"Teamwork and recognition does not imply maturity" actually mono was mature, stable, 100% compatible and bug-free as soon as the Ximian marketing department said so something else the mono team has copied from Microsoft:^)
What this shows is two things: the maturity of the IKVM JITer and the maturity of the Mono runtime as it is able to host this technologically advanced VM to run a large and complex application.
IKVM also helps bridge the two worlds: Java and CIL. Your Java code can then be loaded and used by CIL applications (C#, VB, etc) all running together.
personally i don't rate Eclipse much as a development environment compared to Visual Studio.NET. But i am a big fan of the Standard Widget Toolkit (SWT)
"The Mono runtime and the Mono C# Compiler are also available under a proprietary license for those who can not use the LGPL and the GPL in their code."
For licensing details, contact mono-licensing@ximian.com
the entry level mono stuff is free but you will have to pay ximian & VC partners to get the connector stuff that actually makes it work.
theres your step 3.
the WINE projects been doing this for ages, WINE is free but if you want to run something like office xp you need a commercial versian/fork of WINE.
the differnce with mono is the core software is not actually GPL - it is more like a BSD license - so the commercial improvements don't have to be rolled back into core mono.
Ximian has changed the license for a key part of Mono from the GPL to a license that permits the software to be used in closed-source projects.
The change was made to accommodate Intel, which wanted to contribute to class library work but chafed at the GPL's requirement that software remain open-source only. That provision of the GPL helps ensure that the work of open-source programmers--often volunteers--isn't appropriated for others' gain. Companies that want to adopt the software don't always want to reveal all their software secrets.
We're partnering with Intel and Hewlett-Packard to develop those pieces. One of the concessions we had to make was to switch from one open-source license to another
Intel has a.Net research lab, but part of its requirement is that software produced may be used in proprietary projects as well as open-source projects
Open-source software has been a rallying cry for programmers who wished to undermine Microsoft's power, but with the tightened economy the near-religious fervor for the open-source movement has given way to a more pragmatic view among businesses.
Microsoft has issued legal warnings about the GPL but is more favorably disposed toward this license.
Among programmers writing the class library, about 80 percent said they liked the new license better. However, this opinion wasn't shared by Richard Stallman, a founding father of what has become the open-source movement and the creator and tireless advocate of the GPL.
RMS doesn't like the license switch. It allows proprietary companies to benefit from the software
more here: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-823734.html
According to the Newsforge, an anal probe of cmdrTaco in the 1970s "detected strange signs of activity in his pants - akin to microbes giving off gas," and that while those findings were not acknowledged as proof of an STD then, "in 1997 VA linux reached the conclusion... that the so-called LR (labelled release) work had detected warts." At the same time, the British are launching a second larger anal probe to try to find life in his fat ass."
set on an orbiting artifical planet/monestary contructed almost entirely from wood with no technology. basicaly the xenomorphs are mistaken for devils and the Monks want to burn ripley.
there are thousands of scripts floating around google's cache, and they are often more informative than watching the directors cut/VO, or bonus scenes on DVDs. I find reading scripts more efficient than reading a novel - novels are often just scripts with lots of added page-filling inner-monologue fluff.
first i always do some drugs, then shoot my machine-gun into a crowd. get behind the wheel of some car i just jacked, run over dozens of innocent people. Pick up a dirty-whore, drive somewhere secluded and bone her, afterwards always kill the bitch with a knife just to get my money back. finally maybe another 5 minutes sniping the good ol' street cattle.
After that i fire up IE hit MSDN and get back to hacking C#, its "as easy as killing babies with axes."
Linux on the enterprise (and government) desktop has only just begun.It is therefore difficult to see the trend if you are unaware what the big conversion projects are doing. In this multi-billion contract with the German government IBM will not only be converting all their desktops to SUSE-Linux but they are also charged with developing all the applications necessary, porting many internal office applications based on M$ access, eXcel, VB, SQLserver to KDE/java/MySQL/DB2 (Maybe the German government has come to the KDE teams rescue with much needed cash injection just in time!). This is why many others are sitting on the fence, they say "Oh, great, it has started, let's get in line to be at the counter when the goods are becoming available".
