the onus is on someone to PROVE a bad effect rather than the gm crowd to disprove every imaginable SCIENCE FICTION scenario
That's fine, but I would think that it'd be better to attempt to prove this in some sort of controlled environment where the changes would be readily observable, at least moreso than in nature, rather than have something go wrong and decimate an ecosystem. Same reason you should test any patch or upgrade on a staging domain BEFORE you deploy it to your production area. I'd rather contain my damage to something that's non-vital than take down an entire system, thereby proving a bad effect. One line summary: err on the side of caution.
you have hype and fear driving your argument, not reason, don't you see that?
Strangely, I think my arguments are fairly well reasoned. It seems most people here are for scientific progress for the sake of progress, forgetting that for every good thing, there's a bad side effect that should be fully examined as well.
look: there is informed, intelligent whistleblowing and alarmism, and then there is false, hysterical, fear of the unknown alarmism
Okay, so instead of shooting your mouth off the other way, how about you show a scientific study saying that genetic alterations WON'T cause any harm to an ecosystem?
Call me crazy, but I don't think having some of these fish or any other genetically modified animal get out and THEN finding out that it does indeed cause severe harm (or any harm at all) is the way we want to go. We've only got one earth, so how about instead of screwing with all sorts of things to "make it better," we work on fixing the stuff we've broken?
Yes, but how exactly do you disable ICQ? What about those of us who have NEVER used ICQ, and don't see any reason to (no one I know uses it...)? I tried Miranda-IM, and finally ended up making up an ICQ number just to get it to open and connect. The FAQ's were of no help (for all you RTFM folks.) I don't like having to do things like that. Some people actually do like things that just work. Hence why I drive a Honda and not a GM (yeah, yeah, flame away.)
I don't mean to sound like an advertisement, but I feel Miranda is far superiour to ICQ or AIM's clients, and Trillian for that matter. Trillian != free, thus I cannot afford it. =P
Strange, I seem to have found a free version of Trillian. It's not exactly like trying to locate the "free" version of RealPlayer or anything. Just go to download.com.com and search for Trillian. It's right there.
Who the heck modded this up as "Funny"? I think that this is the biggest problem with the U.S. response to the World Trade Center and all the following events.
Had we really been serious about catching Bin Laden, or whomever planned that, we wouldn't have gone in with guns blazing. That seems to me to have been just a front to satisfy the U.S. public's bloodlust.
This system is designed to lull the public into a sense of false security. One guy decided to plant C4 in his shoe soles, and suddenly, we need our shoes x-rayed? My wife got her eyelash crimper confiscated...what the heck was she going to do with that? Pinch the pilot to death?
And, regardless of if this post is hours old, before I get modded down as a troll, I would like to say that I consider myself conservative, but I don't support in any way, shape or form the Bush administration's response to the recent terrorist event. Far to Hitler-esque for my tastes.
Most people can fumble their way through the current Word version by searching the menus and using their doc "wizards".
No, they can't.
Yes, they can. Can't and won't are two different things.
Have you ever even bought a parent or grandparent a computer?
Yes. Actually I have (I also support a 300 person department in a Fortune 500 company which means lots of secretaries). I have set up my (formerly absolutely computer illiterate) grandmother with a computer that she can get e-mail on, write letters, print, scan, fax, use her digital camera on, use her sewing machine on, the list goes on. How? PATIENCE YOU PATHETIC GEEKS!!!!! Just because someone doesn't get it as quickly as you do, doesn't mean that they're not capable of learning.
What I've found to be handy is the "Blah Blah Blah for Dummies" books and a handy reference sheet with common things that they'll do and step-by-step instructions on how to do them. Then make sure they know what to do before they call you when they really run stuck (is it plugged in? Turned on? Monitor turned on? Caps lock on, etc). After a few "lessons," my grandma has called me once, because her hard drive wouldn't spin up. And she routinely e-mails me pictures that she took, transfered and edited.
And for the love of all things holy and good, don't act like frickin' Nick Burns, your companies computer guy!
The city lights also automatically turn on/off via an X10 cronjob on my home Linux server
You know what? Tell your X10 cronjob to take a break. I think we're gonna turn off your lights for you tonight... no no, don't thank us. It's our pleasure.
I thought Manhattan was in New York, not California....
In most music circles, except for those such as the Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, and all that other corporate, booker-produced dreck, selling out is the worst thing that a band can do. Look at Sugar Ray. They're complete sell outs. They're also very popular. But, they also suck very much bad.
