and SP1 to be chemotheraphy, then this all seems better. Sure, it's going to make some sick and die, but for a few, it's going to be a cure for their problems. I say let it out and let people take their chances.
The MS Product Manager for Vista is named "Nice White".
Let me rephrase this: the ugliest, most user-unfriendly OS out there is managed by a guy named "Nice".
Bada-Bing! Thank you, I'll be here all week. Feel free to mod me down, now.
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I saw this on the firehose last night and it confused me then, it should have been edited.
The problem is not SP1, but rather an update for Windows Update/installation that is being installed in anticipation of SP1 next month. It's a required upgrade to run SP1, but it is not SP1 itself.
Poor Microsoft...why can't they seem to get things right from the beginning? With all that money and power, they should be able to develope higher quality software. It just doesn't make sense why they wouldn't or can't.
An update that makes things worse from Microsoft? Who would have thunk it? L2QualityTest imo. At least they are pulling it before it gets any worse.
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Even though they pulled out, infections were inevitable.
KB943899 plays havoc with laptops with misconfigured AHCI devices as well. This isn't reduced performance or anything trival like that; we're talking about full blown "cannot find boot device" BSODs on reboot.
I had to turn off automatic updates to stop the update from installing.
They're pulling the service pack because one of the pre-requisite patches you need to install before the service pack can even be applied is causing hard disk errors and requiring re-formats, although you can use the Vista CD to repair those errors, unless you paid for the downloadable version which doesn't come on a CD, and it only affects a minority of users in "unique circumstances" to begin with.
I love these guys.
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So there was a story about TechNet users wanting, and being denied, early access to SP1 -- apparently specifically so they could do battle testing. I don't know much about TechNet, but I'm guessing those are pretty much the most tech-savvy bundle of customers Microsoft can easily assemble. Why did Microsoft decide to skip the public beta phase with a bunch of expert customers with diverse operating environments and go straight to the world at large?
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...how Vista is going to dramatically lower TCO, and require less maintenance.
Two words for you: EPIC FAIL!
Note the last paragraph of the article: `According to Microsoft's White: "This problem only affects a small number of customers in unique circumstances."'
I find this a rather incredulous claim considering that in my part-time job providing support to laptop users at my university I had two users with the problem on the same day within an hour of each other. Entirely different laptops, but both fixed with a system restore to before the updates.
of course, the quick fix will be SP1a temporary.
5 out of 6 times it performs as intended. Those are good odds, right?
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SP1 was waiting for me this morning. The installation took quite a while but it appears to have worked OK. This is for Vista Home Premium x64 (I needed 4GB+ RAM support). Maybe it'll be a little less unstable now. Vista had me seriously considering giving up video games so I could run Linux on my workstation instead (yes, I know about Cedega/Wine). Come on Epic, where's your UT3 Linux client...
Anyhow, either I just missed the cutoff or Microsoft hasn't really suspended SP1 distribution. I didn't RTFA.
It's NICK White, not NICE white. Typo in the /. write-up.
As long as no one at microsoft is riding dragons and turning up at Aslevjal, I'll not worry just yet
... I suppose that depends on how you define winning the game. :)
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It's not the full SP1, that's true. HOWEVER, it is still part of SP1.
And it most certainly should be pulled. I had a machine that got stuck in a reboot loop, although thankfully not quite the same way that other people have.
In my case, it would install the update, reboot, renotice the update, install the update, reboot, renotice the update, install the update, reboot...
I solved the problem by killing updates altogether. Now I have to manually run Windows Update, but that's a small price to pay for being able to actually use the machine.
'Course, $300 would be a small price to pay to get a working copy of XP to make the machine actually worthwhile, but for some strange reason no one seems to want to sell XP any more, almost like the manufacturer is bullying them...
In any case, this IS SP1! It's the first part of it. It's not the full thing, that hasn't been release yet. But it is the very first part of SP1 that all Vista machines require.
I'll hand it to Microsoft, though, the infinitely reboot loop was the first time I really experienced "the wow."
