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Linux Server Break-in Challenge

Sujit writes "Are you an Internet security expert at heart or by profession? Ever thought of trying your skill at a professionally set up server? If you are ready, enter. The Linux Server Break-in challenge. You will have a server available on the Internet 96 hours without interruption starting from 9 March 2005 2 AM IST. However, the server's life on the Net is in your hands."

327 comments

  1. Alternately, . . . by Maradine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Post the IP address here. That'll compromise it.

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    1. Re:Alternately, . . . by dtfinch · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's 192.168.0.103. Let the hacking begin!

    2. Re:Alternately, . . . by justforaday · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's 192.168.0.103. Let the hacking begin!

      w00t!!! I got in! They used the same root password as I use on my box...What do I win???

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    3. Re:Alternately, . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to my sources it's 66.35.250.150. Seems to be some kind of Linux based webserver running some guy's blog. ;-)

    4. Re:Alternately, . . . by Council · · Score: 4, Funny

      Use the credit card numbers hidden on the box to buy absolutely anything you want.

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    5. Re:Alternately, . . . by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 1

      The official IP address is 207.46.245.156 I know, it's a microsoft IP, but it's probably running FreeBSD. Is that close enough?

    6. Re:Alternately, . . . by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      How'd you get my IP?

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    7. Re:Alternately, . . . by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny
      No it's not. It's at 216.250.128.12

      a.k.a. SCO.com (after all, they claim to own all linux, so have at 'em, boys and girls)

    8. Re:Alternately, . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Internet security expert"

      Is that what they are calling hackers these days?

    9. Re:Alternately, . . . by taanstaafl · · Score: 1

      funny... although if this is serious then it will be owned by lunchtime...

    10. Re:Alternately, . . . by theVP · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can see it now. A linux geek in front of his computer, putting his pokemon hat on, and getting his pokemon cards ready for battle. Then, with much hesitation, he makes his decision. As he types in the server's IP address on Slashdot, he cries out, "Slashdot Effect, I choose YOU!!!"

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    11. Re:Alternately, . . . by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 2, Funny
      Use the credit card numbers hidden on the box to buy absolutely anything you want.
      I tried, but the loser has some pathetically low credit limit. :(
    12. Re:Alternately, . . . by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

      What do you win? Now they know they can hack your box back and wreck it! :)

    13. Re:Alternately, . . . by Technician · · Score: 1

      How long till my Hawking printserver melts. That is the address of my laser priner! Funny, I got in in no time. It still has the password I set when I installed it.

      What have they got against me. Why are they using my poor printserer?

      Come on guys, what is taking you so long. The passowrd is limited to only 8 digits..

      OK who's the wise guy that didn't give the real server address..

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    14. Re:Alternately, . . . by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      RTFA.
      No Money. Just applause.

      LK

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    15. Re:Alternately, . . . by akjacob · · Score: 1

      IP Address: 202.88.234.250

    16. Re:Alternately, . . . by didde · · Score: 1


      No, no, no! You're one misinformed Dude. The current IP of the box is 127.0.0.1.

    17. Re:Alternately, . . . by legirons · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For a related challenge, Maplin.co.uk is displaying a big sign labelled "Hacker safe, tested daily" on their front page. Netcraft lists it as running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000, its IP address is 195.92.224.143, and the only TCP access is through HTTP and HTTPS ports.

    18. Re:Alternately, . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's 202.88.234.250 if you really want to get in.

      IP address is taken from the web site so I'm sorry if they change it.

    19. Re:Alternately, . . . by Cronky · · Score: 1

      Yes I've noticed that bit of bravado before. I take all "hacker-proof" claims with a serious bag load of salt!

  2. /. Effect by md81544 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Just put its URL up... we'll slashdot it to death in no time...

    1. Re:/. Effect by 'nother+poster · · Score: 3, Funny
    2. Re:/. Effect by varmittang · · Score: 1

      http://www.slashdot.org Look above, lets see if it survives.

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    3. Re:/. Effect by dayid · · Score: 1

      Seems to have already put down the main host of the rules for the competition... what a surprise.

  3. Isn't this illegal? by harris+s+newman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if it's with the system owner's permission, wouldn't this be considered illegal and prosecutable?

    1. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Gabrill · · Score: 2, Funny

      Possibly, but then again, SCO isn't running the contest.

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    2. Re:Isn't this illegal? by mahdi13 · · Score: 1

      I think it falls under the same rules that http://www.hackerslab.org/eorg/ uses

      whatever those may be...offshore?

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    3. Re:Isn't this illegal? by LordEd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hacking isn't illegal. Hacking without permission is illegal. The distinction is unauthorized access. The owner of the box is giving free license to everyone to attack it.

      Its just like corporations hiring security experts to attack their systems in order to find flaws (and strengthen their defenses)

    4. Re:Isn't this illegal? by northcat · · Score: 1

      Of course not. You can do whatever you want with your computer once you bought it. And you can do almost whatever you want with FOSS software. Of course, you can't do some things with proprietary software, like reverse engineering. But still, just exploiting a vulnerability on *your* machine with proprietary software is not illegal. And if you give permission to someone else, they can do this too. Your question is like asking whether it's illegal to hire a locksmith to break the lock on the door of *your own* house.

    5. Re:Isn't this illegal? by gowen · · Score: 1
      Its just like corporations hiring security experts to attack their systems in order to find flaws (and strengthen their defenses)
      Only, you know, cheaper.

      And less effective.
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    6. Re:Isn't this illegal? by rfc1394 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Even if it's with the system owner's permission, wouldn't this be considered illegal and prosecutable?

      No. While I am not a lawyer, the statute on computer trespass are clear that access without permission and beyond one's authorization are illegal. If the access is within one's authorization or owner grants permission for access, it is not illegal.

      Permission can be implied. Anyone who puts up a website gives implied permission to access it (since the whole idea of posting a website is to get people to access it, presumably either to give them information - or get information from them - or to sell them something (or buy something from them).) If that were not the case, every person who accessed a website could be charged with the crime of computer trespass since they were not explicitly given permission to access that computer!

      If you go to a car dealer, ask to take a test drive, some will simply photocopy your license and hand you the keys, and it's reasonable you can borrow it for 5 minutes or so to drive around the block. (Some will send a salesperson along for the ride; depends on the dealer and the probability of theft.) But if you walked in, took the keys and did the same thing, they could prosecute you for grand theft auto.

      Where the owner has publicly given permission and in fact, has encouraged people to access the system as root, this would constitute explicit permission and thus no crime could occur for hacking their box.

      Paul Robinson

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    7. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if it violates your ISP's Terms of Service aggreement.

    8. Re:Isn't this illegal? by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Of course, you can't do some things with proprietary software, like reverse engineering.

      Ouch! You can certainly do reverse engineering for fair use purposes like writing interoperable software or playing the game you legally bought without a CD. What you can not do is violate copyright and post a cracked copy on kazaa.

      Used samba or OpenOffice lately? Don't give Microsoft or your government any ideas now...

      By the way, unintended but non-fradulant use of an internet service is also legal. Otherwise web crawlers would be banned long time ago.

    9. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Its just like corporations hiring security experts to attack their systems in order to find flaws (and strengthen their defenses)
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      Except there is no signed legal agreement in this case. The hired whitehat hacker is indemnified in writing against any legal action by the corporation who hires him.

      Not the case with an open challenge. While it would be hard to prosecute if someone made a public announcement to "come hack my server", whether you would go to jail would depend on the cost of your legal team, local law, and the depth of your pockets, pretty much like any court case. The golden rule applies.

      No thank you, not without a written, signed, and verified-by-a-bonafied-attorney contract/agreement.

      This costs me money. Again, no thank you. The incentive simply isn't there.

      Add to that that nowhere on this page does it say "We give you permission to comprimise our server and stop the network service". They describe the criteria for a successful breakin, but nowhere do they actually grant any permission to do anything.

      You would be on shaky legal ground if they decided to come after you, whether for sport or to sue you for money.

      L8,
      AC

    10. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, okay. But ... HOW do you know this is really the owner doing this and they (or you) aren't being set up?


      1. I trust CmdrTaco. I love CmdrTaco. I am CmdrTaco. (or god@linuxense.com)
      2. I don't care. Let me at that box.
      3. I am using whois to see who owns the domain, checking their public keys to verify that the challenge comes from them, and getting all of this in writing before attempting this.
      4. I'm too paranoid to even consider something like this, other than perhaps posing the challenge.


      Paranoid coward

    11. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I've found my new IT Security Auditor. You're hired.

    12. Re:Isn't this illegal? by LordEd · · Score: 1

      I think this would be more along the lines of reasonable expectations. You ask the community to attack your server, you expect to get attacked. If you ask me to throw a rock at your car window, I may give you a puzzled look, but if you answer yes to "are you serious?", i may throw the rock. Its your car, so you can do whatever you want to it, just like its their PC... they can do anything they want to it as well.

      The purpose of the exercise is to read attack logs (as stated on the contest page).

    13. Re:Isn't this illegal? by johnnyb · · Score: 1

      "Ouch! You can certainly do reverse engineering for fair use purposes like writing interoperable software or playing the game you legally bought without a CD."

      It depends on the validity of the EULA. If the EULA's have any validity at all, you usually cannot.

    14. Re:Isn't this illegal? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      My only questions is, how do we know that it's his system?

      That IP belongs to a cablemodem in India.

      The company is in India also, but it's hosted in Texas.

      They're implying there's sufficent bandwidth for the whole freakin' internet to beat on it, but even with a few hundred hackers trying, that's going to swamp his cablemodem.

      For all we know, it's some kid in India trying to take down some other kids computer. He definately doesn't now, and probably won't for a while, have any usable bandwidth.

      Right now, I'm looking at ping times ranging from 338ms to 1446ms, and a traceroute shows that most of the latency is in the last hop. I'm not going beyond that. I'm not sufficently convinced that this is a legitimate deal.

      If it *IS* his box, he's just trying to collect methodology on how people break into machines. I don't really feel good about pulling out all the tricks I know, and having him log every one of them. It would be just like me posting all the hacking tricks I know in my /. journal. I know a lot of things, because I've seen a lot of attempts against my own equipment, but there's no freakin' way I'm going to just hand that over to someone else who may or may not be an evil hacker.

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    15. Re:Isn't this illegal? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1


      Be paranoid.

      The IP is a cablemodem in India.

      Linuxense.com is in india, but hosted in Texas.

      I'm not convinced that the IP belongs to Linuxense.

      But, it could be a box at the guy's house. Or it could be the box at his enemies house.

      I have no reason to care either way. I'm only passively entertained by the whole thing. But, there are plenty of kids out there, that will try, and someone may get in.

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    16. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Cobralisk · · Score: 1

      Assuming of course, it is their PC. This could of course be social engineering. If not, prove me wrong.

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    17. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except all the kids that will try will be using connections from ISPs that don't allow it in their ToS. Not to mention statutes and laws on interstate and international communications have much different _interpretation_ and application when pressed by one or more ISPs, than they do when someone is just complaining about a compromised box.

    18. Re:Isn't this illegal? by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Copyright law only restricts redistribution. I can just disagree with EULA and continue using my own copy as I please, including learning general concepts through reverse engineering and using them in my own code (as opposed to copying your stuff verbatim). Easier yet, I can excersize my legally protected right to buy a secondhand copy and not see any agreement at all.

      But what I really would like is to release a derivative work based on Microsoft shared source which is protected as a parody.

