If you, Kazrath, are speaking of the USA then you are truly ignoring reality. As the economy is restructured to worse and ever worse - and no, the economy is not doing well, poverty has been on the dramatic upswing over the past 7 years, it is truly a wonder that the crime rate is not considerably higher than what it presently is. Especially given the 100% corruption of the judicial system and government in this country.
While child-rearing practices should never be ignored, it is simply a minor factor in the overall scheme of things. Your attributing all human behavior to "what is in their best interests" is still nothing more than libertarian - perhaps Ayn Randian - drivel. The criminals are in control, that is the most salient fact of the day. Citizens are punished for proper, constructive behavior while criminal and antisocial behavior is both rewarded and the norm. You are truly living in a schizoid wonderland to suspect anything different is at hand.
Excellent comment, bi_boy. This is EXACTLY why the press (Fourth Estate) is included in the US Constitution. They are always supposed to be doing valuable and necessary reportage of this kind. The problem is that old concentration of the media, and sad to say, that is killing this country.....
While I appreciate Tobin finally coming forward and stating the obvious about that "magic bullet" stuff, the House Select Committee on Assassinations - back in 1979 - pretty much reached similar conclusions, stating that it was most probably a conspiracy involving several or more people. Gee, if only Roselli, Giancana, Paisley, Morales, and de Morenschildt hadn't all mysteriously died just before they were supposed to testify. Gee, I guess it was just another of those strange coincidences.....
Jesus H. Christ, the first historic whistleblower....and look what it got him!
You (iknownuttin) are absolutely right, of course!
I recall years ago when I was a contracter at NSA and they were using the reverse-Polish security system, i.e., the passage monitors were keyed to one's security badge, therefore all one needed to do to go to a higher-level access area was to remove one's security badge.
Unfortunately, regardless of higher intelligence, anyone who subscribes to the bureacratic gods always behave stupidly.....
One other item, most pertinent. In the category - a humongous category at that - of the FBI being played by far more competent people - that situation several years back when senior FBI field agents believed they had turned a Chinese businesswoman/politically-connected citizen of the People's Republic of China - who, as it turned out, the senior FBI agent was sleeping with - did give the feebs a bunch of wrong information. Remember Wen Ho Lee's life being almost completely destroyed? (He was the scientist from Los Alamos in that completely botched investigation based upon disinformation from China's Department of Public Security.) There are too many other like instances to list, but you should get the picture.....
Incompetent law enforcement may well be worst than none at all.
Actually, no. Incompetent law enforcement - and purposefully incompetent law enforcement (as in paid Feeb snitches to organized crime and the Sovs) causes far more problems than NO law enforcement.
A common problem with the FBI appears to be political interference with any actual investigation.
Now I have to agree with that statement as the same two middle-management individuals, Frasca and Maltbie, who either sat on, or refused to acknowledge all the highly detailed tips regarding the attacks of 9/11/01, including those from FBI agents working that area, also appeared to have sat on the Anthrax Assassin tipoffs - and probably because the alleged individual was connected with highly placed Bush Administration officials. All the more suspect, in many people's opinion......(Once more I suggest looking into the history of the US Marshal Service as opposed to the REAL history of the FBI.)
Well said, Good Citizen m2943, well said. This from the guys who, according to recently declassified CIA documents ("The Family Jewels"), gave us biological warfare experiments on American children back in the '60s - you know, when George H.W. Bush was still with the CIA as an active agent - are just the guys I don't trust with ANYTHING!
Another outstanding point, Good Citizen Hoi_Polloi!
It is interesting to note that First Data, the major corporation which handles the vast majority of online check/credit transfers throughout North America, did immediately and freely offer their services for monitoring by the Busheviks right after 9/11/01. They also have had a top position with the Council on Foreign Relations - which may be a pertinent point. Regardless, such financial and business intelligence is exactly why this crime organization running America today does such monitoring - be it by utilizing First Data, or AT&T switches, or any of the 70-plus private - online - contractors that have federal contracts to provide such realtime data to a particular office (can you spell T.I.A.?) in the government.....
Intelligent and most cogent point, Good Citizen Hoi_Polloi!
It is interesting to remember that the most high-profile case they FBI (Fools, Bozos and Ingrates) pursued was that completely bogus one where they attempted - and failed - to smear Scott Ritter with that phony child molester allegation -- promptly thrown out of court with the federal judge soundly rebuking those Feebs at the useless FBI.
