But here is what you do not understand. The new products (thunderbird, firebird, ect) are gaining momentum quickly.
I have been using ThunderBird for email for quite a while now, and recommended to everyone. I even got my father to switch. The new suite is absolutly incredable. Quicker then the bloated netscape code, smaller, easier to use. This is what will keep the Mozilla Foundation alive, and im sure they know it too.
Besides when has market share had anything to do with if a OSS project stays alive?
See the thing about DoS attacks is that they are normally (at least now-a-days) DDoS. Distrubuted Denial of Service.
Attempting to find who is launching these attacks (its not right that the media assumes its the spammers) is VERY VERY unlikley.
The only thing you can really do is filter the attack. You cant really block 1000's of different legitamite, even if they are comprimised, from your services.
Unless you can find the IRC Bot, which 99.9% of these attacks are controlled from, you cant determine who started the DDoS. Even if you find a IRC hostname, chances are its BNC'd anyway, and what good would that do you.
Yes it might be illegal, but the internet is still very much like the wild wild west, sherrifs have no control and there are too many wide open spaces to hide.
That brings them under the purview of the proposed rule, which includes computer networks as "substitute communications systems" -- subject to a 9.17 percent state tax, plus local option taxes
Oh god. If they extend this to Lan Parties (undoubtly everyone at LAN Parties uses a network as "substitute communications systems") it would be almost as bad as that FAT PEOPLE TAX they want to pass up here in NY.
What I dont understand is how they are attempting to tax a network that is inside the building. They dont tax phone systems down there do they?
Does that mean there will be no tax on LAN Equipments? Switches and such because they are now being taxed under this law? Are the SysAdmins involved, If you work as a Sysadmin you know that your just a living part of your network, I cant be the only one that is attached to mine 24/7.
Too many questions, not enough answers.
Besides, Florida has alot of older people when it comes time to vote on the issue how many seniors really know what a LAN is? They barley know what a car is (let alone know how to drive it!!!)
Pronunciation: 'kla-sik'
Function: adjective
Meaning : historically memorable
Things die all the time, people, cars, pets, plants, It comes a time for games to die too.
There will always be remakes and such but if things didnt die you and your grandchildren would have nothing to talk about, you would have no stories for him/her because nothing is change. Change is evolution, evolution is a mail client, embrace it, embrace the change.
There are some United Forces (UN) but they really arent a major say in what goes on (US war on "Terrorists").
If governments have thier say, they will think what they choose to write is the right way. Governments of different nations dont always agree (AKA WAR).
Whats to stop the US government to hire more professional coders to get more of what they want to see in OSS
Yes OSS has the branches and someone has the overall say in what makes it in and what does not but when was the last time you heard someone disagreeing with the government and not getting some sort of herassment for it (raisethefist.com) ?
Do you really want to add that much more politics into OSS? Do you really want to wait for the government to finish coding something that you need to use (we all know how governement deadlines work!!!) ?
Just my.02
Being a member of the secuirty scene (not a very skilled memeber but im tryin!;) ) The standard way would be to email the vendor. If you want to do it anonomously pm me and I can set you up a POP3 account;)
Briefly state the issues, and the holes, how the exploit works, and inform them that if no repsonse is made you will foward the exploit and the security brief to the proper mailling lists.
It is law in California now that any security breach must be made public so just remind them of that.
Normally they will repsond asking for futher details, foward them your proof-of-concept and again warn them if corrective measures are not made you will announce it publicly. It should result in a patch, in which case make your findings public with information on how to patch or where to obtain the patch for the software.
If all communications fails there is the [FULL-DISCLOSER] and the [INCIDENTS] mailing lists. Again if you are worried about your school and/or IP laws the best thing would be to spoof an email to the lists (if it comes down to that) or use a Email account that your name IS NOT attached to. Most companies will thank you for informing them before going public, and It is the right thing to do =)
Also try digging thru your AUP and TOS for the network at school, in there it may state some legalities about breaking into to systems, hacking, sniffing, ect.
If all else fails, forward your finding to a trusted source, and have them take the actions required. Remember you are not required by any law to make your findings public, so if you really feel uneasy just forget about the whole thing.
Honestly, and flame me if you will (/. comments have always been themed with "down with microsoft") but this sort of stuff is what my boss looks at. And his boss looks at. But here is my take.
"Will highlight Microsoft's advantages in areas such as security, feature-completeness and total cost of ownership."
