You just offered proof of my point. There was a time when console games offered no more than 16 colors. How would you propose to create shadows with one miniscule pallette? How could quake have been possible without enough computing horsepower to create a 3D environment? Graphics(or I should say hardware) have improved and because graphics have improved, gameplay has also been able to improve.
I guess you could keep arguing against me, but that's only because you refuse to even consider my point. Honestly, I don't know who in their right mind would NOT want graphics to push gameplay.
And unfortunately, the Xbox is usually the system that proves this example time and time again. take Brute Force, for example. Beautiful game, but it's just not fun. The same could be said for Blinx, Munch's Oddesy, Blood Wake, MechAssault, etc.
On the other end of the spectrim, look at Rock 'n Roll Racing for the SNES. That game, to this day, still earns my appreciation. I have yet to find a person that didn't like it, in fact.
Sometimes graphical advancements can actually augment gameplay in certain situations. Take Splinter Cell for example. You may or may not like the title all that much, but the gameplay is greatly improved upon by the fact that the graphical engine includes shadows that you can hide in. Without the accurate visual representation, you'd have to rely on a stealth meter which is archaic in comparison.
Splinter Cell is one of the titles out there where better graphics pushed better gameplay. I'm hoping that Doom3 follows that trend.
I think you overestimate the number of people in the world that are interested enough in Linux to try installing it on a game console. When we're talking sales in the tens of millions of consoles... the number of uberl337 linux haxors is pretty insignificant.;)
the vast... and I mean VAST majority of console consumers don't know jack from squat when it comes to computer components, let alone the inner workings of Linux. I suppose the current Xbox attracted a few due to it's pc-esque architecture, but I seriously doubt that will happen again. Even if it does, as I said, we're talking about a miniscule percentage of the gaming populace.
But perhaps I completely missed your point? I tend to do that sometimes.
Hrm. I don't suppose anyone here remembers the lofty PS2 promises? I think Sony finally realized that they cannot promise what they cannot deliver... so they make the promise as ambiguous as possible.
PS3 will be able to render X in real time, where X = Y / Z + 10!!! Wow!
possibility 1- MS allows dev's to patch game via LIVE.
constant - everyone is disgusted because MS is the badguy for allowing sloppy and shoddy game development.
possibility 2- MS does not allowing dev's to patch bugs in xbox games via LIVE...
constant - everyone is disgusted because MS is essentially 'crippling their own consol(sic) by not allowing buggy games to be fixed'
Are you a nimwit? You're arguing that a PC title is superior to a console game simply because it allows dev's to release unfinished games and patch them later? u r so smrat! PC is teh winxorrz!11
i think this was part of the reason MS announced XNA at the GDC; to insure that developers will have an extensive set of tools for next gen developement.
You're trying to tell us that the same engineers that designed the chip don't know how to use it? I'll admit that I know pretty much nothing about IC
engineering, but this excuse has always made me scratch my head.
It sounds like typical Sony PR crap. "Eh... our chip is infinately faster than the competition... in fact it's so advanced nobody knows how to utilize it!!!"
why not find an original critiscm? I look at 8 bit mario and the word is "Pixelated". I have an idea, why don't you go ahead and create your own gaming development studio and show bungie how it's done?
1- I can get a screen like that on just about any PC FPS game while I'm dead and ghosting around. I'm sure Bungie has the means to position a camera during gameplay. Besides, he never said it was a representative of the first person perspective; he said it was representative of engine effects we'd see in game.
2- I suppose they used their laptop from the grassy knoll to quickly load the image into PS and doctor it up before releasing it on the Net! Give me a break. You're just looking for something to be pissed about.
3- Eh, there's a red guy just on the other side of the blue shielded guy. Is there any likelihood you misjudged the angle by 5 degrees? Yes, I think so.
4- There is no 'faint motion blur' on the shell. It could be the cracksmoke residue on your monitor.
5- This point is counter-intuitive to your entire post. "The picture looks too doctored to be true! Except some of it looks really crappy!"
Move along folks. There is no conspiracy here. We did land on the moon, the freemasons are not in charge of the world, and this is a picture from the Halo2 engine.
Heaven forbid a company look after it's own interests. Treachery? It really bugs me when people think the world (or MS in this case) owes them something.
try out rainbow six 3: raven shield (if you haven't already)
one hit will kill. some 35-or-so weapons to choose from. Vs. and cooperative gameplay. excellent singleplayer campaign as well as online multiplayer action.
To answer your last question, you need a little imagination, a very large monitor, and a good surround sound setup. immersion is about the only way to give you the suspense you're looking for.
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You just offered proof of my point. There was a time when console games offered no more than 16 colors. How would you propose to create shadows with one miniscule pallette? How could quake have been possible without enough computing horsepower to create a 3D environment? Graphics(or I should say hardware) have improved and because graphics have improved, gameplay has also been able to improve.
I guess you could keep arguing against me, but that's only because you refuse to even consider my point. Honestly, I don't know who in their right mind would NOT want graphics to push gameplay.