However, we're not talking about music here. We're talking software. You can still release quality software that meets the demands of the consumers after starting to sell IPOs. It is possible and there are companies who have done it. But those companies are few and far between.
So I suppose the turning point for RedHat, et al is going to be when they stop caring about the GNU public license and the Open Source movement and start caring about giving large returns to the stockholders, most of whom (and you can quote me) probably are going to use M$ until dealing with it gives them an aneurysm and they die. Based on other companies (erhm...M$...diebill), the shift from caring about the end user to caring about the stockholder won't take too long.
I think that I'm going to install S.u.S.E. or Debian...something that hasn't sold out. Because being around bands as much as I am, selling out sucks...sooner or later, it just plain sucks.
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Why am I not seeing a problem with this whole "selling off at $50 higher per share" bit? Sounds like some high profit investment to me.... Hell, if I had the money, that's exactly what I'd do.
Seeing as I have nearly 6 gig of MP3s on my work computer alone, why not just sell MP3's via the Internet? People are going to copy music, no matter what media it's on. Half of my CD collection is burned. 90% of my tapes (so I'm dated...so what.) are copied as well. The music industry is going to realize this one sooner or later, and learn to deal with it. The sales figures are just that. Sales. Honest people buying music. Some people are going to copy, some are going to buy. It's a fact of life. Why not make a handy audio format available for more honest people, with bands that they like and have heard of?
While I do agree with your point about Microsoft not wanting anything that praises Linux or bashes Microsoft, how likely is it that Microsoft is going to get any decent amount of business out of the spectrum of people who read this page? In my humble opinion, not very likely. The slogan of/. is "News for nerds" not "News for the masses." It is dedicated to those dedicated to the Open Source. Microsoft is going to have a very hard sell obtaining business in an environment like that.
"When it comes to the choice of the lesser of two evils, I pick the one I haven't tried before."
Since I happen to have (unfortunately) to work on an NT box at work, I decided to look up the exact file sizes of kernel32.dll, wsock.dll, ntldr, ntdetect, and a few others that are part of the kernel. All told, the size of the Windows NT kernel is nearly 2 megs (1730KB). Now that's huge. And slow.
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That's fine, but I would think that it'd be better to attempt to prove this in some sort of controlled environment where the changes would be readily observable, at least moreso than in nature, rather than have something go wrong and decimate an ecosystem. Same reason you should test any patch or upgrade on a staging domain BEFORE you deploy it to your production area. I'd rather contain my damage to something that's non-vital than take down an entire system, thereby proving a bad effect. One line summary: err on the side of caution.
you have hype and fear driving your argument, not reason, don't you see that?
Strangely, I think my arguments are fairly well reasoned. It seems most people here are for scientific progress for the sake of progress, forgetting that for every good thing, there's a bad side effect that should be fully examined as well.
-moitz-
Okay, so instead of shooting your mouth off the other way, how about you show a scientific study saying that genetic alterations WON'T cause any harm to an ecosystem?
Call me crazy, but I don't think having some of these fish or any other genetically modified animal get out and THEN finding out that it does indeed cause severe harm (or any harm at all) is the way we want to go. We've only got one earth, so how about instead of screwing with all sorts of things to "make it better," we work on fixing the stuff we've broken?
-moitz-
-moitz-
Yes, but how exactly do you disable ICQ? What about those of us who have NEVER used ICQ, and don't see any reason to (no one I know uses it...)? I tried Miranda-IM, and finally ended up making up an ICQ number just to get it to open and connect. The FAQ's were of no help (for all you RTFM folks.) I don't like having to do things like that. Some people actually do like things that just work. Hence why I drive a Honda and not a GM (yeah, yeah, flame away.)
I don't mean to sound like an advertisement, but I feel Miranda is far superiour to ICQ or AIM's clients, and Trillian for that matter. Trillian != free, thus I cannot afford it. =P
Strange, I seem to have found a free version of Trillian. It's not exactly like trying to locate the "free" version of RealPlayer or anything. Just go to download.com.com and search for Trillian. It's right there.
-moitz-
Had we really been serious about catching Bin Laden, or whomever planned that, we wouldn't have gone in with guns blazing. That seems to me to have been just a front to satisfy the U.S. public's bloodlust.