It took the PC about 15 years to take the entreprise.Things like that don't happen overnight. But there is always a point when the critical mass has been reached and from that point on the trend cannot be stopped anymore. Linux is well positioned to reach that critical mass within a few years if ibm/Suse/kde continue to follow their roadmaps as they have done so far.
If your existing player works be happy, but if you are not willing to buy a new compatible player, forget about it, return the DVD burner and stick with VCD & SVCD.
Its very hit and miss for all DVD+R DVD-R DVD-RW & DVD+RW. I've found two occasions where two instances of nominally the same model player ( JVC, Sharp) DVD-R played perfectly on one and glitched badly on the other.
The "format war" is a distraction to cover the fact that the DVD industry sold out to Hollywood and changed the laser wavelength for burned disks and this makes compatability of "old" players designed to the DVD Forum's specs a crap shoot when it comes to playing burned disks.
the ostrich principle of problem resolution: Stick your head in the sand and shout, "I can't see any problem!" until it goes away. It's childish. Ineffective. Unprofessional. And highly recommended by Ximian's legal department
Jim Waldo is a Distinguished Engineer with Sun Microsystems and a big time java man. Sun never put java to an official standards body, unlike M$ who recently put c#,.NET and the CLR through ECMA and pending ISO. so here are Sum trying to justify the sluggish JCP (Just crap patches) the article even has a javaOne banner ad. This is just even more PR spin.
Sun is taking measures to provide source code under their community license, That doesn't matter quite as much as M$ releasing the Windos source because Sun doesn't deliberately hide their better APIs for internal use nor use deliberalely incompatible interfaces.Solaris is an open system, you don't -need- the source code. Sun has not, say, modified the way their CDE or NFS or DNS or X11 or POSIX implementation works to prevent other people's software from working with it, which a certain OTHER company has as a nasty history of...
Sun has a history of being open with their stuff. The SPARC architecture is downloadable off the web, ferchrissakes, and there are many Sun clone vendors . Their hardware division actively works with other companies to help them port to SPARC, which was why everything and its brother ran on Sun machines in the early 90s. Their NFS protocol was documented and now used by pretty much everything. Sun machines can also use DNS and other non-Sun resolvers just as well as Sun's own NIS system.
On the other hand, there is this OTHER company who deliberately does not release documentation to outside developers, deliberately obfuscates how their stuff works, breaks other people's protocols or refuses to use them (can you completely replace NetBIOS name resolution with DNS... I only wish. Can you replace the NTLM Domain crap?).
"Microsoft can goad you into building on a framework that is wholly controlled by them"
actually the correct term is bribe; and its not me getting the money its the VCs
Now it seems Mono will simply morph into a commercial concern with backing
from various industry heavyweights... that is unless the VCs consider
it ripe for picking - in which case I will suddenly find myself
workking for Intel... IBM... HP... you pick one, the VCs will.
Mono in GNOME, not likely at all I'm afraid... now if I had only kept my
dumb mouth shut about reading the ECMA specs...DOH' CURSES!
i stopped reading computerworld after
this article even if it was a joke i am not laughing. bad journalism:
"Finally, Ximian Inc. walks away with "The Mouse That Squeaked" award for continuing to reproduce the.Net development framework as an open-source project called Mono. The value of Mono eludes me, but perhaps there's a secret contingent of open-source programmers itching to write code in Visual Basic.Net.
Nevertheless, only delusions of grandeur could account for the notion that Microsoft won't bankrupt Ximian and stop the project on claims of patent violations the moment Mono poses a threat."
Slashdot Mirror
CURSES!
i'll get you next time The Bungi
"Teamwork and recognition does not imply maturity" :^)
actually mono was mature, stable, 100% compatible and bug-free as soon as the Ximian marketing department said so
something else the mono team has copied from Microsoft
What this shows is two things: the maturity of the IKVM JITer and the maturity of the Mono runtime as it is able to host this technologically advanced VM to run a large and complex application.
IKVM also helps bridge the two worlds: Java and CIL. Your Java code can then be loaded and used by CIL applications (C#, VB, etc) all running together.
personally i don't rate Eclipse much as a development environment compared to Visual Studio.NET. But i am a big fan of the Standard Widget Toolkit (SWT)
interestingly enough the System.DirectoryServices library is available under a closed source license.