Of course, the FBI should probably be used to such rebukes as they've collected a countless number of them over the past forty years. I once did a research project for a political organization on the FBI - truly a most useless organization...the true lawmen (especially of the 20th century) was/is the US Marshals Service - truly heroes who on more than one occasion, probably saved democracy in America. Truly unsung heroes (and heroines), indeed!
Don't forget, those clowns at the Federal Bureau of Investigation (what a misnomer that is!) sat on the major tipoff to the (alleged) anthrax assassin for over eight months - and this was after 9/11/01!!!!
An excellent example of the frequent cowardly behavior (and anti-American behavior) of the FBI - and the heroism of the US Marshal Service - is presented in a passage regarding the integration of the University of Mississippi by the Kennedy Administration in the truly outstanding book by David Talbot (founder of Salon.com) titled "Brothers: Hidden history of the Kennedy years".
I use both insults along with arguing the point quite rationally. I simply have no further patience with mindless zombies who can never see beyond the emotional propaganda (which, BTW, is against federal law) spewed forth by the corporate McMedia. Just as I have absolutely no patience with idiots who can't understand that torture is not acceptable - and the ONLY reason Cheney/Bush want torture is because they, and specifically they and their criminal miscreant cronies, enjoy it.
Hey, vdorie, I wish you would stop confusing the nimrods and f-tards by bringing logic and factual data to this dicussion. Please get with the program, dood: the sole purpose of the Busheviks is to raise the price of oil for all their friends and family (criminal cronies, that is). They have been eminently successful in their pursuit. Cut them some slack, guy.....End of Sarcasm
One day I will write a rebuttal to that draft-dodger, Tom Brokaw, entitled: "Greatest Generation, My Ass!" (Or how they let the murderers of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Bobby Kennedy get away with it!)
This ain't Iraq. I was for the war in Iraq, and I still am.
What is this war you (ArcherB) keep prattling on about as if you are suffering from early-onset Alzheimers??? The term "insurgents" indicates the locals who are rebelling against foreign invaders. (No doubt a subliterate such as yourself believes that term to mean "al Qaeda.")
There is an OCCUPATION of Iraq by foreign invaders, namely, the US of A, clown, get that? Our intel??? Would that be the intel from the very same sixteen intel entities which are unable to locate Osama (that would be Counsin Osama to the Bush family) nor that anthrax assassin who killed and attempted to kill US Congress persons (specifically democratic congresspersons, don't forget)? You never make any sense -- that Iranian president - who has continuously been purposively misquoted (although I am no fan of his nor any other religious wacko) by the US and Israeli corporate meda said the following: "If a Holocaust really took place during WWII, then why don't they give the Jews land in either Germany or Europe, instead of stealing the Palestinian's land?" (I'm paraphrasing here, but I received that translation from a former CIA agent who is skillfully fluent in Farsi, Arabic and several other languages and once served in Iran.)
Obviously the numbers are at present lower than Bush's because they've allowed Dick(less) Cheney and George W(easel) Bush to remain in office after violating an untold number of federal and international laws......
No, it most certainly is not - and it is an important point to ALWAYS remind people of IBM's amoral conveyance of equipment used in the Holocaust of World War II by the Nazis - but that came to light long after the players had left the game, so to speak. Which was the point I was making. Ever far more to the point is the existence of an imbecile in the White House, with a lineage of pure and unadulterated evil -- obviously elected by a bunch of like-minded imbeciles.
George Weasel Bush, great-grandson of the first president and one of the founders of the most anti-worker organization in America, the National Association of Manufacturers, grandson of Nazi-lover Prescott Bush, who attempted to enlist the aid of General Smedley Butler to overthrow the government of the United States of America (from the proceedings of the 1934 House on Un-American Activities Investigation, National Archives); son of George H.W. Bush, who was fraudulently awarded medals for panicking during WWII and leaving his fellow aircrew members to die, and who was sighted in Dallas on November 21, 1963 (the day before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy), meeting with David Atlee Phillips (CIA) and Jack Ruby.
That bit of information ONLY came to light long after the end of World War II, douchebag!
Thanks for adding a completely nonsensical remark to demonstrate your infinite level of ignorance on the subject, though......(And many corporations - and individuals - were severely punished for doing EXACTLY what the Bush Crime Organization is doing today, namely, war (and death) profiteering at the most obscene levels imaginable.)