  4. Challenge accepted! by c0l0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I'll just have to find that Sub7-thingie for Linux somewhere on the net...

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    1. Re:Challenge accepted! by scriptie+the+kid · · Score: 0

      Naa, OpenOrfice is better.

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  5. Incentive? by virex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is there any reason to do this? you would think that the linux geeks out there wouldn't want it to be compremised. especially since there is no reward or prize of any sort. most people that are capable of doing this wouldn't want to.

    1. Re:Incentive? by AArnott · · Score: 4, Insightful

      most people that are capable of doing this wouldn't want to. Agreed. Microsoft has pulled this stunt with their Windows servers repeatedly. Of course bringing either of these down would result in the hack being logged and eventually corrected. Hackers don't want to give up their secrets.

    2. Re:Incentive? by SQLz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, they would. For a couple reasons.

      1. Contests like this make Linux more secure.
      2. If your looking to find a job in the security industry, this a is a nice bullet on the resume.

      You don't see MS having break in challenges do you? If they did and 17 unknown holes were found and fixed that would have gone unpatched otherwise, would Windows be more secure or less secure?

    3. Re:Incentive? by drnlm · · Score: 1
      On the other hand, the packet capture data would be interesting information on what current security holes people look to exploit, etc.

      Of course, as linuxense offer a security service, this smells like a "to be spun into marketing copy" stunt.

    4. Re:Incentive? by dubdays · · Score: 1

      you would think that the linux geeks out there wouldn't want it to be compremised

      Actually, this is a very good test at the security of the system, and one that I believe we should welcome. The more of these contests we have, the more security bugs that will be found and then promptly patched. This has the potential for leading to a system with nearly un-crackable remote security (assuming all of the results are publically released). So I say hack the crap out of it!

    5. Re:Incentive? by virex · · Score: 1
      this smells like a "to be spun into marketing copy" stunt.
      that's exactly what they're doing. They want to make it look like their security process is top notch, but by giving an incentive they would have had more people testing it and it would have looked a lot better. like i said, most linux geeks don't want to see linux compremised, so they probably wouldn't even try. and the people that do know how to compremise it wouldn't want to tip them off.
    6. Re:Incentive? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Actually, MS had a break-in challenge for a beta version of Windows 2000 back in 1999. Strangely, it had lots of downtime which they blamed on "power outages."

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    7. Re:Incentive? by automaticlarynx · · Score: 1

      The prize is glory and renoun. If you win, you get to say you're the most secure sysadmin in the world. If you lose, you just keep it quiet. That seems like a good gamble to me.

    8. Re:Incentive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, nobody owned the box.

      Which was meaningless because Win2000 shipped with several critical Index Server holes.

    9. Re:Incentive? by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 0, Troll

      To discover security holes in the system you admin, so you can fix them.

    10. Re:Incentive? by virex · · Score: 1

      i meant incentive for the person doing the hacking......

    11. Re:Incentive? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      Can you post a link? Sounds like that would be interesting to read about.

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    12. Re:Incentive? by Riddlefox · · Score: 3, Informative
      Here's a CNet news article.

      It seems that the hackers never managed to gain control of the W2K machines, but were able to launch a DOS on it.

    13. Re:Incentive? by andrew_0812 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      that is what will happen here as well. Screensavers hosted a hackers challenge a while back too. Before they were corrupted by G4. I can't remember for sure, but I think they had a windows default install, and a mac default install. or maybe linux. Anyway, the challenge was crap because the script kiddies started DDoSsing it as soon as they released the IP. You can't get a good public challenge like this just because of that.

    14. Re:Incentive? by saskboy · · Score: 1

      I've offered to donate a Pet Foil Hat Technology to the successfull cracker. I'll let /. know if they decline my offer.

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    15. Re:Incentive? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Has anyone thought of doing this just to identify IPs of compromised machines
      that are used in DDoS attacks? Generating a list of IPs and alerting ISPs
      might go a long way of reducing the amount of zombie machines out there.

      Just a (possibly naive) thought.

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    16. Re:Incentive? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      It might be naive but it sounds like a bloody good idea to me.

      Locate the IPs and then send someone around to snip their cable.

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    17. Re:Incentive? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      My server logs list hundreds of comprimised winodws boxes. Send me your email, I'll send you the logs, and you can deal with it.

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    18. Re:Incentive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole exercise is stupid. If they want to impress somebody, they need to set up a server. Give it a full set of services to provide. Give it some users who do the, sometimes, amazingly stupid things that users do. Then let people break into it.

      As it is, I'm not a "security expert" by trade, but I can guarantee you this: I can set up a box on the net and nobody will be able to break into it for a lot longer than 96 hours. But it won't be doing anything useful. Much as I expect that this machine won't be doing anything useful.

      The only thing that system security can't fix is DoS and that's exactly what is going to happen to this system. All the little smarty pants out there will fire up their zombie networks and bury this box in traffic and cause it's network connection to be so congested that nothing will happen.

    19. Re:Incentive? by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised what a little noteriety would do for some of the troglodyte Linux hackers. (FWIW: I am a hacker, but I have no interest in security. Give me a good parallel processing problem, and I'm all over it.)

    20. Re:Incentive? by gahzinia · · Score: 1
      Possible outcomes:
      1) The server doesn't get broken intobr
      or
      2) The server does get hacked

      outcomes of the outcomes:
      1) more proof that linux is secure, ...
      or
      2) The weakness is found and patched / code changed / ... and future releases are even better

      Either way, it gives more publicity to the security of linux and the linux community comes out ahead.

    21. Re:Incentive? by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

      > Actually, this is a very good test at the security of the system, and one that I believe we should welcome. The more of these contests we have, the more security bugs that will be found and then promptly patched.

      Bruce Schneier begs to differ: http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-9812.html#cont ests

      It's focused on crypto, but the principle applies to any system.

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    22. Re:Incentive? by Rooney444 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a couple people have thought of it:

      myNetWatchman: www.mynetwatchman.com
      DShield: www.dshield.org

      Your firewall logs are submitted automatically to either of these groups and then the data is correlated and complaints are issued to the responsible network providers. Speaking as someone that writes the code that parses complaints received from these entities (for a large network provider), I would personally recommend myNetWatchman.

    23. Re:Incentive? by mbonar · · Score: 1

      Yep. Send the planes into enemy airspace to get them to turn on all their radar sites. Then you know where to send the cruise missiles.

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    24. Re:Incentive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds like a good idea. Do what you can to get that ball moving.

    25. Re:Incentive? by Aeiri · · Score: 1

      I would personally recommend myNetWatchman.

      Hmm, I don't know...

      I had never heard of myNetWatchman before, but I knew about DShield. I recently had a box compromised (Linux, believe it or not!), and it shows up with attacks on DShield, but not myNetWatchman (still remember the IP).

    26. Re:Incentive? by Rooney444 · · Score: 1

      DShield does more rate limiting on how often they will send a complaint about a particular IP. IIRC DShield only sends a complaint for any one IP once a month.

      myNetWatchman will send repeated notices if the problem is ongoing and meets their criteria for what appears to be an infected/compromised system.

      The volume of, and variety of IPs in complaints we receive from mNW is greater than the volume from DShield. In either case, the quality of the data from both organizations is an excellent resource for those handling abuse/security issues for the networks they manage.

    27. Re:Incentive? by Hack+Jandy · · Score: 1

      OK - actually gave up my moderation points that I already used to answer this one. Haven't you heard of honeynet projects????

  6. More Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That server wont have a firewall or much secuirty... so how about 69.44.61.248 - the linuxense.com webserver :)

    1. Re:More Interesting by kmartshopper · · Score: 1

      Or better yet 216.250.128.12 - SCO... need I say more?

  7. Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by rfc1394 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might be this company is selling some sort of very hardened Linux. If they are, this is exactly the right way to go about it. They are publicly inviiting people to attack it, meaning that if there are any holes, someone is likely to find them. And anyone who hacks on the box can do so with impunity. And if they really can build a bulletproof box then they deserve the rewards they can get by selling one which, on an open and public basis, has taken the worst anyone could throw at it and survived.

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    1. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by PyWiz · · Score: 1

      Quite the innovative way to get some free pen testing, huh?

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    2. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Alternatively, they could just register a Slashdot account, post "OMFG SCO rulez Linuz SUXX0Rz!!11" in every topic, and point the URL in the profile to a website saying "LOL get the facts LINUX SI FOR HIPPYS"

    3. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by sirket · · Score: 4, Insightful

      has taken the worst anyone could throw at it and survived.

      Let me get this straight- 96 hours allows people to try "the worst anyone could throw at it?" In your wildest dreams perhaps. Furthermore how does this prove anything? Do you honestly think a real attacker would waste a 0-day exploit on such a lame contest? Why not wait until several banks have deployed this system and then make some money with such an attack :)

      The hack contests are silly. Any admin with half a brain can set up a secure system and the only way to root it would be 0-day that no self respecting hacker would waste on this system.

      If you are serious about security you pay for a full audit of the source code, professional penetration testing over a 2 week period, and you test for root exploits using a local account- on the assumption that somewhere down the line the system will be misconfigured and an attacker will gain non-root privileges.

      -sirket

    4. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by TheKubrix · · Score: 0

      Thank you for stating the obvious, phew, at first I thought this was an FBI honeypot! :\

    5. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Not disagreeing with you, but the longer you sit on a 0-day, the higher the chance someone else uses it, or something close enough to it, to negate your advantage.

      Just a small note.

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    6. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by gowen · · Score: 3, Informative
      and you test for root exploits using a local account
      Which is exactly what will happen if no-one has found a remote hole in 48 hours.

      RTFA.
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    7. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are dead right.
      reminds me of that argus challenge:
      http://lsd-pl.net/argus.html

    8. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The hack contests are silly. Any admin with half a brain can set up a secure system and the only way to root it would be 0-day that no self respecting hacker would waste on this system.


      The assumption you're making is that all "self-respecting hackers" are only interested in farming zombies or stealing data. Have you considered the possibility that there may be skilled people out there who would like to demonstrate their skills, but do so without breaking any laws?

      If you are serious about security you pay for a full audit of the source code, professional penetration testing over a 2 week period, and you test for root exploits using a local account

      Nice know-it-all answer. Unfortunately, that's more of a gameplan if you're serious about pissing money away. The reality is that the vast majority of Internet security companies consist of SATAN tied to a web frontend. And a "full audit of the source code"? Do you have any idea how expensive (and fruitless) that would be?

      I'm sorry, but what you've suggested is not a viable solution to most organizations that actually have to generate a profit. Furthermore, the simple fact that it all comes down to humans staring bleary eyed at thousands of lines of source code means that many bugs and exploits *will be missed*.

      The best security practice is to assume that your company's security systems will be compromised and to have plans in place to mitigate the damage.

    9. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by sirket · · Score: 1

      First off- I did read the article- all 2 dozen sentences of it.

      Second, all I was doing was listing how you go about correctly assessing the security of a system. I was not trying to imply that they were doing _everything_ wrong- just most things.

      That said- have you ever written an exploit? Do you honestly believe 48 hours is sufficient time for someone who also has to work and sleep to test anything? If they truly believe in their system then it should be open for 2 weeks not 2 days.

      -sirket

    10. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "way to root it would be 0-day that no self respecting hacker would waste on this system"

      Why not? Most self-respecting hackers are not hacking to steal.

    11. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by andrew_0812 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, not to mention that any real hacker would view this as nothing more than a trap, and stay away from it at all costs. They don't want their identity or their methods revealed.

