Now Mr, I agree with you about unions. IT is being mistreated and we should organize. This offshoring stuff, training our own replacements, etc., has got to stop. Unions are the best way of doing this.
Similarily, corporations are the best way that humans have yet invented to do other things. Things like build physical computer products, like manufacturing, like distribution and marketing. Open Source is changing some of this, but for other parts, like manufacturing actual physical goods, a corporation is needed.
Now I don't know what this "it" you are referring to is, and how it can be "about" something, but the one thing I care about, more than anything else, is freedom. However, "The Lord Of The Rings" cost 300 million dollars to make and 10 years of work. Perhaps a massive collaborative process could have created that, but if so, it is a long way away.
I think the hugest problem with the massive social changes attempted in the past was the false understanding of the word "free". In all the literature I have read from that period, I have seen, again and again, confusion and misinterpretation of that one word. I saw talk about "free" food that was shoplifted, I saw talk about "free" peasants who were "freed" by the extreme poverty from the "scourge" of money, I saw talk about "free" speech, about "free" medical care, and endless discourse about how horrible money is.
I think one of the greatest ideas that we thank RMS for is his disambiguation of the word "Free". When he talks about "Free Software", he is talking about having certain legal rights related to the distribution and modification of software. The definition only concerns money where it could be used to limit the freedoms of Free Software.
Frankly, money and freedom are related, though not the way you seem to think. Freedom breeds money. The more freedom, the more money. The less freedom, the less money.
This is why we see starving peasants in north korea and why we see the "poor" in america, who own houses with running water and washing machines and electricity and T.V.s. And they have just as many legal rights as I do.
As for the "trivial" matter of copying music, that is most certainly not resolved.
And as for having a certain "opressed" clsss of people rise up and change society for the better evermore, I am talking about the bolsheviks, who kicked off 70 years of brutal oppression, about the people in mao's long march who ended up worse off than before, and to the intellectuals in the who-knows-how-many french revolutions.
Unions get working conditions and labor laws changed. You guys did NOT get rid of the draft, which is why we have it now.
Don't knock killing ability. The ability to kill quickly and effeciently is what separates Humans from animals.
If I had to tell an Extra-Terrestrial the one thing that humans were best at, I would say "Well, we are fantastically good at killing each other. What did you say you were best at?"
And if it told me anything but that, I would be EXTREMELY suspicious. I mean, this thing crossed interstellar space and it is not the best killer it has ever met? I would find that hard to beleive.
And don't forget: the fact that we have survived this last 50-some years is due to restraint on the part of one or two or three countries.
In addition, I think we would actually have a chance if hostile aliens did come to earth. Humans are the best killers on earth above the level of cockroaches. And on earth, we humans have been locked in a death struggle for dominance with one another for all of our history. And the current winner is: The United States Of America.
The U.S. is on top of the food chain of history, and I am willing to both die, and kill others, to keep it there.
On a tangent, I think this is why humans are so fascinated by sharks. We are the top predator on earth. Sharks are the top in water. We could exterminate them if we wanted, but it engrosses us to see such a finely evolved klling machine, being ourselves the best on earth.
Mr., It causes me actual regret to inform you that your plan is bullshit. I know you beleive strongly in it, I know you think it would work. I think you mean well.
But what you have proposed, except for unionizing IT, is not only wrong, but it would not work.
A heavily industrialized society, like ours, is dependent on everyone to do their jobs. A first-world nation, like ours, depends not on some mysterious uber-class of workers, but on all of them. Or more properly, on a supermajority of the set of all workers showing up, on time, every day, to work. The massive strike of an entire profession, ignoring the impossiblity, would not have the desired effect. (eliminating the draft)
America would be severely harmed without IT. It would also be hurt without:
1. Bankers
2. Garbage men
3. Road construction workers
4. Postal workers
5. Agricultural workers
6. Supermarket workers
7. Factory workers
8. CEO's
9. To some degree, everyone.
People have been proposing revolutions and mass upsets like yours at least since Marx. I can think of no case where they acheived what they wanted.
You know, I read "Steal this Book". It really blew me away. Not the groovy little statements ("Stay away from all needle drugs. The only dope worth shooting is Richard Nixon"). Not the dubious bomb-making recipes. What surprised me was the moral bankruptcy of it.
