Yes, when you grow up you learn to take the whole PR-thing with a very large grain of salt, but that's of course not limited to games.
On the other hand I can tell you from experience that you definitely do not need to let go of games. I can still enjoy them immensely, I just don't get into the "OMG I *must* have this game!"-shock anymore after seeing a couple of screenshots in a glossy mag. Now it's more: "yeah looks good, now only hope they didn't forget to make a good game".
Well salt was worthless to many people in many parts of the world but the Roman economy still used it extensively throughout their empire to pay their soldier with, so even if those seashells are worthless to those people on the coast that doesn't mean an entire empire can't use it for their money. It just goes to show that the value of your "money" is what your society gives it.
And actually the majority of people travelled very little in ancient times, most would never see anything besides their neigbouring villages. Of course there were people who travelled far and wide but that was mostly because of their profession (tradesmen, troubadours, etc) or because of their culture (eg gypsies). But I agree that trade was not rare at all and could be incredibly farreaching.
About the Incas, read a bit about their history, for example here: http://www.crystalinks.com/incan.html Yes, they were obsessed with in the way that gold was the "sweat of the sun" nad silver the "tears of the moon", so they probably found it very beautiful, but their economy did NOT depend on it, taxes were paid by working. Working in whatever way possible, that included finding gold yes. But as you can read in the article "Silver and gold were abundant, but only used for aesthetics".
*ding* Wrong. Early economies used just about anything that was scarse and of value to the local economy. Roman soldiers were paid in salt, in other places of the world salt would have been worthless. And then you have the opposite case if you look at native americans in places like Mexico and further south where gold was basically a nice metal to make ornaments from but had no intrinsic value to the local economy.
What's the "real intrinsic value" of a piece of shiny white or yellow metal? I can't eat it, I can't drink it, I maybe could make a roof over my head out of it but it would cost me too much work to dig that kind of amount up.
There's nothing "real" nor "intrinsic" about the value of precious metals and stones, it's just us, as a society, that have decided to treat as such, just like we did first with paper then plastic and now electronic money.
but to dismiss performance problems as a "myth" is disengenious at best.
come on! The GP clearly said:
Performance problems are a well-known fundamental problem with microkernel architectures that use user-mode processes
Look at the keyword "fundamental" here, THAT's the myth and the fact that several people, AST being one of them, have proven that there is no such "fundamental" difference is the "fact" here. Even coming up with a long list of examples where the performance is actually worse does not mean a thing, it might just mean it's very difficult or that no microkernel has ever gotten the same kind of attention as monolithic kernels.
Yes, microkernels are slower than monolithic kernels and probably always will be due to their nature
Go read some of the work being done on microkernels, jeez just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_family will give you enough leads, there are _actual_ _working_ examples of microkernels that perform well, in some cases outperforming existing monolithic kernels.
That's why people are screaming "myth" because people like you have already made up their mind and keep repeating the same old adage when it just isn't true.
#1 : To which the same AST says "The complexity is quite manageable. This is not speculation. We have already implemented the system, after all."
He says that are basically only a few basic classes of drivers that you need this kind of complexity for, I imagine extending one for your particular filesystem, hardware, etc is a lot easier than having to write one from scratch each time.
Well as a European I prefer to look at the _intention_ of the ad, if for some reason I would think that the motives of the people who made it or the company behind it weren't perfectly innocent I would react completely differently but in this case I wouldn't have looked at the ad twice if it wasn't for this article:-)
Years ago, the few black people in the Netherlands that I knew and that I discussed this subject with didn't seem to feel particularly discriminated against and felt more or less happy not to be living in the US (mind you, we we're all quite young, early twenties and none of us had ever been to the US so there was a lot of prejudice there, but from what we heard and saw on TV and in movies we all had the feeling the situation had to be far worse in the US)
On the other hand I'm sure that there are a lot of Moroccans and Turcs right now in the Netherlands who would not agree at all with those guys I talked with and who feel very much discriminated against. So I'm sure discrimination is very much alive in Europe, it just doesn't always seem to be directly associated with skin color and it seems to be somewhat dynamic, it might have been Turcs yesterday, Moroccans today and god knows who tomorrow.
In the end it seems that people who feel they somehow "belong" in the country they live in need someone to hold a grudge against. And if there are not enough people who are "different" somehow in their own country they will look at the country next to them and if they are not "different" enough they will invent differences!