Well spoken, Good Citizen, MightyMartian, well spoken.
Certainly, the corrupt politicians in the USA (and elsewhere) speak of "free trade" - which is an impossiblity where totalitarian regimes are concerned.
Whether they are of the mild type, such as Singapore, or the much more brutally authoritarian, such as China, Myanmar, Malaysia, et al. (in which direction America is moving towards), trading where slave labor is used and utilized is never true trading, simply de facto aiding and abetting of these regimes at the expense of its own working citizenry.
Corporations have two goals: increase the price of their stock and produce dividends for investors.
Oh, puuuuhlease and give me a frigging break, StevisF, on this tired crock about what corporations exist for. Since that fascist "law" they foisted upon America back in 1888 (research into it if you're ignorant about it - hint: charter) they've amassed an encyclopedic record of crime and corruption and destruction of the citizenry.
So please cut the sanctimonious BS already. It was once against federal law - and most reasonably so - for corporations to make any donations whatsoever to politicians and political candidates. Chew on that, cowboy.....(and "in the wake of 9/11" doesn't cut crap, ponyo).
Holy shit, drdanny_orig, an intelligent post - getting rarer and rarer at this site these days, sometimes seems to be overrun with neocon frogmeisters.....
ALL facilities and commercial endeavors ARE vulnerable to the attacks you imagined, which is why you are lacking in imagination --- as is the f-tard who modded you a measley 2 points.....
It's weird to me that no-one seems to have realised yet that you could...
What's weird to me is that you are still so fundamentally clueless. Are you perhaps related to Tommy "All Americans should be microchipped" Thompson, Bush's former head of HHS? The clown, who on the day he resigned from the Bush cabinet states, It's weird to me that no-one seems to have realised yet that you could kill far more Americans by sabotaging our food supply!!!!!
It's weird to me that nimrods such as you probably still believe Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld are just incompetent bumbling boobs with absolutely no connection to the events of 9/11/01. It's especially weird to me that you've probably never bothered to investigate the passenger lists of those four planes utilized that day, especially the backgrounds of the government contractors/federal appointees aboard them, and why two of those commercial airliners weren't registered normally with the FAA flight registry because they were "open chartered DOD flights." 'nuff said....
You're absolutely right, of course. What most people actually mean, is that the brain is hard-wired for pattern analysis, sometimes seeking patterns where none actually exists....
Dood - you soooo obviously don't read - so please attend to the list below for a minimum of enlightenment!
21st Century Reading List:
The Bush Agenda by Antonia Juhasz, American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips, Blood Money by T. Christian Miller, Hostile Takeover by David Sirota, Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast, Brothers by David Talbot, Other People's Money by Nomi Prins, Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, No Place To Hide by Robert O'Harrow, Screwed: The Undeclared War Against The Middle Class Thom Hartmann, War is a Racket by General Smedley Butler, Licensed to Kill by Robert Young Pelton, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace by Gore Vidal, John Kenneth Galbraith by Richard Parker
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While child-rearing practices should never be ignored, it is simply a minor factor in the overall scheme of things. Your attributing all human behavior to "what is in their best interests" is still nothing more than libertarian - perhaps Ayn Randian - drivel. The criminals are in control, that is the most salient fact of the day. Citizens are punished for proper, constructive behavior while criminal and antisocial behavior is both rewarded and the norm. You are truly living in a schizoid wonderland to suspect anything different is at hand.
For a bit Reality Economics 101, check this out
Excellent comment, bi_boy. This is EXACTLY why the press (Fourth Estate) is included in the US Constitution. They are always supposed to be doing valuable and necessary reportage of this kind. The problem is that old concentration of the media, and sad to say, that is killing this country.....
Jesus H. Christ, the first historic whistleblower....and look what it got him!
I believe, Citizen spleen_blender, you require a dose of THIS. Humanity is definitely overrated.....
Wow...built like BioBricks, huh? Does this mean I could put together Paris Hilton....or Lindsey Lohan??
I recall years ago when I was a contracter at NSA and they were using the reverse-Polish security system, i.e., the passage monitors were keyed to one's security badge, therefore all one needed to do to go to a higher-level access area was to remove one's security badge.
Unfortunately, regardless of higher intelligence, anyone who subscribes to the bureacratic gods always behave stupidly.....
