Yeah, those TWO (potentially as many as TWENTY) ballots are going to skew the entire fucking election, aren't they? What kind of moron are you? Do you seriously fucking think that someone that's going to be voting for Kerry is just going to say "Fuck it, he's not on the ballot... I think I'll vote for Bush!" Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.
You're the one who can't even get simple concepts straight - like thinking that only home users use Windows as a desktop machine.
And you can't get a simple concept like business vs home use.
You, in your ignorance, associated "module" and "kernel".
The first thing you posted in this dicussion reads in part, and I quote:
"The TAINT flag is not obscure "
YOU are the one that brough kernels into this. You mention modules, you mention kernels, exactly what the fuck am I supposed to be thinking?
So, a large part of the spyware problem is due to Microsoft's practices. To say otherwise is either ignorant, delusional, or barefaced astroturfing.
I never said otherwise, you fucking retard. Goddamn, I swear to fuck I've never run across anyone as unashamedly fucktarded as you are. Is English your first language? If you have difficulty understanding the subtleties of the language it makes your comments less questionable, but even then this is some dumb shit.
I've already given reasons why Microsoft would encourage the development of non-windows viruses.
No, you have not. You displayed instances of shitty business practice but those are not REASONS FOR WRITING SPYWARE OR VIRUSES FOR LINUX. Quit being a fucking moron, and answer the goddamned question. What incentive is there? "To hurt Linux" isn't good enough. That's a moronic catchall bullshit statement. Then again, I'm dealing with a dumbass...
So what you're saying, by completely ignoring a simple fucking question no less than three times, is "I have no clue why MS would program a Linux virus, but I'm going to bitch about them anyway." Thank you for playing... fuck off.
Calm down and think about what you're saying for 2 seconds.
How about you actually read what the fuck I'm writing for two seconds?
They're already having to cut their prices when dealing with governments and large corporations because of the threat of linux on the desktop.
No, they're having to deal with Linux creeping from the server into the other machines a business uses. I don't understand why this sort of thing is continually talked up as 'desktop' use. It is not, it is business use. Difference is, desktop users don't have a sysadmin hanging over them to punch them in the face for installing screensavers that were emailed to them.
Or was Balmer lying when he said Linux was the number 1 threat?
Four years ago. Got anything recent? Even back then, that's the equivalent of an elephant calling a mouse its number one threat. Not even a suped-up cyborg mouse with frickin' lasers on its head or a bucket for a hand or anything cool like that. Just a regular mouse that would get skooshed rather quickly.
As you so "kindly" pointed out, it's the "idiots using windows" (your term) that are the problem.
It should be noted that the "idiots using windows" refers to stupid people that happen to use Windows, not that all Windows users are idiots.
Any script kiddie or spammer would be more than happy to 0wn 1% of all home pcs. So, not so pointless.
Are you Icelandic or retarded? I asked you why MICROSOFT would bother with a Linux virus, not why a script kiddie would. The latter's motivations are blindingly obvious.
So, sysadmins don't install Windows any more? They don't install untested patches any more? They're never under time pressure any more? They never install software with known bugs any more? They never install Internet Exploder or Media Playwhore any more?
No, dumbass, they don't install RANDOM SHIT that someone they don't fucking know emails them. Do you know of a single sysadmin that would be stupid enough to install something that a person they don't even know sent to them? If you do, they probably haven't been able to stay employed for very long.
Since you apparently have trouble understanding things that are not so spelled out even a braindamaged labrat could understand them, I will ask this question again being a fuckton more specific...
What possible, and LOGICAL, reason for developing a Linux-based computer virus would the Microsoft Corporation have? No sidestepping, no end-arounds. Answer the fucking question with a response that doesn't involve anti-MS FUD or shut the fuck up.
BTW, I'm not an MS fanboy or anything like that. I run Fedora Core on my box. It just pisses me off when I see blatant MS-bashing using the same FUD-y bullshit that Linux dorks proclaim to hate when it comes from MS.
And how many people that played in the '99 season also played last season? How many changed teams? How many went from being spare-asses to being premiere players? Things change, and five years is a fucking eternity in today's hockey climate. In five years time the Dallas Stars have gone from being Cup champions to missing the playoffs.
The people I know that play sports games generally buy the new one every 2-3 years.
The stuff that is open-sourced will not have as much of a problem as the closed-source stuff - the "many eyes", etc.