You see, it blew me away that actually beleived this stuff. The few moral statements were mostly "The establishment like these people, so we hate them. The establishment hates these people, so we like them." The book supported cuba, loved the vietnamese, hated money, (but were not above using small amounts of it), hated "the establishment" but demanded legal rights, and essentially justified any and all actions by simply claiming that "the establishment" had done worse, so it was fine to cheat, vandalize, steal, and even murder.
Now obivously you didn't write that book, but what you advocate seems to stem from and refer to those same ideals from that same time frame.
Your idea that a massive strike and shutdown of the nation's infrastructure could somehow result in massive, unbreakable laws is a seductive fiction. I suggest you read somewhat about the early days of labor unions. (turn of the century)
A strike would work for getting better pay, and conditions. Trying to force the government into doing our bidding by holding a gun to its head will not work.
Incidentally, as voting citizens, we are the government.
Yeah, I agree here. It would only be a waste of money if they were second best. A first-rate army that can kick the ass of anyone else's in the world is worth every penny. Of course barring fraud, weapon systems that don't work, etc.
I think it is very, very important to be able to say (and act upon) "Our military is the best." We are number 1 and there is only 1 country out there that can say that. Being on top is worth a few billion dollars.
Although, our losses in Iraq, I hear, are influenced by the fact that these people have lots and lots of antitank weapons floating around. A good model for the U.S. to follow. I think an RPG in every closet would be good, anywhere.
Instead, lets bash Sun for not sufficiently acknowledging it's Linux roots in the JDS. (Something that the GPL does not require)
Now "acknowledging it's linux roots" is pretty vague, but here's what the GPL has to say on the subject:
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming
a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work
under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
a. You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you
changed the files and the date of any change.
b. You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part
contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a
whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
c. If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run, you must
cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the most ordinary
way, to print or display an announcement including an appropriate copyright
notice and a notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide
a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under these conditions,
and telling the user how to view a copy of this License. (Exception: if the
Program itself is interactive but does not normally print such an announcement,
your work based on the Program is not required to print an announcement.)
This is especially designed so that anyone using the software knows it is under the GPL. It sounds like you could use the JDS and never know about the GPL. While, like everyone else here, I Am Not A Lawyer, this seems to go against the letter and definitely the spirit of the GPL.
I would have to say that explosives are the most abused technology in all of history.
Actually, I'd say that explosives have been one of history's best used inventions. Ever driven on a highway? That bedrock didn't get up and walk out of the way. This is especially true if you have ever driven in the mountains. When you are driving on a road that was blasted and carved out of the side of a cliff, you really get an appreciation for modern engineering.
As for it's negative uses, explosives are lousy antipersonnel weapons. They are much better at blowing up bridges and factories (and cliffs) than people. Lots more people have been killed by starvation caused by misunderstanding of economics than by explosives. Even in WWII, the big people-killing raids were the firebombings. In the pacific, explosives were actually so useless against Japanese cities that we resorted to fire. The firebombing of Tokyo, I beleive, killed 100,000 people in one night.
Trolltech have simply decided that commercial parties need to pay them money to use it, while everyone else can use the GPL.
This is crap. The GPL explicitly allows charging for distribution. Unless by commercial you mean "Restrictive of users' freedom", in which case you are right.
Let's say you cruise over to the low-income part of the city and pick yourself up a $20 hooker. After you are gratified you dump her out and don't pay her. Did you just "steal a BJ" from her? No, you broke your agreement to pay her.
Ex-freaking-actly! Breaking an agreement that:
1. Was knowingly entered into on both sides (owner/mechanic, me/hooker)
2. Included services performed in expectation of payment (work on car, blowjob)
After the services in expectation of payment had been performed but before payment, is stealing.
Stealing is taking somebody from somebody without paying for it such that they do not have it anymore, cannot give or sell it to anyone else.
The owner of the car is stealing the mechanics time, in that the mechanic does not have it anymore, cannot give it to anyone else, and was not paid for it.
The john who uses a prostitute, then dumps her out, is stealing her time in that she does not have it anymore, cannot give it to anyone else, and was not paid for it.