And unfortunately, the Xbox is usually the system that proves this example time and time again. take Brute Force, for example. Beautiful game, but it's just not fun. The same could be said for Blinx, Munch's Oddesy, Blood Wake, MechAssault, etc.
On the other end of the spectrim, look at Rock 'n Roll Racing for the SNES. That game, to this day, still earns my appreciation. I have yet to find a person that didn't like it, in fact.
Sometimes graphical advancements can actually augment gameplay in certain situations. Take Splinter Cell for example. You may or may not like the title all that much, but the gameplay is greatly improved upon by the fact that the graphical engine includes shadows that you can hide in. Without the accurate visual representation, you'd have to rely on a stealth meter which is archaic in comparison.
Splinter Cell is one of the titles out there where better graphics pushed better gameplay. I'm hoping that Doom3 follows that trend.
I think you overestimate the number of people in the world that are interested enough in Linux to try installing it on a game console. When we're talking sales in the tens of millions of consoles... the number of uberl337 linux haxors is pretty insignificant. ;)
the vast... and I mean VAST majority of console consumers don't know jack from squat when it comes to computer components, let alone the inner workings of Linux. I suppose the current Xbox attracted a few due to it's pc-esque architecture, but I seriously doubt that will happen again. Even if it does, as I said, we're talking about a miniscule percentage of the gaming populace.
But perhaps I completely missed your point? I tend to do that sometimes.
wow. I'm being bashed by a gay-bashing racist. how cute.
More money than you've ever seen in your whole life. All 13 years of it.
The main point of the post was not to form a theory but to kindly remind folks of how matters like these tend to repeat themselves.
Hrm. I don't suppose anyone here remembers the lofty PS2 promises? I think Sony finally realized that they cannot promise what they cannot deliver... so they make the promise as ambiguous as possible. PS3 will be able to render X in real time, where X = Y / Z + 10!!! Wow!
I don't think so. I think this is more like North ;)
Korea saving face. Yes, we Americans
are shaking in our little booties.
besides, who esle is going to put up a good fight?
Panama?
ah! the double edged blade that is coward- logic:
possibility 1- MS allows dev's to patch game via LIVE.
constant - everyone is disgusted because MS is the badguy for allowing sloppy and shoddy game development.
possibility 2- MS does not allowing dev's to patch bugs in xbox games via LIVE... constant - everyone is disgusted because MS is essentially 'crippling their own consol(sic) by not allowing buggy games to be fixed'
Are you a nimwit? You're arguing that a PC title is superior to a console game simply because it allows dev's to release unfinished games and patch them later? u r so smrat! PC is teh winxorrz!11
i think this was part of the reason MS announced XNA at the GDC; to insure that developers will have an extensive set of tools for next gen developement.
well, if you've only gone through one PS2 so far, you're probably doing pretty well.
You're trying to tell us that the same engineers that designed the chip don't know how to use it? I'll admit that I know pretty much nothing about IC engineering, but this excuse has always made me scratch my head.
It sounds like typical Sony PR crap. "Eh... our chip is infinately faster than the competition... in fact it's so advanced nobody knows how to utilize it!!!"
What's wrong with owning a cheap PC?
why not find an original critiscm? I look at 8 bit mario and the word is "Pixelated". I have an idea, why don't you go ahead and create your own gaming development studio and show bungie how it's done?
1- I can get a screen like that on just about any PC FPS game while I'm dead and ghosting around. I'm sure Bungie has the means to position a camera during gameplay. Besides, he never said it was a representative of the first person perspective; he said it was representative of engine effects we'd see in game. 2- I suppose they used their laptop from the grassy knoll to quickly load the image into PS and doctor it up before releasing it on the Net! Give me a break. You're just looking for something to be pissed about. 3- Eh, there's a red guy just on the other side of the blue shielded guy. Is there any likelihood you misjudged the angle by 5 degrees? Yes, I think so. 4- There is no 'faint motion blur' on the shell. It could be the cracksmoke residue on your monitor. 5- This point is counter-intuitive to your entire post. "The picture looks too doctored to be true! Except some of it looks really crappy!" Move along folks. There is no conspiracy here. We did land on the moon, the freemasons are not in charge of the world, and this is a picture from the Halo2 engine.
Sorry to drop a load of reality in your lap but pirates break the law and are therefore criminals.
only on /. would something this lame make headlines.
Heaven forbid a company look after it's own interests. Treachery? It really bugs me when people think the world (or MS in this case) owes them something.
you don't need 4 controllers if you have your pal bring his xbox over and link them together. He can bring his own.
you know... funny like a baby with no arms!
Shoot people that spam. If spammers started dying, the whole spam phenomenon would come to a screeching halt PFQ.
forgot about that one.
try out rainbow six 3: raven shield (if you haven't already) one hit will kill. some 35-or-so weapons to choose from. Vs. and cooperative gameplay. excellent singleplayer campaign as well as online multiplayer action. To answer your last question, you need a little imagination, a very large monitor, and a good surround sound setup. immersion is about the only way to give you the suspense you're looking for.