This system is designed to lull the public into a sense of false security. One guy decided to plant C4 in his shoe soles, and suddenly, we need our shoes x-rayed? My wife got her eyelash crimper confiscated...what the heck was she going to do with that? Pinch the pilot to death?
And, regardless of if this post is hours old, before I get modded down as a troll, I would like to say that I consider myself conservative, but I don't support in any way, shape or form the Bush administration's response to the recent terrorist event. Far to Hitler-esque for my tastes.
-moitz-
No, they can't.
Yes, they can. Can't and won't are two different things.
Have you ever even bought a parent or grandparent a computer?
Yes. Actually I have (I also support a 300 person department in a Fortune 500 company which means lots of secretaries). I have set up my (formerly absolutely computer illiterate) grandmother with a computer that she can get e-mail on, write letters, print, scan, fax, use her digital camera on, use her sewing machine on, the list goes on. How? PATIENCE YOU PATHETIC GEEKS!!!!! Just because someone doesn't get it as quickly as you do, doesn't mean that they're not capable of learning.
What I've found to be handy is the "Blah Blah Blah for Dummies" books and a handy reference sheet with common things that they'll do and step-by-step instructions on how to do them. Then make sure they know what to do before they call you when they really run stuck (is it plugged in? Turned on? Monitor turned on? Caps lock on, etc). After a few "lessons," my grandma has called me once, because her hard drive wouldn't spin up. And she routinely e-mails me pictures that she took, transfered and edited.
And for the love of all things holy and good, don't act like frickin' Nick Burns, your companies computer guy!
moitz
Yeah, that's just what we need...an undead old anti-Semite.
-moitz-
You know what? Tell your X10 cronjob to take a break. I think we're gonna turn off your lights for you tonight... no no, don't thank us. It's our pleasure.
I thought Manhattan was in New York, not California....
Oh yeah...kinda like Unix w/ XWindows....
moitz:
C:\DOS>_
C:\DOS>run_
Run DOS run
Is MS harboring "terrorist training" camps by continuing to develop and promote VBS?
moitz
In most music circles, except for those such as the Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, and all that other corporate, booker-produced dreck, selling out is the worst thing that a band can do. Look at Sugar Ray. They're complete sell outs. They're also very popular. But, they also suck very much bad.
However, we're not talking about music here. We're talking software. You can still release quality software that meets the demands of the consumers after starting to sell IPOs. It is possible and there are companies who have done it. But those companies are few and far between.
So I suppose the turning point for RedHat, et al is going to be when they stop caring about the GNU public license and the Open Source movement and start caring about giving large returns to the stockholders, most of whom (and you can quote me) probably are going to use M$ until dealing with it gives them an aneurysm and they die. Based on other companies (erhm...M$...diebill), the shift from caring about the end user to caring about the stockholder won't take too long.
I think that I'm going to install S.u.S.E. or Debian...something that hasn't sold out. Because being around bands as much as I am, selling out sucks...sooner or later, it just plain sucks.
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Homer not function beer well without!
Why am I not seeing a problem with this whole "selling off at $50 higher per share" bit? Sounds like some high profit investment to me.... Hell, if I had the money, that's exactly what I'd do.
Seeing as I have nearly 6 gig of MP3s on my work computer alone, why not just sell MP3's via the Internet? People are going to copy music, no matter what media it's on. Half of my CD collection is burned. 90% of my tapes (so I'm dated...so what.) are copied as well.
The music industry is going to realize this one sooner or later, and learn to deal with it. The sales figures are just that. Sales. Honest people buying music. Some people are going to copy, some are going to buy. It's a fact of life. Why not make a handy audio format available for more honest people, with bands that they like and have heard of?
While I do agree with your point about Microsoft not wanting anything that praises Linux or bashes Microsoft, how likely is it that Microsoft is going to get any decent amount of business out of the spectrum of people who read this page? In my humble opinion, not very likely. The slogan of /. is "News for nerds" not "News for the masses." It is dedicated to those dedicated to the Open Source. Microsoft is going to have a very hard sell obtaining business in an environment like that.
"When it comes to the choice of the lesser of two evils, I pick the one I haven't tried before."
Since I happen to have (unfortunately) to work on an NT box at work, I decided to look up the exact file sizes of kernel32.dll, wsock.dll, ntldr, ntdetect, and a few others that are part of the kernel. All told, the size of the Windows NT kernel is nearly 2 megs (1730KB). Now that's huge. And slow.
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