Maybe by countersuing first and fighting it for a while they can get a more favorable settlement than if they tried for it right away. It's just a hunch on my part.
Tried to install Macromedia Flash 6 on top of Mozilla and I didn't have new enough glibc. Downloaded the RPM and ran grpm, and it didn't seem to change anything. I guess it has other dependencies?
Also it won't connect to my ISP or my school on my desktop using a Hayes Accura 56k + fax external modem, which is about as non-exotic as you can get. Using it fairly happly on my Toshiba 2505CDS with a Xircom combo modem and ethernet card though.
I think the most likely outcome is a settlement between SCO and IBM in SCOs favor, and no enforcement of the licenses SCO is asking for. They'll keep asking for it and some will pay it, and that will turn into a fair amount of money over the long term.
I think what this demonstrates is that Linux is at the tipping point. There's real money involved at this point for everybody involved. The suit means that linux has already achieved substantial market penetration, and everone is taking notice. I can't say how it will all turn out, but if SCO fails, linux is really off to the races.
Problem is with control of the desktop MS is making more and more of the web operate with only IE. Plus much softwarez only work with it, Photoshop, games, as people have pointed out here. Cracking the monopoly--not supplanting it--with linux would change this situation. Also it would reduce the price people are paying for Windows because it now includes a monopoly rent. It would also result in Windows being better, if it actually had to win people over on its merits. XP is pretty stable and that may be partly a response to Unix/Linux in the server space. Wasn't that part of the purpose of NT to begin with?
I switched to OO because I wanted to be able to read new Word documents and didn't want to pay for a new version (I bought 6.0 on Ebay years ago). I switched to Mozilla because I wanted an up-to-date browser and didn't want to run or pay for Windows 98 (on my $75 P-II with a $25 OEM version of 95 OSR2) which the latest IE and Netscape required. I would have switched to Redhat 7.0 (bought on Ebay for $1) and did indeed install it on half of my HDD, but it doesn't connect to my ISP with my modem (a Hayes Accura 56k + fax). (I have successfully installed it and used it to connect on an old notebook.)
I started computing on a c-64 and in those days new software came out all the time for the same hardware. It seemed like improving software had nothing to do with new hardware capacity. Nowadays much, although not all, of commercial software development seems to mean just taking advantage of or even just requiring better hardware. So I'm not inclined to upgrade my hardware just so I can run a new word processor. I know enough about programming to know that that shouldn't be necessary.
The linux market is huge and Sun is trying to get a slice. Sun isn't doing terribly, it's just shrunken from the bubble years, when its earning were growing at 40 percent a year and it was hiring like crazy. They chose not to lay off that many people, so their earnings disappeared, even though they're still a big company. I don't think they'll go bankrupt and for now 64-bit is still largely proprietary. Opteron is new and is not yet a large part of the market, and Intel's 64-bit chip still hasn't caught on, so it's IBM and Sun for the time being. If sun can get back into the web and e-mail server market with linux boxes that will help them.
It seems to me that 32-bit computing is rapidly approaching the end of its useful life. I think it's going to be a challenge for Intel to move over to the new chip. AMD has been having a terrible time all over the map in the last few years, which puts Sun in a pretty good position going forward.
I see that the new Gateway server will allow 24GB of RAM using xeons. I thought with 32 bit you couldn't exceed something less than that?
Yeah I did pretty well at $15 an hour, so long as the total charge was never more than $70 or so. People get pretty upset if it gets to more than $100 given the price of new computers. $20 I did okay. $25 they started getting upset. Now my fee is $50, but then I don't do this kind of work any more--except for free for my girlfriend.
This still sounds awfully wierd, i'm surprised the U.S. would be able to get away with something like that and I suspect the cnn.com author *may* be glossing over something, but that's not the article submitters' fault. What's Super 301? Is there any documentation of this act besides this article?
This was an act passed by Congress that enabled it to institute punitive tariffs in cases of unfair trade practices. This was back in the days of Voluntary Export Restrictions on Japanese cars and fears that all U.S. industries would go the way of the VCR, television, and portable electronics markets. These fears pretty much ended with the beginning of the Japanese recession in the early 1990s.