Secuirty
No OS (Linux, Unix, BSD, Windows, ect) is secure by default. There are always exploits and holes. Yes MS has a bigger % of security incidents then other OS's because its used more. There are other reasons but take into the consideration that the more people that use software, the more bugs and holes will be found. Im not saying Microsoft is anywhere near secure out of the box as *nix is (because that would ludicrios) but they DO fix thier holes, which is really want counts isnt it?
Feature-completeness
Many of us think about MS OFfice, and Windows to be overloaded with features that we will never use. There is alot of junk there, but at some point someone had asked for that junk. I could see MS giving themselves a pretty high rating for this.
TCO
How easy is it to install and configure a MS server, how many more people are trained to do it? How many more MCSE's are there than Red Hat Certified people? I have seen them use this tatic before; The OS may be free, but whats it costing you to keep a person that is Linux qualified versus the people you already have that are MS qualified.
The whitepaper's that come out of this may be enough for my boss (or his boss) to stick with his windows 2000 running cold fusion when I am just starting to warm his feet in the linux world.
Bash MS all you want but they DO have a way of looking good in the executives eyes. Not to mention there is no centeral place to get TCO information on Linux. Yes, you can go to RedHat.com or any of the other distros and get thier TCO report but all of thier numbers are different. This makes it confusing for bosses everywhere, Microsoft.com is trusted to them, they will see Microsoft.com as the numbers that are most likley true, then where will linux be?
I have run quite a few events myself. Some friday -> sunday justlike the one you are planning. Some things i found absoultly necessary. 1.) Registration System (with prepay)
You always need to know how many people are coming, keeping track of who payed you and who has not. One of my first events, I didnt have a prepay system and all though 55 registered, only the 8 that prepayed showed up. I ate around 600$ on that party;(
2.) Places to sleep
Its custom for me to rope off a corner of the room for people who cant afford the hotel rooms. They bring their own sleeping bags, and they sleep in the corner!
3.) Check in/Check out... NO GUESTS!
This is a tough rule to enforce, but I found it easier to document what a person has brought in (in terms of equipment) and not to allow guests. It just makes the theft go away. If you dont know who brought what in, you dont know if they should be walking out with that nifty 19inch flat screen you just bought!
4.) Name tags.
You want people to know each other, they have a good time and come back for more. My best system is a php script that handles the registration, pre-paying, and the formating (for printing) of the person's name and of thier handle. Its always feel good to run into someone at the drink stand (another needed thing, a place to snack, grab a dew, or just take a break from gaming) with the handle of the guy you just moped up in a game.
4.) Supplies.
Never have enought toliet paper, paper towels, paper cups. Honestly, sometimes the hotell staff isnt perfect and dont keep up with the bathrooms, i mean after all if you got 100 people, and they each drink 15 dews an hour, thats alot of batroomin!
5.) Snacks, Bevs.
I normally include a 12 pack per day (dew;) ) in the price of registration. I normally have chips and stuff for people to snack on between meals, and I found that offering meals isnt always the best but If i put up a survey on the registration page i can figure out really what i need to do for meals. Somepeople prefer Burger king and stuff, others expect you to order pizza. Count on.5 large pies per person, per meal. If you scope out a pizzaria before hand you could probably get them to work out a deal, 4$-5$ a pie if you pick it up aint bad.
6.) Staff, Always Available
Someone needs to always be there to greet people, help people get setup, or just be there when the servers break (it will happen, it always does.) For 100 people, of team of 5 normally works well.
I think thats about all i can think of right now, but if you want to email me I can try and help ya out as much as possible;)
While Powell said he values public input on the rules, it ultimately will be of little help in crafting ownership laws that stand up in court.
"You don't govern just by polls and surveys," he said. "We have to exercise difficult judgments and abide by the law. If all of our rulemaking was just a case of put them out and take a referendum, things would be a lot easier."
- From the Washington Post Article...
Isnt that the point of a Democratic Government? We the People, For the People, By The People?
Or am I on crack, and thats not the way It it supposed to work!
I agree. I do not see how this can possibly affect software, it interfaces with the hardware but does not connect to any sort of PC's. I worked at OfficeMAX and if they did something like this there would be alot less complete $hit brands there.
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But here is what you do not understand. The new products (thunderbird, firebird, ect) are gaining momentum quickly.
