I'll never understand why men think it's legal to be fired for being a man, but illegal to be fired for being a woman. It's some real cognitive dissonance.
Well, no you won't ever understand something that's not true.
Actually recognizing sheep is an "artificial" task to make humans look better than nets.
It's a known failure mode of nets. The net has no uderstanding of the object so it's unable ot learn the difference between an object and the object's context. Humans can, nets can't, and until they can they'll be much worse at a very wide range of tasks.
In the general case, nets can easily be better than humans per joule of energy consumed
What general case are you talking about where nets routinely outperform humans?
Here are some things artificial neural networks will kick your ass in.
Yeah about that...
The first one is that neural networks are "better" at humans at image and object recognition. Let me assure you, they are very much not. You can go download a state of the art pre-trained net, and run it on data if you don't believe me. they can do better on classifying "imagenet" in some circumstances, but image net is a remarkably restricted dataset and it's also got a fair amount of label noise.
If you construct an artificial enough task in this area you can make nets look better than humans, but they really are not close.
The neural net results are both impressive and useful, and I work on them myself right now. But as soon as you escape the narrow confines of those datasets, the preformance goes way down.
I'm with you except for the part about the general rules underlying prejudices being usually correct.
Depends what you mean by "generally correct". All sorts of correlations exist, and humans are bad at determining which are causitive and which are not (machines are worse). Recording a correlation is near worthless for predictive power.
Fundamentally, thinking of deep learning as machine-generated prejudice changes one's enthusiasm for the technology.
Deep learning (all machine learning) is particularly bad. If you're not really, really careful with the data you put in, you can easily get biased results coming out.
There is now a huge incentive to merge your organisation. There will be an active push now to drive down revenue while holding profit levels the same. The best way to do this is to create massive verticals.
Well, gee, if only there was a plan to tax turnover not profit then.
But it's nice to know that enlightened European companies never try to take advantage of loopholes in the various European countries' tax laws.
The EU fines and cracks down on Euopean companies all the time. But when they do it to an American company, it's met with a huge outpouring of whining on slashdot.
I wouldn't bother arguing with this guy. He's angry about deep learning for some reason (can't figure out how to run Pytorch?) so he's determined to spam every thread with lidicrous straw man arguments, like if it's not 100% strong AI it's not useful, or the pretense that the algorithms haven't improved in the last 60 years.
You got to remember the algorithms are still relatively primitive. My guess is that in that pictures were geo-tagged in a region known for sheep. It saw the tubes coming out the ground as legs. In the other photo it saw the white rocks in the creek bed as wool with shadows.
More likely it's working as a scene type detection algorithm. It's an easier task to classify a scene in many cases, so it was probably lerning that and using it as a strong prior. The learning algorithm will pick up on correlations, whether useful or not.
Well, reality is certainly conforming to my belief that anyone who uses the phrase "SJW[*]" is an idiot.
[*] you know in seriousness. Excluding quoting, irony, humour etc.
Therefore, if your workplace pays well and isn't at least 50% women and 13% black, they you *must* be discriminating--PERIOD. No defense is accepted, no matter how reasonable or convincing.
That is you inventing stuff because you want reality to conform to your beliefs. That makes you an SJW! Eeeeewww SJW!!! Get out of here evil person!
For every problem, there is a solution which is easy, simple and wrong. So, let's see...
Don't include information on race, gender, etc. on employment applications
aaaand herre we go. That works as long as there is no public information about you. If you have anything relating to a public profile, like publications, presence at conferences, positions on standards bodies, patents and so on and so forth, then that information is out there.
Not only is it out there, it's a great thing to put on your CV. Come to think of it, the only reason I'm at my current job is precisely because of my public profile: people in the relevant sub-sub-sub-*field know what I have worked on and like it enough to offer me a job.
At least one USB 3.0 type A port, if they ditch magsafe then one USB-C for power/etc. Same headphone/microphone port, better display (1080p, IPS would be nice but is too costly), more recent CPU, 8GB RAM standard with a 16GB option, same 128GB SSD, same keyboard as before (no butterfly 1 or 2), SDXC card reader would be nice.