It's installing SP1 for me right now. Stage 2 of 3 1% complete - I am on Vista Ultimate x64. I was too scared when I just read this "Pulls SP1 update" thing but reading your post gives me some hope.
What, at this late stage Microsoft does not have a QA department? Or, rather, is it that MS's internal QA department is so used to releasing crap code that they considered this as business as normal. How bad is it--when people (who already know never to buy version 1.0 of anything Microsoft) now think they will have to wait not only for version 1.2 of something MS but version 2 of the Service Pack.
I was about to install SP1 tonight, after downloading it from MSDN. Does this mean I should hold off, or does it only affect people who were going to get it over Windows Update? The write-up seems a bit unclear.
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for anyone using betaware's clearly no geek,
and when users ask and pray for microsoft vista
you can then say, "can't say I've miss for ya"
SP1 was waiting for me this morning as well. I haven't yet installed it though. I have Ultimate 64. For me, stability has never been a concern and I am running an overclocked e8400 with 8gb of RAM. The system is very smooth. I haven't had any problems running games.. and the few games that I have run in DX10 are pretty nice looking compared to their DX9 versions. If you read the rhetoric on Slashdot you'll think Vista is a complete failure. I decided to try Vista for this new build, despite reading this rhetoric, because I knew that a great majority of the Slashdot posters who post about a Microsoft product have not in fact used the product. Slashdot readers are actually more herdlike and less independent than one might think.
I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
At least it's doing something right, then!
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not Vista! this story. As others have already pointed out SP1 hasn't been pulled at all. Now you've wasted your time reading this rant about made up stories wasting my time.
It's Hell.
... right on time!
Good work, boys! Surely this posting will take down Microsoft THIS time!
We're trying to bash Microsoft here. Stop being so damned reasonable!
you can use the Vista CD to repair those errors, unless you paid for the downloadable version which doesn't come on a CD
Some poster way up the page linked to a fix for those without a CD. Here's the short version:
Anyone "savvy" enough to install Windows over the tubes should know about safe mode, the most enduring feature from Windows 95. ^.^
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Well, at least you guys are consistant when it comes to reporting MS stuff. Terrible as always.
MS is not pulling SP1. In fact as of this morning it is available to many through windows update.
KB937287 is not SP1, but a prerequisite patch that a handful of users have had issues with installing. This is the patch that the actual article is refering to.
SP1 pre-upgrade service patch install patch service upgrade install patch doesn't work. So what? Who cares? Operating systems and (ick) code are so ... 80s.
This is the new millenium; this is the new Microsoft. How are ad revenues? What's our advertising market share? We are gonna f***ing kill Google!!
Because you can test on ten thousand combinations of software and hardware and still hit less than 1% of the possible system configurations that exist?*
What, they can't test BOTH machines out there?
*Numbers from my arse - you get my point, though.
D'oh!
So much for the ol', "I'm just gonna wait until the first service pack irons out all the major bugs," people eh? That sure turned out well :P
"8gb of RAM"
all things aside about the performance and stability of a computer, 4 or even 8GB of RAM to run an OS decently is a crime. Now I know you can run it with 2GB fine if you don't play many games, but even still I'm still happy with my XP Pro with 2GB of RAM and thats all I need for gaming, escpecially since there's not yet any real benefit to directX 10.
They are not pulling SP1, they are pulling a pre-requisite for SP1.
I, too, have 8GB of RAM in my home desktop, but only 2GB in my home laptop. Both run Vista quite well. Why 8GB? Tons and tons of VMware virtual machines running all the time for testing. I doubt that the original poster was implying that Vista requires 8GB of RAM!
Is that 'pulls' as in "pulls a prank" or "pulls a stunt"? I feel like Vista was a prank all around.
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...why a Microsoft OS Service Pack has a prerequisite update ??? Up until now, you could install a NT service pack onto an RTM/Gold/"SP0" installation of an OS (NT 3.1, 3.5x, 4.0, 2000, XP)... Not anymore???