I can tell you from personal (extensive!) experience that drilling most definitely hurts like hell! If you don't agree it probably because you haven't had much caries yet. The first time in a still "virgin" tooth doesn't hurt much no (well if you go to the dentist regularly that is) but if the same place has to be filled again and again and again and the dentist has to go deeper each time it hurts like nothing else I've experienced yet. It's a pain so intense which you have to support continuously for at least 15 - 30 minutes that I gladly suffer the minor prick of a needle (in fact spending the rest of the day with a numb mouth is about the worst of getting an anesthetic IMO).
The dentists I had 20 years ago all had perfect teeth and seemed to think that anesthetics were only for root canals and extractions. And even though I haven't had problems for years now and even though I know they will now give me something for the pain I still break out in a cold sweat the day I wake up knowing I have to go to the dentist.
Uhm, no, it doesn't, what it installs is A driver that happens to work with your nVidia card but you'll be missing out on a bunch of features that the official drivers give you. Doesn't matter if you "just" want your card to work, but that's the same as saying you "just" want to listen to music. But you say you want to listen to MP3s (not supported by Fedora) and I say that I want to use my stereoscopic glasses that came with my card (not supported by the driver that MS installs).
But that doesn't mean I don't understand your frustration, especially when many other things in Linux are so easy to do why does this have to be difficult. For me I just like Fedora and I understand the reasoning of the people behind it, never had much problems using it and I love the enormous community that supports it.
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Because I'm sure a judge would agree with you completely that only putting a button to the illegal downloads would absolve the distro makers completely in case anyone decides to sue them. Besides, I like Fedora exactly for that attitude, they have their principals and they stick to them even though it might hurt them at times.
And if entering one line on a console scares you maybe Linux is not for you. And I'm not being elitist here or anything, but it's just that you will be confrontend with a shell at some time during your Linux usage. The same way that for Windows you will be confronted with driver downloads (Why doesn't Microsoft give me a big button "Install latest nVidia drivers, I know what I'm doing").
"signs of collapse from internal factions hostile to the host country"
WTF? What are you smoking?
As if there have never been political troubles in those countries before and far worse ones than the ones they're having now!
Fighting back will got you suspended? Really? Wow, the one time it happened to me the school principal commended me on "showing restraint" in defending myself (she knew I was taking karate lessons).
Of course, the truth was I just that my mind completely blanked when the fight started and couldn't remember anything of karate until it ended. Hehe.
Well, actually KDE will use Arthur that is part of Qt4, which is the same thing. It uses a pplug-in system which means that you could even use Cairo if you really wanted, but what I've read so far in KDE-lists etc. nobody seems very interested in doing that because Arthur already seems to do everything that Cairo does.
That's just impossible and will never happen, heck even Windows comes in several (incompatible!) flavours! (Win9x/NT/XP vs CE vs SmartPhone for example)
Linux is just used in so many more circumstances than Windows that a lot of distros _need_ to exist.
I don't know where you get the idea from the Windows instability comes from userspace programs but that's absolutely not the case. For example, stability was decreased greatly in NT the moment (around 3.1) they decided, for performance reasons, to put the display drivers back into kernel space (in 3.5 IIRC).
Of course, it is also the same reason that you can today play the latest games on your NT-based Windows XP system.
You win some you lose some.
Let's hear you say that again when the bridge you were driving on gave away because the engineers that built it had difference of opinion on the significance of "high tensile steel".
There is a _reason_ why engineers are like that and it most likely the reason why you are still alive today.
This is a technical subject so us engineers are into "exact mode" and yes this sometimes bleeds over into the rest of our lives but mainly because we think its funny.
Scaring your kid with blood will scare him for a night. Teaching him to sexually objectize women will damage him for a lifetime.
Strange camparison, bit like apples and oranges, let's change them a bit so they are more equal, shall we:
1) Scaring your kid with blood will scare him for a night. Arousing your kid with nekked boobs will give him a hard-on for 5 minutes.
2) Teaching him to glorify violence will damage him for a lifetime. Teaching him to sexually objectize women will damage him for a lifetime.
Now with those 2 statements I agree completely: I just think that Oblivion only does #1 and nowhere ever comes close to doing #2, but hey, that's just me.
I think you should be careful with this because I think Hitler was far from being a lunatic and this way you make it seem as if you have to be mentally deranged to be able to do the things he did. It would imply that if you somehow watch out for the mentally insane you we will never have a similar situation occur again. But instead I'm afraid people prove all the time that they are able of bestialities given the right situation and that given enough incentives large groups of people will actually join and help out (remember that Hitler did not personally kill over 7 million Jews).