I have been using ThunderBird for email for quite a while now, and recommended to everyone. I even got my father to switch. The new suite is absolutly incredable. Quicker then the bloated netscape code, smaller, easier to use. This is what will keep the Mozilla Foundation alive, and im sure they know it too.
Besides when has market share had anything to do with if a OSS project stays alive?
See the thing about DoS attacks is that they are normally (at least now-a-days) DDoS. Distrubuted Denial of Service.
Attempting to find who is launching these attacks (its not right that the media assumes its the spammers) is VERY VERY unlikley.
The only thing you can really do is filter the attack. You cant really block 1000's of different legitamite, even if they are comprimised, from your services.
Unless you can find the IRC Bot, which 99.9% of these attacks are controlled from, you cant determine who started the DDoS. Even if you find a IRC hostname, chances are its BNC'd anyway, and what good would that do you.
Yes it might be illegal, but the internet is still very much like the wild wild west, sherrifs have no control and there are too many wide open spaces to hide.
That brings them under the purview of the proposed rule, which includes computer networks as "substitute communications systems" -- subject to a 9.17 percent state tax, plus local option taxes
Oh god. If they extend this to Lan Parties (undoubtly everyone at LAN Parties uses a network as "substitute communications systems") it would be almost as bad as that FAT PEOPLE TAX they want to pass up here in NY.
What I dont understand is how they are attempting to tax a network that is inside the building.
They dont tax phone systems down there do they?
Does that mean there will be no tax on LAN Equipments? Switches and such because they are now being taxed under this law? Are the SysAdmins involved, If you work as a Sysadmin you know that your just a living part of your network, I cant be the only one that is attached to mine 24/7.
Too many questions, not enough answers.
Besides, Florida has alot of older people when it comes time to vote on the issue how many seniors really know what a LAN is? They barley know what a car is (let alone know how to drive it!!!)
Classic Movies, Classic Cars, Classic this, Classic That.
Pronunciation: 'kla-sik'
Function: adjective
Meaning : historically memorable
Things die all the time, people, cars, pets, plants, It comes a time for games to die too.
There will always be remakes and such but if things didnt die you and your grandchildren would have nothing to talk about, you would have no stories for him/her because nothing is change. Change is evolution, evolution is a mail client, embrace it, embrace the change.
Besides could you imagine tron on a ATI 9700 Pro?
Police Forces are national.
.02
There are some United Forces (UN) but they really arent a major say in what goes on (US war on "Terrorists").
If governments have thier say, they will think what they choose to write is the right way. Governments of different nations dont always agree (AKA WAR).
Whats to stop the US government to hire more professional coders to get more of what they want to see in OSS
Yes OSS has the branches and someone has the overall say in what makes it in and what does not but when was the last time you heard someone disagreeing with the government and not getting some sort of herassment for it (raisethefist.com) ?
Do you really want to add that much more politics into OSS?
Do you really want to wait for the government to finish coding something that you need to use (we all know how governement deadlines work!!!) ?
Just my
Comments like that make me think you work for Microsof
Being a member of the secuirty scene (not a very skilled memeber but im tryin! ;) ) The standard way would be to email the vendor. If you want to do it anonomously pm me and I can set you up a POP3 account ;)
Briefly state the issues, and the holes, how the exploit works, and inform them that if no repsonse is made you will foward the exploit and the security brief to the proper mailling lists.
It is law in California now that any security breach must be made public so just remind them of that.
Normally they will repsond asking for futher details, foward them your proof-of-concept and again warn them if corrective measures are not made you will announce it publicly. It should result in a patch, in which case make your findings public with information on how to patch or where to obtain the patch for the software.
If all communications fails there is the [FULL-DISCLOSER] and the [INCIDENTS] mailing lists. Again if you are worried about your school and/or IP laws the best thing would be to spoof an email to the lists (if it comes down to that) or use a Email account that your name IS NOT attached to. Most companies will thank you for informing them before going public, and It is the right thing to do =)
Also try digging thru your AUP and TOS for the network at school, in there it may state some legalities about breaking into to systems, hacking, sniffing, ect.
If all else fails, forward your finding to a trusted source, and have them take the actions required. Remember you are not required by any law to make your findings public, so if you really feel uneasy just forget about the whole thing.
Honestly, and flame me if you will (/. comments have always been themed with "down with microsoft") but this sort of stuff is what my boss looks at. And his boss looks at. But here is my take.