What about slipstreaming SP1 onto the installation media? I can't see how that's possible anymore if you need to now install RTM (which may have serious compatibility problems with a piece of hardware) then have to pray that SP1 can be applied...
Vista seems more clusterfuck-ish every day!
Windows 3.1x calc: 3.11 - 3.10 = 0.00
I couldn't visit the website in your sig to find out what your beef is
Try:
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Thanks for letting me know about the spelling error.
I assume that you're also against affirmative action for non-rednecks.
I am just making a comparison. Whether its a good thing or not is another topic.
Table-ized A.I.
So, it sucked to begin with (sucked resources, power, etc.) and then the fix makes it worse?
Is Microsoft officially a government entity now?
"Teach a man to build a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life."
Microsoft is NOT pulling SP1. They are pulling a windows-update pushed installer update. Without this update you can still install it by the traditional download and run method, just not with windows update.... (and it won't uninstall (snicker) cleanly.)
:)
I hate Vista as much as the next girl, but can we get the facts straight? There are plenty of legitimate reasons to bash Vista. Making up new ones is unnecessary.
-ellie
Vista SP1 FAIL! http://wwwfail.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftechtoday.110mb.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F08%2Fvista-sp1.png
And slashdot needs to pull this headline. SP1 is not being withdrawn from release next March.
Actually, I just received a technet flash today that announces availability of Vista SP1 for all Technet subscribers, which is different from "news" featured earlier here.
Also worth mentioning is that in the TN flash was a link to Russinovich's blog on the way Vista RTM and SP1 handles file copy operations (http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=8345230)
If you want to know about this sort of stuff, find a source other than slashdot. MS's newsletters are more accurate for chrissake.
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Wow, not only is KB937287 not SP1 and SP1 is not being pulled KB937287 hasn't been pulled either, or is at least currently on windows update. I just ran Windows update on my Dad's PC and KB937287 just installed. So to recap.
SP1 isn't being pulled.
KB937287 isn't SP1 and is a prereq for installing SP1 via Windows Update.
As of Feb 21 1PM EST KB937287 is still available through Windows Update.
As of Feb 21 11AM EST SP1, at least for 64bit versions of Vista, is available through Windows Update.
So, this Article and Slashdot summary is wrong in every meaningful way.
I use a dvorak keyboard, you insensitive clod!
I always wonder why they initial it with "KB"? Does that mean kick butt? Or should they really be "BK"?
I woke up to SP1 on my Vista Ultimate 64 desktop as well...I instantly checked my laptop (which is running 32 bit Vista), but it was not installed there. It seems they are only giving it to the 64 bit people.
;-)). Anyway, my point is: with the price of RAM now, who gives a shit? I just bought 4GB of PC-6400 RAM for my new laptop, and it only cost $90 . So what's the big deal?
But to all the people bitching about the "ridiculous" amount of RAM the Vista "needs", what is your problem? Vista runs great with 2 GB of RAM. Sure, in my desktop PC I have 4 gigs...but that's just the type of person I am. I would have just as much if I was running XP...(well, only 3 gigs I guess
Vista is too complicated, and Vista support people, like the parent poster above, don't make it any easier (I know you tried, Rary).
I am sticking to my Windows ME.
>Come on Epic, where's your UT3 Linux client...
Cowering in fear ov being spawnraped by Splash Damage's Quake Wars Linux client.
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But since "you started it"; validate your info. MS dropped the WGA+IE7 requirement last fall.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/05/0444205
No sig for you!!
It looks like Vista remains the (pre-installed) laptop version of Windows.
I second that. SP1 installed 5 minutes ago. It took approximately 15 minutes, while step 3 hung up on 0%, it jumped to 40%. If you rebooted your comp during this it's your own fault if it endlessly reboots when it clearly says "don't power off of your computer." Running Vista Home Premium x64, E6750 OCd to 3.0GHz, 4GB RAM
True that! I like to think of the slashdot crowd as the "anti-herd". We're still a herd, just in another direction. When it comes down to it, I think a lot of it comes from a "root for your team" type thought pattern. Although on average, slashdot users do have much more rounded OS experience than the general Windows using populace, so make sure to set your expectations appropriately between the two.
