Using an Avaya VOIP system at my office and remote sites (over vpn) i have to say its good to great quality. cant tell that the user is on an IP or a normal digital set.
Side note, off topic: Avaya RAPES people when they want to go VoIP. I got a quote for ~100g for my office setup which prompted me to go with asterisk. At the end of the day, it was 15g, with redudant servers with good hardware. If a server dies, the voip services can be transfered in a few minutes. I'm working right now to learn how to switch them transparently.
I have my own setup here ( asterisk + connect.voicepulse.com ), with a polycom 500IP phone ( sip ), and I use the ulaw codecs.
It's better than a landline, and it's lightyears beyond a cell.
There are a few issues: 1) No 911. I haven't set it up yet. This is specific to my situation, vonage and similar companies have this taken care of 2) I am not entirely dependant on my inet connection.
Open vs non-open is a slightly different issue, but if using Direct3D was really all that horrible, would it still have as widespread support from developers?
Yes.
Why? Because, as the old saying goes: No one ever got fired for using MS ( well, IBM..but the point is, sadly, the same ).
You've got this company saying they will give you the IDE, free, to develop games on their platform. Possibly free training thrown in. On the other hand, you have this open tech that you will have to build your own tools to use, or use someone else's that you don't pay for.
Not disagreeing with you, but the longer you sit on a 0-day, the higher the chance someone else uses it, or something close enough to it, to negate your advantage.
You can do network auth using ldap. You can encrypt it with ssl.
You can use nfs to mount home directories. And HEY! When you login, no matter the machine, you have *your* settings. And here's the part that ms is still trying to get right: You don't have to load your profile over the network. That's right, it mounts the drive and from that point forward, it treats it as local. No mismatch versions on the server, no sync errors, nada.
So please do your research before hand.
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and voicepulse. I've used them for three months now to an asterisk box, they are awsome. iax2 termination, multiple codecs. Two thumbs way up.
There comes a point where you have to say, "Who cares"?
Seriously, the results are the same regardless of their motives.
To put in another light: I give you 100 bucks with no strings attached. Am I doing it to be nice, or to show off? Who cares? You have a 100 extra bucks.
I stopped watching TV years ago, and with a few rare exceptions, I do not miss it at all.
Of course, they canceled one the exceptions ( farscape ), further reinforcing my decision.
That's the only way things will change: Vote with your cash, or in this case, your unwillingness to deal with their crap. You may think you *need* your TV, but you don't.
The difference being, of course, you don't have to work with kde to do administration.
That said, I completely agree. I'll take it a step further and say they should snag the UI requirements that apple has available for software developers to ensure consistent look and feel on their OS ( I believe those are freely available ) and use that to redesign KDE once and for all. Or come up with their own list, but *stick* to it, and further, don't approve software apps for kde unless they follow the list as well ( note: not saying people can't develop for KDE without these requirements, just saying they won't be "officially approved" ).
The important thing is to make the entire thing feel consistent. If I right click in one window, I expect the same behavoir there as I do in any other window. That kind of thing.
That's cool, they can feel however they want. However, I will continue to remind people that the same network behind this show is the same one that makes these kind of decisions.
More than that, there are applications that require IE.
Example, and I will use names: Webclaims. It's an online claim submitter for medical insurance. It requires IE with at least a medium security setting, you have less trouble if you set it to low. Further, the local client requires at least superuser access. Can you imagine what security implications this has?
While applications like this continue to be made, IE will have a hold on corporate desktops.
I don't know what the rage over VoIP is -- the telephone system has worked for many, many years. We're just opening ourselves up for another avenue of attack. Can anyone say terrorists with WiFi blockers?
This I can answer:
The office I work at has 3 locations ( soon to be four ) in wildly different area codes. We are getting larger, so we want to make our very own call center in one of the offices ( dr's office ), so the other three can simply focus on the patient.
Using traditional methods, this would require all sorts of funky telco stuff, and a few 1800 numbers. Not even going to mention the shit from a phone supplier.
However, using voip ( asterisk specifically ), I was able to build this for them with about a 30g budget. That includes the 4th office. And tons of redunancy. All calls from the different locations get routed ( over our vpn ) to a central office which then handles them efficiently. And it's completely transparent to the patient.