    12. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or maybe they are going to post the IP address of a rival's webserver ;)

      Future challenge:
      "Hey guys this is Bill Gates, we are testing some new security features and want to see how effective they are. So we are posting the Microsoft Hacking challenge."

      Just try to bring down the web servers, email servers, and database servers of our test website:

      www.redhat.com, oops I mean 209.132.177.50, yeah, that's it.

      Also, please forward this to everyone you know, and we'll give you one penny for each time it is forwarded.

      Offer good anywhere except in places that steal people's kidneys and leave them in bath tubs full of ice with a message to call 911."

    13. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "disclaimer: if you or your organization fall victim to IP lawsuits for hacking into a linux machine, Microsoft can offer you amnesty: see www.microsoft.com/getthefacts for more information."

    14. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      Just as a matter of interest, is there any known case of a 0-day vunerbility?

    15. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by dAzED1 · · Score: 1
      I indeed wonder if they're selling a "hardened linux." I also wonder why we can't just look, instead of just theorising.

      From their web site (there were only 6 buttons on the main page, one said "security" Servers in an organization are the single most important components of the infrastructure. So they must be made immune to all kind of malicious attacks which can be expected in its environment. Linuxense has been providing this service, called Server Hardening, to various kinds of businesses so far.

    16. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by intangible · · Score: 1

      Come on, in Swordfish, the guy could break security codes in less than a minute... Just admit you aren't that good.

    17. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you considered the possibility that there may be skilled people out there who would like to demonstrate their skills, but do so without breaking any laws?

      And publishing to Bugtraq etc isn't an option because...?

    18. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "..And a "full audit of the source code"? Do you have any idea how expensive (and fruitless) that would be?...Furthermore, the simple fact that it all comes down to humans staring bleary eyed at thousands of lines of source code means that many bugs and exploits *will be missed*."

      It's not that expensive with some of the newer AUTOMATED technologies out there. The DOD and NASA are actually DOING this right now. I have a friend involved with funding advanced research in this area and products are coming. The products will likely cost in the 100-200K range and they are pretty fast. They will reveal things like buffer overflows, memory leaks, pointer problems, malformed expression problems, etc. In the not too distant future they will be able to formally prove the correctness of a system. Thats a pretty small cost to pay to KNOW your system is hack-proof. It's pretty darned expensive to have to comply with California regulations about personal data being hacked that requires notification to be sent to EVERYONE who MAY have had info stolen. Not to metion the bad press your company gets when the hacking is made public. I suspect it also lowers your business insurance premiums, and it might also be a competitive edge.

      Don't accuse someone on /.of speaking too soon lest you be caught doing the same on another subject or maybe even the same subject.

    19. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by sirket · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The assumption you're making is that all "self-respecting hackers" are only interested in farming zombies or stealing data. Have you considered the possibility that there may be skilled people out there who would like to demonstrate their skills, but do so without breaking any laws?

      I make no such assumption. I never tried to imply that they "are only interested in farming zombies or stealing data." That comment I made regarding banks was to express the waste of time I consider hacking constests to be rather than an approval of for profit hacking (except when done legally as part of a penetration test). I consider anyone who farms zombies to be nothing more than a troll. The idea of wasting 0-day on this contest, however, is still silly. Save it for the defcon hacking contests or to impress your friends or for your job. Write a paper and become famous. But waste it here? Hell no.

      Nice know-it-all answer. Unfortunately, that's more of a gameplan if you're serious about pissing money away.

      Nice well reasoned response.

      The reality is that the vast majority of Internet security companies consist of SATAN tied to a web frontend.


      It's a fucking shame you never dealt with any of the good companies back in the day. Companies like IFSec and Breakwater before they became big and got bought out use to do everything by hand. Some companies still do. I can not help it if you do not want to find those companies for your self.

      And a "full audit of the source code"? Do you have any idea how expensive (and fruitless) that would be?

      It depends on the application and how critical it is. Moreover I would never call it fruitless. Look at all the holes the OpenBSD team found by a code audit. It is a viable option for some applications and it certain proves a hell of a lot more about the security of a system than one of these sham hack contests.

      I'm sorry, but what you've suggested is not a viable solution to most organizations that actually have to generate a profit.


      It is a viable option and I've worked for and with plenty of companies to perform code audits on critical code. Plenty of serious bugs have been found that no 4 day hack contest ever would have found.

      Furthermore, the simple fact that it all comes down to humans staring bleary eyed at thousands of lines of source code means that many bugs and exploits *will be missed*.

      Then develop some tools to help you. Look for commonly exploited library calls like sprintf(). Do something more useful than a "hack" contest.


      The best security practice is to assume that your company's security systems will be compromised and to have plans in place to mitigate the damage.


      No- the best security practice is to be so confident in your own security prowess that you do not even bother securing your systems because you know no one could break in. This works best when you have your head in the sand at the same time.

      Seriously though: the best security practice is to have several layers of security coupled with stringent monitoring and strong procedures in place to ensure timely application of updates and patches. Then again that's pretty expensive too and from your post it does not sound like you care to spend any money on security.

      Compared to having 1,000 customers pay a bunch of people to monitor your systems 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year for years the cost of a little up front security analysis is hardly unjustifiable.

      -sirket

    20. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "In the not too distant future they will be able to formally prove the correctness of a system."
      - Have they solved the halting problem then?

    21. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by sirket · · Score: 1

      Why not? Most self-respecting hackers are not hacking to steal.

      Then save it for Defcon. Or write a paper on the vulnerability and get a better job. Or impress your friends. Or use it at your job when you do a penetration test. Do anything with it more userful than a sham hack contest where the authors are just going to dump your exploit, write about it and get the praise you deserve.

      -sirket

    22. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      I would feel comfortable hosting this contest with almost any version of Linux, as long as I could secure it first. It doesn't require a 'hardened' linux. As long as it's up to date, nobody's getting in.

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      "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
    23. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Every vulnerability was once a 0-day vulnerability. Every vulnerability identified by hackers and used in the wild is a 0-day. The fact that it's not hitting the news at the same instant doesn't mean it's not happening.

    24. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As long as it's up to date, nobody's getting in.

      Yeah, right! Your security naïveté is showing. Real experts hope only to slow down a persistent attacker, they know full-well that eventually someone will get in given enough time/access. To presume otherwise shows that you're lazy, ignorant, or both. I'm glad you don't work for my company with that attitude.

    25. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only because he was getting a blowjob at the same time.

    26. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent up.

    27. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by notsoanonymouscoward · · Score: 1

      They will reveal things like buffer overflows, memory leaks, pointer problems, malformed expression problems, etc.

      These are all currently found using tools like lint / splint which in the case of splint, is FREE (as in NOT the 100-200k cost range pal). Vulnerabilities still exist. These tools have been around for some time. Automated analysis isn't a magic bullet. Its about good coding practices and comprehension of the system you're running your code on.

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      I ate my sig.
    28. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Avenger337 · · Score: 1

      "In the not too distant future they will be able to formally prove the correctness of a system." Maybe I'm wrong, but.... In my college CS course last semester we formally proved that this is impossible. There's no way to write a program that will absolutely prove whether a system is correct.

    29. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      According to the folks who are doing the R&D if the program can be represented as predicate logic (which any well-formed program can) it can be proved correct. When I first talked to these guys when I was at NASA I asked the same questions as you did and I got the answer that it's NOT impossible it's just a O(n**2) problem. They seem to have found a way around that issue, however they told me the algorithmic approach is patented and classified by the DOD (who paid for the work). It is a breakthru I was told and beats the crap out of Lint, SPIN and other programs. Just go Google Automated Software Code Checking and you'll see there are a LOT of tools out there, most do a good job of making sure coding standards are met and they stop there. If anyone is deeply interested I can get the name of the company, I think they are in Syracuse, NY and somehow associated with RPI as well. They'll just LOVE being /.ed :)

    30. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      I said 'hosting this contest', not 'leave a production machine unattended in the belife that it was secure'.

      I'm glad I don't work for any company, thanks.

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      "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
    31. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can represent it as a first order predicate logic, then you are correct. If it's a full second order predicate logic, then you are wrong.

      Most large programs are stronger than a simple first order predicate logic, though often with sufficient constraints that you can, indeed, prove them correct (or at least it hasn't been shown that you can't), but there are a large number of programs for which this isn't true. Perhaps more recent work has extended somewhat the domain of provable programs, but there's bound to be a very large number that aren't covered.

      Note that proving correctness is "even harder" than the halting problem. You've not only got to show that it always comes to an answer, you've also got to show that the answer that it comes to is the correct answer.

      Every specification language that I've looked at for specifying that the answer was correct was too complicated to know that it was, itself, correct. The best answers I've seen so far have been unit testing and Eiffel's "Design by Contract". Both of these tend to be sloppily done, but both could, in principle, provide a large measure of security...note that I'm not claiming proof!!..that the correct results are being produced.

      OTOH, I'm certainly not in contact with anyone working on a automated code tester...but I doubt that such a person would claim that their work was a "proof of correctness" of arbitrary code. Possibly of some restricted subset, analogous to the Ada subset SPARK which restricts Ada to using a subset of features which results in programs that can be proven correct. Such would be much harder in C, but I can't see any reason why it would be impossible in principle. (I may have slightly misunderstood Ada SPARK, as I've never used it...but that's my understanding. It's usually referred to as a "High Integrity Subset", but I think that's from a book title.)

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    32. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by Java+Ape · · Score: 1
      Bravo, excellently well said. Would you like to come talk some sense into the executives at my company?

      I work for a contrator for Department of Defense. After much whining, the company decided that maybe it was worth looking at some open-source software. Unfortunately, they classed it as "untrusted" software, and indicated that, even for deployment in insecure sites, it would be allowed only after a security audit of the source code had been performed to verify that there were no buffer overflows, back-doors etc. A bit later I was asked how long it would take me to do a detailed analysis of "Fedora core 3". They were trying to play it by the book, but they didn't like the estimate I gave them (forever plus overtime!).

    33. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by chgros · · Score: 1

      It's not that expensive with some of the newer AUTOMATED technologies out there. The DOD and NASA are actually DOING this right now. I have a friend involved with funding advanced research in this area and products are coming. The products will likely cost in the 100-200K range and they are pretty fast. They will reveal things like buffer overflows, memory leaks, pointer problems, malformed expression problems, etc.
      I work at a company doing this, and while the technology is good, it doesn't guarantee anything (to be fast, and especially to avoid overwhelming false positives, they need to be conservarive).
      In the not too distant future they will be able to formally prove the correctness of a system.
      "Correctness" is hard to define; most interesting problems (leaks, overflows...) are unsolvable in the general case (think halting). To prove "correctness" you usually need predicates that you need to prove are valid. The hardest part is not necessarily the proof.

    34. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Why not impress your friends, and get some recognition from your friends and future employers by winning a verifiable hack contest. That way you get some recognition and the bug gets fixed without giving the people who would hack to steal another exploit for their arsenal?

      Or perhaps you are not doing it for personal gain, be it cash or recognition. Perhaps your searching for and finding the exploit just to prove you can and this is a way to legally test it in the wild. People find bugs everyday, it is not like you 'deserve' a that terribly much respect for it. A dozen new ones a day get posted to security related mailing lists.

      Seriously, winning a hack contest will get you some recognition. Finding a bug probably will not get you promoted and it's doubtful anyone would read a paper written about a single exploit.