One other item, most pertinent. In the category - a humongous category at that - of the FBI being played by far more competent people - that situation several years back when senior FBI field agents believed they had turned a Chinese businesswoman/politically-connected citizen of the People's Republic of China - who, as it turned out, the senior FBI agent was sleeping with - did give the feebs a bunch of wrong information. Remember Wen Ho Lee's life being almost completely destroyed? (He was the scientist from Los Alamos in that completely botched investigation based upon disinformation from China's Department of Public Security.) There are too many other like instances to list, but you should get the picture.....
And speaking of prior art......
Actually, no. Incompetent law enforcement - and purposefully incompetent law enforcement (as in paid Feeb snitches to organized crime and the Sovs) causes far more problems than NO law enforcement.
A common problem with the FBI appears to be political interference with any actual investigation.
Now I have to agree with that statement as the same two middle-management individuals, Frasca and Maltbie, who either sat on, or refused to acknowledge all the highly detailed tips regarding the attacks of 9/11/01, including those from FBI agents working that area, also appeared to have sat on the Anthrax Assassin tipoffs - and probably because the alleged individual was connected with highly placed Bush Administration officials. All the more suspect, in many people's opinion......(Once more I suggest looking into the history of the US Marshal Service as opposed to the REAL history of the FBI.)
Well said, Good Citizen m2943, well said. This from the guys who, according to recently declassified CIA documents ("The Family Jewels"), gave us biological warfare experiments on American children back in the '60s - you know, when George H.W. Bush was still with the CIA as an active agent - are just the guys I don't trust with ANYTHING!
It is interesting to note that First Data, the major corporation which handles the vast majority of online check/credit transfers throughout North America, did immediately and freely offer their services for monitoring by the Busheviks right after 9/11/01. They also have had a top position with the Council on Foreign Relations - which may be a pertinent point. Regardless, such financial and business intelligence is exactly why this crime organization running America today does such monitoring - be it by utilizing First Data, or AT&T switches, or any of the 70-plus private - online - contractors that have federal contracts to provide such realtime data to a particular office (can you spell T.I.A.?) in the government.....
It is interesting to remember that the most high-profile case they FBI (Fools, Bozos and Ingrates) pursued was that completely bogus one where they attempted - and failed - to smear Scott Ritter with that phony child molester allegation -- promptly thrown out of court with the federal judge soundly rebuking those Feebs at the useless FBI.
Of course, the FBI should probably be used to such rebukes as they've collected a countless number of them over the past forty years. I once did a research project for a political organization on the FBI - truly a most useless organization...the true lawmen (especially of the 20th century) was/is the US Marshals Service - truly heroes who on more than one occasion, probably saved democracy in America. Truly unsung heroes (and heroines), indeed!
Don't forget, those clowns at the Federal Bureau of Investigation (what a misnomer that is!) sat on the major tipoff to the (alleged) anthrax assassin for over eight months - and this was after 9/11/01!!!!
An excellent example of the frequent cowardly behavior (and anti-American behavior) of the FBI - and the heroism of the US Marshal Service - is presented in a passage regarding the integration of the University of Mississippi by the Kennedy Administration in the truly outstanding book by David Talbot (founder of Salon.com) titled "Brothers: Hidden history of the Kennedy years".
I use both insults along with arguing the point quite rationally. I simply have no further patience with mindless zombies who can never see beyond the emotional propaganda (which, BTW, is against federal law) spewed forth by the corporate McMedia. Just as I have absolutely no patience with idiots who can't understand that torture is not acceptable - and the ONLY reason Cheney/Bush want torture is because they, and specifically they and their criminal miscreant cronies, enjoy it.
One day I will write a rebuttal to that draft-dodger, Tom Brokaw, entitled: "Greatest Generation, My Ass!" (Or how they let the murderers of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Bobby Kennedy get away with it!)
What is this war you (ArcherB) keep prattling on about as if you are suffering from early-onset Alzheimers??? The term "insurgents" indicates the locals who are rebelling against foreign invaders. (No doubt a subliterate such as yourself believes that term to mean "al Qaeda.")