If I remember correctly one of the reasons RedHat/Fedora doesn't include it has to do with the fact that the Sun package installs all the stuff in the wrong directories (it is not LSB compliant) and the license specifically states that you must distribute the JRE/JDK exactly as-is so they are not allowed to make even minor adjustments to make the package better fit the system.
I've been known to be wrong tho:-)
So now I wonder what you _do_ like, because if you "HATE" Java, you mustn't like C, C++, C# and just about any C-like language either because they're all somewhat similar. So what are you into?
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And welcome to cynisism I'd day ;-)
Yes, when you grow up you learn to take the whole PR-thing with a very large grain of salt, but that's of course not limited to games.
On the other hand I can tell you from experience that you definitely do not need to let go of games. I can still enjoy them immensely, I just don't get into the "OMG I *must* have this game!"-shock anymore after seeing a couple of screenshots in a glossy mag. Now it's more: "yeah looks good, now only hope they didn't forget to make a good game".
Well salt was worthless to many people in many parts of the world but the Roman economy still used it extensively throughout their empire to pay their soldier with, so even if those seashells are worthless to those people on the coast that doesn't mean an entire empire can't use it for their money. It just goes to show that the value of your "money" is what your society gives it.
And actually the majority of people travelled very little in ancient times, most would never see anything besides their neigbouring villages. Of course there were people who travelled far and wide but that was mostly because of their profession (tradesmen, troubadours, etc) or because of their culture (eg gypsies). But I agree that trade was not rare at all and could be incredibly farreaching.
About the Incas, read a bit about their history, for example here: http://www.crystalinks.com/incan.html
Yes, they were obsessed with in the way that gold was the "sweat of the sun" nad silver the "tears of the moon", so they probably found it very beautiful, but their economy did NOT depend on it, taxes were paid by working. Working in whatever way possible, that included finding gold yes. But as you can read in the article "Silver and gold were abundant, but only used for aesthetics".
*ding* Wrong. Early economies used just about anything that was scarse and of value to the local economy. Roman soldiers were paid in salt, in other places of the world salt would have been worthless. And then you have the opposite case if you look at native americans in places like Mexico and further south where gold was basically a nice metal to make ornaments from but had no intrinsic value to the local economy.
What's the "real intrinsic value" of a piece of shiny white or yellow metal? I can't eat it, I can't drink it, I maybe could make a roof over my head out of it but it would cost me too much work to dig that kind of amount up.
There's nothing "real" nor "intrinsic" about the value of precious metals and stones, it's just us, as a society, that have decided to treat as such, just like we did first with paper then plastic and now electronic money.
So sue me for forgetting a smiley! ;-)
Well if 99% of /.ers know who he is he must be famous, don't you think?
come on! The GP clearly said:
Look at the keyword "fundamental" here, THAT's the myth and the fact that several people, AST being one of them, have proven that there is no such "fundamental" difference is the "fact" here. Even coming up with a long list of examples where the performance is actually worse does not mean a thing, it might just mean it's very difficult or that no microkernel has ever gotten the same kind of attention as monolithic kernels.
Go read some of the work being done on microkernels, jeez just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_famil
That's why people are screaming "myth" because people like you have already made up their mind and keep repeating the same old adage when it just isn't true.
#1 : To which the same AST says "The complexity is quite manageable. This is not speculation. We have already implemented the system, after all."
He says that are basically only a few basic classes of drivers that you need this kind of complexity for, I imagine extending one for your particular filesystem, hardware, etc is a lot easier than having to write one from scratch each time.
Well as a European I prefer to look at the _intention_ of the ad, if for some reason I would think that the motives of the people who made it or the company behind it weren't perfectly innocent I would react completely differently but in this case I wouldn't have looked at the ad twice if it wasn't for this article :-)
Years ago, the few black people in the Netherlands that I knew and that I discussed this subject with didn't seem to feel particularly discriminated against and felt more or less happy not to be living in the US (mind you, we we're all quite young, early twenties and none of us had ever been to the US so there was a lot of prejudice there, but from what we heard and saw on TV and in movies we all had the feeling the situation had to be far worse in the US)
On the other hand I'm sure that there are a lot of Moroccans and Turcs right now in the Netherlands who would not agree at all with those guys I talked with and who feel very much discriminated against. So I'm sure discrimination is very much alive in Europe, it just doesn't always seem to be directly associated with skin color and it seems to be somewhat dynamic, it might have been Turcs yesterday, Moroccans today and god knows who tomorrow.
In the end it seems that people who feel they somehow "belong" in the country they live in need someone to hold a grudge against. And if there are not enough people who are "different" somehow in their own country they will look at the country next to them and if they are not "different" enough they will invent differences!