Which means absolutely nothing. All you have to do is install your spyware in a hidden directory in HOME. How many eyes are going to see the hidden files in your home directory? You don't need a fucking kernel module, you don't need to hide the fucking process, you don't need to do a damn thing except have a lot of fucking IDIOTS using Linux the same way a lot of fucking idiots use Windows.
And you seem not to be aware of their tactics...
There's a huge fucking difference between the things you mentioned and writing malicious software. If you can't figure it out, try pulling your head out of your ass for a while. You think much better when oxygen can reach your brain easily.
What world HAVE you been living in, anyway, to believe Microsoft, given a chance, wouldn't devote resources to developing a linux virus, either directly or indirectly.
The one where MS has a few billion dollars and doesn't give a shit about a few geek-ass bastards cutting into their main revenue source, which is DESKTOP computers. All the FUD, all the shit you want to mention, is centered on business use. 90% of home users use Windows, a few use Macs, and a tiny subset of dorkasses use Linux. MS doesn't care about you, your ideology, or anything else other than their bottom line. They are spreading FUD in areas where they've either never been a player (web servers, large business servers) or have never been the lone player (office software). I'll ask you again, what would be their gain in making a Linux virus? Infecting less than one percent of the people that use home PC's? Pointless. Infecting servers? Like I've said before that's a more likely scenario but, again as I've said before, sysadmins (ones that keep their job, anyway) don't install random shit.
Just get someone to install it on the target machine, is all.
Which is almost my entire point summed up in one handy sentence. The parent to my post was trying to say that Linux was completely invulnerable to spyware because it's open source. Of course this is bullshit, and you've just reiterated that point.
The boys and girls at Redmond certainly have enough incentive (financial and otherwise) to give it a try, and it's not like they are above unethical behaviour - so why am I not worried?
Don't give me that crap. Stupid-ass lines like that are an insult to anyone with intelligence greater than that of a common housefly. MS has absolutely no incentive to ever do such a thing. What would be the point? Does Linux eat up that much desktop share? Fuck no! The server side of things is a slightly stronger argument, but even then you'd have to stretch to come up with a good reason to do it. To bring down Apache? Yeah, your average Apache sysadmin is stupid enough to install random crap some dude he doesn't know sends him, isn't he? */SARCASM*
That's a rare post. It's both very informative and completely offtopic.
The link you give is specific to kernel modules. Kernel modules have fuckall to do with spyware (who would be stupid enough to try and fly a massive chunk of spyware code in under the module radar?). The OP made it sound as if everything that is run on a Linux based system is GPL/OSS and nothing else. That may be in HIS little universe, but not in the real world.
I'm talking about actual software programs, not the kernel (tell me how many times spyware has infected the Windows kernel source, if you're trying to defend the OP). Spyware can just as easily be run on a Linux computer as it can on a Windows computer. All it takes is user stupidity. "Run this shell script to install a neato screensaver!"
If Linux ever has a large enough user base for anyone to give two shits about infecting it, it WILL be infected.
So ALL software that runs on Linux is open source? There is some little flag in an obscure part of the kernel that can tell if the binary being run had the full source included with it? Goddamn, you're an idiot.
Why do YOU need a computer when people are suffering? To take that further, why do you need a house, clothing, a car, a job, a grocery store, a bank, or anything else when there is someone else out there going without those things?
Do you have to be able to draw to be able to sculpt? Is everyone that's good with oils also good with acrylic? Or an airbrush? They're different mediums altogether.
Also, I don't see anyone claiming this is a revolutionary technology. While the method is different from most, toon shaders have been around for a while. This doesn't make a freely available implementation any less interesting.
Wrong, sort of. Patches are converted to polys at rendertime (at least with all the renderers I know about). It's still a high polycount, but you don't have to deal with it onscreen.
Because, as we all know, Indymedia is in no way biased and is an extremely reliable source when it comes to covering both si.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHA! HAHAHA! Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face through that one. HA!
The correct reaction would be to grab the person who pushed and arrest him/her.
Oh yeah, because that wouldn't give the rest of the crowd a flimsy excuse to act like even bigger cocks and escalate the situation further. That NEVER happens at protests...
Instead, the cops reacted by shooting at everyone.
Oh shit! Look out! It's a mild irritant designed to disperse large and unruly crowds before they get out of hand by making it slightly uncomfortable to stay in the same place! NAZIIIIIIIIIS!
Rather, cops who know they won't face repercussions for excessive use of force and have seen one too many Rambo movies.
