...In concussion, I would not expect integrated graphics to hut general computing performance. Though I would of course check that the graphics performance is adequate, as it may not be possible to update in the future.
Lol... stop banging your head on the desk - then you'll stop getting concussions, and integrated graphics will cease and desist making a hut over computer performance.
I just don't understand fellow U.S. tech-industry slashdotters creaming their pants about this. Because of the our industry's corruption and willingness to employ multitudinous/cheap but crappy labor forces from the third world instead of qualified Americans - we will,eventually, all be sweeping floors at McDee's.
I don't know how about you - but is sure pisses me off to know that the tech industry would rather have an Engrish-speaking sweatshop slave they can pay $1 per day than a fully qualified Software Engineer they would actually have to treat like a human being.
roflmao...
lol ok...
fair enough... but - the effort of warezing a program, so useless that I can replicate its functionality with already existing free tools (or by writing my own), isn't worth it.
See, not all of us are corporate pointy-haired "IT professionals" or people with enough bucks to shell out for software that I can easily replace with (free) tools that have been around for 20 years.
If I want to "clone" a disk - I
1) put both in the same computer
2) partition the disk
3) "cp -a" the entire friggin root directory to the new disk.
4) run LILO on the new disk
5)I'ma fucking done.
6)...
7) Profit!
Guess what buddy - if the original disk is 2GB, and the new disk is 2TB - I still win.
BTW - DD _is_ useful, say to make an image backup of your small/boot or root partition. I'll have you notice that/opt,/usr and/home don't belong on the root partition - thus DD'in if=/dev/sda1 of=root.sda1, bzip2'ing it and writing it that to a CDR is a painless operation.
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Uhh no... they shot up a school-full of kids.
I can only wish whenever some new social-reject mentally unstable nuts go to take their "revenge" on the society, that you be the first victim. Preferably - that you got shot somewhere where you would die a slow, messy and painful death - like getting shot in the gut.
Maybe then you'll learn that they weren't "heroes" but just pieces of shit that should have been finished off by a firing squad, crucifixtion - or preferably both.
Of course, in a proper non-diseased society, this dysgenic human garbage wouldn't even exist - but thats a different issue.
Check the chipset - there is a *bunch* of freshly-minted new chipsets out there that are unsupported at the moment by native linux drivers. The Belkin card is likely a clone of something biggger-sounding like 3COM, Intel, or whatever...
If you want a Linux-able WiFi card get orinico-based cards. Or even better - get the Linksys WPC11 Version 3 (V3) or Version 2 (V2) or the original one. Do *not* get WPC11 v4, its based on a COMPLETELY alien chipset.
Another thing you can try is ndiswrapper. Beware - project in progress- you mileage may vary betwee working, hacking in extra NTKernel functions to make it work, and Oopsing the kernel...
Another thing you may try if your pockets are deep - are commercial wrappers that allow you to run windows WiFi drivers under linux. I think there are a couple - I'm sorry I dont remember their names.
I played around with the fscktarded rtl8180 WPC11 v4 - under ndiswrapper - but there is STILL much NT Kernel to implement to every make it work.
Whats sad is - the ndiswrapper team didn't take my patches even tho I emailed them a DIFF against the CVS:-( They were simple fuctions too....
Fair enough - and frankly, I don't really care much for pictures, so it does't really bother me.
Here's hoping for a successful mission to Mars in 2004...
I think this is a rather simple case of user error.
Did ya get the proper bios image? Did you boot up with no drivers loaded - and especially no driver "loaded high"? That means no atapi.sys, no mscdex and no mouse.com.
FreeDOS a fscking clone of MS-DOG for crying out loud. No more - no less. Having failed at such a rudimentary task does not give you voice to discredit and slander a perfectly functional system.
Besides - don't whine about not having win98 in your house - you download thousands of (MS/PC/DR/Novell) DOS bootdisks - all free.
Knowing the (lack of) success of all the previous ESA/NASA/RSA missions to Mars - we will still be looking at Viking 1 photos in press and media releases.
Yeah yeah ok - maybe not Viking 1, maybe even from the MGS - but only if we pester NASA enough...
(Note - this isn't a troll. I'm just to fscking tired at 4:00 to come up with something more coherent ok?)
Not that I have anything against OS X or anything, but I don't see myself converting to a $2000 computer (or more, depending how many toy^H^H^Hfeatures you desire) with a closed source (Its OSS kernel doesn't constitute the entire OS, just the executive) ~$100 OS where each upgrade costs another $100.