A similar system from a phone companie ( *cough*avaya*cough* ) would run you will into the 100s of thousands. And it wouldn't be an open standard system. And it wouldn't have most of the features that this system does.
Put simply; voip is a way to package and control a phone call. One I have the call, I can do whatever I want with it. The possibilities are staggering.
Seriously, could we put some quotes around that title? Aside from being sensational, it makes it seem as if that's Slashdot's official line, instead the allegations of another.
And I know, just *know*, slashdot editors don't think that. ( well, hope really. Possibly denial, I'll let you know )
A photograph of a field of long dry savanna grass as your desktop background... where the grass is gently swooshed around by a breeze created by moving your mouse across the background
Well shit, I'm a command line junky, but sign me up. Seriously, this would be bad ass if it were integrated correctly into the overall desktop.
Well. Except electronic versions are easier to fake than the real thing.
Example: From memory, I can construct an email that is exactly like the real ones I get. Down to the Message-ID header looking authentic. Depending on the email system, that may be all that's required.
This is much harder to do with written communications. Should they still be held to the same standard? *shrug* If you can guarantee me that all electronic comms are authentic, then I don't see why not, otherwise...
As the leader of the company, in public he needs to be wearing his "RAH RAH RAH!" hat at all times. No no, no threat to our business model here! Everything is sweet cream and strawberries!
However, he knows the truth, and if he feels he needs to communicate that to someone, how does he do it?
By switching hats of course. As a memo to employees, he is supposed to wear the "Stern but fair father" hat. No bullshit, just the facts.
The real question here is: Who was he trying to communicate this to? Is he softening up the investors for a less than stellar quarter? Is he giving his partners a heads up on some new method of distribution?
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Using an Avaya VOIP system at my office and remote sites (over vpn) i have to say its good to great quality. cant tell that the user is on an IP or a normal digital set.
Side note, off topic: Avaya RAPES people when they want to go VoIP. I got a quote for ~100g for my office setup which prompted me to go with asterisk. At the end of the day, it was 15g, with redudant servers with good hardware. If a server dies, the voip services can be transfered in a few minutes. I'm working right now to learn how to switch them transparently.
I have my own setup here ( asterisk + connect.voicepulse.com ), with a polycom 500IP phone ( sip ), and I use the ulaw codecs.
It's better than a landline, and it's lightyears beyond a cell.
There are a few issues: 1) No 911. I haven't set it up yet. This is specific to my situation, vonage and similar companies have this taken care of 2) I am not entirely dependant on my inet connection.
Open vs non-open is a slightly different issue, but if using Direct3D was really all that horrible, would it still have as widespread support from developers?
Yes.
Why? Because, as the old saying goes: No one ever got fired for using MS ( well, IBM..but the point is, sadly, the same ).
You've got this company saying they will give you the IDE, free, to develop games on their platform. Possibly free training thrown in. On the other hand, you have this open tech that you will have to build your own tools to use, or use someone else's that you don't pay for.
It's very confusing for PHBs.
Not disagreeing with you, but the longer you sit on a 0-day, the higher the chance someone else uses it, or something close enough to it, to negate your advantage.
Just a small note.
...I might get a license.
...
oooo...my head.
You can do network auth using ldap. You can encrypt it with ssl.
You can use nfs to mount home directories. And HEY! When you login, no matter the machine, you have *your* settings. And here's the part that ms is still trying to get right: You don't have to load your profile over the network. That's right, it mounts the drive and from that point forward, it treats it as local. No mismatch versions on the server, no sync errors, nada.
So please do your research before hand.
and voicepulse. I've used them for three months now to an asterisk box, they are awsome. iax2 termination, multiple codecs. Two thumbs way up.
There comes a point where you have to say, "Who cares"?
Seriously, the results are the same regardless of their motives.
To put in another light: I give you 100 bucks with no strings attached. Am I doing it to be nice, or to show off? Who cares? You have a 100 extra bucks.
I stopped watching TV years ago, and with a few rare exceptions, I do not miss it at all.
Of course, they canceled one the exceptions ( farscape ), further reinforcing my decision.
That's the only way things will change: Vote with your cash, or in this case, your unwillingness to deal with their crap. You may think you *need* your TV, but you don't.
If I had mod points, I'd mod you up for your sig alone.
"Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way: Turn"
*unlikely.
And I previewed it too.