    35. Re:Selling some sort of hardened Linux, perhaps? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      CodeSurfer is the name of this product, it is a very small company in Syracuse NY. And Ada was the first language they did, next they did C and were working on Java. First order or second I have no idea, as my exposure didn't go that deep. If you want I can give you contact info, might be some R&D work there for you :)

  8. While I'm sure they're legit... by Xaroth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...this seems like it'd be a great way to try to take down your friend's (or enemy's) computer.

    "Oh, we're putting up a box for the hacking at such and such time. We swear it's ours. No, really! Trust us. "

    Few would be the wiser until it was too late.

    1. Re:While I'm sure they're legit... by saskboy · · Score: 1

      Odds are this company isn't going to publish their friend's IP address. But it would be insteresting if anyone's done that before, and advertised an IP of a foe they said wanted to be cracked.

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    2. Re:While I'm sure they're legit... by Technician · · Score: 1

      If they are smart they will put the IP address on the block of IP addresses they own. Then it wouldn't be any provable intent to harm anyone else. It's their block, their assigned address space, their server. I wonder if most who take the challange will take the time to look up their address block ahead of time, just to be sure they are not attacking a competitor.

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      The truth shall set you free!
    3. Re:While I'm sure they're legit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they'll post SCO's address ;-). It'll give them more time to get together their finance report for the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    4. Re:While I'm sure they're legit... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      1) http://202.88.234.250/ shows the "new server setup" page.
      2) 202.88.234.250 is in India (WHOIS returns Asianet's local office in Trivandrum, Kerala). The contest time is in terms of "IST", and the Slashdot submitter is named Sujit, so the server ought to be in India.

  9. break-in challenges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    These break-in challenges (for any OS) were interesting the first 50,000 times they were issued, but they're getting old now.

  10. FTA by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought it was a nice touch that they give directions on how to stop network services for someone who gets root. Most people who root linux boxes have trouble with those advanced administrative functions

    1. Re:FTA by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I thought it was a nice touch that they give directions on how to stop network services for someone who gets root. Most people who root linux boxes have trouble with those advanced administrative functions

      Actually, with all the l33t kiddies out there, that might not be too far from the truth. Many hack tools are point-and-click, but if they are getting kiddies comming in using off-the-shelf exploits, they have a bigger problem!

    2. Re:FTA by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 1

      but if they are getting kiddies comming in using off-the-shelf exploits, they have a bigger problem!

      Touche!

  11. Rules by 3770 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The rules say:

    You need to leave your mark at ``/''. It could be your email address, GPG public key or something else with which we can verify your identity.


    The root partition could be on a read only media such as a CD-ROM, right? In which case nobody could ever win.
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    1. Re:Rules by espo812 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Physical attacks are just as valid as network attacks. Now where did I put my Dell technician uniform...

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      espo
    2. Re:Rules by PoprocksCk · · Score: 0

      ...In which case, we'll pray that there's a CD-RW in the drive ;-)

    3. Re:Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not true!
      if that were the case then explain how on almost every unix like system I have ever seen, you can eaisly use mkdir as root... now what would be amusing is if they have / given like 5 mb or something trivially small and /etc /usr and so on as seperate partitions on different computers... or better yet if the whole thing was actually a windows box behind more layers of routers then one can count.

    4. Re:Rules by caluml · · Score: 1

      Yeah, or just use GRSec or SELinux to disallow any process to write to /. I imagine that it won't get broken into. If it does, I expect it to be Brad Spengler, or some maintainer of SELinux, who happen to know a few bugs in the code that they maintain.

    5. Re:Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'd be more complicated, but I think they could mount a new filesystem over the top of root, or could crash and reboot the system from different media, rewrite parts of kernel memory, rewrite the NVRAM, etc. Once you have root you have quite a few options.

    6. Re:Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The grandparent said the root dir could be on a *read-only* media. Think before you post.

      Sheesh.

    7. Re:Rules by Sweetshark · · Score: 1

      The root partition could be on a read only media such as a CD-ROM, right? In which case nobody could ever win.
      ... unless you make a installation into a RW media and reboot into it.

    8. Re:Rules by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 1

      Even if / is read only, if you have root, you should still be able to find some way to leave your mark.

      For example, if you have root, you could probably use usermode linux to run an additional version of linux within itself with / on a ramdisk. Even if the system has no hard drive and loads everything from flash firmware or a cd, you need to have some ram. If you are root, you can write to that ram and label it with your identification information and subsequently make it a root partition in some way.

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    9. Re:Rules by Technician · · Score: 1

      To win, make yourself an account. Stop network services. E-mail them that you did it. All they have to do is log on localy using the admin level account you created. Any questions? This dies after a reboot.

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      The truth shall set you free!
    10. Re:Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The root partition could be on a read only media such as a CD-ROM, right?

      Reflash the BIOS.

    11. Re:Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's no writable media available you could use nvram.
      If nvram isn't loaded and module loading isn't built into the kernel there's /dev/kmem.

      If there's no writable media, no nvram, no /dev/kmem there's probably a
      kernel flaw that will allow code injection.

      If there's none of those things a script to watch the targets ip and
      automagically break-in to the box when it appears online.

      All else failing there's always someone smarter who will think of something.

    12. Re:Rules by hawk · · Score: 3, Funny


      Nah. Zorro could leave his mark on a cdrom . . .

      hawk

    13. Re:Rules by mpcooke3 · · Score: 1

      Simple remap root to an NFS share on my machine. reboot. voila :)

      Then change the list of winners every 5 seconds just for the amusement value.

    14. Re:Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physical attacks are just as valid as network attacks.

      Kick in the door, kill everyone inside with shotgun, replace hard-drive, drive to Mexico...um...profit!

    15. Re:Rules by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      You mean this one (Google cache copy for the slow clickers)?

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    16. Re:Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Create a RAM disk, symlink to dirs off real / and then chroot to it. Not exactly hard.

    17. Re:Rules by bcmm · · Score: 1

      "Simple remap root to an NFS share on my machine"

      Yes. And then you have to take the network down.
      Good luck.

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      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    18. Re:Rules by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Damn straight! Any security ex-spurt who allows a DELL "person" near anything DESERVES to have their power supplies set on fire, their disk arrays disconnected while running and all their screws stolen.

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      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    19. Re:Rules by fbartho · · Score: 1

      LOL that would be hilarious as hell I wish I had the money and the creditability to set up a read-only root for a hacking contest. Offer my 50% rights to the patent that will come out of figuring out how to write to read only media.

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    20. Re:Rules by GrenDel+Fuego · · Score: 1

      Physical attacks are just as valid as network attacks. Now where did I put my Dell technician uniform...

      Based on the company involved here, hopefully your uniform is in India.

  12. vanilla by jest3r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would like to see a challenge like this with vanilla installs of the top 10 Linux distros.

    As Linux gets closer to mainstream more and more people are installing without tweaks or recompiles. How well does Linux stand up without the expertise of a professional?

    1. Re:vanilla by loconet · · Score: 1

      Good idea, For a different test It would also be interesting to add a few windows boxes into the mix as well. WinXP, Win2k, Win 2003, maybe some bsds.

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    2. Re:vanilla by BigGerman · · Score: 1

      Love this idea. Anyone with powers to pull this off listening?
      Could be even a reality TV show (on TechTv as it used to be) ;-)

    3. Re:vanilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real challenge would be those 10 distros and the suggested Windows boxes fully updated or as-distributed; configured simply straight out of the box or tuned by being "tightened" up first.

    4. Re:vanilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a good idea, but if the results are bad, the test will be sneard at, ignored or viciously attacked.

      Whitness the recent browser stability test where all commonly used browsers were fed garbage data through http. All but one crashed and burned with buffer overflows and invalid memory acesses. The one that survived every test? IE.

      The results were so bad that the O.S. community completely ignored and flamed the test. Today, FF and Moz are STILL buggy. :(

      So yeah, it would be a great and I'm sure eye-opening test, but it would be of little consequence.

    5. Re:vanilla by 0racle · · Score: 1

      You should be shot for suggesting a 'reality' show.

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    6. Re:vanilla by HiThere · · Score: 1

      *IS* there a vanilla install for a BSD? I thought it required hand tuning to get it set up. (Not that I dislike automated tools, but they do tend to produce a more uniform target environment.)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    7. Re:vanilla by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That may be so...but I do remember the test.

      Of course, I also still use Mozilla. To me that didn't say that it was a bad thing to do, but that IE could handle pages that Mozilla can't. If I start having pages not load, then I may guess at the reason.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  13. What's the point? by sirket · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The server is not being set up as a production system so what is the point to a successful compromise. Furthermore- anyone with any sysadmin experience should be able to set up a server that can not be compromised except by 0-day - and honestly- who would waste 0-day on a lame contest?

    -sirket

    1. Re:What's the point? by caluml · · Score: 0
      who would waste 0-day on a lame contest?

      People that want to practice without being prosecuted?

    2. Re:What's the point? by sirket · · Score: 1

      The set up your own system. Or have a friend do it. I use to practice on my friends systems. It annoyed the hell out of them. Not that I broke in but that they screwed up enough to let me in :)

      -sirket

    3. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to misunderstand the concept of the 0-day. You don't practice in public with them, because as soon as someone else knows about it it becomes worthless - it will get patched. So you keep it until you really need it. Sometimes you don't ever use it, because someone else finds it before you reach the "opportune moment". No way you'd use it on a contest.

    4. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - and honestly- who would waste 0-day on a lame contest?

      they need to offer some cash. i realize true hackers are not motivated by pure profit, but Argus offered money in their challenge ($50,000?). the Pitbull LX system was compromised by a solaris zero day, then a trick was used to get root on the trusted system. most anything can be owned given enough time and/or money.

    5. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is "0-day"? I've seen that referenced several times in these slashdot comments, and haven't been able to find any reference other than a [lame sounding] hackng game.

  14. Time zone? by KD7JZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What time zone is IST?

    1. Re:Time zone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      indian standard time

    2. Re:Time zone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      This IST is in India. UTC+530

    3. Re:Time zone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      posting this anon because it's so obvious it'd be karma whoring not too. let's see, a google for "IST time zone" produces this

    4. Re:Time zone? by five18pm · · Score: 1

      Indian Standard Time.

    5. Re:Time zone? by pe1rxq · · Score: 1

      UTC+530

      Great, that means its practically april fools day overthere.....

      Jeroen

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    6. Re:Time zone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least among Indians in the U.S., it means "Indian Standard Time", which is wherever you are right now minus 5 minutes.

    7. Re:Time zone? by homer_s · · Score: 1

      Indian Standard Time. Look at their home page - they are an Indian company.

    8. Re:Time zone? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      Indian Standard Time. GMT+5.5. So it's close to the same 12-hour time as US time zones.

      Acronym Finder: FTFA.

    9. Re:Time zone? by Reteo+Varala · · Score: 1

      Irish Summer Time.

  15. Uh, ok. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Break into a Linux server that has no services running presumably with some heretofore-unannounced buffer overflow in Linux's implementation of the ICMP protocol, all the while having every single packet sent to the system sniffed so that the sponsors of the challenge can know exactly how you did it.

    Such a feat and sharing of knowledge should be worth about $1,000,000. I'm sure they'll get a lot of contenders with their offer of $0.

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    1. Re:Uh, ok. by spectrokid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Break into a Linux server that has no services running[...]
      From TFA: This server won't be protected by firewall. There won't be any fake demons or honeypots as well. It will be running all the services normally found in a regular Linux distribution and more.

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    2. Re:Uh, ok. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative

      See also Bruce Schneier's The Fallacy of Cracking Contests.