By all means - if you have the finances go for it. I don't - and likely never will. I think I'll stick to my $500 AthlonXP + Slackware9.1 for now. And in a couple of years - Ill switch to an $500 Athlon64 + SlackwareX.X.
No - its an opinion, Mr. Anonymous Coward whose too afraid to put a name behind his opinion
Damn, I love Slashdot. Every time someone disagrees with your opinion, they go on a moderation crusade. Troll Troll Troll... Overrated Overrated Overrated...
a) The hardware doesn't match. Geez guys - you could have at least used the same goddamn type of video card.
b) The software doesn't match. Why on EARTH didn't you use Linux on both machines? The software isn't matched at all. Windows XP (WinNT) kernel is a VMS derivative with some mach code stuffed it. OS X kernel is a mach + BSD server + Iokit system. Next time you do an "analysis" why don't you boot the opteron with MS-DOG 6.22 and the G5 in Mac OS 4... ok? Stupid...
c) UT2003 amd Q3A aren't CPU benchmarks. They'r GPU benchmarks and the 9800XT won - good work guys...
d) Math is pretty CPU intensive. Maybe you shoud..... eh nevermind... judging by the stupid mistakes these imbeciles made - math beyond counting Mhz, Gigabytes, framerates and Fahrenheits might be a tad beyond them.
Not sure what.. you are... talking about...
But VALVe patched the servers to not recognise Wine/WineX as a hack - lol. I think there was a patch for WIne floating around before as well... meh.
Well - I've gotten CS 1.3 and CS 1.4 (note - not CS 1.5, gah) to successfuly run under Wine (which was whatever the latest CVS was two summers ago). I compiled WINE with the OpenGL wrapper and the results weren't bad - it was playable. Not as fast as under windows (50 fps instead of 70 - and yeah, I dual-booted then - mostly cause of CS) - but pretty good. The cheat protection tho saw Wine's opengl.dll as a cheat - so I had to play on unprotected servers.
This entire summer I played Day of Defeat 1.0 on top of HalfLife under Wine (whatever the latest CVS was, lol). HL acted more buggy. I couldn't use the VGUI without a crash - so I had to run HL with the servername on the commandline. Its alright if yu use XQF or some online server browser. The really cool thing was that the Wine folks fixed the whole "wine's opengl.dll cheats" bug - so I could play on real servers.
However, I had no luck at all with Steam under wine. I'll probably go back to it sometime - see if it works - and if it doesn't , attempt to implement the numerous unimplemented functions it needed.
The patches on www.minion.de allow the latest NVIDIA driver to compile/run under 2.6 - as well as fix the crash with VIA-chipsets.
The patches against the NVIDIA driver at www.minion.de allowed the driver to successfully load on kernel 2.4.22 on my VIA kt266a-based motherboard with FX5200-based video. (That is - without the Ooops crashes descirbed in my previous post)
X11 starts normally. 2D graphics seems same.
However...
Glxgears has horribly mutilated graphics. The shapes aren't filled in, its all blinking/flashing and there is a lot of extraneous junk/shapes randomly appearing and disappearing really fast. Its slow too at that - 400fps. I tried ut2k3 - same story - horribly slow and mutilated graphics. it says that AGP was working. Checked dmesg again - no errors.
Of course, I was concentrating on the now-defunct Dos+Windows 3.1+Win32 Chimaera.
WinNT however, was based of VMS (hell most of the initial programmers in the late 80s were VMS people) - but then again, judging the obscurity of internal kernel API et al, whats there to copy?
Besides - who wants the INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE Process Creation from VMS-derived systems such as VMS and WNT in Linux?
You want a WNT-derived GPL OS? (That has the same kernel API, and are implementing win32 et al - good enough to run windows apps as well as use windows drivers)
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Lol... stop banging your head on the desk - then you'll stop getting concussions, and integrated graphics will cease and desist making a hut over computer performance.
I just don't understand fellow U.S. tech-industry slashdotters creaming their pants about this. Because of the our industry's corruption and willingness to employ multitudinous/cheap but crappy labor forces from the third world instead of qualified Americans - we will,eventually, all be sweeping floors at McDee's.
I don't know how about you - but is sure pisses me off to know that the tech industry would rather have an Engrish-speaking sweatshop slave they can pay $1 per day than a fully qualified Software Engineer they would actually have to treat like a human being.
roflmao... lol ok... fair enough... but - the effort of warezing a program, so useless that I can replicate its functionality with already existing free tools (or by writing my own), isn't worth it.
