Really, I think that Microsoft would rather dump Office than have a 'low-price' version being marketed. There are thousands of features that most people don't know how to use, and Micorosft probably wouldn't want to invest in those features if they didn't have everybody paying for it.
I am an identical twin. My brother and I both got glasses when we were 13, and he rather enjoyed wearing them. I used them sparingly.
Here we are in college. I now have to wear glasses to drive legally. My brother has no such constraints. Also, now that I wear glasses constantly, my vision changes about.25 in each eye each year... Sometimes better, sometimes worse.
Surprisingly, I have seen subpar IBM boxes. Even though I still have an IBM PC/AT from 1985ish, there was a time that IBM made some crappy personal computers. We had two labs full of them at my school. Five were DOA, and another three died within the first year. That came to about 12% of the machines. Needless to say, this was only a brief period of time. I've never known another model of IBM to be that flaky.
Not to (I'm sure) a very large portion of Americans who live in small towns where developing broadband via DSL and Cable is simply too expensive to be practical and profitable.
I happen to live between two towns that are (combined) approximately 30,000 people. All phone lines would have to be replaced, or the cable company would have to dig up so much ground everywhere to replace its infrastructure that they can't see it as a good business decision. Dirty lines are the bane of our lives.
Well, my free as in beer comparison was, once again, imprecise. I responded to a parent poster who said that one would have to purchase a compiler *separately by a different vender*. This is no longer the case, and hasn't been since the introduction of the framework.
I'm sorry for my lack of precision. However, without letting myself mangle the acronyms (;)), I attended a lecture by one of Microsoft's minions working on Longhorn, who made a big point about the compilers all being included with the final release.
Matthew
I know I'll get modded troll for this, but here it goes...
Microsoft now supplies free (as in beer) compilers for C#, VB.NET C++, J++, etc. with the dot net framework, which is available here. Longhorn will come with the.NET framework, and thus all of the compilers, preinstalled.
According to my source (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=1002 97&bt=9&ht=2&sro=1), Tokyo would now be the #2 on that list with 51 skyscrapers over 500 ft.
Sign that displays messages based on web content: Very Cool.
Pointing tens of thousands of nerds to your DSL line: Not cool at all.
But seriously, that's a pretty cool idea. I could imagine one on my desk cycling through Slashdot headlines, weather information, and (of course) my fortune file.:) But it would be even cooler if one could rig up an 802.11 interface!
When you speak of all of the extra classes that you take, they are really more geared to knowing what you will be working with. Programmers will not be able to write any sort of significant programs without at least a little calculus or linear algebra. Also, new technology will always make your job easier, so you have to learn how to learn these new programming paradigms.
Your argument seems to me that it could be applied to any engineering field. "I'm doing 'electrical engineering', but I have had to take classes on circuits, physics, math, materials... It should be more of an 'Electrical Engineering and Nuclear Physics' degree". Basics in these fields won't make you a scientist, which is why B.S. CS students probably should be called a software engineer instead of a computer scientist.
Well, this is the way I think of it. MS makes one OS for a huge range of performances. XP runs on my celeron laptop, XP runs on my 3200+. How is Microsoft going to differentiate those who need their software-hardware bundle for games and those who want to pay less and use it for word processing? I don't think they can really make different tiers of their OS, because that would probably make things more expensive anyway.
There will always be those who need more power than others, and people yearn for economy of scale! "I don't want to pay $1200 dollars for windows when I can buy a really good $200 typewriter!"
This is, of course, the point in the conversation that I insist that illegal activities is not the way to make yourself heard to the industry. The RIAA can just sue the pants off of you for downloading things, which doesn't really help your cause. A better answer would be to boycott RIAA record labels (yes, there are record labels that aren't part of the RIAA). Find some indie artists to enjoy, and don't give the RIAA any more of your money. They have no recourse (suing you) and you don't have to go without music while continuing to make a noble statement.
You know, I like Word a lot. I definitely would have bought that ONE program, if only that ONE program was available. I don't wanna buy five or six crap programs just to get Word.
Word
Wait... $230? Hell Naw!
Seriously, though, your reasoning is flawed. When you're talking about an artist "bundling" songs, you're not really talking about the kind of monopoly MS has. No artists have a monopoly on music that you need to listen to in order to use your stereo in a semi-standard way.
It's like Zeppelin used to do... They refused to have their songs played on the radio because they saw their albums as a whole as works of art. Are you gonna sue Led Zeppelin for that?
1) Cheer on developer for releasing proof of concept virus
2) Turn him into Microsoft for some reward money...
3) Profit!
I have exactly one point of karma, so I thought it would be worth it.;)
So... Using your disclaimer, if we reading this post think that you are talking about those reading this post, then we reading this post are wrong. But you also say that you isn't personal you... Does that mean "you" refers to Cowboy Neal? That's really confusing!