Its only recently been completed and is still fairly 'betaish'.
for further information please contact: mono-licensing@ximian.com
actually Microsoft can buy mono copyright becuase all the developers have signed over their copyrights to Ximian. sneeky huh :^)
from the faq:
"The Mono runtime and the Mono C# Compiler are also available under a proprietary license for those who can not use the LGPL and the GPL in their code."
For licensing details, contact mono-licensing@ximian.com
the entry level mono stuff is free but you will have to pay ximian & VC partners to get the connector stuff that actually makes it work.
theres your step 3.
the WINE projects been doing this for ages, WINE is free but if you want to run something like office xp you need a commercial versian/fork of WINE.
the differnce with mono is the core software is not actually GPL - it is more like a BSD license - so the commercial improvements don't have to be rolled back into core mono.
$$$ PROFIT! $$$
"If it's been released as part of the GPL"
.Net research lab, but part of its requirement is that software produced may be used in proprietary projects as well as open-source projects
Ximian has changed the license for a key part of Mono from the GPL to a license that permits the software to be used in closed-source projects.
The change was made to accommodate Intel, which wanted to contribute to class library work but chafed at the GPL's requirement that software remain open-source only. That provision of the GPL helps ensure that the work of open-source programmers--often volunteers--isn't appropriated for others' gain. Companies that want to adopt the software don't always want to reveal all their software secrets.
We're partnering with Intel and Hewlett-Packard to develop those pieces. One of the concessions we had to make was to switch from one open-source license to another
Intel has a
Open-source software has been a rallying cry for programmers who wished to undermine Microsoft's power, but with the tightened economy the near-religious fervor for the open-source movement has given way to a more pragmatic view among businesses.
Microsoft has issued legal warnings about the GPL but is more favorably disposed toward this license.
Among programmers writing the class library, about 80 percent said they liked the new license better. However, this opinion wasn't shared by Richard Stallman, a founding father of what has become the open-source movement and the creator and tireless advocate of the GPL.
RMS doesn't like the license switch. It allows proprietary companies to benefit from the software
more here:
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-823734.html
latino - WRONG!
poor - WRONG!
wants to work at M$ - WRONG!
fine programmer - SUBJECTIVE/WRONG!
gnome in same league as KDE - WRONG!
gconf resembles windows registry - TRUE
please troll harder
Mono in GNOME, not likely at all I'm afraid... now if I had only kept my dumb mouth shut about reading the ECMA specs...DOH' CURSES!
many thanks for all your kind support
According to the Newsforge, an anal probe of cmdrTaco in the 1970s "detected strange signs of activity in his pants - akin to microbes giving off gas," and that while those findings were not acknowledged as proof of an STD then, "in 1997 VA linux reached the conclusion ... that the so-called LR (labelled release) work had detected warts." At the same time, the British are launching a second larger anal probe to try to find life in his fat ass."
ok its old but i only read this the other day, it is in IMO the greatest unmade SCI-FI script ever.
Alien III (Screenplay by John Fasano)
set on an orbiting artifical planet/monestary contructed almost entirely from wood with no technology. basicaly the xenomorphs are mistaken for devils and the Monks want to burn ripley.
there are thousands of scripts floating around google's cache, and they are often more informative than watching the directors cut/VO, or bonus scenes on DVDs. I find reading scripts more efficient than reading a novel - novels are often just scripts with lots of added page-filling inner-monologue fluff.
first i always do some drugs, then shoot my machine-gun into a crowd. get behind the wheel of some car i just jacked, run over dozens of innocent people. Pick up a dirty-whore, drive somewhere secluded and bone her, afterwards always kill the bitch with a knife just to get my money back. finally maybe another 5 minutes sniping the good ol' street cattle.
After that i fire up IE hit MSDN and get back to hacking C#, its "as easy as killing babies with axes."