What makes the Diebold case different is that this is not just some product, like a printer driver or a windowing toolkit. The product Diebold produces is:
Free elections in the United States Of America
Have you by any chance read the emails? They say things like "If voting could actually change anything, it would be illegal"
The emails are not engineers writing about some flaw or bug and how it needs to be fixed. They are talking about "Let's just ignore this bug" and generally taking just a "screw it" attitude. If I saw emails from, say, MS about longhorn, I would have the same attitude as you. It is a an internal communication, flaws have to be exposed. You can't expect everything said to be positive.
Diebold produces elections. What is inside the process of those elections is the very lifeblood of our society. What Diebolds attitude towards security and bug is a matter of overwhelmingly extreme public interest. If a computer crashes, that's bad.
If Diebold rigs elections (And they could!) then our entire system of government falls on its face.
I REFUSE to be a prisoner to my own computer. If I want to copy something, so help me god, I will do so. I will not have my activities censored by others.
My understanding was that these long civil cases don't generally involve juries, since you can't sit on for that long. IANAL, but most of the time these cases are decided by judges.
Actually, both SCO and IBM are both demanding jury trials in their claims. I don't know if that is something that is routinely denied in these kinds of cases, but it seems that there are indeed going to be jurors looking at these cases. This is good.
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this small, unprofitable corporation is trying to steal the work of thousands of people based on accusations."
This is exactly the kind of thing I was afraid of. This could hurt us, they will never approve a fair or no NDA, and this could hurt us and IBM enormously. The issue here is not whether or not there is unix code in linux. The issue is what that means.
SCO says it means "we own everyone else's work, too. So pay up."what it really means is that the code needs to be removed, no matter how preposterosly large SCO says it is. I have read IBM's counterclaim a few times and IBM, as I recall, does not deny that there is unix code in linux. It just says it didn't put any there.
Remember, SCO showed code to a few dozen people under that NDA. They believed that there was, indeed, unix code in linux. HOWEVER, that does not mean what SCO says it means. Just because some code happens to be there does not mean that we are subject to SCOs' illegal whim. They are still screwed for dozens of reasons, whether there is any unix code in there or not.
It does not matter how big the alleged copying is, the only legal thing for SCO to do was to send a message to linus, stating line for line what the code was, ask for it to be removed, and then possibly sue whoever put it there for damages. had they done that, their actions would have been unpopular, but not illegal.
Relax, everything SCO says is going into a file at IBM, to be used as evidence against them in court.
Dynixs' contract was very specific about derivative works. NUMA is not a "derivative work". How could it be? UNIX had nothing like it. In addition, Dynix did ALL their work in a cleanroom, then later used the stuff with UNIX, not as part of it. Also, I read IBM's counterclaim. If I was SCO, I would have shut my fat mouth.
using modern technology, a supercriminal, with money and time and brains, could engineer a crime where the only evidence is DNA, then get away with it based on contradictory evidence.
I think the only way to stop spam is to ban selling of email address lists. For any purpose. Except, of course for the protected solicitaions; charities, non-profits, etc. Spam on the client side is nearly impossible and a losing proposition to stop. If the selling of addresses is illegal, then companies cannot spam you. Of course this has some slight problems, like email scrapers, but that could come under simpler laws.
Yet another reason to prefer the MPAA over the RIAA. At least when the MPAA's profits go down, they try something new, like adding content to dvds and varying release dates. When I buy a dvd in a store, I don't feel like a complete sucker. WHen I looked at buying a CD, I felt like an ignorant "consumer". Yeah, pay $30 for 1 hour of content, 8 minutes of which I like. When I bought the extended version LOTR dvd, I got:
1. The theater cut movie + deleted scenes
2. 5, count'em 5, seperate audio commentary's
3. Something like 8 hours of additional "making of" video
4. around 2000 production photographs.
I got so much content in those dvds I have not even watched it all yet. Whereas with a CD, you are done in one hour, tops. The MPAA may be doing some unsavory things, but at least they are trying, without ripping me off or treating me like a criminal. I am boycotting CD's, but I still enjoy movies, and will pay money for the quality and experience.
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Now Mr, I agree with you about unions. IT is being mistreated and we should organize. This offshoring stuff, training our own replacements, etc., has got to stop. Unions are the best way of doing this.
Similarily, corporations are the best way that humans have yet invented to do other things. Things like build physical computer products, like manufacturing, like distribution and marketing. Open Source is changing some of this, but for other parts, like manufacturing actual physical goods, a corporation is needed.