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Really, I think that Microsoft would rather dump Office than have a 'low-price' version being marketed. There are thousands of features that most people don't know how to use, and Micorosft probably wouldn't want to invest in those features if they didn't have everybody paying for it.
I am an identical twin. My brother and I both got glasses when we were 13, and he rather enjoyed wearing them. I used them sparingly.
.25 in each eye each year... Sometimes better, sometimes worse.
Here we are in college. I now have to wear glasses to drive legally. My brother has no such constraints. Also, now that I wear glasses constantly, my vision changes about
Surprisingly, I have seen subpar IBM boxes. Even though I still have an IBM PC/AT from 1985ish, there was a time that IBM made some crappy personal computers. We had two labs full of them at my school. Five were DOA, and another three died within the first year. That came to about 12% of the machines. Needless to say, this was only a brief period of time. I've never known another model of IBM to be that flaky.
Not to (I'm sure) a very large portion of Americans who live in small towns where developing broadband via DSL and Cable is simply too expensive to be practical and profitable.
I happen to live between two towns that are (combined) approximately 30,000 people. All phone lines would have to be replaced, or the cable company would have to dig up so much ground everywhere to replace its infrastructure that they can't see it as a good business decision. Dirty lines are the bane of our lives.
Linux geeks can be back-woods folk, too. =)
Well, my free as in beer comparison was, once again, imprecise. I responded to a parent poster who said that one would have to purchase a compiler *separately by a different vender*. This is no longer the case, and hasn't been since the introduction of the framework.
I'm sorry for my lack of precision. However, without letting myself mangle the acronyms (;)), I attended a lecture by one of Microsoft's minions working on Longhorn, who made a big point about the compilers all being included with the final release. Matthew
I know I'll get modded troll for this, but here it goes...
.NET framework, and thus all of the compilers, preinstalled.
Microsoft now supplies free (as in beer) compilers for C#, VB.NET C++, J++, etc. with the dot net framework, which is available here. Longhorn will come with the
According to my source (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=1002 97&bt=9&ht=2&sro=1), Tokyo would now be the #2 on that list with 51 skyscrapers over 500 ft.
Matthew
Sign that displays messages based on web content: Very Cool.
:) But it would be even cooler if one could rig up an 802.11 interface!
Pointing tens of thousands of nerds to your DSL line: Not cool at all.
But seriously, that's a pretty cool idea. I could imagine one on my desk cycling through Slashdot headlines, weather information, and (of course) my fortune file.
When you speak of all of the extra classes that you take, they are really more geared to knowing what you will be working with. Programmers will not be able to write any sort of significant programs without at least a little calculus or linear algebra. Also, new technology will always make your job easier, so you have to learn how to learn these new programming paradigms.
Your argument seems to me that it could be applied to any engineering field. "I'm doing 'electrical engineering', but I have had to take classes on circuits, physics, math, materials... It should be more of an 'Electrical Engineering and Nuclear Physics' degree". Basics in these fields won't make you a scientist, which is why B.S. CS students probably should be called a software engineer instead of a computer scientist.
Well, this is the way I think of it. MS makes one OS for a huge range of performances. XP runs on my celeron laptop, XP runs on my 3200+. How is Microsoft going to differentiate those who need their software-hardware bundle for games and those who want to pay less and use it for word processing? I don't think they can really make different tiers of their OS, because that would probably make things more expensive anyway.
There will always be those who need more power than others, and people yearn for economy of scale! "I don't want to pay $1200 dollars for windows when I can buy a really good $200 typewriter!"
This is, of course, the point in the conversation that I insist that illegal activities is not the way to make yourself heard to the industry. The RIAA can just sue the pants off of you for downloading things, which doesn't really help your cause. A better answer would be to boycott RIAA record labels (yes, there are record labels that aren't part of the RIAA). Find some indie artists to enjoy, and don't give the RIAA any more of your money. They have no recourse (suing you) and you don't have to go without music while continuing to make a noble statement.
You know, I like Word a lot. I definitely would have bought that ONE program, if only that ONE program was available. I don't wanna buy five or six crap programs just to get Word. Word Wait... $230? Hell Naw! Seriously, though, your reasoning is flawed. When you're talking about an artist "bundling" songs, you're not really talking about the kind of monopoly MS has. No artists have a monopoly on music that you need to listen to in order to use your stereo in a semi-standard way. It's like Zeppelin used to do... They refused to have their songs played on the radio because they saw their albums as a whole as works of art. Are you gonna sue Led Zeppelin for that?
1) Cheer on developer for releasing proof of concept virus 2) Turn him into Microsoft for some reward money... 3) Profit! I have exactly one point of karma, so I thought it would be worth it. ;)
So... Using your disclaimer, if we reading this post think that you are talking about those reading this post, then we reading this post are wrong. But you also say that you isn't personal you... Does that mean "you" refers to Cowboy Neal? That's really confusing!