      Now there's probably a Marketing Department that put them up to it, and some PHB's may be impressed, but it sure announces to the security community, "Hey, we have no idea how to think about security - buy our stuff!"

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    3. Re:Uh, ok. by taanstaafl · · Score: 1

      yeah but it might be MICRO$OFT's marketing department, with a lamely installed vanilla victim distribution.

    4. Re:Uh, ok. by zerkon · · Score: 1

      It didn't say "no services" it said "It will be running all the services normally found in a regular Linux distribution and more." therefore what? dhcp, dns, http, etc?

    5. Re:Uh, ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      inetd counts as a service on my systems.

  16. Tin Foil Hat Contest! by xtermin8 · · Score: 1, Funny

    If nobody can read your thoughts for 96 hours you win- a free tinfoil hat! Yay!

    1. Re:Tin Foil Hat Contest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  17. Windows 2003 breakin challenge by mrm677 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if somebody could break into Windows 2003 in the same amount of time?

    There are likely hidden exploits in both OSes, but these things take time to find. Stumbling upon something by luck is quite common.

    1. Re:Windows 2003 breakin challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could set a 2003 for you to try... got a spare IP on the net...

      Interested anyone ?

    2. Re:Windows 2003 breakin challenge by daeley · · Score: 1

      I wonder if somebody could break into Windows 2003 in the same amount of time?

      Well, sure, but technically it's supposed to be a *challenge*. ;D

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  18. Social engineering by saskboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Obviously the best way to crack this server is going to be to socially engineer the linux administrator at this company, and get the real root password.
    It's probably something like: thislinuxis2coolforU2crax0r

    Hmm, that sounds like something I should use as a root password. Forget I mentioned this.

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    1. Re:Social Engineering by hawk · · Score: 4, Funny


      From service@linuxsense.com Fri Feb 25 22:51:32 2005
      From: "linuxsense"
      To: root@linuxsense.com
      Subject: linuxsense Account Security Measures

      Dear linuxsense root,
      Your account has been randomly flagged in our system as a part of our routine security measures. This
      is a must to ensure that only you have access and use of your linuxsense
      account and to ensure a safe linuxsense experience. We require all flagged
      accounts to verify their information on file with us. To verify your
      Information at this time, please visit our secure server webform by
      clicking the hyperlink below [...]

    2. Re:Social Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      thanks a bunch i was goner do that!!

      now you foiled my plan you fool!!

    3. Re:Social engineering by biz0r · · Score: 1

      "No the code is... 1 2 3 4 5!"

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  19. Honeypots? by utlemming · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are honeypots legal? I mean if I put up a honey pot and the root system isn't compromised, do I win?

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    1. Re:Honeypots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you please form that into a coherent thought and get back to us? Look up the word "honeypot" while you're at it. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    2. Re:Honeypots? by utlemming · · Score: 1

      Normally I don't care to respond to AC's but here you go: "...they normally work by emulating services and operating systems. Attacker activity is limited to the level of emulation by the honeypot. For example, an emulated FTP service listening on port 21 may just emulate a FTP login, or it may support a variety of additional FTP commands. The advantages of a low-interaction honeypot is their simplicity. These honeypots tend to be easier to deploy and maintain, with minimal risk. Usually they involve installing software, selecting the operating systems and services you want to emulate and monitor, and letting the honeypot go from there. This plug and play approach makes deploying them very easy for most organizations...Some honeypots, such as Honeyd, can not only emulate services, but emulate actual operating systems. In other words, Honeyd can appear to the attacker to be a Cisco router, WinXP webserver, or Linux DNS server. There are several advantages to emulating different operating systems. First, the honeypot can better blend in with existing networks if the honeypot has the same appearance and behavior of production systems. Second, you can target specific attackers by providing systems and services they often target, or systems and services you want to learn about...When used for production purposes, honeypots are protecting an organization. This would include preventing, detecting, or helping organizations respond to an attack."
      http://www.tracking-hackers.com/papers/honeypots .h tml

      This is what I meant. In terms of the coherent thought, what I was asking is if I could deploy a honeypot and then have hackers try to hack the system. If you let them in on the honeypot does that count as being hacked? If the hacker thinks that they got in, but really only got into a fake system that was emulated, then does that count as not being hacked, since the root system was not compromised.

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  20. For crying out loud by asliarun · · Score: 1

    at least give a t-shirt as a prize.

    Altruistic intellectual pursuits are one thing, a penguin t-shirt is completely another.

    On the other hand, could this be:-
    1. A secret government program to ferret out crackers?
    2. Google's latest recruitment drive?
    3. Network Associates looking for a new CEO?

    1. Re:For crying out loud by PoprocksCk · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Altruistic intellectual pursuits are one thing, a penguin t-shirt is completely another."

      I'd prefer Napoleon Dynamite's helicopter shirt. To each his own, I guess.

  21. Outsourced by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey our Hacking Contests have been outsourced to India. Seriously though I am kind of wary about this because I don't know what legal implications there may be doing this since I am uneducated in Indian Cyber criminal law? Also the web site looks fairly hinkey (yes its a word and I'll use it!) It would be funny if they posted the IP address at the start of the contest and it turned out to be the IP of some major site or agency....

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  22. Just a hacking challenge by northcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, this is just another hacking challenge. Like the hundreds of others out there (many/most of which are on Linux). What qualifies this to make it to slashdot?

    1. Re:Just a hacking challenge by northcat · · Score: 1

      Of course this is a challenge and of course there many others out there. Whoever modded me as troll needs look around the internet more. Just google for "hacking challenge". There are a shit load of these on the net.

    2. Re:Just a hacking challenge by tech_guru5182 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What would make a great challenge is to create a system and make a shell account public via telnet or ssh, to simulate an employee's account being obtained via social engineering, then having it tested. The system should have a typical set of programs runing that would be found on a production system. This would make for a great test of the system. You must remember taht at an orginization of any reasonable size there will be at least one or two accounts that can be accessed via social engineering the appropriate luser.

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    3. Re:Just a hacking challenge by Jonboy+X · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, this is just another hacking challenge. Like the hundreds of others out there (many/most of which are on Linux). What qualifies this to make it to slashdot?

      The main difference is that this one was announced on a slow news day.

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  23. very handy. *cough* by blue_adept · · Score: 2, Funny

    yes, very handy for those real-life applications where the server will be on the internet for more than 96 hours.

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  24. If you don't know, you can't play by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    I have no idea myself, but I assume if I had any knowledge about internet security I'd know international time zones better. Now that I've posted this on /. I'm going to also strap a big target mark to my forehead. Doh!

  25. Social Engineering by Inkieminstrel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Admin,

    I am currently working on a project sponsored by you in which I need to break into your computer. In order to do this, I will need the root password. Also, my SSH signature is attached to this message. Please add me to the list of valid signatures.

    Thank you,
    Inkieminstrel
    Social Engineer

  26. Re:very handy. *cough* by Council · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Fallacy of Cracking Contests (Bruce Schneier)

    Contests are a terrible way to demonstrate security. A product/system/protocol/algorithm that has survived a contest unbroken is not obviously more trustworthy than one that has not been the subject of a contest. The best products/systems/protocols/algorithms available today have not been the subjects of any contests, and probably never will be. Contests generally don't produce useful data. There are three basic
    reasons why this is so.
    [see link for explanations]

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  27. what about script kiddies by mcslappy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    they seem to be begging for a script kiddie to rm -rf /

  28. Windows Server Break-in Counter-Challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    To show you Linux geeks that Windows is every bit as secure as Linux, we will be hosting the Windows Server Break-in Counter Challenge. We too will make a professionally set up server available on the net for 96 hours, uninterrupted. We'll see who has the best security.


    * For purposes of this test, "on the net" shall mean locked in faraday cage in a concrete bunker, powered down and with the hard drives removed.

    1. Re:Windows Server Break-in Counter-Challenge by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      You want to put a lock on the Faraday cage - just to be on the safe side...

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    2. Re:Windows Server Break-in Counter-Challenge by codepunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds great same rules apply no firewall, I say it gets owned in under 30 seconds. Hell I say go ahead you can even apply the 300+ security patches...

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    3. Re:Windows Server Break-in Counter-Challenge by jd · · Score: 1

      Suggest putting the hard drives through a high temperature furnace, just in case. (The data may be a little disorganized, but that's just really secure encryption.)

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  29. What about system crashes? by Begemot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From my experience, hacking attempts often end up with crashed OS. Double power supply and stable Internet won't help. Somebody is going to ping/reboot the system for 48 hours?

    1. Re:What about system crashes? by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      my guess is they'll have someone physically sitting at the machine, or connected via VNC/SSH/something to monitor hacker's progress/make sure the machine/associated daemon/network stack doesn't go down, and to keep it up.

      Another guess is that there will be multiple machines masquerading behind that one IP address, either running simultianiously, or in some kind of fallover configuration so that if one goes down, the next will instantly come up. But that's a guess.

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    2. Re:What about system crashes? by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0

      The article says it: It's all under the contestant's hands for 96 hours. If it crashes, he fails. It's his duty to secure it to prevent crashes.

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  30. Lemee guess the "Catch" by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its running Zen and using NSA security modules with USB rootplug.

    Then they hand out root ;P and laugh.

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  31. Limber Up by Stanistani · · Score: 2, Funny

    *Buys crate of Cheetos*
    *Installs soda machine*
    *dims lights*
    *cracks knuckles*

    I'm ready...

  32. Reminds me of Red Hat EL by svin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First time they did something similar, they appearently got hacked in 45 seconds

    But as the old slashdot article also states the 2nd generation was able to stay afloat.

    Seems like a great way to learn how to secure a system though - let the best hackers/crackers out there have a go, and learn what went wrong.

  33. Oh the irony.. by tod_miller · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...if the admin uses Outlook (on a diff machine):

    Subject: "I hax0r3d your box!11"

    Dear adm1n, I hjax0red your l1nu> box, look at the attached screensh00t as pr00f!!!

    h4x0r3d.vbs.exe.scr.pif.dll.bat

    Look at the pic and I will hack^H^H^H^H show you!!

    Yours

    skr1pt k1|)|)1e

    PS: I am tha l33ts7 I even misp4ll l36t words.

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    1. Re:Oh the irony.. by chochos · · Score: 1
      I am tha l33ts7 I even misp4ll l36t words.
      This was by far the funniest thing in the comment...
  34. Re:Selling some sort of BS, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jig would be up the second the would-be hacker notices its a linux box. I know you're trying to be funny, but I really think that, as immature as a linux geek may be, underestimating his(her?) intelligence is never a good idea. Of course you're posting (flamebait?) as AC, so maybe you know this already.

  35. Take the easy way out by tsmithnj · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the posts thus far are technical in nature. The easiest way into that machine is through the front door. Find the server, grab it, and run. If these guys are stupid enough to allow you to break into their property-- take them up on the challenge. AFter all, they did lay down the challenge.....

    1. Re:Take the easy way out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whois the machine's IP... you will find its registered to asianetindia.com
      (i.e. in india). Anyone live there?!

      I certainly don't see people flying out there ^_^

    2. Re:Take the easy way out by ricochet81 · · Score: 1

      yeah, well visualroute says the IP is in Bombay, India. Too far for me to go.

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  36. give away valuable skills by slartibart · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Apparently, linuxense is saying, "Hey we don't have enough resources to test our OS's security. Let's stroke the egos of the hacker community and maybe we can trick them into working for us, for free. Free labor, woohoo!"

    They know damn well that the expertise they're looking for is very valuable, and yet they're not even offering a token prize. Pathetic.

