I think he was talking about hardware installation skills. If XP is crashing on you every 10 minutes, you obviously don't know how to install, configure, and troubleshoot hardware.
Upgrade an OS? apt-get dist-upgrade How do you upgrade OS X? How much do you pay to upgrade it?
What's the big deal with installing Linux apps? It's easy.
college kids? Where did you get that? Most OSS developers are experienced professionals with 10+ years experience.
OS X is great, but your points were mostly incorrect, except for this:
would rather do extraordinary work just to get simple stuff to work (DVDs, etc), then by all means stick with Linux.
I don't use Linux for this sort of thing, though I have before. But you're right that multimedia takes a small bit of configuration to get working. It's not that hard, though.
People who use F*ck as every fourth word in their diatribe however, are quite welcome I take it?
Is that all you have to criticize me on? My excessive use of profanities? That's about as effective as trying to fix my grammar/spelling. Try criticizing me on one of the points I made, not the language I used.
In any case, a flame is not complete without a good amount of "fuck you, you fucking fuck." And I'm not such a pansy bitch that I have to replace the u with a *.
This time, please do something really useful, not only doing such silly thing as DOS'ing windowsupdate Therefore, people will be *really* annoyed and may think it's time to switch to another more reliable OS.
You stupid prick, you think writing worms is a good way to get people to switch to a "more reliable OS"??!?? Do you realize how fucked up that is? Do you realize that its people like you who are keeping people away from Linux?
Its the stupid shits like you who are fucking up the open source community. Well guess what? We don't want your kind in our community. Get the fuck out. For all I care, you can go back to using Windows.
Open source will succeed by producing quality software, and by forming a community that is out to help people. It will NOT succeed by sabotaging the competition. Dirty tactics like that are for the truly evil. You're worse that Microsoft if you are advocating the use of worms to convince people to switch.
Standards compliance is part of the big picture. I think Amaya is more of an official reference implementation, but my point is why should Mozilla deviate from its goals when that's not part of its purpose? They didn't set out to make an IE-compatible browser, they set out to make a browser that follows the standards.
You can argue whether or not following the standards strictly is good or not, but the fact is if someone wanted to break standards, they can fork Mozilla and add all the IE-specific features. But don't expect the Mozilla project to do that. In any case, I personally would not want them to waste their limited resources on this.
That UU.net link for Firebird worked. Thanks. Firebird 0.7 is really fast, I'm impressed. It may actually be able to compete with Opera in terms of speed now.
I wish some people would take a reality check from time to time, you can't make utiopia and ignore the flaws of the real world. Not all the time, atleast.
You can try. Why give up on your goals just because some shitty banking site doesn't work? If someone really wanted to, they could fork Mozilla and make it work with IE's non-standards. Mozilla is meant as a reference implementation of a standards-compliant browser. At least they are trying to help the situation.
That's too bad. Although there are times where Mozilla works and Firebird doesn't, and vica versa, I've never had to use IE for anything since Mozilla 1.0. Everyone I know who has switched to Mozilla/Netscape prefers to use it over IE.
Bank of America's page works great. Fidelity's page works fine. BBandT are stupid pricks for limiting who can use their site.
Sites that only work in IE are exactly the reason other browsers are sticking to standards, and should stick to the standards.
Now university students can download lecture notes that suddenly cutoff after a few pages, and repeat over and over again. Or they will download what they think is course materials, only to find it is just a file that repeatedly says "what the fuck do you think you're doing?"
Yes, there are plenty of people who have low demands for connectivity, but very very few new customers in this market. All of these people already have dialup. Their next move will be to broadband..yes, even ma and pa Kettle.
People move to new areas and subscribe to new services. Think of people who previously lived with several other people and shared a [broadband] internet connection, who are moving away and living alone, but don't plan on using their account for much.
For me, I'd pay the extra bucks for broadband even if I were living alone, but that's not the case for everyone.
The market for dialup may not be growing, but the opportunity to compete is still there.
Yeah, Microsoft OS's are the only ones I've ever seen that actually degrade over time, even without installing new software. What's up with that? Does the software actually evaporate off the disk ?!?!
My guess is memory leaks causing constant crashing combined with the inadequacies of FAT32 allowing for filesystem corruption. Things are better with NTFS. Win2k/XP is generally stable enough with NTFS, but I've seen a WinXP installation using FAT32 quickly degrade to an unusable state the way Win95/98/ME tend to.
You don't think we'll be having bigger screens by then?
I still have a 17" CRT that I bought 7 years ago, you insensitive clod. You think we're going to have bigger screens? What about laptops, PDA's, etc? Large screens will never be cheap. A new technology will keep replacing the old, with even the small screens being expensive.
In any case, manuafactures of monitors will be happy with Microsoft wasting screen real estate.
That's one thing that's really holding you open source guys back. You don't dare to gamble on the capabilities of the future hardware.