See, not all of us are corporate pointy-haired "IT professionals" or people with enough bucks to shell out for software that I can easily replace with (free) tools that have been around for 20 years. If I want to "clone" a disk - I 1) put both in the same computer 2) partition the disk 3) "cp -a" the entire friggin root directory to the new disk. 4) run LILO on the new disk 5)I'ma fucking done. 6)... 7) Profit! Guess what buddy - if the original disk is 2GB, and the new disk is 2TB - I still win. BTW - DD _is_ useful, say to make an image backup of your small /boot or root partition. I'll have you notice that /opt, /usr and /home don't belong on the root partition - thus DD'in if=/dev/sda1 of=root.sda1, bzip2'ing it and writing it that to a CDR is a painless operation.
Uhh no... they shot up a school-full of kids.
I can only wish whenever some new social-reject mentally unstable nuts go to take their "revenge" on the society, that you be the first victim. Preferably - that you got shot somewhere where you would die a slow, messy and painful death - like getting shot in the gut.
Maybe then you'll learn that they weren't "heroes" but just pieces of shit that should have been finished off by a firing squad, crucifixtion - or preferably both.
Of course, in a proper non-diseased society, this dysgenic human garbage wouldn't even exist - but thats a different issue.
WiFi?
:-( They were simple fuctions too....
Check the chipset - there is a *bunch* of freshly-minted new chipsets out there that are unsupported at the moment by native linux drivers. The Belkin card is likely a clone of something biggger-sounding like 3COM, Intel, or whatever...
If you want a Linux-able WiFi card get orinico-based cards. Or even better - get the Linksys WPC11 Version 3 (V3) or Version 2 (V2) or the original one. Do *not* get WPC11 v4, its based on a COMPLETELY alien chipset.
Another thing you can try is ndiswrapper. Beware - project in progress- you mileage may vary betwee working, hacking in extra NTKernel functions to make it work, and Oopsing the kernel...
Another thing you may try if your pockets are deep - are commercial wrappers that allow you to run windows WiFi drivers under linux. I think there are a couple - I'm sorry I dont remember their names.
I played around with the fscktarded rtl8180 WPC11 v4 - under ndiswrapper - but there is STILL much NT Kernel to implement to every make it work.
Whats sad is - the ndiswrapper team didn't take my patches even tho I emailed them a DIFF against the CVS
Fair enough - and frankly, I don't really care much for pictures, so it does't really bother me. Here's hoping for a successful mission to Mars in 2004...
I think this is a rather simple case of user error.
Did ya get the proper bios image?
Did you boot up with no drivers loaded - and especially no driver "loaded high"? That means no atapi.sys, no mscdex and no mouse.com.
FreeDOS a fscking clone of MS-DOG for crying out loud. No more - no less. Having failed at such a rudimentary task does not give you voice to discredit and slander a perfectly functional system.
Besides - don't whine about not having win98 in your house - you download thousands of (MS/PC/DR/Novell) DOS bootdisks - all free.
Knowing the (lack of) success of all the previous ESA/NASA/RSA missions to Mars - we will still be looking at Viking 1 photos in press and media releases.
Yeah yeah ok - maybe not Viking 1, maybe even from the MGS - but only if we pester NASA enough...
(Note - this isn't a troll. I'm just to fscking tired at 4:00 to come up with something more coherent ok?)
Sorry to interrupt your rather interesting catfight - but
OS X has more home users than Linux
Good way to pull statistics out of your ass...
Not that I have anything against OS X or anything, but I don't see myself converting to a $2000 computer (or more, depending how many toy^H^H^Hfeatures you desire) with a closed source (Its OSS kernel doesn't constitute the entire OS, just the executive) ~$100 OS where each upgrade costs another $100. By all means - if you have the finances go for it. I don't - and likely never will. I think I'll stick to my $500 AthlonXP + Slackware9.1 for now. And in a couple of years - Ill switch to an $500 Athlon64 + SlackwareX.X.
Thank you, oh wise Anonymous Coward, for sharing your wisdom. What could the world do without it...
No - its an opinion, Mr. Anonymous Coward whose too afraid to put a name behind his opinion
Damn, I love Slashdot. Every time someone disagrees with your opinion, they go on a moderation crusade. Troll Troll Troll... Overrated Overrated Overrated...
Sheesh... grow a fucking dick.
*cough* If that is culture...
a) The hardware doesn't match. Geez guys - you could have at least used the same goddamn type of video card.