Now I don't know what this "it" you are referring to is, and how it can be "about" something, but the one thing I care about, more than anything else, is freedom. However, "The Lord Of The Rings" cost 300 million dollars to make and 10 years of work. Perhaps a massive collaborative process could have created that, but if so, it is a long way away.
I think the hugest problem with the massive social changes attempted in the past was the false understanding of the word "free". In all the literature I have read from that period, I have seen, again and again, confusion and misinterpretation of that one word. I saw talk about "free" food that was shoplifted, I saw talk about "free" peasants who were "freed" by the extreme poverty from the "scourge" of money, I saw talk about "free" speech, about "free" medical care, and endless discourse about how horrible money is.
I think one of the greatest ideas that we thank RMS for is his disambiguation of the word "Free". When he talks about "Free Software", he is talking about having certain legal rights related to the distribution and modification of software. The definition only concerns money where it could be used to limit the freedoms of Free Software.
Frankly, money and freedom are related, though not the way you seem to think. Freedom breeds money. The more freedom, the more money. The less freedom, the less money.
This is why we see starving peasants in north korea and why we see the "poor" in america, who own houses with running water and washing machines and electricity and T.V.s. And they have just as many legal rights as I do.
As for the "trivial" matter of copying music, that is most certainly not resolved.
And as for having a certain "opressed" clsss of people rise up and change society for the better evermore, I am talking about the bolsheviks, who kicked off 70 years of brutal oppression, about the people in mao's long march who ended up worse off than before, and to the intellectuals in the who-knows-how-many french revolutions.
Unions get working conditions and labor laws changed. You guys did NOT get rid of the draft, which is why we have it now.
Don't knock killing ability. The ability to kill quickly and effeciently is what separates Humans from animals.
If I had to tell an Extra-Terrestrial the one thing that humans were best at, I would say "Well, we are fantastically good at killing each other. What did you say you were best at?"
And if it told me anything but that, I would be EXTREMELY suspicious. I mean, this thing crossed interstellar space and it is not the best killer it has ever met? I would find that hard to beleive.
And don't forget: the fact that we have survived this last 50-some years is due to restraint on the part of one or two or three countries.
In addition, I think we would actually have a chance if hostile aliens did come to earth. Humans are the best killers on earth above the level of cockroaches. And on earth, we humans have been locked in a death struggle for dominance with one another for all of our history. And the current winner is: The United States Of America.
The U.S. is on top of the food chain of history, and I am willing to both die, and kill others, to keep it there.
On a tangent, I think this is why humans are so fascinated by sharks. We are the top predator on earth. Sharks are the top in water. We could exterminate them if we wanted, but it engrosses us to see such a finely evolved klling machine, being ourselves the best on earth.
Mr., It causes me actual regret to inform you that your plan is bullshit. I know you beleive strongly in it, I know you think it would work. I think you mean well.
But what you have proposed, except for unionizing IT, is not only wrong, but it would not work.
A heavily industrialized society, like ours, is dependent on everyone to do their jobs. A first-world nation, like ours, depends not on some mysterious uber-class of workers, but on all of them. Or more properly, on a supermajority of the set of all workers showing up, on time, every day, to work. The massive strike of an entire profession, ignoring the impossiblity, would not have the desired effect. (eliminating the draft)
America would be severely harmed without IT. It would also be hurt without:
1. Bankers
2. Garbage men
3. Road construction workers
4. Postal workers
5. Agricultural workers
6. Supermarket workers
7. Factory workers
8. CEO's
9. To some degree, everyone.
People have been proposing revolutions and mass upsets like yours at least since Marx. I can think of no case where they acheived what they wanted.
You know, I read "Steal this Book". It really blew me away. Not the groovy little statements ("Stay away from all needle drugs. The only dope worth shooting is Richard Nixon"). Not the dubious bomb-making recipes. What surprised me was the moral bankruptcy of it.
You see, it blew me away that actually beleived this stuff. The few moral statements were mostly "The establishment like these people, so we hate them. The establishment hates these people, so we like them." The book supported cuba, loved the vietnamese, hated money, (but were not above using small amounts of it), hated "the establishment" but demanded legal rights, and essentially justified any and all actions by simply claiming that "the establishment" had done worse, so it was fine to cheat, vandalize, steal, and even murder.
Now obivously you didn't write that book, but what you advocate seems to stem from and refer to those same ideals from that same time frame.