Windows 98 crashed 3 times a day out of box. I mean, I bought a pre-built system from a major system builder, and it crashed within the first hour of use. It of course got progressively worse as time went on, where it would crash after about 1 hour of use, and would crash immediately if I used Internet Explorer (which I didn't use anyways). Thankfully, I had that copy of Slackware installed which worked flawlessly.
My Windows of choice is Win2k at the moment, but I would take XP over 98 any day.
Wrong. The point is 95% is a bullshit statistic. Its overblown by proxy servers and faked browser strings. The average user is in touch with the alternatives whether you think they are or not. I'm talking about people, for example, who bought a Dell with WinXP Home Edition to browse the web, chat/e-mail, write documents, play games, etc. If they understand how to install software, chances are they have replaced IE with something else because it is common knowledge that IE is a sucky-ass browser.
One person I know switched from IE to Netscape because she found that IE had a lot of trouble with Hotmail!
Another got sick of popups and switched to Mozilla and never looked back (yes, yes I know you can block popups in IE).
Everyone is using alternative browsers these days. Get with the times...
Lets face it, Debian is one of the hardest distributions to install on the fucking planet and it isn't even worth the hassle and time it takes to install it.
Sorry, but its a myth that Debian is hard to install. Especially when there are so many different installers that make it very easy to install (Knoppix, Libranet, LordSuch.com ISOLINUX, etc). I suppose then you can say you're not really using Debian if you install it with something else, but the end result is a Debian system.
in fact you'd be better off going with Lindows than Debian.
Guess what Lindows is based on? That's right, Debian! Xandros is another one based on Debian.
The thing about Debian is that its easy to USE. Once you have a working system, installing and configuring software is incredibly easy.
Sure, there are other great distros. I appreciate the good things about all of them. I am primarilly a Debian user, but I appreciate the good points of most of the distros.
Well, 95% of the world can suck my ass. No one I know uses IE, and these are all your average users. Everyone I know is using Netscape/Mozilla/Firebird, and a few using Opera, Konqueror, Safari.
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I think he was talking about hardware installation skills. If XP is crashing on you every 10 minutes, you obviously don't know how to install, configure, and troubleshoot hardware.
I use pornography to treat my sex phobia.
Ralph Nadar didn't have a chance.
yarrrrrrrr
drag and drop? that's too much work.
apt-get update ; apt-get -u upgrade
Upgrade an OS? apt-get dist-upgrade
How do you upgrade OS X? How much do you pay to upgrade it?
What's the big deal with installing Linux apps? It's easy.
college kids? Where did you get that? Most OSS developers are experienced professionals with 10+ years experience.
OS X is great, but your points were mostly incorrect, except for this:
would rather do extraordinary work just to get simple stuff to work (DVDs, etc), then by all means stick with Linux.
I don't use Linux for this sort of thing, though I have before. But you're right that multimedia takes a small bit of configuration to get working. It's not that hard, though.
People who use F*ck as every fourth word in their diatribe however, are quite welcome I take it?
Is that all you have to criticize me on? My excessive use of profanities? That's about as effective as trying to fix my grammar/spelling. Try criticizing me on one of the points I made, not the language I used.
In any case, a flame is not complete without a good amount of "fuck you, you fucking fuck." And I'm not such a pansy bitch that I have to replace the u with a *.
This time, please do something really useful, not only doing such silly thing as DOS'ing windowsupdate
Therefore, people will be *really* annoyed and may think it's time to switch to another more reliable OS.
You're the reason people think like this.
You stupid prick, you think writing worms is a good way to get people to switch to a "more reliable OS"??!?? Do you realize how fucked up that is? Do you realize that its people like you who are keeping people away from Linux?
Its the stupid shits like you who are fucking up the open source community. Well guess what? We don't want your kind in our community. Get the fuck out. For all I care, you can go back to using Windows.
Open source will succeed by producing quality software, and by forming a community that is out to help people. It will NOT succeed by sabotaging the competition. Dirty tactics like that are for the truly evil. You're worse that Microsoft if you are advocating the use of worms to convince people to switch.
Fuck you very much Verisign.
Standards compliance is part of the big picture. I think Amaya is more of an official reference implementation, but my point is why should Mozilla deviate from its goals when that's not part of its purpose? They didn't set out to make an IE-compatible browser, they set out to make a browser that follows the standards.
You can argue whether or not following the standards strictly is good or not, but the fact is if someone wanted to break standards, they can fork Mozilla and add all the IE-specific features. But don't expect the Mozilla project to do that. In any case, I personally would not want them to waste their limited resources on this.
That UU.net link for Firebird worked. Thanks. Firebird 0.7 is really fast, I'm impressed. It may actually be able to compete with Opera in terms of speed now.
I wish some people would take a reality check from time to time, you can't make utiopia and ignore the flaws of the real world. Not all the time, atleast.