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
Gee.
Gosh.
What a surprise.
My brother just bought a Vista machine after I specifically told him *not* to buy Vista, but to get an XP machine instead. Of course he insisted he HAS to have the newest thing (never mind that new often equals buggy). But does he listen to his engineer brother's expertise??? No because he's a truck driver, and of course a truck driver knows better than an engineer, because truck drivers use computers all the time, and.....
Ahem.
Anyway. I swear his vista machine with 3 gigahertz processor runs *slower* than my 0.4 gigahertz laptop with Windows 98!
Win98 > Vista in speed?
Sad. Vista's a kludge.
I'll stick with XP thank you.
XP is not perfect, but runs a lot faster than Vista ever will. So Vista's Service Pack 1 caused problems for users? Gee. Shocking.
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I thought the author of the FUD would have been kdawson but it turns out to be Malda! What's the point of editors if they don't even bother to check the facts, read the stories etc?
I handle IT for a civil engineering firm, and we've been loading our new machines with Vista. For the curious, I've built all the machines myself in house, and we've had virtually no problems so far (aside from initially experimenting with 64 bit, our Autodesk programs wouldn't run properly in 64 bit). However, on the most recent machine, we decided to try SP1 to see how it worked with our software. I loaded the machine on the 10th, and KB937287 came out on the 12th. When we loaded the machine on the 10th, it worked perfectly, just like all the others we've loaded with Vista, with slight performance improvements in some areas (mostly file operations like copying and saving). However, after KB937287 installed, Autodesk Civil 3D 2008 would crash with unhandled exception fatal errors every time it started. I uninstalled all the new updates (wasn't sure which one it was at the time), uninstalled SP1, and all was well. Then, the update server reinstalled KB937287 (other non-SP1 Vista machines had installed it just fine, so I assumed it would work). The fatal errors started right back up. Apparently, the SP1 uninstall doesn't quite work as advertised, so now I have to come in over the weekend to reload the machine.
The funny thing is, I have 64-bit Vista Ultimate at home, and I already installed SP1 on it before installing KB937287, and it is working fine. Of course, I haven't tried C3D on it, but no problems for me so far.
It is not "Windows Vista". It's a "Windows Update" patch that is a pre-requisite. But it's not SP1.
Sheesh. People can write anythng to make their point. Even if it's not true.
It's a sad state of affairs when your service pack needs a service pack. What ever happened to quality control?!?
Have you looked at the prices of DDR2 RAM recently? Like...2 GB DDR2-800 for $30 if you catch the deals.
I've thought about buying 4 gigs of it, just because I can. It would help in games and complement the fast dual core I have when I want to Not Care that I'm Running 10 Apps at the Same Time that I shouldn't be. I haven't yet, though, because I know that by the time I buy an OS to support more than 3 gigs, it will be even cheaper. 4 or 8, depends on how much free cash I have at the time.
I don't get it. Steve must hate us. I read about our mother company's products first here no /. than on the internal mail -.-
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"I'm looking at 3 machines right now that it's refusing to install on."
Who says we have to wait for SkyNet? The age of intelligent machines has begun!
8gb of ram? finally we know what the true specs of Vista are!
WTF? This morning my Windows update pushed KB936330, "Windows Vista Service Pack 1 for x64-based systems". Was this a mistake, or has SP1 for Vista-64 been released to the public?
how come this post isn't modded +1 Funny? I coulda sworn this was a joke. 8 gigs!
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
So.... based on your experience Vista is a success.... so all the problems that other people have run into must be made up!!! It's probably a conspiracy to discredit the altruistic, free market loving, quality assuring Microsoft corp. The file transfer speed issues only affect people who transfer files (lamers), the DRM issues only affect people who own modern digital devices (bah), the crippled version only hurts the poor and/or stupid (hah), the hit and miss backwards compatibility only bothers those who want to use old software (and since all software ever made has been rewritten for Vista, this is a non-issue), the more intrusive WGA only affects people who actually bought their copies (idiots), the larger overhead only.... damn I'm already tired of this... I'm gonna go play a game on my Wii because my favorite MS games don't run under Vista (OK, I guess I am not really tired of this!)