    I hope they don't even get a single packet. "Hey everyone! Try to break into our server! It'll be FUN!!!" "...."

    1. Re:give away valuable skills by slartibart · · Score: 1

      oops, meant to add: .... "[crickets chirping].....[distant coyote howl]"

    2. Re:give away valuable skills by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Apparently, linuxense is saying, "Hey we don't have enough resources to test our OS's security. Let's stroke the egos of the hacker community and maybe we can trick them into working for us, for free. Free labor, woohoo!"

      I disagree. How is this different than releasing a beta test to the Internet?

      As far as not having enough resources...having someone OTHER than the people who developed the system test it only makes sense.

    3. Re:give away valuable skills by slartibart · · Score: 1
      In a beta, the testers get early access to some kind of software functionality. In this case, they get jack squat.

      They could at least HIRE someone to do the testing, or at bare miniumum, offer some kind of bounty for finding vulnerabilities. They're just going begging for free labor, and I doubt any good hacker is going to waste his time and skills on it.

  37. When to start... by opwierde · · Score: 1

    2 a.m. Irish Summer Time

  38. Sounds like... by Myrkur · · Score: 1

    Who would enter a contest like this?

    If you're good enough to find and write an 0-day exploit, which is probably what it's going to take to take over this box, why would you want to leave it in the logs of some contest-box just so someone else can make his claim to fame for finding it?

    Seems to me that if you're whitehat you'd want to publish the vulnerability yourself, and if you're blackhat you wouldn't waste it on a contest.

    So who exactly is this contest intended for?

    1. Re:Sounds like... by skt · · Score: 1

      good point.. lame content, lame contestants. Only the script kiddies would poke at this system.

  39. Dear god.... by Darkon06 · · Score: 1

    this is pathetic, they say that they will be running more than the usual number of service ( = more possible holes ) and expect this to last more than a couple hours?? Unless this company has some ungodly hard-linux distro up their sleeves, this will be short and pathetic. If you ever look at some of the so called "war games" online with this sort of thing you know how it goes. Even with 3 or so services running un-patched exploits are all too common to make breaking in hard.

    If no one breaks in, I can only think of one good reason why

    - This company really does have a very secure distro and the uber-hackers can't be convinced to try it (look at some of the posts above for the reasoning behind that one)

  40. DOS Lamers by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

    A few years back, the LinuxPPC guys ran a challenge this like. Even though DOS attacks were clearly against the rules as the only thing that counted was getting root, lamers doing them nearly ended the challenge.

    I have to wonder if their hosting provider won't wind up throwing them out.

  41. Aftermath by halleluja · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... and then I would hack along into .gov sites from their site.. try and proof I did it.

  42. Uncertainty by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If your looking to find a job in the security industry, this a is a nice bullet on the resume.

    Employers want to know your skills and how you have such in-depth knowledge of such systems. HOWEVER putting this on your resume is just a red flag for most employers. "If (s)he has the ability to hack into this big-bad server then imagine what (s)he can do to the security-though-obscurity network we've set up". Think about it.

    Now you're going to say software companies want secure software and someone to look at it, but at the same time, they don't want backdoors. They want to trust you.

    I'd be a bit hesitant before putting it on paper unless it has a big company (IBM Security Challenge or something) beside it.

    -M

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    1. Re:Uncertainty by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Why would they not trust you for breaking into a machine who's purpose was to be broken into?

      It should only scare potental employers if the applicant broke into a machine he knows he shouldn't have. And thats not likely to be put on a resume either.

  43. That's not what I heard... by jhigh · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was told that it's 127.0.0.1. Took me about five seconds to hack in. Morons didn't even have a firewall...

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    1. Re:That's not what I heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOLLLOLOL~~!@@~!!1

      You are teh funny! Cuz that joke is so fresh! Really, how do you come up with it? Because you know, I've never heard that joke before in my life. It's so funny! What a clever clever person you must be.

      Got any good Titanic jokes you'd like so share, since we're telling them at the height of their popularity?

    2. Re:That's not what I heard... by adeydas · · Score: 1

      From the challenge page: "This server won't be protected by firewall. There won't be any fake demons or honeypots as well. It will be running all the services normally found in a regular Linux distribution and more."

    3. Re:That's not what I heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a really easy time guessing their passwords, too.

    4. Re:That's not what I heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the sound of the joke flying right over your head... 127.0.0.1 always refers to your machine.

    5. Re:That's not what I heard... by Aeiri · · Score: 1

      If that's so, I don't even think they need to announce its existence, it will be compromised easily.

    6. Re:That's not what I heard... by slashdevnull · · Score: 1

      Morons? Check again. They already hacked you, and put all of your stuff on their system.

  44. They use Debian by p0 · · Score: 1

    I've met someone from Linuxense. They use Debian for almost everything he told me that they did. This is worth considering.

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  45. Swiss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could it be the re-birth of Internet Swatch Time? Or was that Swatch Internet Time?

    1. Re:Swiss? by NemosomeN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Swatch Harmonious Internet Time

      If you don't understand, don't mod.

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    2. Re:Swiss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um... S.H.I.T. ? ..are you sure?

      oooh 'eck.

      Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
      Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

      let's try that again...

    3. Re:Swiss? by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

      It was a joke... laugh. That joke apparently got me my first foe though, heh.

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  46. Not quite right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's at localhost. I checked.

  47. Good point, almost too good another ./ ad by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    The problem with the full audit and professional penetration testing is that it won't help marketing sell much. The fact that there is no real prize indicates how little faith they have that this contest will prove anything. I suppose the chance that some pointy-haired boss might come across news of this contest makes it worthwhile hold it. Marketing doesn't work by overestimating the clients intelligence.

  48. You got it! by Blitzenn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is specifically intended that the contest not attract those who are capable of breaking the server. All they want is some feeble attempts so that they can finish and say that they have the most secure distro out there, because nobody could break in when the posted the distro on a public server and invited attacks.

    I have to agree that this is a lame ploy at getting publicity. Hopefully others can see through it too.

  49. One would hope... by Oliver+Aaltonen · · Score: 1

    The rules say that after successfully hacking the server, you must:

    Take the server off the net (to avoid conflict). You can do this by stopping network service.

    One would hope that any hacker proficient enough to break into this system would have enough prowess to know how to disable the network, but thanks for the tip.

    1. Re:One would hope... by electronerdz · · Score: 1

      I think they meant to NOT do rm -rf /, or do anything else damaging.

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    2. Re:One would hope... by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      That would kind of defeat the fact that they need you to at least leave a signature, not a dead harddrive.

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  50. Sarovar.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    These guys maintain Sarovar.org, the open source project hosting web site which hosted PlayFair when it was driven out of SourceForge.

  51. Extra Credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Options for extra credit:

    1) Erase the kernel and everything else, replace with printf('Do you want to play a game?\n');

    2) Break into the sniffer on the bridge, and erase the packet logs. Return a copy later.

    3) Install BSD on it.

    4) Install and register Win XP on it, which would really confuse the next hacker.

    1. Re:Extra Credit by whathappenedtomonday · · Score: 1
      4) Install and register Win XP on it, which would really confuse the next hacker.

      *lol*

      but they said "no honeypots"..?!?!

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  52. Who wins when by varmittang · · Score: 1

    Who winds when all of slashdot DOS the server when it goes online.

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  53. Same basic principle by killmenow · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Determine hosting company
    Step 2: Contact Lashkar-e-Toiba
    Step 3: pwn3d!

  54. Welcome to Global Thermonuclear Warfare! Old Skool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recreate computer messages from Wargames, and give out pirated Wargame DVDs as prizes. Welcome to India.gov thermonuclear war simulation! Would you like to play a game?

  55. Re:very handy. *cough* by Halo- · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I totally agree that "cracking contests" are a bad way to demonstrate "security", but I don't think that is the purpose of this event. (It's a little hard to say because TFA is a bit sparse...)

    The experts and auditors who actually can evaluate a system for "security" have to come from somewhere. Usually these people start off as tinkers, hobbists, and other amateurs. The big problem is how does an amateur gain experience without breaking the law? When I was in college I had to go to great lengths to get approved access to a SunOS box I could poke at with the owner's permission. I wanted to explore things, but didn't want to break any laws or ethical principles.

    I think this is just for fun. Breaking into your own system that you know how you secured is boring. The chance to have a third party set up a system and openly invite you to try and break it is rare, and for some people probably very welcome. This sort of event helps ethical people hone their skills and nutures the next generation of experts and auditors.

    And finally, I don't want to disagree with Bruce Schneier (because he could crush me with his mind) but these contests do produce useful data if someone tries something which wasn't previously known. I beleive the context of the quote you provided makes that clear.

  56. Remember the LinuxPPC Security Challenge? by haaz · · Score: 1

    Here's a flashback to 1999. (Wooo, all those years ago!)

    LinuxPPC: "Crack our box."

    We (LinuxPPC Inc.) announced that in response to the LinuxPPC Security Challenge, a competition to break in to a computer running LinuxPPC 1999. The target computer is running the standard installation of LinuxPPC 1999. The target box has the Apache web server and telnet services turned on. Sendmail and FTP are not activated yet.

    The contest was announce in response to Microsoft's Window 2000 security challenge, which has a box running a Windows 2000 beta, we were going to put a PowerMac 9500 up running LinuxPPC 1999. While only HTTP is running on the Microsoft box, to make things more interesting, the LinuxPPC box had telnet service active, opening another possible door for endeavoring network security enthusiasts to break in.

    To make things interesting, we even gave out the root password.

    So what happened? A deserving LinuxPPC hacker, don't recall who, exploted a flaw in the FTP server (ProFTPd?) and got in, modifying the index.html file. He rightfully won the 9500, and Microsoft had a little more egg on its face.

    --
    -- haaz.
    1. Re:Remember the LinuxPPC Security Challenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The machine is going to Daniel Jacobowitz, who won it legitimately."

    2. Re:Remember the LinuxPPC Security Challenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft had egg on it's face because a Linux machine got hacked? I don't get it. Is this more Apple+Linux RDF(2) at work?

  57. trap by yoma · · Score: 1

    This is all a trap, I know it. It will probably be some PI with stonewall or something.

    --
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  58. Why bother by FyberOptic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These kinds of things never work. I've seen many of them pop up over the years, from Windows boxes to Macs to Linux, and they all fail. The reasons of course, are:

    a.) So many people will be trying, that the bandwidth available to do anything with the machine at all will be practically zero.

    b.) Some "hax0r" will decide to just packet the machine to death, thereby making it impossible to even do anything to.

    c.) The software will be up to date, limiting any vulnerabilities that can be taken advantage of, compared to your average server out there.

    d.) The time limit to do it is never long enough, especially because of the above problems.

    I've seen contests where they even turn on a firewall. Obviously whoever was in charge of those had no idea how anything works. Once that firewall goes up, there's not much of anything that can be done to the system solely from a remote position. It was even a default Windows install on the particular one I'm thinking of, and despite the vulnerabilities in a bare Windows XP install, nobody was ever able to do anything to it.

    I know the Linux machine in this contest is said to have no firewall, but like I said, the software will be mostly up to date. Most servers that are broken into are done so because they're running older versions of things with known vulnerabilities. Many of these machines are also on the web, running vulnerable versions of PHP and forums and whatnot, which allow one to take advantage of flaws from there, not necessarily via direct TCP connections.

    So while it's entirely possible to break into this particular Linux machine, I just don't think many "real hackers" will bother, for the reasons I mentioned above. It's fun to have challenges and all, but they're just not realistically implemented.