It's an interesting idea though that the U.S. dominance of the computer space was in fact due to strategic trade and not technical innovation, as is usually thought.
Perhaps part of the problem this accusation is so damaging is that the community is dependent on SCO to say what the offending code is. IOW if they were able to document the source of all the code, then perhaps there would be no FUD?
Even if they indemnified users from the point at which they knowingly distributed their code forward, they could sue for damages caused up to that point, as well as future lost business stemming from purchasing decisions made up to that point.
Hrm I should add that these damages would precede their knowing distribution of the code under GPL as asserted in this decision matrix, but conversely could include the value of all subsequent lost business. This is based on the assumption of a favorable court decision, the likelihood of which is another matter.
If they win a judgment that there was infringement, they can sue for damages. The impact on the Linux community would not be restrictions on future implementations of Linux, but financial.
If you preferred Judgment Day to this movie, you are a marketing slave, probably like Microsoft software, and I hope you are one of the first to die in the coming nuclear war.
Thank you for your time.
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What if Ford Motor Co. owned all the roads in the U.S.? Surely they would design the roads such that only Ford vehicles worked on them. And furthermore, they would hide behind IP laws to make it illegal for anyone to make a car for their roads.
They did practically that--Ford, GM and other auto companies lobbied for the creation of the Interstate Highway System in 1957, but their chief competition was passenger trains, which were of course incompatible with highways.
Much as I'm also getting slightly bored by these stories, it really is the biggest thing going on for years in the Linux (and maybe the whole Open Source) community. If, somehow, SCO succeeds in winning any of these cases it does have significant repercussions for most people who read Slashdot, somewhere down the line.
I think it's a big event too because it demonstrates quite definitively that Linux is for real, and that real money is involved.
This is a very important point. IOW, they figure out ways to get your _consent_ to things that infringe on your privacy, freedom of expression, etc., by making it impossible to do basic functions of the Internet without giving that consent. They do this by making themselves the only game in town for those once-basic featues. This is the legal way of doing it. The fact that it is legal does not make it any more desirable. This has always been a shortcoming (or _contradiction_) of bourgeois democracy. Aggregations of capital work at cross purposes to political equality.
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They also got bailed out by Microsoft in a failed attempt to forestall antitrust proceedings.
I think they may also have given it away themselves, even if they weren't aware of it at the time, by distributing their own version of Linux under GPL.
In that case the simulation would be for the benefit of the simulator, not one (or all) of the minds in the simulation, so each of us would vanish the moment his or her attention was diverted. That we are all always on all the time suggests we are not simulations.
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Maybe by countersuing first and fighting it for a while they can get a more favorable settlement than if they tried for it right away. It's just a hunch on my part.
Tried to install Macromedia Flash 6 on top of Mozilla and I didn't have new enough glibc. Downloaded the RPM and ran grpm, and it didn't seem to change anything. I guess it has other dependencies? Also it won't connect to my ISP or my school on my desktop using a Hayes Accura 56k + fax external modem, which is about as non-exotic as you can get. Using it fairly happly on my Toshiba 2505CDS with a Xircom combo modem and ethernet card though.
I think the most likely outcome is a settlement between SCO and IBM in SCOs favor, and no enforcement of the licenses SCO is asking for. They'll keep asking for it and some will pay it, and that will turn into a fair amount of money over the long term.
It's a lot of publicity and it shows you're getting a $699 operating system for free.
I think what this demonstrates is that Linux is at the tipping point. There's real money involved at this point for everybody involved. The suit means that linux has already achieved substantial market penetration, and everone is taking notice. I can't say how it will all turn out, but if SCO fails, linux is really off to the races.
Problem is with control of the desktop MS is making more and more of the web operate with only IE. Plus much softwarez only work with it, Photoshop, games, as people have pointed out here. Cracking the monopoly--not supplanting it--with linux would change this situation. Also it would reduce the price people are paying for Windows because it now includes a monopoly rent. It would also result in Windows being better, if it actually had to win people over on its merits. XP is pretty stable and that may be partly a response to Unix/Linux in the server space. Wasn't that part of the purpose of NT to begin with?
