I have... but I'm rather sick of the constant MS bashing from a group of people who seem to have nothing better to do, who have their ideas of right and wrong, good and bad, etc... thatoften directly contradict their other deeply held beliefs.,/i>
I don't like how they operate. I don't like what they try to do to standards, just to make their piece a bit bigger.
I don't like paying 500+ per license for the lastest version of office, which comes with everything I don't need. I don't like their exclusionary tactics against linux. i don't like the 100-200 per OS license ( or CAL ).
Their software, on average, is ok if you know what you are doing and don't mind having to work with a handi-capped system ( security wise ). But given the reasons above, I can't ethically recommend anybody purchase from them.
Would you believe that I upgraded from win95 to win2k and it wouldn't work anymore?
Making single version jumps in OSes are risky at best, and I have yet to see a situation where it'd be better to do that then a clean install.
Applications, however, are a different story. I should be able to upgrade from 2.6 to 3.5 and not have to worry about it not working anymore.
And in MS's defense, it could simply be a different class of programmers working on windows. The skill or dedication could be to blame, not their software arch.
Open source has a much easier time convincing people to upgrade to the most current release because in most cases it costs nothing but a little time to move to the latest stable release.That, and I would say the upgrades are less..jarring.
Upgrade MS apps, something may in fact break. Upgrade an OSS app, and it's very likely to look and work mostly the same, with a few improvements.
1) Everybody has a use for this. If you are part of an organization that uses a paid for spamhaus, then you have a use for it.
2) Spamhaus recommends organizations that get 200,000+ emails a day sign up for the service. Conservatively, I think, we can estimate that would mean 100,000 users ( some get considerably more, most not at all ). At the high end, it's 14,500 a year. So, 14500/100000 = 14.5 cents a YEAR per user. I'll give you a fiver, if you shut up about the cost for the next 30+ years about it.
3) Say I'm way off, and the number is more like 20,000 users. That puts us at about 73 cents per year per user.
If you really can't afford that, how the hell are you able to sit here on the internet and gripe about it?
4) Spam, annually, costs you way more. Or, more accurately, they cost your provider more, which in turn, gets passed on to you. So what they are doing is a cost saving measure.
So, in closing, let me say this: Stop bitching, you are wrong.
And, I mentioned that they checked the code was indeed PD. It was beside my point.
So...your point was something completely unrelated to the article you posted to?
Okay
( And for future reference, not all of us understand PHB-ese. You might not want to use acronyms unless they are more well known than the words you are replacing. ie: dns, www... )
So...which is worse? Not reading the article and commenting, or reading the article and only reading what you are looking for?
Right before your quote, "We quickly double-checked that the licensing was clean, that the code was the author's original work, and that it indeed implemented the feature as promised; it passed on all counts.".
Music is music whether you like it or not. Both Pink and Eminem are musical geniuses not only in their respective genres but to the music world as a whole.
By this definition, I too could be a "music genius", after only a can of beans and about half an hour.
On an individual basis, who cares? It's just crap to delete.
Now, say you have an organization of a 1000, 90% of whom are your average users ( you want my email address? SURE THING ). 900 users getting spam in their mailbox? Where you would have needed a small 300mhz, 64mb system, now you need a dual 1ghz 1gig system and an admin to keep a constant eye on it.
And I'm not even going into the bandwidth and the spyware/trojan aspect of it.
End result: The side effects are spam are immense, financially.
But this isn't just a white collar crime. Take, for example, the pr0n spam. How many of those chicks do you suppose are 'legal'? Or how about prescription drugs, made available online? Or how about scams that rip off stupid old people ( I won a lottery that I never entered in a country I've never even heard of much less been to, and all I have to do to claim my reward is send them obscene amounts of money? Sign. Me. Up. ) of their retirements?
Spam and those that spam should be strung up by their ball sacks ( or tits. Let it never be said that I haven't discriminated against every single sensitive group ) and stones should be sold, 5c per pound.
Not to understate the other influences you mentioned, which certaintly are problems, but the guys building this aren't exactly blame free either. They seem to have dropped teh ball just as much as everyone else.
True, but this smacks, to me at least, as a product pushed out the door before it was done, and that can ALWAYS be traced back to management.
Engineers have a lot of great ideas and can even make them happen but there are a lot of angles they don't see or even think of. Many of the engineers aren't even the target users and don't really understand how something gets used.
I would say this is a small part of the problem, a lot of the time. Budgets and deadlines, PHB and marketing, now there are the real culprits. Engineers are smart people, and in this case, professionals. You tell them what you want, they will deliver it. But not when you've got one side saying this needs to be done yesterday and the other adding shit on your to-do list.
This is one place I will give props to the military. They require Quality Assurance and testing by the user before they will sign off on something....and big companies don't do this...okaayy..
However, we do not live in a perfect society, and quite frankly, I don't really want to support these loosers the rest of my life because they can't acted less like savages and more like civilized man.