I can tell you from personal (extensive!) experience that drilling most definitely hurts like hell! If you don't agree it probably because you haven't had much caries yet. The first time in a still "virgin" tooth doesn't hurt much no (well if you go to the dentist regularly that is) but if the same place has to be filled again and again and again and the dentist has to go deeper each time it hurts like nothing else I've experienced yet. It's a pain so intense which you have to support continuously for at least 15 - 30 minutes that I gladly suffer the minor prick of a needle (in fact spending the rest of the day with a numb mouth is about the worst of getting an anesthetic IMO).
The dentists I had 20 years ago all had perfect teeth and seemed to think that anesthetics were only for root canals and extractions. And even though I haven't had problems for years now and even though I know they will now give me something for the pain I still break out in a cold sweat the day I wake up knowing I have to go to the dentist.
Stuff that _I_ upload? But _I_ am not doing anything, it's _them_ downloading stuff they know they shouldn't download.
Companies would really like this because it would mean they get twice the amount in damages as they would get if you buy it in a store.
> It does. It's part of the automatic updates.
Uhm, no, it doesn't, what it installs is A driver that happens to work with your nVidia card but you'll be missing out on a bunch of features that the official drivers give you. Doesn't matter if you "just" want your card to work, but that's the same as saying you "just" want to listen to music. But you say you want to listen to MP3s (not supported by Fedora) and I say that I want to use my stereoscopic glasses that came with my card (not supported by the driver that MS installs).
But that doesn't mean I don't understand your frustration, especially when many other things in Linux are so easy to do why does this have to be difficult. For me I just like Fedora and I understand the reasoning of the people behind it, never had much problems using it and I love the enormous community that supports it.
Because I'm sure a judge would agree with you completely that only putting a button to the illegal downloads would absolve the distro makers completely in case anyone decides to sue them. Besides, I like Fedora exactly for that attitude, they have their principals and they stick to them even though it might hurt them at times.
And if entering one line on a console scares you maybe Linux is not for you. And I'm not being elitist here or anything, but it's just that you will be confrontend with a shell at some time during your Linux usage. The same way that for Windows you will be confronted with driver downloads (Why doesn't Microsoft give me a big button "Install latest nVidia drivers, I know what I'm doing").
"signs of collapse from internal factions hostile to the host country" WTF? What are you smoking? As if there have never been political troubles in those countries before and far worse ones than the ones they're having now!
Fighting back will got you suspended? Really? Wow, the one time it happened to me the school principal commended me on "showing restraint" in defending myself (she knew I was taking karate lessons). Of course, the truth was I just that my mind completely blanked when the fight started and couldn't remember anything of karate until it ended. Hehe.
Well, actually KDE will use Arthur that is part of Qt4, which is the same thing. It uses a pplug-in system which means that you could even use Cairo if you really wanted, but what I've read so far in KDE-lists etc. nobody seems very interested in doing that because Arthur already seems to do everything that Cairo does.
Ok, next time I will first ask for a thousand bucks and THAN I'll get angry. Yeah, I can see how that would work :-)
That's just impossible and will never happen, heck even Windows comes in several (incompatible!) flavours! (Win9x/NT/XP vs CE vs SmartPhone for example)
Linux is just used in so many more circumstances than Windows that a lot of distros _need_ to exist.
I don't know where you get the idea from the Windows instability comes from userspace programs but that's absolutely not the case. For example, stability was decreased greatly in NT the moment (around 3.1) they decided, for performance reasons, to put the display drivers back into kernel space (in 3.5 IIRC). Of course, it is also the same reason that you can today play the latest games on your NT-based Windows XP system. You win some you lose some.
Let's hear you say that again when the bridge you were driving on gave away because the engineers that built it had difference of opinion on the significance of "high tensile steel". There is a _reason_ why engineers are like that and it most likely the reason why you are still alive today. This is a technical subject so us engineers are into "exact mode" and yes this sometimes bleeds over into the rest of our lives but mainly because we think its funny.
If I remember correctly one of the reasons RedHat/Fedora doesn't include it has to do with the fact that the Sun package installs all the stuff in the wrong directories (it is not LSB compliant) and the license specifically states that you must distribute the JRE/JDK exactly as-is so they are not allowed to make even minor adjustments to make the package better fit the system. I've been known to be wrong tho :-)
Who was saying anything about rules? Godwin's Law has nothing to do with rules. Life must be treating you real bad that you're so cynical :-)
So now I wonder what you _do_ like, because if you "HATE" Java, you mustn't like C, C++, C# and just about any C-like language either because they're all somewhat similar. So what are you into?