As I ( and most people who know me ) don't use any music services, this won't affect me.
What we do do, right or wrong, is rip CDs and share them between ourselves. So person A buys a CD, rips it, we all share it.
The kicker is, we have so much music, it's likely the same song is ever played at the same time at two different locations.
The difference being, of course, you don't have to work with kde to do administration.
That said, I completely agree. I'll take it a step further and say they should snag the UI requirements that apple has available for software developers to ensure consistent look and feel on their OS ( I believe those are freely available ) and use that to redesign KDE once and for all. Or come up with their own list, but *stick* to it, and further, don't approve software apps for kde unless they follow the list as well ( note: not saying people can't develop for KDE without these requirements, just saying they won't be "officially approved" ).
The important thing is to make the entire thing feel consistent. If I right click in one window, I expect the same behavoir there as I do in any other window. That kind of thing.
Bravo, excellent joke. I salute your geekiness!
That's cool, they can feel however they want. However, I will continue to remind people that the same network behind this show is the same one that makes these kind of decisions.
I know this is the new "thing" and all, but sci fi lost me when they cancled farscape.
And then replaced it with tremors the series.
Those kind of decisions do not sit well with me.
More than that, there are applications that require IE.
Example, and I will use names: Webclaims. It's an online claim submitter for medical insurance. It requires IE with at least a medium security setting, you have less trouble if you set it to low. Further, the local client requires at least superuser access. Can you imagine what security implications this has?
While applications like this continue to be made, IE will have a hold on corporate desktops.
Most people are idiots.
And I have proof: Look at human history.
I don't know what the rage over VoIP is -- the telephone system has worked for many, many years. We're just opening ourselves up for another avenue of attack. Can anyone say terrorists with WiFi blockers?
This I can answer:
The office I work at has 3 locations ( soon to be four ) in wildly different area codes. We are getting larger, so we want to make our very own call center in one of the offices ( dr's office ), so the other three can simply focus on the patient.
Using traditional methods, this would require all sorts of funky telco stuff, and a few 1800 numbers. Not even going to mention the shit from a phone supplier.
However, using voip ( asterisk specifically ), I was able to build this for them with about a 30g budget. That includes the 4th office. And tons of redunancy. All calls from the different locations get routed ( over our vpn ) to a central office which then handles them efficiently. And it's completely transparent to the patient.
A similar system from a phone companie ( *cough*avaya*cough* ) would run you will into the 100s of thousands. And it wouldn't be an open standard system. And it wouldn't have most of the features that this system does.
Put simply; voip is a way to package and control a phone call. One I have the call, I can do whatever I want with it. The possibilities are staggering.
I *LOVE* THIS BOOK.
..and...someone else who I just blanked on.
And you just made my evening, thank you sir.
To any who are curious: The book is called, "Good Omens", it's by Terry Prachet ( Disc world fame ) and
It's freakin' hilarious. Really the only book I have ever read that made me laugh out loud.
I hate being right
Seriously, could we put some quotes around that title? Aside from being sensational, it makes it seem as if that's Slashdot's official line, instead the allegations of another.
And I know, just *know*, slashdot editors don't think that. ( well, hope really. Possibly denial, I'll let you know )
A photograph of a field of long dry savanna grass as your desktop background... where the grass is gently swooshed around by a breeze created by moving your mouse across the background
Well shit, I'm a command line junky, but sign me up. Seriously, this would be bad ass if it were integrated correctly into the overall desktop.
Well. Except electronic versions are easier to fake than the real thing.
Example: From memory, I can construct an email that is exactly like the real ones I get. Down to the Message-ID header looking authentic. Depending on the email system, that may be all that's required.
This is much harder to do with written communications. Should they still be held to the same standard? *shrug* If you can guarantee me that all electronic comms are authentic, then I don't see why not, otherwise...
As the leader of the company, in public he needs to be wearing his "RAH RAH RAH!" hat at all times. No no, no threat to our business model here! Everything is sweet cream and strawberries!
However, he knows the truth, and if he feels he needs to communicate that to someone, how does he do it?
By switching hats of course. As a memo to employees, he is supposed to wear the "Stern but fair father" hat. No bullshit, just the facts.
The real question here is: Who was he trying to communicate this to? Is he softening up the investors for a less than stellar quarter? Is he giving his partners a heads up on some new method of distribution?