..... eh nevermind ... judging by the stupid mistakes these imbeciles made - math beyond counting Mhz, Gigabytes, framerates and Fahrenheits might be a tad beyond them.
b) The software doesn't match. Why on EARTH didn't you use Linux on both machines? The software isn't matched at all. Windows XP (WinNT) kernel is a VMS derivative with some mach code stuffed it. OS X kernel is a mach + BSD server + Iokit system. Next time you do an "analysis" why don't you boot the opteron with MS-DOG 6.22 and the G5 in Mac OS 4... ok? Stupid...
c) UT2003 amd Q3A aren't CPU benchmarks. They'r GPU benchmarks and the 9800XT won - good work guys...
d) Math is pretty CPU intensive. Maybe you shoud
They are - please read the website links you post nextime. Ok? Thnx...
Not sure what.. you are... talking about... But VALVe patched the servers to not recognise Wine/WineX as a hack - lol. I think there was a patch for WIne floating around before as well... meh.
Frankly, people who are having a love affair with Mr. Balmer's micro-company need to go back into their closets and shut up.
This is Slashdot. Here we cater to a UNIXish majority - as well as a fanatic Apple minority (lol just kidding).
Don't like it? Don't post - its still a free country. Don't like your Microsoft-worshipping posts getting modded -999? Tough - you were asking for it.
Applied the minion.de patch again, installed, rebooted - all works... +10 fps increase in UT2003 oh yeah
Yep - i tried the minion.de patches. See my "minion.de patches" post - it loaded fine, but OpenGL rendering was EXTREMELY UNSUSABLY glitchy and slow.
:-(
*cough*
Well - I've gotten CS 1.3 and CS 1.4 (note - not CS 1.5, gah) to successfuly run under Wine (which was whatever the latest CVS was two summers ago). I compiled WINE with the OpenGL wrapper and the results weren't bad - it was playable. Not as fast as under windows (50 fps instead of 70 - and yeah, I dual-booted then - mostly cause of CS) - but pretty good. The cheat protection tho saw Wine's opengl.dll as a cheat - so I had to play on unprotected servers.
This entire summer I played Day of Defeat 1.0 on top of HalfLife under Wine (whatever the latest CVS was, lol). HL acted more buggy. I couldn't use the VGUI without a crash - so I had to run HL with the servername on the commandline. Its alright if yu use XQF or some online server browser. The really cool thing was that the Wine folks fixed the whole "wine's opengl.dll cheats" bug - so I could play on real servers.
However, I had no luck at all with Steam under wine. I'll probably go back to it sometime - see if it works - and if it doesn't , attempt to implement the numerous unimplemented functions it needed.
The patches on www.minion.de allow the latest NVIDIA driver to compile/run under 2.6 - as well as fix the crash with VIA-chipsets.
The patches against the NVIDIA driver at www.minion.de allowed the driver to successfully load on kernel 2.4.22 on my VIA kt266a-based motherboard with FX5200-based video. (That is - without the Ooops crashes descirbed in my previous post)
X11 starts normally. 2D graphics seems same.
However...
Glxgears has horribly mutilated graphics. The shapes aren't filled in, its all blinking/flashing and there is a lot of extraneous junk/shapes randomly appearing and disappearing really fast. Its slow too at that - 400fps. I tried ut2k3 - same story - horribly slow and mutilated graphics. it says that AGP was working. Checked dmesg again - no errors.
Sigh - just not a very good driver, I'spose.
When X11 starts the drivers Oops, and default to ForceSW so no hw-accel.