Lower price on top of that?
Sold.
Unless they pull something very good out of the hat or if you're really only interested in OSX, there are easily better options out there at the moment. The last Asus Zenbook I tried (a few generations ago) was excellent and I'd happily get another and the current gen thinkpads are fantastic. I prefer them to my work issued mac pro.
Sorry we inconvenienced you and interrupted your normal routine.
You did and it's unacceptable. I actually had to leave my basement during what normies call "daytime" or some such. I think we're all going to die because we appear to be far too close to a star for comfort.
We inherited an aging setup in the acquisition that was located physically far away from us.
How old is the infrasturcture?
I'm kind of curious: slashdot was a very high traffic site relative to many others back when the internet was much smaller, clouds were floofy blobs of tiny water drops and the only CDN most of had heard of was coralcache.
We will be dedicating a lot of time and resources this year to improving Slashdot.
I look forward to it, but for the sake of us old fogies, please keep the lovely javascript free mode. It's incredibly fast and nice to use on any compter.
Also, is sourceforge going to see some love? Github seems to be taking a lot of the mindshare these days, but it kind of sucks.
But more importantly, since the economic catastrophe that Brussels predicted for the UK didn't happen
What the fuck? Of course it didn't happen BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN THE EU. You've brought intop the brexit fantasist argument that if everything bad didn't happen on day 1 after the vote then everything was fine.
Your argument is particularly stupid because no one even know yes under what terms the UK is leaving.
Oh, and nudity doesn't have much to do with freedom of expression. What freedom of expression must protect is the expression of ideas (even those you don't like), and there's not much idea in a nipple.
I see: it's free speech I don't like, so it doesn't need protection.
Who needs those stupid other sites with their holier-than-thou "be nice to people" and "you should bathe occasionally" attitudes...
Plus most other sites have some left-right bias of a basic sort. Here is the only place I know of where both sides think it's controlled by a conspiracy of the other side.
No, I concur. I bu a lot of DVDs still by many standards, but I get the majority second hand from a UK chain called CEX, where they sell them from between 50p and about a tenner.
They do also sell BluRay, but I never buy any because I don't have a player. I don't have a player because they have one half-height shelf devoted to Blu-rays and an entire floor for DVDs. DVDs it seems are still vastly more popular and I'd imagine the availability of second hand ones has some relation to the availability of new ones. Plenty of the second hand DVDs are from the last few years.
Is it also not illegal search and search and seizure if your neighbor or business partner, who is not the government, breaks in your door and rummages through your stuff to collect evidence?
No, it's not illegal search and seizure. It's theft, trespass and breaking and entering. Those are entirely different crimes.
Read your Declaration. The right to free speech isn't only the right against government censorship; it is a Natural Right that you have by virtue of sucking down oxygen.
Yeah, and you have that. See:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Nowhere does it say "Congress shall pass a law so that whiny RightWingNutJob can have a megaphone provided freely by someone else".
I mean for heaven's sake man, there are other video websites out there. You can even set up your own for free very easily and for little money. You know if you want to speak freely (and I mean actually speak), it's not censorship that Exxon won't pay your gas money when you get up off your lazy ass and drive to somewhere people can hear you.
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I'll never understand why men think it's legal to be fired for being a man, but illegal to be fired for being a woman. It's some real cognitive dissonance.
Well, no you won't ever understand something that's not true.
Actually recognizing sheep is an "artificial" task to make humans look better than nets.
It's a known failure mode of nets. The net has no uderstanding of the object so it's unable ot learn the difference between an object and the object's context. Humans can, nets can't, and until they can they'll be much worse at a very wide range of tasks.
In the general case, nets can easily be better than humans per joule of energy consumed
What general case are you talking about where nets routinely outperform humans?
Here are some things artificial neural networks will kick your ass in.
Yeah about that...