  59. No problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you succeed to become root you need to do the following to claim your achievement:
    1. You need to leave your mark at ``/''. It could be your email address, GPG public key or something else with which we can verify your identity.
    2. Take the server off the net (to avoid conflict). You can do this by stopping network service.
    3. Send an email to challenge@linuxense.com saying that you did it.

    OK, no problem.

    To: challenge@linuxense.com
    From: l33th4x0r@slashdot.org
    Subject: I did it!

    This message was sent to claim victory in your little hacking challenge. I hacked you so bad that you probably don't even know you were hacked. Thus I have proven my superiority! Hahahaha. I'm so l33t.

    Sincerely,

    The contest winner
  60. Sl45hd0773d! by Bud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    However, the server's life on the Net is in your hands.

    Ye-e-esss... just post the news on Slashdot, that ought to take care of the server's life on the net. Good idea!

    On the other hand, it could be that the 37 different rootkits are so busy 0wnz0ring each other, that the web service just MIGHT get enough peace to run for the required 96 hours. ;-)

    --Bud

  61. I will break this! by YukiKotetsu · · Score: 1

    Give me the physical address. I'll drive there, or just employ someone, to take a sledge hammer to it. It will then be completely broken.

    1. Re:I will break this! by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      Now that's what I call thinking out-side of the box.

      Come to think about it, they never did say you can't just go there, rip the hard-drive out, screw with it, and promptly trash the server physically.

      I remember there's a place where you can use IP to track down physical addresses...

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    2. Re:I will break this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lax physical security has lead to the compromise of many machines, but for something like this.. I doubt it would work..

      I'll stick with trying via the network..

      NB2E

  62. SELinux or something by Anthony+Liguori · · Score: 1

    They probably have SELinux installed on the system. You may be able to exploit one of the services but that won't be enough.

    You'd have to find an unpublished local root exploit in the Linux kernel. Good luck with that one.

    1. Re:SELinux or something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately 0-day bugs in the Linux kernel are really common. 2.6.x has barely been audited at all and it contains even a few huge higher level architecture problems that cause security problems.

      There should be at least ~1000 exploitable (locally or remotely) to be found by someone good enough. (I doubt thought that no one good tries since there is nothing to gain from the competition.)

      If you wan't to really find these and don't know where to look, take a -bk kernel diffs.. Usually for every publically announced Linux kernel vulnerability there is in reality a dozen that gets fixed silently.

  63. Re:very handy. *cough* by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One thing worth pointing out is that in real-life situations, the box isn't usually set aside as "the box to be hacked" ... its an active machine doing normal things with real people logging into it one way or another regularly.

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  64. pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should see what this id10t's running.

    Totally pwned!

  65. Yeah, no kidding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should really turn off that webcam at 11 at night when the wife's asleep. ;)

  66. This contest makes no sense. by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And neither do any contests of this sort. Break it down by the types of people who might enter the contest:

    1. White hats. Why would they do it? If they're any good, it'll just be a waste of time, and you can always set up your own server to practice with. There's not even any prize!

    2. Black hats (I mean real ones, not script kiddies). They wouldn't bother either. Why expose the contents of your secret toolbox for no good reason? Any hack attempts (and successes) will be fully logged, revealing your secret exploits. That's no good, is it?

    3. Script kiddies. Maybe they'll try, but they won't get in, unless the server is embarrassingly badly configured. If they do manage to crack it, what does that prove? That it's possible to set up a Linux box with terrible security if you happen to be incompetent?

    I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly WHAT this contest is for. The only thing I can imagine (which a few other people have mentioned in this discussion) is that it's meant to enhance the image of Linux as a secure platform. So what -- so you've shown that if you do a good job configuring your box, you can keep out script kiddies. To put it bluntly, no shit.

    1. Re:This contest makes no sense. by Linux_ho · · Score: 1
      <TINFOIL_HAT>
      Maybe it WILL be embarassingly ill-configured. Maybe it's a Microsoft-behind-the-scenes PR stunt targeting Linux' excellent security reputation. Security is, after all, one of the biggest reasons to move away from Windows.
      </TINFOIL_HAT>
      Hey, it's Slashdot. If I can't post a Microsoft conspiracy theory here, where CAN I post it?
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      1;
    2. Re:This contest makes no sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. No matter where you post, you're still an idiot.

    3. Re:This contest makes no sense. by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People who like breaking into other people's stuff because it's wrong, but they would never do so without permission, because it's wrong.

      That roughly describes me. I'd give it a try if I had any free time.

    4. Re:This contest makes no sense. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's true, but someone above did post that this block of addresses was owned by MS. Beleive it or not, your choice.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    5. Re:This contest makes no sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes perfect sense, they've been slashdotted, hence some cheap and easy publicity.

  67. If that's true... by bonch · · Score: 1

    ...then we can go after Microsoft. Anyone remember when they had Windows Server 2003 beta running on an online server for a hacking contest? As I recall, in response, someone else then promptly stuck up a Linux server and challenged it to be hacked as well.

    Does anyone remember what happened to either of these contests?

  68. Re:very handy. *cough* by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your quote, while partially right, is out of context. Schneier is talking about cryptographic cracking contests, especially of the form "here's a ciphertext file, tell me the plaintext." In this case, the attackers have much more access to the machine. Furthermore, there are more skilled hackers with free time than skilled cryptographers with free time.

    However, a much bigger problem is that they only give 96 hours. The Hardened Gentoo server is much more rigorous, as it has no prize associated but has been available to log into for a long time.

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  69. yet another attempt to malign linux ? by krayfx · · Score: 1

    207.46.156.156....honeypot by bill G.'s croonies and perhaps testing his new windows for supercomputer wares ? :-P

  70. !pwned. Connection Refused? by gfolkert · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whoa, every time I try to get there, I get connection refused.

    I have even done a *LOUD* NMap scan. I only get port: 22 (filtered)

    And that is it. Hmmm.

    Boy they MUST have a really well setup system. Either that or you are an Idiot.

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    1. Re:!pwned. Connection Refused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really, really disturbs me that the parent comment was modded +2 Informative instead of Funny.

      Mods - if you don't know what 127.0.0.1 means, why the hell are you even reading this article?

  71. Adobe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But what if there is Adobe software on the server? That is reason enough to send the stormtroopers after those pesky hackers.

  72. Yes, could be illegal if TOS violated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last time I entered one of these challenges, the group did bring the server down.

    But we brought it down using a technique they didn't authorize, so they attempted to prosecute. Of course, being anonymous, I never heard anything. Just what they posted on their website.

    So we ended up owning the server, and they claimed that the server wasn't hacked* because we didn't hack them using the methods allowed in the ToS.

    Not sure I care to waste my time on this type of contest.

  73. stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is plain stupid. When one wants to break something, he/she installs the software in his/her basement. Just another PR BS slashdot should not advertize.

  74. chroot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    chroot

  75. Harsher tests by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd love to get the resources to do this with some old software. Particularly, I'd like to set up a system with software all about 3 months behind on patches, SSP protected, PaX protected, PIE binaries, with the only up-to-date component being the kernel.

    I'd also need to allow for user simulation by giving a Web interface to control a Web browser; and by setting x-chat and gaim connected to everything.

    Basic outline:

    • x86 architecture
      • Most vulnerable architecture by nature of the horrible design of the CPU itself
      • Most common architecture, most attacks are focused here anyway; using PPC or sparc64 or such would be security by obscurity in essence, and we want a real test
    • 3 month old software, no security patches
    • Links to all published exploits for the software
      • Second honeypot has exploits we know we can't protect against fixed, MAYBE
    • GrSecurity kernel
      • Add chrooted shell
      • Let users shell in and try to break out of chroot
    • Kernel is up to date
    • Everything built with ProPolice
    • Remote Web access to control a root Web browser
    • X-chat connected to an IRC server
    • GAIM connected to IRC, AIM, MSN, and Yahoo
    • Remote Web access to make XMMS, Xine, mplayer, Rhythmbox, and totem play any file at any URL

    That would be my setup. And yes I'd use 2.6.11 GrSecurity with the fixed PaX.

    Man, now I want to find people to sponser me some lines to run 3 or 4 honeypots. . . .

    1. Re:Harsher tests by Cytlid · · Score: 1

      Reply to my latest journal entry please.

      --
      FLR
  76. Re:!pwned. Connection Refused? - Hint by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 1

    You might have to do port knocking to get in ..

    *knock
    *knock

    --
    I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
  77. In Netherlands, a big ISP allows hacking by hankwang · · Score: 1
    The Dutch ISP xs4all.nl has been offering this in their terms and conditions (see under 4.4) basically since they were founded somewhere around 1993. The bounty is 6 months of free access if you can get root permissions, under the condition that you tell how you did it and that you didn't cause damage.

    By the way, xs4all.nl offers its subscribers ssh access to a FreeBSD system, so you can try from the inside. Xs4all originated from a hacker/cracker club called Hacktic and this deal apparently helped the company to secure their systems extremely tightly.

  78. no zero day for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm going to waste a tcp/ip stack remote. and install a SOTA rootkit. ha. at least iDefense offers cash for zero day.

  79. Subliminal message by sponga · · Score: 1

    Dont forget my double barraled shotgun when you visit them.

  80. The real test. by ender- · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what the point of this type of contest is. The real test of a machine, is put to it up and use it permanently. If it doesn't get hacked, you're probably doing things right. [Or you're tremendously lucky :) ]

    I've had various public-facing servers up for years. The only one that's gotten hacked [I'm embarrassed,but I admit it happened] is my home firewall/router which was running a poorly set-up, poorly configured, slightly old version of Squid. It was frankly my fault that I got hacked. But I learned what went wrong, and I'm now more diligent. None of the ftp/web/mail servers I've put up have been hacked [yet, I acknowledge that it may happen eventually]. Even the ones I've had up in high-profile hosting facilities are still doing fine, in spite of being scanned and attacked regularly.

    Anyway, that's the real test. Put it up, use it, and keep current with security updates. There's really not a whole lot more to it.

    ender-

  81. It would be neat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    especially if it said something like:

    .. OMFG LOL FFS!!!!11 ..
    .. I craXX0r3d L4inuX ..
    .... 4nd a11 I g0tz ....
    .w4z teh fsckin T-5h1rt.

    Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters. Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters. Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.

  82. What if you threw a party, and nobody came? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's take a different approach on this one. It's a meaningless contest, after all. How about everybody just leave it the hell alone. Don't even ping the box.

    Perhaps someone could root their ISP instead, and redirect all the traffic intended for their contest box. They'd have 96 hours of empty packet logs for their efforts. Now that would be funny.

  83. Informative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF?

  84. "Titanic jokes"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Titanic Ta Mere !

    So, did you know that one ?

  85. We can only hope by PsychicX · · Score: 1

    If we're really lucky, somebody will flat out trash the box and put an end to this silly "Linux is god" mentality. Then the server world can become split between Windows and BSD, as it should be.

  86. Re:very handy. *cough* by mjh · · Score: 1

    Maybe, but cracking contests *can* demonstrate that something is insecure. IOW what might come out of this is that a professionally setup linux is just as insecure as an unprofessionally setup linux. If it doesn't get broken into, we don't know anything. If it does, we know something about the professionals who set it up.

    If this is not true, then what is the value of publically demonstrating a weakness? Publically demonstrating a weakness tells us about the weakness. Not being able to publically demonstrate a weakness does not mean the product is strong.