I started computing on a c-64 and in those days new software came out all the time for the same hardware. It seemed like improving software had nothing to do with new hardware capacity. Nowadays much, although not all, of commercial software development seems to mean just taking advantage of or even just requiring better hardware. So I'm not inclined to upgrade my hardware just so I can run a new word processor. I know enough about programming to know that that shouldn't be necessary.
It seems to me that 32-bit computing is rapidly approaching the end of its useful life. I think it's going to be a challenge for Intel to move over to the new chip. AMD has been having a terrible time all over the map in the last few years, which puts Sun in a pretty good position going forward.
I see that the new Gateway server will allow 24GB of RAM using xeons. I thought with 32 bit you couldn't exceed something less than that?
Apple was doomed. Gates bailed them out with money to try to forestall antitrust actions.
Exchange value, not use value.
Yeah I did pretty well at $15 an hour, so long as the total charge was never more than $70 or so. People get pretty upset if it gets to more than $100 given the price of new computers. $20 I did okay. $25 they started getting upset. Now my fee is $50, but then I don't do this kind of work any more--except for free for my girlfriend.
This was an act passed by Congress that enabled it to institute punitive tariffs in cases of unfair trade practices. This was back in the days of Voluntary Export Restrictions on Japanese cars and fears that all U.S. industries would go the way of the VCR, television, and portable electronics markets. These fears pretty much ended with the beginning of the Japanese recession in the early 1990s.
It's an interesting idea though that the U.S. dominance of the computer space was in fact due to strategic trade and not technical innovation, as is usually thought.
Perhaps part of the problem this accusation is so damaging is that the community is dependent on SCO to say what the offending code is. IOW if they were able to document the source of all the code, then perhaps there would be no FUD?
Even if they indemnified users from the point at which they knowingly distributed their code forward, they could sue for damages caused up to that point, as well as future lost business stemming from purchasing decisions made up to that point.
Hrm I should add that these damages would precede their knowing distribution of the code under GPL as asserted in this decision matrix, but conversely could include the value of all subsequent lost business. This is based on the assumption of a favorable court decision, the likelihood of which is another matter.
If they win a judgment that there was infringement, they can sue for damages. The impact on the Linux community would not be restrictions on future implementations of Linux, but financial.
If you preferred Judgment Day to this movie, you are a marketing slave, probably like Microsoft software, and I hope you are one of the first to die in the coming nuclear war. Thank you for your time.
What if Ford Motor Co. owned all the roads in the U.S.? Surely they would design the roads such that only Ford vehicles worked on them. And furthermore, they would hide behind IP laws to make it illegal for anyone to make a car for their roads.
They did practically that--Ford, GM and other auto companies lobbied for the creation of the Interstate Highway System in 1957, but their chief competition was passenger trains, which were of course incompatible with highways.
Much as I'm also getting slightly bored by these stories, it really is the biggest thing going on for years in the Linux (and maybe the whole Open Source) community. If, somehow, SCO succeeds in winning any of these cases it does have significant repercussions for most people who read Slashdot, somewhere down the line. I think it's a big event too because it demonstrates quite definitively that Linux is for real, and that real money is involved.
This is a very important point. IOW, they figure out ways to get your _consent_ to things that infringe on your privacy, freedom of expression, etc., by making it impossible to do basic functions of the Internet without giving that consent. They do this by making themselves the only game in town for those once-basic featues. This is the legal way of doing it. The fact that it is legal does not make it any more desirable. This has always been a shortcoming (or _contradiction_) of bourgeois democracy. Aggregations of capital work at cross purposes to political equality.
They also got bailed out by Microsoft in a failed attempt to forestall antitrust proceedings.
I think they may also have given it away themselves, even if they weren't aware of it at the time, by distributing their own version of Linux under GPL.
I think they tipped their hand when Neo stopped the sentinels outside the Matrix.
In that case the simulation would be for the benefit of the simulator, not one (or all) of the minds in the simulation, so each of us would vanish the moment his or her attention was diverted. That we are all always on all the time suggests we are not simulations.
I'm with you there--I've got it installed and probably put 50-75 hours into it, but I still can't successfully log in to my ISP.