The first one is that neural networks are "better" at humans at image and object recognition. Let me assure you, they are very much not. You can go download a state of the art pre-trained net, and run it on data if you don't believe me. they can do better on classifying "imagenet" in some circumstances, but image net is a remarkably restricted dataset and it's also got a fair amount of label noise.
If you construct an artificial enough task in this area you can make nets look better than humans, but they really are not close.
The neural net results are both impressive and useful, and I work on them myself right now. But as soon as you escape the narrow confines of those datasets, the preformance goes way down.
I'm with you except for the part about the general rules underlying prejudices being usually correct.
Depends what you mean by "generally correct". All sorts of correlations exist, and humans are bad at determining which are causitive and which are not (machines are worse). Recording a correlation is near worthless for predictive power.
Fundamentally, thinking of deep learning as machine-generated prejudice changes one's enthusiasm for the technology.
Deep learning (all machine learning) is particularly bad. If you're not really, really careful with the data you put in, you can easily get biased results coming out.
There is now a huge incentive to merge your organisation. There will be an active push now to drive down revenue while holding profit levels the same. The best way to do this is to create massive verticals.
Well, gee, if only there was a plan to tax turnover not profit then.
There's an old saying - "it takes two to tango".
A large number of old saying are stupid.
But it's nice to know that enlightened European companies never try to take advantage of loopholes in the various European countries' tax laws.
The EU fines and cracks down on Euopean companies all the time. But when they do it to an American company, it's met with a huge outpouring of whining on slashdot.
We have been training neural networks for over 40 years now. Why can't they recognize sheep yet? What progress has there been?
You've been spamming this thread with the same question for ages. what progress has been made?
I wouldn't bother arguing with this guy. He's angry about deep learning for some reason (can't figure out how to run Pytorch?) so he's determined to spam every thread with lidicrous straw man arguments, like if it's not 100% strong AI it's not useful, or the pretense that the algorithms haven't improved in the last 60 years.
You got to remember the algorithms are still relatively primitive. My guess is that in that pictures were geo-tagged in a region known for sheep. It saw the tubes coming out the ground as legs. In the other photo it saw the white rocks in the creek bed as wool with shadows.
More likely it's working as a scene type detection algorithm. It's an easier task to classify a scene in many cases, so it was probably lerning that and using it as a strong prior. The learning algorithm will pick up on correlations, whether useful or not.
Research the phrase "protected class", which appears to comprise about 75% of the US population.
It seems particularly ironic since you clearly didn't. Women are not a protected class. Gender is a protected class.
SJW's want reality to conform to their beliefs.
Well, reality is certainly conforming to my belief that anyone who uses the phrase "SJW[*]" is an idiot.
[*] you know in seriousness. Excluding quoting, irony, humour etc.
Therefore, if your workplace pays well and isn't at least 50% women and 13% black, they you *must* be discriminating--PERIOD. No defense is accepted, no matter how reasonable or convincing.
That is you inventing stuff because you want reality to conform to your beliefs. That makes you an SJW! Eeeeewww SJW!!! Get out of here evil person!
Making your argument in Latin might make you sound smart, but it doesn't make you correct.
Similarly, everything before "At the same time" is bull.
No is isn't.
Here's the easy solution to this problem.
For every problem, there is a solution which is easy, simple and wrong. So, let's see...
Don't include information on race, gender, etc. on employment applications
aaaand herre we go. That works as long as there is no public information about you. If you have anything relating to a public profile, like publications, presence at conferences, positions on standards bodies, patents and so on and so forth, then that information is out there.
Not only is it out there, it's a great thing to put on your CV. Come to think of it, the only reason I'm at my current job is precisely because of my public profile: people in the relevant sub-sub-sub-*field know what I have worked on and like it enough to offer me a job.
At least one USB 3.0 type A port, if they ditch magsafe then one USB-C for power/etc. Same headphone/microphone port, better display (1080p, IPS would be nice but is too costly), more recent CPU, 8GB RAM standard with a 16GB option, same 128GB SSD, same keyboard as before (no butterfly 1 or 2), SDXC card reader would be nice.
Lower price on top of that?