If it makes you feel any better, look at it this way: When a person commits a crime that they KNOW would get them the death penalty, they are killing themselves. At worse, what we are doing is assisting in a suicide.
We have too many worthless human beings mooching off the system as it is ( in jail ), imagine how much we'd save if we suddenly didn't have to deal with all the 1st degree murders? Imagine how much good that money could do.
Not perfect, but if I were given a choice on where to put my cash between a prison full of rejects, or education for the little ones...guess which one I'd choose.
When I need something ( chiropractic, new car, ect... ), I ask them if they'd be willing to barter services for a better price ( or simple trades, often enough. You'd be surprised at how much you can get like that ).
Often, what will give me the idea is I see something that I can improve on.
Granted, most of the time, they are taken care of in that dept, but often enough I have gotten free stuff for a couple hours worth of work.:)
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Fucking retarded Cut off your nose to spite your face ( which always seemed somehow wrong to me... ) Fucking retarded.
Now, I'm not an admin on their campus ( which is a damn shame for them ), but talk about being just this side of the shortbus. ( Note that I read the bable, but ended up even more confused that simply trying my hand at it without it ). My pathetic little email server ( pII233, 128megs of ram, qmail with qmailscanner, clamscan and spamassassin ), is able to process your standard piece of spam in about 1 second. Approx. Now, I don't know what software they were using, but I'd be willing to hazard it was exchange.
All this just goes to show one thing: GERMANS LOVE DAVID HASSLEHOFF.
I've been using it since tuesday, and my biggest complaint is CIPE being dropped, and the gui setup not being updated for the new IPSec tools.
IMHO, they should have kept cipe ( depreciated maybe, removed next release ), but added the new userland tools and gui for the ipsec stuff in the kernel. Give people some wiggle room, for those of us using vpns.
Of course, it'd also be nice if they included support for pptp out of box...but I digress.;)
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I have... but I'm rather sick of the constant MS bashing from a group of people who seem to have nothing better to do, who have their ideas of right and wrong, good and bad, etc... thatoften directly contradict their other deeply held beliefs.,/i>
Ah ha. So you are, in fact, a bigot.
Got it, that clears it all up for me. Thanks.
Congress? But, you repeat yourself ...
And, often, I mumble to myself. And drool, on rare occations.
You see, it's called a joke. Perhaps you've heard of them?
I would hardly call MS lobbiest "technical advisors".
yeah, that's right, the one where ol'Dicky is supposedly a robot.
Why? Because if I want to read lies, I might as well know I'm reading them.
I just want to know who dusty-whatever is so I can beat the stupid right out of him.
I don't like how they operate. I don't like what they try to do to standards, just to make their piece a bit bigger.
I don't like paying 500+ per license for the lastest version of office, which comes with everything I don't need. I don't like their exclusionary tactics against linux. i don't like the 100-200 per OS license ( or CAL ).
Their software, on average, is ok if you know what you are doing and don't mind having to work with a handi-capped system ( security wise ). But given the reasons above, I can't ethically recommend anybody purchase from them.
naturally excluding known large email servers
Why are they excluded? If the admins can't do their god damned jobs and run a secured email server, why should they be coddled?
Would you believe that I upgraded from win95 to win2k and it wouldn't work anymore?
Making single version jumps in OSes are risky at best, and I have yet to see a situation where it'd be better to do that then a clean install.
Applications, however, are a different story. I should be able to upgrade from 2.6 to 3.5 and not have to worry about it not working anymore.
And in MS's defense, it could simply be a different class of programmers working on windows. The skill or dedication could be to blame, not their software arch.
Open source has a much easier time convincing people to upgrade to the most current release because in most cases it costs nothing but a little time to move to the latest stable release.That, and I would say the upgrades are less..jarring.
Upgrade MS apps, something may in fact break. Upgrade an OSS app, and it's very likely to look and work mostly the same, with a few improvements.
2+3. It will cost more than that.
Oh? Do you have any facts behind that? How about some sound reasoning? Shit, I'd take a wild shot in the dark.
It gets even better. The blurb says that's annual fees. So, you'd be out an extra 19 cents a year.
Sign. Me. Up.
1) Everybody has a use for this. If you are part of an organization that uses a paid for spamhaus, then you have a use for it.
2) Spamhaus recommends organizations that get 200,000+ emails a day sign up for the service. Conservatively, I think, we can estimate that would mean 100,000 users ( some get considerably more, most not at all ). At the high end, it's 14,500 a year. So, 14500/100000 = 14.5 cents a YEAR per user. I'll give you a fiver, if you shut up about the cost for the next 30+ years about it.
3) Say I'm way off, and the number is more like 20,000 users. That puts us at about 73 cents per year per user.
If you really can't afford that, how the hell are you able to sit here on the internet and gripe about it?
4) Spam, annually, costs you way more. Or, more accurately, they cost your provider more, which in turn, gets passed on to you. So what they are doing is a cost saving measure.
So, in closing, let me say this: Stop bitching, you are wrong.
And, I mentioned that they checked the code was indeed PD. It was beside my point.