Your idea that a massive strike and shutdown of the nation's infrastructure could somehow result in massive, unbreakable laws is a seductive fiction. I suggest you read somewhat about the early days of labor unions. (turn of the century)
A strike would work for getting better pay, and conditions. Trying to force the government into doing our bidding by holding a gun to its head will not work.
Incidentally, as voting citizens, we are the government.
I like you union idea. The rest of it is crap.
Yeah, I agree here. It would only be a waste of money if they were second best. A first-rate army that can kick the ass of anyone else's in the world is worth every penny. Of course barring fraud, weapon systems that don't work, etc.
I think it is very, very important to be able to say (and act upon) "Our military is the best." We are number 1 and there is only 1 country out there that can say that. Being on top is worth a few billion dollars.
Although, our losses in Iraq, I hear, are influenced by the fact that these people have lots and lots of antitank weapons floating around. A good model for the U.S. to follow. I think an RPG in every closet would be good, anywhere.
Now "acknowledging it's linux roots" is pretty vague, but here's what the GPL has to say on the subject:
This is especially designed so that anyone using the software knows it is under the GPL. It sounds like you could use the JDS and never know about the GPL. While, like everyone else here, I Am Not A Lawyer, this seems to go against the letter and definitely the spirit of the GPL.
Actually, I'd say that explosives have been one of history's best used inventions. Ever driven on a highway? That bedrock didn't get up and walk out of the way. This is especially true if you have ever driven in the mountains. When you are driving on a road that was blasted and carved out of the side of a cliff, you really get an appreciation for modern engineering.
As for it's negative uses, explosives are lousy antipersonnel weapons. They are much better at blowing up bridges and factories (and cliffs) than people. Lots more people have been killed by starvation caused by misunderstanding of economics than by explosives. Even in WWII, the big people-killing raids were the firebombings. In the pacific, explosives were actually so useless against Japanese cities that we resorted to fire. The firebombing of Tokyo, I beleive, killed 100,000 people in one night.
Trolltech have simply decided that commercial parties need to pay them money to use it, while everyone else can use the GPL.
This is crap. The GPL explicitly allows charging for distribution. Unless by commercial you mean "Restrictive of users' freedom", in which case you are right.
Let's say you cruise over to the low-income part of the city and pick yourself up a $20 hooker. After you are gratified you dump her out and don't pay her. Did you just "steal a BJ" from her? No, you broke your agreement to pay her.
Ex-freaking-actly! Breaking an agreement that:
1. Was knowingly entered into on both sides (owner/mechanic, me/hooker)
2. Included services performed in expectation of payment (work on car, blowjob)
After the services in expectation of payment had been performed but before payment, is stealing.
Stealing is taking somebody from somebody without paying for it such that they do not have it anymore, cannot give or sell it to anyone else.
The owner of the car is stealing the mechanics time, in that the mechanic does not have it anymore, cannot give it to anyone else, and was not paid for it.
The john who uses a prostitute, then dumps her out, is stealing her time in that she does not have it anymore, cannot give it to anyone else, and was not paid for it.
God bless you, Grammar nazi!
It is people like you who keep language clean for the rest of us who enjoy proper gammar.
1. You put your car in the mechanics workshop, retaining ownership.
2. The mechanic puts money into the car, in the form of paid labor, which you knew he was going to put into the car.
3. You come into the workshop at night and take back your car
You stole his time and labor. You did not "violate his right to collect the money you owe him" (whatever that means).
The difference between infingment and stealing is clear-cut. Anybody who says otherwise is:
1. Misinformed
or
2. Lying
What makes the Diebold case different is that this is not just some product, like a printer driver or a windowing toolkit. The product Diebold produces is:
Free elections in the United States Of America
Have you by any chance read the emails? They say things like "If voting could actually change anything, it would be illegal"
The emails are not engineers writing about some flaw or bug and how it needs to be fixed. They are talking about "Let's just ignore this bug" and generally taking just a "screw it" attitude. If I saw emails from, say, MS about longhorn, I would have the same attitude as you. It is a an internal communication, flaws have to be exposed. You can't expect everything said to be positive.
Diebold produces elections. What is inside the process of those elections is the very lifeblood of our society. What Diebolds attitude towards security and bug is a matter of overwhelmingly extreme public interest. If a computer crashes, that's bad.