"Will highlight Microsoft's advantages in areas such as security, feature-completeness and total cost of ownership."
Secuirty
No OS (Linux, Unix, BSD, Windows, ect) is secure by default. There are always exploits and holes. Yes MS has a bigger % of security incidents then other OS's because its used more. There are other reasons but take into the consideration that the more people that use software, the more bugs and holes will be found. Im not saying Microsoft is anywhere near secure out of the box as *nix is (because that would ludicrios) but they DO fix thier holes, which is really want counts isnt it?
Feature-completeness
Many of us think about MS OFfice, and Windows to be overloaded with features that we will never use. There is alot of junk there, but at some point someone had asked for that junk. I could see MS giving themselves a pretty high rating for this.
TCO
How easy is it to install and configure a MS server, how many more people are trained to do it? How many more MCSE's are there than Red Hat Certified people? I have seen them use this tatic before; The OS may be free, but whats it costing you to keep a person that is Linux qualified versus the people you already have that are MS qualified.
The whitepaper's that come out of this may be enough for my boss (or his boss) to stick with his windows 2000 running cold fusion when I am just starting to warm his feet in the linux world.
Bash MS all you want but they DO have a way of looking good in the executives eyes. Not to mention there is no centeral place to get TCO information on Linux. Yes, you can go to RedHat.com or any of the other distros and get thier TCO report but all of thier numbers are different. This makes it confusing for bosses everywhere, Microsoft.com is trusted to them, they will see Microsoft.com as the numbers that are most likley true, then where will linux be?
I have run quite a few events myself. Some friday -> sunday justlike the one you are planning. Some things i found absoultly necessary. ;(
;) ) in the price of registration. I normally have chips and stuff for people to snack on between meals, and I found that offering meals isnt always the best but If i put up a survey on the registration page i can figure out really what i need to do for meals. Somepeople prefer Burger king and stuff, others expect you to order pizza. Count on .5 large pies per person, per meal. If you scope out a pizzaria before hand you could probably get them to work out a deal, 4$-5$ a pie if you pick it up aint bad.
;)
1.) Registration System (with prepay)
You always need to know how many people are coming, keeping track of who payed you and who has not. One of my first events, I didnt have a prepay system and all though 55 registered, only the 8 that prepayed showed up. I ate around 600$ on that party
2.) Places to sleep
Its custom for me to rope off a corner of the room for people who cant afford the hotel rooms. They bring their own sleeping bags, and they sleep in the corner!
3.) Check in/Check out... NO GUESTS!
This is a tough rule to enforce, but I found it easier to document what a person has brought in (in terms of equipment) and not to allow guests. It just makes the theft go away. If you dont know who brought what in, you dont know if they should be walking out with that nifty 19inch flat screen you just bought!
4.) Name tags.
You want people to know each other, they have a good time and come back for more. My best system is a php script that handles the registration, pre-paying, and the formating (for printing) of the person's name and of thier handle. Its always feel good to run into someone at the drink stand (another needed thing, a place to snack, grab a dew, or just take a break from gaming) with the handle of the guy you just moped up in a game.
4.) Supplies.
Never have enought toliet paper, paper towels, paper cups. Honestly, sometimes the hotell staff isnt perfect and dont keep up with the bathrooms, i mean after all if you got 100 people, and they each drink 15 dews an hour, thats alot of batroomin!
5.) Snacks, Bevs.
I normally include a 12 pack per day (dew
6.) Staff, Always Available
Someone needs to always be there to greet people, help people get setup, or just be there when the servers break (it will happen, it always does.) For 100 people, of team of 5 normally works well.
I think thats about all i can think of right now, but if you want to email me I can try and help ya out as much as possible
Popsikle...A....T...NYPunk....Org
While Powell said he values public input on the rules, it ultimately will be of little help in crafting ownership laws that stand up in court. "You don't govern just by polls and surveys," he said. "We have to exercise difficult judgments and abide by the law. If all of our rulemaking was just a case of put them out and take a referendum, things would be a lot easier." - From the Washington Post Article... Isnt that the point of a Democratic Government? We the People, For the People, By The People? Or am I on crack, and thats not the way It it supposed to work!
I agree. I do not see how this can possibly affect software, it interfaces with the hardware but does not connect to any sort of PC's. I worked at OfficeMAX and if they did something like this there would be alot less complete $hit brands there.