How old are you? Twelve? Thirteen? I have an idea. Let's throw YOUR BITCH ASS into the middle of 500 people that disagree with each other and see how YOU react when you get pushed around. Do you sit back and let the situation escalate into violence or do you take steps right then and there to make sure that doesn't happen? You're a fucking liar if you say you don't end it right there if you can.
I wish there was a way to mod someone "-1, Total fucking retard that quite obviously has never had to deal with crowd control in a hostile enviroment." Take your pick. Either the cops let shit get out of hand in which case people start fighting and breaking shit, or they can end it BEFORE anything starts. Either way, they have goddamned idiots like your stupid self up their ass about how they're fascist. Grow the fuck up, dipshit.
I'm going to sit right here on my ass and let retards that spout that moronic fucking line take care of the problem... oh, wait... they don't take care of the problem. They just 'protest'. As if that does a goddamned bit of good. "Hey, let's all go shout outsideof a building! That'll work! Unless they just turn up the TV or something..."
It doesn't fucking matter because 'virii' is a fucking SLANG TERM. You are aware of this phenomenon of people using out of context or even completely made up words to describe things in a more interesting way, right? I learned this concept when I was about 5 years old (thank you, Ninja Turtles!). Maybe you should go back to grade school and stock up on social skills.
Religion has not hindered science any more than science has hindered religion. STUPIDITY is the word you're looking for. Stupidity from both sides is what hinders progress. Pray tell, how exactly is your apparent hatred of religion anything but a religion of its own? You base this belief on no proveable facts, seeing it as a catchall for every problem you run across. Hitler? Religion. Crusades? Religion. Inquisition? Religion. The thing is, the root of all these actions was flat-out fucking STUPIDITY. There is absolutely NOTHING that says religion and science have to be separate. I believe in intelligent design, but I also believe evolution happens. I believe in Creation, but I see the big bang as PART OF that Creation (before you ask, no I don't think the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Creation Science is fucking stupid). How can I believe these things? Quite simply, because they are not mutually exclusive. Where does it say that in order to be scientific you have to renounce any belief in any religion? Someone around here has a signature that says something along the lines of "The scientific view of religion is agnosticism." I suggest you contemplate the meaning of this before go into another anti-religion tirade.
Why do comments like this only crop up right after I've used all my mod points? I agree with you. People need to cut the sci-fi bullshit, pull their head out of their ass, and face reality.
What's really funny is how the same person can dismiss any religious comments out of hand, and not see the irony whenever they then go on about how some sci-fi book is a prediction of the future (Brave New World, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, etc...). Morons are fun, aren't they?
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Yeah, those TWO (potentially as many as TWENTY) ballots are going to skew the entire fucking election, aren't they? What kind of moron are you? Do you seriously fucking think that someone that's going to be voting for Kerry is just going to say "Fuck it, he's not on the ballot... I think I'll vote for Bush!" Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.
And you can't get a simple concept like business vs home use. The first thing you posted in this dicussion reads in part, and I quote:
"The TAINT flag is not obscure "
YOU are the one that brough kernels into this. You mention modules, you mention kernels, exactly what the fuck am I supposed to be thinking? I never said otherwise, you fucking retard. Goddamn, I swear to fuck I've never run across anyone as unashamedly fucktarded as you are. Is English your first language? If you have difficulty understanding the subtleties of the language it makes your comments less questionable, but even then this is some dumb shit. No, you have not. You displayed instances of shitty business practice but those are not REASONS FOR WRITING SPYWARE OR VIRUSES FOR LINUX. Quit being a fucking moron, and answer the goddamned question. What incentive is there? "To hurt Linux" isn't good enough. That's a moronic catchall bullshit statement. Then again, I'm dealing with a dumbass...
So what you're saying, by completely ignoring a simple fucking question no less than three times, is "I have no clue why MS would program a Linux virus, but I'm going to bitch about them anyway." Thank you for playing... fuck off.
Since you apparently have trouble understanding things that are not so spelled out even a braindamaged labrat could understand them, I will ask this question again being a fuckton more specific...
What possible, and LOGICAL, reason for developing a Linux-based computer virus would the Microsoft Corporation have? No sidestepping, no end-arounds. Answer the fucking question with a response that doesn't involve anti-MS FUD or shut the fuck up.
BTW, I'm not an MS fanboy or anything like that. I run Fedora Core on my box. It just pisses me off when I see blatant MS-bashing using the same FUD-y bullshit that Linux dorks proclaim to hate when it comes from MS.