If Diebold rigs elections (And they could!) then our entire system of government falls on its face.
Fuck DRM.
Fuck Intertrust.
Fuck Microsoft.
I REFUSE to be a prisoner to my own computer. If I want to copy something, so help me god, I will do so. I will not have my activities censored by others.
-Robert
This is the last straw.
I'm buying a gun.
Who's with me?
Possible replacement terms:
Master:Overlord, Strawboss, Whitey
Slave: CottonPicker, Underling, Nigger
Heck, I'll serve on the jury.
Boise:"Juror number 4, do you know anything at all about the matter at hand?"Me:"No, sir."
Me, later:I vote we award IBM all damages, and find that IBM is SCO's "daddy"
My understanding was that these long civil cases don't generally involve juries, since you can't sit on for that long. IANAL, but most of the time these cases are decided by judges.
Actually, both SCO and IBM are both demanding jury trials in their claims. I don't know if that is something that is routinely denied in these kinds of cases, but it seems that there are indeed going to be jurors looking at these cases. This is good.
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this small, unprofitable corporation is trying to steal the work of thousands of people based on accusations."
Mod parent up!
This is exactly the kind of thing I was afraid of. This could hurt us, they will never approve a fair or no NDA, and this could hurt us and IBM enormously. The issue here is not whether or not there is unix code in linux. The issue is what that means.
SCO says it means "we own everyone else's work, too. So pay up."what it really means is that the code needs to be removed, no matter how preposterosly large SCO says it is. I have read IBM's counterclaim a few times and IBM, as I recall, does not deny that there is unix code in linux. It just says it didn't put any there.
Remember, SCO showed code to a few dozen people under that NDA. They believed that there was, indeed, unix code in linux. HOWEVER, that does not mean what SCO says it means. Just because some code happens to be there does not mean that we are subject to SCOs' illegal whim. They are still screwed for dozens of reasons, whether there is any unix code in there or not.
It does not matter how big the alleged copying is, the only legal thing for SCO to do was to send a message to linus, stating line for line what the code was, ask for it to be removed, and then possibly sue whoever put it there for damages. had they done that, their actions would have been unpopular, but not illegal.
Relax, everything SCO says is going into a file at IBM, to be used as evidence against them in court.
I saw this link hours ago on FARK. Slashdot is getting behind.
Karma: Phantasmagorical
Did anyone else notice that the Q&A site was poorly formatted and ugly-colored?
"SCO purports to be a respecter of intellectual property- but in fact at this time is violating no less than four IBM patents" -IBM counterclaim
Dynixs' contract was very specific about derivative works. NUMA is not a "derivative work". How could it be? UNIX had nothing like it. In addition, Dynix did ALL their work in a cleanroom, then later used the stuff with UNIX, not as part of it. Also, I read IBM's counterclaim. If I was SCO, I would have shut my fat mouth.
using modern technology, a supercriminal, with money and time and brains, could engineer a crime where the only evidence is DNA, then get away with it based on contradictory evidence.
Does anybody else here see someone with two sets of dna becoming a supercriminal? I know I would.
I think the only way to stop spam is to ban selling of email address lists. For any purpose. Except, of course for the protected solicitaions; charities, non-profits, etc. Spam on the client side is nearly impossible and a losing proposition to stop. If the selling of addresses is illegal, then companies cannot spam you. Of course this has some slight problems, like email scrapers, but that could come under simpler laws.
Die, SCO, DIE!
Yet another reason to prefer the MPAA over the RIAA. At least when the MPAA's profits go down, they try something new, like adding content to dvds and varying release dates. When I buy a dvd in a store, I don't feel like a complete sucker. WHen I looked at buying a CD, I felt like an ignorant "consumer". Yeah, pay $30 for 1 hour of content, 8 minutes of which I like. When I bought the extended version LOTR dvd, I got:
1. The theater cut movie + deleted scenes
2. 5, count'em 5, seperate audio commentary's
3. Something like 8 hours of additional "making of" video
4. around 2000 production photographs.
I got so much content in those dvds I have not even watched it all yet. Whereas with a CD, you are done in one hour, tops.
The MPAA may be doing some unsavory things, but at least they are trying, without ripping me off or treating me like a criminal. I am boycotting CD's, but I still enjoy movies, and will pay money for the quality and experience.
"$DarlMcbride"==false