Sold.
Unless they pull something very good out of the hat or if you're really only interested in OSX, there are easily better options out there at the moment. The last Asus Zenbook I tried (a few generations ago) was excellent and I'd happily get another and the current gen thinkpads are fantastic. I prefer them to my work issued mac pro.
Sorry we inconvenienced you and interrupted your normal routine.
You did and it's unacceptable. I actually had to leave my basement during what normies call "daytime" or some such. I think we're all going to die because we appear to be far too close to a star for comfort.
We inherited an aging setup in the acquisition that was located physically far away from us.
How old is the infrasturcture?
I'm kind of curious: slashdot was a very high traffic site relative to many others back when the internet was much smaller, clouds were floofy blobs of tiny water drops and the only CDN most of had heard of was coralcache.
We will be dedicating a lot of time and resources this year to improving Slashdot.
I look forward to it, but for the sake of us old fogies, please keep the lovely javascript free mode. It's incredibly fast and nice to use on any compter.
Also, is sourceforge going to see some love? Github seems to be taking a lot of the mindshare these days, but it kind of sucks.
Want to get rid of the toxicity? Start by firing Anita Sarkeesian from Google's so-called "Trust and Safety Council."
A feemale with opinions so dangerous that twitter can be fixed by firing her from uh... google.
Hoo boy do you not like the freeze peach when it's not something you agree with!
You know what I find offensive, speech from fucking governments who steal 40-50% of the income from everyone.
If you don't like the government "stealing" from you why not go move to a failed state where there's no government to steal from you?
But more importantly, since the economic catastrophe that Brussels predicted for the UK didn't happen
What the fuck? Of course it didn't happen BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN THE EU. You've brought intop the brexit fantasist argument that if everything bad didn't happen on day 1 after the vote then everything was fine.
Your argument is particularly stupid because no one even know yes under what terms the UK is leaving.
Oh, and nudity doesn't have much to do with freedom of expression. What freedom of expression must protect is the expression of ideas (even those you don't like), and there's not much idea in a nipple.
I see: it's free speech I don't like, so it doesn't need protection.
Who needs those stupid other sites with their holier-than-thou "be nice to people" and "you should bathe occasionally" attitudes...
Plus most other sites have some left-right bias of a basic sort. Here is the only place I know of where both sides think it's controlled by a conspiracy of the other side.
Are you shitting me?
No, I concur. I bu a lot of DVDs still by many standards, but I get the majority second hand from a UK chain called CEX, where they sell them from between 50p and about a tenner.
They do also sell BluRay, but I never buy any because I don't have a player. I don't have a player because they have one half-height shelf devoted to Blu-rays and an entire floor for DVDs. DVDs it seems are still vastly more popular and I'd imagine the availability of second hand ones has some relation to the availability of new ones. Plenty of the second hand DVDs are from the last few years.
ps. Has anyone else noticed /. being slow and intermittent the last few days? I wonder if they're on the receiving of a DDOS or something.
Yep. I got 503s last night when I tried to log in.
Is it also not illegal search and search and seizure if your neighbor or business partner, who is not the government, breaks in your door and rummages through your stuff to collect evidence?
No, it's not illegal search and seizure. It's theft, trespass and breaking and entering. Those are entirely different crimes.
Read your Declaration. The right to free speech isn't only the right against government censorship; it is a Natural Right that you have by virtue of sucking down oxygen.
Yeah, and you have that. See:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Nowhere does it say "Congress shall pass a law so that whiny RightWingNutJob can have a megaphone provided freely by someone else".
I mean for heaven's sake man, there are other video websites out there. You can even set up your own for free very easily and for little money. You know if you want to speak freely (and I mean actually speak), it's not censorship that Exxon won't pay your gas money when you get up off your lazy ass and drive to somewhere people can hear you.
You misspelled "simplstic".
And so did I!
We fired an engineer for being aware of basic biology and psychology
You misspelled "simplstic". Damore's conclusions were unfounded in actual science. Being aware of a few schoolboy level concepts doesn't justify it.