Dmesg gives-
Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000010
printing eip:
c024b6cf
*pde = 00000000
Oops: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[<c024b6cf>] Tainted: P
EFLAGS: 00013046
eax: 00000087 ebx: 00003246 ecx: 00000048 edx: 00000000
esi: 00000000 edi: dffe3000 ebp: dad75738 esp: dad75708
ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018
Process X (pid: 246, stackpage=dad75000)
Stack: dad96400 dad75764 c01105ac dad96000 00003099 e0d9eca6 00000000 00000048
dad75734 e0dadd1e dbc90800 00000000 dad75748 e0db88cd 00000000 00000048
dad75774 e0db0ee6 dad96000 00000000 00000048 00000080 d9e60000 dad96400
Call Trace: [<c01105ac>] [<e0d9eca6>] [<e0dadd1e>] [<e0db88cd>] [<e0db0ee6>]
[<e0db47b7>] [<e0db6170>] [<e0f51080>] [<e0dbcc1e>] [<e0d9da58>] [<e0f51080>]
[<e0f38b9d>] [<e0f7a5a0>] [<e0f51080>] [<e0f7a5a0>] [<e0f51080>] [<e0dba65c>]
[<e0f51080>] [<e0f7a60c>] [<e0f7a630>] [<e0f7a648>] [<e0f51080>] [<e0dbd809>]
[<e0f51080>] [<e0f51080>] [<e0e489d2>] [<e0f2bd01>] [<e0dd55f7>] [<e0dadd1e>]
[<e0db8818>] [<e0f28151>] [<e0dba1db>] [<e0f28151>] [<e0f28151>] [<e0dba22c>]
[<e0f52700>] [<e0e842db>] [<e0dd0ed8>] [<e0dde76d>] [<e0e842db>] [<e0e84ac1>]
[<e0dae41a>] [<e0d9f95b>] [<e0d9f830>] [<e0dae5a5>] [<e0db9d82>] [<e0f51080>]
[<e0e4b627>] [<e0e8473f>] [<e0d9f195>] [<e0e842db>] [<e0e84ac1>] [<e0e842db>]
[<e0e84ac1>] [<e0ecd0d4>] [<e0e7d552>] [<e0e66833>] [<e0db9d82>] [<e0f51080>]
[<e0e68481>] [<e0e96fc5>] [<e0dbe389>] [<e0e68345>] [<e0dc1102>] [<e0db9d82>]
[<e0f51080>] [<e0dac53b>] [<e0e68bc4>] [<e0e68abb>] [<e0f51080>] [<e0d9dbc5>]
[<e0f38c06>] [<e0dbcbf1>] [<e0f51080>] [<e0d9c8a2>] [<e0f51080>] [<c0114854>]
[<c013c590>] [<c013c7d5>] [<e0d9c61b>] [<c014a0cc>] [<c0108e7f>]
Code: 8b 46 10 8b 50 30 89 34 24 89 4c 24 04 8b 44 24 20 89 44 24
Ksymoops gives-
>>EIP; c02dc0c1 <pci_read_config_dword+41/80> <=====
>>ebx; c3fbe000 <_end+3c02138/20530198>
>>ebp; c3fbf760 <_end+3c03898/20530198>
>>esp; c3fbf72c <_end+3c03864/20530198>
Trace; c01aedfc <pci_conf1_read_config_dword+4c/50>
Trace; e08f8739 <[nvidia]os_pci_read_dword+20/27>
Trace; e090784e <[nvidia]_nv001370rm+2e/cc>
Trace; e09123fd <[nvidia]_nv001241rm+11/18>
Trace; e090aa16 <[nvidia]_nv000171rm+22a/268>
Trace; e0aaab60 <[nvidia]nv_linux_devices+0/580>
Trace; e090e2e7 <[nvidia]_nv001749rm+167/50c>
Trace; e0aaab60 <[nvidia]nv_linux_devices+0/580>
Trace; e0916776 <[nvidia]rm_update_agp_config+e/14>
Trace; e08f7495 <[nvidia]nv_agp_init+78/fb>
Trace; e0aaab60 <[nvidia]nv_linux_devices+0/580>
Trace; e0ad410c <[nvidia].data.end+275/31c9>
Trace; e0ad4130 <[nvidia].data.end+299/31c9>
Trace; e0ad4148 <[nvidia].data.end+2b1/31c9>
Trace; e0ad40a0 <[nvidia].data.end+209/31c9>
Trace; e0aaab60 <[nvidia]nv_linux_devices+0/580>
Trace; e0ad40a0 <[nvidia].data.end+209/31c9>
Trace; e0aaab60 <[nvidia]nv_linux_devices+0/580>
Trace; e091418c <[nvidia]_nv001274rm+7c/b8>
Trace; e0aaab60 <[nvidia]nv_linux_devices+0/580>
Trace; e0ad410c <[nvidia].data.end+275/31c9>
Trace; e0ad4130 <[nvidia].data.end+299/31c9>
Trace; e0ad4148 <[nvidia].data.end+2b1/31c9>
Trace; e0aaab60 <[nvidia]nv_linux_devices+0/580>
Trace; e0917339 <[nvidia]_nv0008
Of course, I was concentrating on the now-defunct Dos+Windows 3.1+Win32 Chimaera.
WinNT however, was based of VMS (hell most of the initial programmers in the late 80s were VMS people) - but then again, judging the obscurity of internal kernel API et al, whats there to copy?
Besides - who wants the INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE Process Creation from VMS-derived systems such as VMS and WNT in Linux?
You want a WNT-derived GPL OS? (That has the same kernel API, and are implementing win32 et al - good enough to run windows apps as well as use windows drivers)
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