    In other words you can prove, through contests that something is insecure. But you can't prove that it's secure. ... or am I completely wrong?

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  87. Re:very handy. *cough* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the problems you encounter with these sorts of security contests is that the system you're attempting to crack is atypical. Meaning the people running the contest have already closed off most network services, removed suid binaries, use read-only filesystems, place you in a chroot'ed jail, etc. You're rarely given the typical misconfigured system with all the default services enabled, out-of-date user applications with known exploits, permission problems, etc.

  88. Similar Contest for Mac In Past by Spencerian · · Score: 1

    One was done by Apple Europe, others were private. This was back in the original Mac OS days, where the OS was much more uncrackable because there was no command line layer to speak with, and the OS had its own command structure that was not like anything else.

    Combined with a robust web server software like WebSTAR was at the time, there were many prize purses that were never distributed.

    While OS X today uses Apache and have many common ports closed by default in the client, it's more of a target, though I haven't heard of any cracking contests for it. To date, there haven't been any successful cracks not due to bad administration, though I'd like to hear about one if there is.

    --
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  89. Where?? by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

    You need to leave your mark at ``/''.

    I read that as "You need to leave your mark at slashdot."

  90. I hacked it! by Laconian · · Score: 1

    I tried my trusty list "zxcvb", "GOD", "SEX", "god", "krmit" and found that the stupid sysadmin had chosen GOD as his password, because they think they are gods!!!!

    1. Re:I hacked it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... I don't think... I am... so my password is not GOD...

    2. Re:I hacked it! by paranoidgeek · · Score: 1

      Umm if you had hacked it why is it still standing ?
      ( Default apache page )
      You do have to wonder how many of the comments on /.
      are really true.

      --
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  91. Some thoughts by MooseGuy529 · · Score: 1

    This is a really great idea, to see how secure Linux is.

    Some people have suggested that we test vanilla Linux distributions out of the box. I think this is a dumb idea, and I'll explain why: in any OS, there has to be a balance between security and convenience. Many features that a Linux desktop requires, for example (such as low-level hardware access) would be a security risk if exploited or messed with remotely. In a desktop Linux OS, the balance will be set to a convenient desktop that requires authentication for more important system stuff, while a server OS would have a stricter balance, requiring su or sudo for almost anything. Desktops are also less exposed to the world than servers, and don't run mission-critical services.

    This will be fun to see. I'm guessing the server will succumb to some exploit discovered while it is running, that could be patched. What would be interesting is to calculate the percentage of time that exploits (root or otherwise, depending on what you're concerned about) are known against an OS before a patch is available. This is where M$'s patch-once-a-month policy would hurt them a lot.

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  92. if i was really really good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'd RM the log servers, NIDS, everything. then make an offer to sell them their own logs for $10,000.

  93. CAUTION: Just check before participating by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1
    the IP address isn't the Pentagone main server's address or Federal Reserve Bank transaction system or ...

    Just make sure you are trying to access a system which is really owned by the linuxense company. Otherwise, it may end really bad for you. Instead of applause, a bunch of FBI agents will knock at your door.

    --
    Achille Talon
    Hop!
    1. Re:CAUTION: Just check before participating by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      I thik they'll know when thousands of people start trying to break through their server and the same time.

      --
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  94. Once I was blind.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...now I can see

    You're right we didn't see it before you opened our eyes, thx...

  95. Marketing by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

    This seems to be about marketing.

    " Our server can survive a 96 hour attack without a firewall, can yours ? "

    It's not for people who care, it's for the people who reads glossy covered magazines about business gear and PHB gadgets.

  96. NMAP results by akjacob · · Score: 1

    Interesting ports on 202.88.234.250: (The 1647 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE 7/tcp open echo 9/tcp open discard 13/tcp open daytime 19/tcp open chargen 22/tcp open ssh 25/tcp open smtp 37/tcp open time 80/tcp open http 111/tcp open rpcbind 135/tcp filtered msrpc 136/tcp filtered profile 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds 5432/tcp open postgres Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 24.782 seconds

  97. it's important to keep your private life [winhat] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a server machine "outside the wall" it's important to keep your private life private, i understand.

    My mother once asked me the same time for an expert to load and configure a system. The heart is the meat derived from the heart. I have absolutely no idea what you're typing, i would arrive at a professionally set up server?

    I told microsoft that their computers were totally unprotected from physical theft by armed gangs of paramilitants and received no response. I am now sharing this with the confiduential information you had access to all data and the internet.
    My riches consist not in the unix wars, unlike most of the ugliest fat bitches on the net is in his life?

  98. Don't have the latest versions... by grant+murray · · Score: 1

    They are running apache 1.3.31 (latest is 1.3.33) Exim 4.34 (latest is 3.50)

    1. Re:Don't have the latest versions... by rabeldable · · Score: 1

      Just because the banner say's version #, does not mean that has to be the version they are running.

      For all anyone knows its apache2 with version 1.3 banner. Its called security through obscurity.

      Apache/1.3.31 Server at localhost Port 80

      Connection closed by foreign host.

  99. Easy ! by wtarreau · · Score: 1

    > The root partition could be on a read only media such as a CD-ROM, right? In which case nobody could ever win.

    Easy:
    # mount -t ramfs none /any/dir
    # touch /any/dir/my_email@my_domain
    # pivot_root /any/dir /

    and your new root will be the dir which was previously under /any/dir. Of course, you'll have to mount /dev and to restart some services (eg: kill -1 1 to restart TTYs), but you get the idea.

    Willy

  100. Port Scan Results by calzplace · · Score: 1

    Just incase anyone is interested, here's a portscan and service version info:

    Interesting ports on 202.88.234.250:
    (The 1646 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
    PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
    7/tcp open echo
    9/tcp open discard?
    13/tcp open daytime
    19/tcp open chargen
    22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 3.8.1p1 Debian 1:3.8.1p1-4.1 (protocol 2.0)
    37/tcp open time
    80/tcp open http Apache httpd 1.3.31 ((Debian GNU/Linux))
    111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #100000)
    137/tcp filtered netbios-ns
    138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm
    139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn
    1080/tcp filtered socks
    1214/tcp filtered fasttrack
    3128/tcp filtered squid-http
    4480/tcp filtered proxy-plus
    5432/tcp open postgres?
    6588/tcp filtered analogx

    1 service unrecognized despite returning data. If you know the service/version,please submit the following fingerprint at http://www.insecure.org/cgi-bin/servicefp-submit.c gi :
    SF-Port5432-TCP:V=3.81%D=3/8%Time=422E35AC%P=i6 86- redhat-linux-gnu%r(SMBPr
    SF:ogNeg,85,"E\0\0\0\x84 SFATAL\0C0A000\0Munsupport ed\x20frontend\x20protoc
    SF:ol\x2065363\.19778:\x 20server\x20supports\x201\ .0\x20to\x203\.0\0Fpostm
    SF:aster\.c\0L1293\0RPro cessStartupPacket\0\0");

  101. Debian Linux Based? by jcole · · Score: 1

    Response Headers - http://www.linuxense.com/challenge/

    Proxy-Connection: Keep-Alive
    Connection: Keep-Alive
    Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:34:34 GMT
    Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-8
    Last-Modified: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:30:03 GMT
    Etag: "2381b5-d38-422e0b4b"
    Accept-Ranges: bytes
    Content-Length: 3384
    Content-Type: text/html

    1. Re:Debian Linux Based? by jcole · · Score: 1

      Yep.

      Response Headers - http://202.88.234.250/

      Proxy-Connection: Keep-Alive
      Connection: Keep-Alive
      Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:03:19 GMT
      Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Debian GNU/Linux)
      Last-Modified: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:48:28 GMT
      Etag: "4d0b-148a-4224649c"
      Accept-Ranges: bytes
      Content-Length: 5258
      Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

  102. ANYONE GOT THE STREET ADDRESS! by SCVirus · · Score: 1

    There are no rules prohibiting phyisical access to the machine... so if anyones got the address....

    1. Re:ANYONE GOT THE STREET ADDRESS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's in India

  103. LEET HAX0RABLE BOXES!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    127.0.0.1 is nothing.

    Even more powerful 0wnable boxes available at warez.phantom.com, 0x7F425292, http://0177.0xa/, and http://0x7f.33.017/.

  104. Slashdot and wargames by DarKry · · Score: 1

    Interesting to see this type of thing on slashdot. I have recently done some work for the guys running this. They have a bunch of different systems that are donated by the public. Alot of the owners have either placed software that they suspected exploits to exist for or set up vulnerable servers with all sorts of strange problems. I have written a few of these intentionally vulnerable servers for different people. Some of the guys playing are actually quite impressive and I have watched exploits on more than one piece of up to date software.

    Another example of fairly realistic wargame is here. Hackerslab is a single box set up with 17 levels of intentional vulnerabilities. The first few are realitively dumb but even you security types will learn things on the higher levels. If you have ever wondered how exactly a buffer overflow, format string, or integer underflow exploit works I encourage you to check it out. Currently some of my code is running on the FreeBSD box. Its been up for close to a week and noone has found the vuln yet. Maybe the slashdotters can do it.

  105. Ports opened by saxa · · Score: 0

    Thats what I got with nmap :)) nmap -P0 202.88.234.250 Starting nmap 3.75 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-03-09 09:47 CET Interesting ports on 202.88.234.250: (The 1637 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE 7/tcp open echo 9/tcp open discard 13/tcp open daytime 19/tcp open chargen 22/tcp open ssh 25/tcp open smtp 37/tcp open time 80/tcp open http 111/tcp open rpcbind 135/tcp filtered msrpc 137/tcp filtered netbios-ns 138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn 148/tcp filtered cronus 155/tcp filtered netsc-dev 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds 580/tcp filtered sntp-heartbeat 1018/tcp filtered unknown 1080/tcp filtered socks 1214/tcp filtered fasttrack 3128/tcp filtered squid-http 4480/tcp filtered proxy-plus 5432/tcp open postgres 6146/tcp filtered lonewolf-lm 6588/tcp filtered analogx 22321/tcp filtered wnn6_Tw Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2712.447 seconds

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    Saxa
  106. Open Ports by saxa · · Score: 0
    Thats what I got with nmap
    nmap -P0 202.88.234.250

    Starting nmap 3.75 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-03-09 09:47 CET
    Interesting ports on 202.88.234.250:
    (The 1637 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
    PORT STATE SERVICE
    7/tcp open echo
    9/tcp open discard
    13/tcp open daytime
    19/tcp open chargen
    22/tcp open ssh
    25/tcp open smtp
    37/tcp open time
    80/tcp open http
    111/tcp open rpcbind
    135/tcp filtered msrpc
    137/tcp filtered netbios-ns
    138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm
    139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn
    148/tcp filtered cronus
    155/tcp filtered netsc-dev
    445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds
    580/tcp filtered sntp-heartbeat
    1018/tcp filtered unknown
    1080/tcp filtered socks
    1214/tcp filtered fasttrack
    3128/tcp filtered squid-http
    4480/tcp filtered proxy-plus
    5432/tcp open postgres
    6146/tcp filtered lonewolf-lm
    6588/tcp filtered analogx
    22321/tcp filtered wnn6_Tw

    Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2712.447 seconds
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    Saxa
  107. Thou art silly! by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    There are a number of ways to test software, and you should use as many of them as possible. I have found quite a few bugs over the years by building generators that applied random inputs (with or without constraints) to a given piece of software. The whole idea is to test things you haven't thought of, test out of sequence, etc.

    The test here is the security world's version of my random test generator.