So...your point was something completely unrelated to the article you posted to?
Okay
( And for future reference, not all of us understand PHB-ese. You might not want to use acronyms unless they are more well known than the words you are replacing. ie: dns, www... )
So...which is worse? Not reading the article and commenting, or reading the article and only reading what you are looking for?
Right before your quote, "We quickly double-checked that the licensing was clean, that the code was the author's original work, and that it indeed implemented the feature as promised; it passed on all counts.".
Did ya miss that on your way to bash these folks?
Music is music whether you like it or not. Both Pink and Eminem are musical geniuses not only in their respective genres but to the music world as a whole.
By this definition, I too could be a "music genius", after only a can of beans and about half an hour.
I think you are missing a few pieces here.
On an individual basis, who cares? It's just crap to delete.
Now, say you have an organization of a 1000, 90% of whom are your average users ( you want my email address? SURE THING ). 900 users getting spam in their mailbox? Where you would have needed a small 300mhz, 64mb system, now you need a dual 1ghz 1gig system and an admin to keep a constant eye on it.
And I'm not even going into the bandwidth and the spyware/trojan aspect of it.
End result: The side effects are spam are immense, financially.
But this isn't just a white collar crime. Take, for example, the pr0n spam. How many of those chicks do you suppose are 'legal'? Or how about prescription drugs, made available online? Or how about scams that rip off stupid old people ( I won a lottery that I never entered in a country I've never even heard of much less been to, and all I have to do to claim my reward is send them obscene amounts of money? Sign. Me. Up. ) of their retirements?
Spam and those that spam should be strung up by their ball sacks ( or tits. Let it never be said that I haven't discriminated against every single sensitive group ) and stones should be sold, 5c per pound.
Not to understate the other influences you mentioned, which certaintly are problems, but the guys building this aren't exactly blame free either. They seem to have dropped teh ball just as much as everyone else.
True, but this smacks, to me at least, as a product pushed out the door before it was done, and that can ALWAYS be traced back to management.
Engineers have a lot of great ideas and can even make them happen but there are a lot of angles they don't see or even think of. Many of the engineers aren't even the target users and don't really understand how something gets used.
...and big companies don't do this...okaayy..
I would say this is a small part of the problem, a lot of the time. Budgets and deadlines, PHB and marketing, now there are the real culprits. Engineers are smart people, and in this case, professionals. You tell them what you want, they will deliver it. But not when you've got one side saying this needs to be done yesterday and the other adding shit on your to-do list.
This is one place I will give props to the military. They require Quality Assurance and testing by the user before they will sign off on something.
Killing people is wrong. No matter who does it.
And in a perfect society, this is true.
However, we do not live in a perfect society, and quite frankly, I don't really want to support these loosers the rest of my life because they can't acted less like savages and more like civilized man.
If it makes you feel any better, look at it this way: When a person commits a crime that they KNOW would get them the death penalty, they are killing themselves. At worse, what we are doing is assisting in a suicide.
We have too many worthless human beings mooching off the system as it is ( in jail ), imagine how much we'd save if we suddenly didn't have to deal with all the 1st degree murders? Imagine how much good that money could do.
Not perfect, but if I were given a choice on where to put my cash between a prison full of rejects, or education for the little ones...guess which one I'd choose.
In a fucking heartbeat.
...and by the 21st century, weren't we all supposed to have flying cars?
Personally, I'll take the flying cars...;)
When I need something ( chiropractic, new car, ect... ), I ask them if they'd be willing to barter services for a better price ( or simple trades, often enough. You'd be surprised at how much you can get like that ).
:)
Often, what will give me the idea is I see something that I can improve on.
Granted, most of the time, they are taken care of in that dept, but often enough I have gotten free stuff for a couple hours worth of work.
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Fucking retarded
Cut off your nose to spite your face ( which always seemed somehow wrong to me... )
Fucking retarded.
Now, I'm not an admin on their campus ( which is a damn shame for them ), but talk about being just this side of the shortbus. ( Note that I read the bable, but ended up even more confused that simply trying my hand at it without it ). My pathetic little email server ( pII233, 128megs of ram, qmail with qmailscanner, clamscan and spamassassin ), is able to process your standard piece of spam in about 1 second. Approx. Now, I don't know what software they were using, but I'd be willing to hazard it was exchange.
All this just goes to show one thing: GERMANS LOVE DAVID HASSLEHOFF.
Yea, I could use a $1000 paperweight myself.
Do you really think Darl is worth that much?
He's like the last prostitute on the block at 3am, just looking for the drunk-blind sucker to give him a fiver.
What half an hour, you can probably talk him down to 2.
I've been using it since tuesday, and my biggest complaint is CIPE being dropped, and the gui setup not being updated for the new IPSec tools.
;)
IMHO, they should have kept cipe ( depreciated maybe, removed next release ), but added the new userland tools and gui for the ipsec stuff in the kernel. Give people some wiggle room, for those of us using vpns.
Of course, it'd also be nice if they included support for pptp out of box...but I digress.