You can try. Why give up on your goals just because some shitty banking site doesn't work? If someone really wanted to, they could fork Mozilla and make it work with IE's non-standards. Mozilla is meant as a reference implementation of a standards-compliant browser. At least they are trying to help the situation.
That's too bad. Although there are times where Mozilla works and Firebird doesn't, and vica versa, I've never had to use IE for anything since Mozilla 1.0. Everyone I know who has switched to Mozilla/Netscape prefers to use it over IE.
Bank of America's page works great. Fidelity's page works fine. BBandT are stupid pricks for limiting who can use their site.
Sites that only work in IE are exactly the reason other browsers are sticking to standards, and should stick to the standards.
File this one under "duh"
And as for the dept:
from the os-x-doesn't-run-so-hot-on-athlon dept.
should be:
from the os-x-doesn't-run-on-athlon-at-all-dept.
Now university students can download lecture notes that suddenly cutoff after a few pages, and repeat over and over again. Or they will download what they think is course materials, only to find it is just a file that repeatedly says "what the fuck do you think you're doing?"
Yeah, like I want my TV and phone to get fucked every time some Microsoft worm spreads and eats up all the available bandwidth.
I think you mean:
VoIP + 802.11 == Bad News For Phone Companies
Don't worry about it. Common mistake for beginning programmers.
I'm coding in PL/SQL you insensitive clod!
Yes, there are plenty of people who have low demands for connectivity, but very very few new customers in this market. All of these people already have dialup. Their next move will be to broadband..yes, even ma and pa Kettle.
People move to new areas and subscribe to new services. Think of people who previously lived with several other people and shared a [broadband] internet connection, who are moving away and living alone, but don't plan on using their account for much.
For me, I'd pay the extra bucks for broadband even if I were living alone, but that's not the case for everyone.
The market for dialup may not be growing, but the opportunity to compete is still there.
Yeah, Microsoft OS's are the only ones I've ever seen that actually degrade over time, even without installing new software. What's up with that? Does the software actually evaporate off the disk ?!?!
My guess is memory leaks causing constant crashing combined with the inadequacies of FAT32 allowing for filesystem corruption. Things are better with NTFS. Win2k/XP is generally stable enough with NTFS, but I've seen a WinXP installation using FAT32 quickly degrade to an unusable state the way Win95/98/ME tend to.
You don't think we'll be having bigger screens by then?
I still have a 17" CRT that I bought 7 years ago, you insensitive clod. You think we're going to have bigger screens? What about laptops, PDA's, etc? Large screens will never be cheap. A new technology will keep replacing the old, with even the small screens being expensive.
In any case, manuafactures of monitors will be happy with Microsoft wasting screen real estate.
That's one thing that's really holding you open source guys back. You don't dare to gamble on the capabilities of the future hardware.
Can't seem to make up your mind, can you?
Windows 98 crashed 3 times a day out of box. I mean, I bought a pre-built system from a major system builder, and it crashed within the first hour of use. It of course got progressively worse as time went on, where it would crash after about 1 hour of use, and would crash immediately if I used Internet Explorer (which I didn't use anyways). Thankfully, I had that copy of Slackware installed which worked flawlessly.
My Windows of choice is Win2k at the moment, but I would take XP over 98 any day.
Does this mean the possibility of wearing Microsoft pants the crash?
Is that Microsoft in your pants or do you just have a bowel disorder?
There is nothing smart or fashionable about this "clothing"
Wrong. The point is 95% is a bullshit statistic. Its overblown by proxy servers and faked browser strings. The average user is in touch with the alternatives whether you think they are or not. I'm talking about people, for example, who bought a Dell with WinXP Home Edition to browse the web, chat/e-mail, write documents, play games, etc. If they understand how to install software, chances are they have replaced IE with something else because it is common knowledge that IE is a sucky-ass browser.
One person I know switched from IE to Netscape because she found that IE had a lot of trouble with Hotmail!
Another got sick of popups and switched to Mozilla and never looked back (yes, yes I know you can block popups in IE).
Everyone is using alternative browsers these days. Get with the times...
Lets face it, Debian is one of the hardest distributions to install on the fucking planet and it isn't even worth the hassle and time it takes to install it.
Sorry, but its a myth that Debian is hard to install. Especially when there are so many different installers that make it very easy to install (Knoppix, Libranet, LordSuch.com ISOLINUX, etc). I suppose then you can say you're not really using Debian if you install it with something else, but the end result is a Debian system.
in fact you'd be better off going with Lindows than Debian.
Guess what Lindows is based on? That's right, Debian! Xandros is another one based on Debian.
The thing about Debian is that its easy to USE. Once you have a working system, installing and configuring software is incredibly easy.
Sure, there are other great distros. I appreciate the good things about all of them. I am primarilly a Debian user, but I appreciate the good points of most of the distros.
Well, 95% of the world can suck my ass. No one I know uses IE, and these are all your average users. Everyone I know is using Netscape/Mozilla/Firebird, and a few using Opera, Konqueror, Safari.