There is an OCCUPATION of Iraq by foreign invaders, namely, the US of A, clown, get that? Our intel??? Would that be the intel from the very same sixteen intel entities which are unable to locate Osama (that would be Counsin Osama to the Bush family) nor that anthrax assassin who killed and attempted to kill US Congress persons (specifically democratic congresspersons, don't forget)? You never make any sense -- that Iranian president - who has continuously been purposively misquoted (although I am no fan of his nor any other religious wacko) by the US and Israeli corporate meda said the following: "If a Holocaust really took place during WWII, then why don't they give the Jews land in either Germany or Europe, instead of stealing the Palestinian's land?" (I'm paraphrasing here, but I received that translation from a former CIA agent who is skillfully fluent in Farsi, Arabic and several other languages and once served in Iran.)
Obviously the numbers are at present lower than Bush's because they've allowed Dick(less) Cheney and George W(easel) Bush to remain in office after violating an untold number of federal and international laws......
George Weasel Bush, great-grandson of the first president and one of the founders of the most anti-worker organization in America, the National Association of Manufacturers, grandson of Nazi-lover Prescott Bush, who attempted to enlist the aid of General Smedley Butler to overthrow the government of the United States of America (from the proceedings of the 1934 House on Un-American Activities Investigation, National Archives); son of George H.W. Bush, who was fraudulently awarded medals for panicking during WWII and leaving his fellow aircrew members to die, and who was sighted in Dallas on November 21, 1963 (the day before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy), meeting with David Atlee Phillips (CIA) and Jack Ruby.
Thanks for adding a completely nonsensical remark to demonstrate your infinite level of ignorance on the subject, though......(And many corporations - and individuals - were severely punished for doing EXACTLY what the Bush Crime Organization is doing today, namely, war (and death) profiteering at the most obscene levels imaginable.)
Certainly, the corrupt politicians in the USA (and elsewhere) speak of "free trade" - which is an impossiblity where totalitarian regimes are concerned.
Whether they are of the mild type, such as Singapore, or the much more brutally authoritarian, such as China, Myanmar, Malaysia, et al. (in which direction America is moving towards), trading where slave labor is used and utilized is never true trading, simply de facto aiding and abetting of these regimes at the expense of its own working citizenry.
Oh, puuuuhlease and give me a frigging break, StevisF, on this tired crock about what corporations exist for. Since that fascist "law" they foisted upon America back in 1888 (research into it if you're ignorant about it - hint: charter) they've amassed an encyclopedic record of crime and corruption and destruction of the citizenry.
So please cut the sanctimonious BS already. It was once against federal law - and most reasonably so - for corporations to make any donations whatsoever to politicians and political candidates. Chew on that, cowboy.....(and "in the wake of 9/11" doesn't cut crap, ponyo).
Holy shit, drdanny_orig, an intelligent post - getting rarer and rarer at this site these days, sometimes seems to be overrun with neocon frogmeisters.....
ALL facilities and commercial endeavors ARE vulnerable to the attacks you imagined, which is why you are lacking in imagination --- as is the f-tard who modded you a measley 2 points.....
What's weird to me is that you are still so fundamentally clueless. Are you perhaps related to Tommy "All Americans should be microchipped" Thompson, Bush's former head of HHS? The clown, who on the day he resigned from the Bush cabinet states, It's weird to me that no-one seems to have realised yet that you could kill far more Americans by sabotaging our food supply!!!!!
It's weird to me that nimrods such as you probably still believe Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld are just incompetent bumbling boobs with absolutely no connection to the events of 9/11/01. It's especially weird to me that you've probably never bothered to investigate the passenger lists of those four planes utilized that day, especially the backgrounds of the government contractors/federal appointees aboard them, and why two of those commercial airliners weren't registered normally with the FAA flight registry because they were "open chartered DOD flights." 'nuff said....
You're absolutely right, of course. What most people actually mean, is that the brain is hard-wired for pattern analysis, sometimes seeking patterns where none actually exists....
Dood - you soooo obviously don't read - so please attend to the list below for a minimum of enlightenment!
21st Century Reading List:
The Bush Agenda by Antonia Juhasz, American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips, Blood Money by T. Christian Miller, Hostile Takeover by David Sirota, Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast, Brothers by David Talbot, Other People's Money by Nomi Prins, Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, No Place To Hide by Robert O'Harrow, Screwed: The Undeclared War Against The Middle Class Thom Hartmann, War is a Racket by General Smedley Butler, Licensed to Kill by Robert Young Pelton, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace by Gore Vidal, John Kenneth Galbraith by Richard Parker