And how many people that played in the '99 season also played last season? How many changed teams? How many went from being spare-asses to being premiere players? Things change, and five years is a fucking eternity in today's hockey climate. In five years time the Dallas Stars have gone from being Cup champions to missing the playoffs.
The people I know that play sports games generally buy the new one every 2-3 years.
So what's the fucking point?
Which is almost my entire point summed up in one handy sentence. The parent to my post was trying to say that Linux was completely invulnerable to spyware because it's open source. Of course this is bullshit, and you've just reiterated that point. Don't give me that crap. Stupid-ass lines like that are an insult to anyone with intelligence greater than that of a common housefly. MS has absolutely no incentive to ever do such a thing. What would be the point? Does Linux eat up that much desktop share? Fuck no! The server side of things is a slightly stronger argument, but even then you'd have to stretch to come up with a good reason to do it. To bring down Apache? Yeah, your average Apache sysadmin is stupid enough to install random crap some dude he doesn't know sends him, isn't he? */SARCASM*
That's a rare post. It's both very informative and completely offtopic.
The link you give is specific to kernel modules. Kernel modules have fuckall to do with spyware (who would be stupid enough to try and fly a massive chunk of spyware code in under the module radar?). The OP made it sound as if everything that is run on a Linux based system is GPL/OSS and nothing else. That may be in HIS little universe, but not in the real world.
I'm talking about actual software programs, not the kernel (tell me how many times spyware has infected the Windows kernel source, if you're trying to defend the OP). Spyware can just as easily be run on a Linux computer as it can on a Windows computer. All it takes is user stupidity. "Run this shell script to install a neato screensaver!"
If Linux ever has a large enough user base for anyone to give two shits about infecting it, it WILL be infected.
So ALL software that runs on Linux is open source? There is some little flag in an obscure part of the kernel that can tell if the binary being run had the full source included with it? Goddamn, you're an idiot.
Why do YOU need a computer when people are suffering? To take that further, why do you need a house, clothing, a car, a job, a grocery store, a bank, or anything else when there is someone else out there going without those things?
The answer is quite simple. BECAUSE WE CAN.
Do you have to be able to draw to be able to sculpt? Is everyone that's good with oils also good with acrylic? Or an airbrush? They're different mediums altogether.
Also, I don't see anyone claiming this is a revolutionary technology. While the method is different from most, toon shaders have been around for a while. This doesn't make a freely available implementation any less interesting.
Wrong, sort of. Patches are converted to polys at rendertime (at least with all the renderers I know about). It's still a high polycount, but you don't have to deal with it onscreen.
Because, as we all know, Indymedia is in no way biased and is an extremely reliable source when it comes to covering both si.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHA! HAHAHA! Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face through that one. HA!
If I hadn't posted in this thread already, you'd get my last mod point. "+1, Actually used his brain" ;)
I wish there was a way to mod someone "-1, Total fucking retard that quite obviously has never had to deal with crowd control in a hostile enviroment." Take your pick. Either the cops let shit get out of hand in which case people start fighting and breaking shit, or they can end it BEFORE anything starts. Either way, they have goddamned idiots like your stupid self up their ass about how they're fascist. Grow the fuck up, dipshit.
I'm going to sit right here on my ass and let retards that spout that moronic fucking line take care of the problem... oh, wait... they don't take care of the problem. They just 'protest'. As if that does a goddamned bit of good. "Hey, let's all go shout outsideof a building! That'll work! Unless they just turn up the TV or something..."
It doesn't fucking matter because 'virii' is a fucking SLANG TERM. You are aware of this phenomenon of people using out of context or even completely made up words to describe things in a more interesting way, right? I learned this concept when I was about 5 years old (thank you, Ninja Turtles!). Maybe you should go back to grade school and stock up on social skills.
Ethics has nothing to do with it. Of course it's ethically sound. The MORALITY of it is in question.
Not for me though. If it would cure me of whatever I had, I'd be sucking on fetus necks Christopher Reeves style.
People will likely look back one day on the Bible as amazingly prophetic.
Just making a point.
Why do comments like this only crop up right after I've used all my mod points? I agree with you. People need to cut the sci-fi bullshit, pull their head out of their ass, and face reality.
What's really funny is how the same person can dismiss any religious comments out of hand, and not see the irony whenever they then go on about how some sci-fi book is a prediction of the future (Brave New World, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, etc...). Morons are fun, aren't they?