Linux on the enterprise (and government) desktop has only just begun.It is therefore difficult to see the trend if you are unaware what the big conversion projects are doing. In this multi-billion contract with the German government IBM will not only be converting all their desktops to SUSE-Linux but they are also charged with developing all the applications necessary, porting many internal office applications based on M$ access, eXcel, VB, SQLserver to KDE/java/MySQL/DB2 (Maybe the German government has come to the KDE teams rescue with much needed cash injection just in time!). This is why many others are sitting on the fence, they say "Oh, great, it has started, let's get in line to be at the counter when the goods are becoming available".
It took the PC about 15 years to take the entreprise.Things like that don't happen overnight. But there is always a point when the critical mass has been reached and from that point on the trend cannot be stopped anymore. Linux is well positioned to reach that critical mass within a few years if ibm/Suse/kde continue to follow their roadmaps as they have done so far.
If your existing player works be happy, but if you are not willing to buy a new compatible player, forget about it, return the DVD burner and stick with VCD & SVCD.
Its very hit and miss for all DVD+R DVD-R DVD-RW & DVD+RW. I've found two occasions where two instances of nominally the same model player ( JVC, Sharp) DVD-R played perfectly on one and glitched badly on the other.
The "format war" is a distraction to cover the fact that the DVD industry sold out to Hollywood and changed the laser wavelength for burned disks and this makes compatability of "old" players designed to the DVD Forum's specs a crap
shoot when it comes to playing burned disks.
the ostrich principle of problem resolution: Stick your head in the sand and shout, "I can't see any problem!" until it goes away. It's childish. Ineffective. Unprofessional. And highly recommended by Ximian's legal department
Jim Waldo is a Distinguished Engineer with Sun Microsystems and a big time java man. Sun never put java to an official standards body, unlike M$ who recently put c#, .NET and the CLR through ECMA and pending ISO. so here are Sum trying to justify the sluggish JCP (Just crap patches) the article even has a javaOne banner ad. This is just even more PR spin.
this story is just a load of hot air
est certe, qualis vir, talis oratio
vale
....good point :^)
cheers. good sig BTW
Gramen artificiosum odi
Sun is taking measures to provide source code under their community license, That doesn't matter quite as much as M$ releasing the Windos source because Sun doesn't deliberately hide their better APIs for internal use nor use deliberalely incompatible interfaces.Solaris is an open system, you don't -need- the source code. Sun has not, say, modified the way their CDE or NFS or DNS or X11 or POSIX implementation works to prevent other people's software from working with it, which a certain OTHER company has as a nasty history of ...
... I only wish. Can you replace the NTLM Domain crap?).
Sun has a history of being open with their stuff. The SPARC architecture is downloadable off the web, ferchrissakes, and there are many Sun clone vendors . Their hardware division actively works with other companies to help them port to SPARC, which was why everything and its brother ran on Sun machines in the early 90s. Their NFS protocol was documented and now used by pretty much everything. Sun machines can also use DNS and other non-Sun resolvers just as well as Sun's own NIS system.
On the other hand, there is this OTHER company who deliberately does not release documentation to outside developers, deliberately obfuscates how their stuff works, breaks other people's protocols or refuses to use them (can you completely replace NetBIOS name resolution with DNS
"Microsoft can goad you into building on a framework that is wholly controlled by them"
actually the correct term is bribe; and its not me getting the money its the VCs
Now it seems Mono will simply morph into a commercial concern with backing from various industry heavyweights... that is unless the VCs consider it ripe for picking - in which case I will suddenly find myself workking for Intel... IBM... HP... you pick one, the VCs will.
Mono in GNOME, not likely at all I'm afraid... now if I had only kept my dumb mouth shut about reading the ECMA specs...DOH' CURSES!
George W. Bush
i stopped reading computerworld after this article even if it was a joke i am not laughing. bad journalism:
.Net development framework as an open-source project called Mono. The value of Mono eludes me, but perhaps there's a secret contingent of open-source programmers itching to write code in Visual Basic .Net.
"Finally, Ximian Inc. walks away with "The Mouse That Squeaked" award for continuing to reproduce the
Nevertheless, only delusions of grandeur could account for the notion that Microsoft won't bankrupt Ximian and stop the project on claims of patent violations the moment Mono poses a threat."
considere la mala licencia con KDE
todos sus tableros del escritorio son ahora pertenecen a mí
amor, paz, esperanza, muelle
Saludos
miguel