It's over 9000!!!!111oneone
Does that mean demolish or get the firemen out?
It has been downloaded automatically and OS asked me to install it.
After 5-minute contemplation, I hit YES button.
~30 minutes later everything was installed and my system is fine.
I have to see any difference yet.
So far it's the same as before (great, in my case).
My rig is admittedly modern:
Eight 3.16 GHz cores (2 x Quad Penryn Xeons).
24 GB RAM.
Quadro FX4600.
Two 10K RPM Raptors in RAID-0.
I never had any complains for Vista with this PC.
Actually (gasp!)I like it better then my previous XP-x64 and my home SUSE 10.0 (yes, the next to 9.3 one).
Everything flies and spins INCREDIBLY smoothly.
Interestingly enough, my notebook's Vista-32 says no updates so far.
I guess MS applied breaks for x32 version only.
Well, I'm somewhat soured on Vista for one reason (and only one, so far)... When I try to copy the 6.5 megabytes of content from a locally stored zip file to a local folder, it takes (no hyperbole here) over 1 hour (I waited for it to complete while on the phone waiting for MS tech support to pick up). On my other PC, with XP, it takes less than 15 seconds for the same file. I wish I still had a windows 3.1 system around so that I could use that as a comparison, just to rub it in their faces, I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't take more than a minute tops.
I have a fairly decent system too, dual core AMD 6000+, 2 gigs ram, raptor 10,000rpm hard drive, etc..
It boggles my mind that a supposedly 'cutting edge' operating system is doing file transfers at a maximum of 3KB/sec (more often in the hundreds of bytes/sec). I've known ancient floppy drives with faster transfer rates.
I've been dealing with MS tech support for the past two days, in two hour sessions, with no resolution, and have had my request elevated twice now. Thankfully, all the tech support guys I've talked to so far have been very polite and understanding (and all Indian... strangely enough). We'll see if the next batch of Indian tech guys can get it figured out tomorrow morning.
All I know, is that if this problem doesn't get resolved for me real soon here, I'm going to go piss all over microsoft hq or something out of sheer frustration for my wasted hundreds of dollars.
gRRRR
If you run a QBASIC DirectX software renderer under a JIT MS-DOS emulation in a computer with those specs you probably won't notice any difference either. Even if the JIT emulator is written in C#.
What chipset on the motherboard? I couldn't get Vista Ultimate x64 to work with 4GB of ram on an Intel DP965LT motherboard (obviously with a 965 chipset). I'd love to know the magic.
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I have 24 gigs, so what?
"news.com reports that Microsoft is withdrawing Vista" would have been nice.
Your sig still makes no sense. Electoral college is affirmative action for rednecks?? True rednecks aren't generally known for wearing expensive suits and participating in national politics and the only "southern accent" I've heard during this election was a fake one from Hillary Clinton. That, by the way, should have made everyone stop taking her seriously on a national level, but then the media has always been rather friendly to the Clintons.
And since you seem to lack the courage, I'll say whether any affirmative action is a good thing or not. To me, all race-based discrimination is wrong. You correct a wrong by understanding why it was wrong and preventing its reoccurrance, not by perpetuating that wrong but this time against a different class of victims. I would like to see a truly "colorblind" society, which would mean that employers/colleges/etc are not allowed to even consider race for any reason or no reason at all. Besides which, I have never seen a single instance of where a person has been improved (other than in a temporary, strictly material sense) by handing to them something which they did not earn. If you really want to help minorities, don't give them preferential treatment since the wise among them will recognize how insulting this really is while the foolish among them will have less incentive to better themselves and improve their job skills. Rather, try doing something about the high crime rate and the shitty schools of many urban areas, and the hopelessness and the anti-achievement homie-g-thug culture that tends to go along with them.