The concept of submitting a message to a Web-Based-Message-Board [1] chronologically before all other submitters is hereby declared to be the proprietary innovation "First Posting". I have reviewed the entire Web to ensure that no prior art exists. The concept of Fist Posting is heretofore my proprietary technique.
The formula is simple.
1) Buy a tape recorder.
2) Every time you answer the phone, inform people that they are being recorded for quality control purposes.
3) When the AT&T telemarkedroid starts talking, say the magic words:
PUT ME ON YOUR DO-NOT-CALL LIST This phrase has deep legal signifigance. You can ask for them to mail you written confirmation of the do-not-call list. They are required to comply.
4) If they call again, confirm their identity, time/date stamp the recording, and find your lawyer. Then sue the fuck out of them.
For more information how, check out www.junkbusters.com. I successfully (settled out of court) sued MCI, and they never, ever call me anymore.
The fools! Instead of stealing the Enigma machine, they could instead sue Bletchley Park for bypassing the Enigma machine's access protection device! By suing under the DMCA, they could bankrupt Bletchley Park and seize all their assets, including the Enigma machine!
Silly robbers. Don't they understand the way to commit crimes these days is to use the law?
Maybe this is a sob-story, but it's an accurate reprentation of the situation in Russia. Listen to the story yourself, I may not have told it completely accurately.
Even the most popular band spends most of their money on instruments and have to record in a very cramped apartment.
Russian doctors make less money than American burger flippers. Tiger Woods makes more money than the entire payroll for the vietnamese factory that makes his shirts. ($100 million vs. $1.25 a day... think about it...)
Yes, russian bands are poor and starving. So are russian doctors, lawyers, truck drivers, peasants, plumbers, and just about everyone else. And they've got SO much disposable income for CD's.
Not trying to flame you here, but good god man! Get a grip. America spent over a million dollars last year buying I love Lucy re-runs that they could have "pirated" by using their VCR.
"It's awfully difficult to spend 40 minutes in the court listening to (Napster attorney) Boies arguing why they don't have to pay," said RIAA chief executive Hilary Rosen.
Hillary is wise beyond her years. Which is impressive, since she's so goddamn old. Hillary is right - if you incorporate, if you distribute music, you're gonna have to pay. The RIAA basically has NO assets. They produce nothing. They exist only to suck money out of both sides of the artist-fan conduit, and to shape that conduit. That's a really good gig folks. Entertainment is the number one industry in the united states, and it has the highest profit margin.
And when you've got a good gig, and someone tries to take it from you...
someone is going to pay.
File sharing corporations have no future.
File sharing applications are the future.
On the first day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
The Matrix on DVD
On the second day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
No way to cite
The Matrix on DVD
On the third day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
Macrovision scrambling
on my completely unciteable
Matrix on DVD
On the fourth day of Christmas
2600 gave to me
the source code for playing
the Macrovision scrambled
previously unciteable
Matrix on DVD
On the fifth day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
A Cease and Desist Letter!
For having the source code for playing
the Macrovision scrambled
totally unciteable
Matrix on DVD.
I want my first amendments right back, Jack.
I want your head on a stick.
Someone is smoking crack, but I don't think it's the programmers. The only fact in the entire article is that the son of the publisher of Upside magazine died of a drug overdose while working on upside.com. Let's take a look at upside.com's META tag:
META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="UpsideToday, Upside magazine, Internet business, ebusiness, b2b, b-to-b, stock quotes, ipo, stock market, technology, high tech, venture capital, vc, e-commerce, funding, investing, ceo, Bill Gates"
Anytime I read something like that I know there's drug use involved. Let's also look at this sentence from the LA times article:
Two women slinked off to the bathroom and found a quiet corner, away from the harsh fluorescent light. As one woman pulled out a compact and checked her lipstick, the other withdrew from her purse a bullet-shaped vial. Sliding the top to one side, she tapped out a small mound of white powder onto her fingertip, lifted it to her nose and inhaled quickly.
Again, someone is on the crack rock, and it ain't the programmers.
What I learned from this article: Yes, journalists still smoke the crack rock. Yes, the e-business craze was driven by MBA's who smoked the crack rock.
Programmers are sticking to mountain dew and routing around failure of all kinds.
Now maybe if we could hide Katz's stash from him for a couple weeks, we could see him WIG OUT!
can any hardware engineers out there write up a quick and dirty on how to build your own bar-code scanner? then you could base any of your software engineering on hardware you'd created yourself.
let's see em sue you for that.
p.s. since it's legal to send a cease and desist letter for anything, can we get a slash lawyer to write a cease-and-desist letter to DC that asks them to cease and desist being assholes? Then all of us can mail them a copy...
He didn't just pull the adspace out, he lets you replace the adspace with an oscilloscope from the winamp mp3 you're currently playing. less of a hack than an overlay.
but he does seem to be a 6 million dollar loose cannon. more proof to time warner that the truly gifted are beyond their control?
In related news, Intel Corportaion recently purchased "Tom's Hardware Guide" and "HardOCP" for a record 1 billion dollars. Intel's spokesperson had these comments early this morning:
"We really like their [Tom's Hardware] input, and we wanted everyone in Newfoundland to be able to recieve the bounty of his wisdom. That's why we've purchased Tom's organization, and we're strategically relocating Tom to Newfoundland, where he will perform a streaming audio broadcast to everyone within earshot in his new deep, dark, hole in the ground."
Further updates as events warrant. Rambus Corporation (Nas: RAMBUS) had no comment, but their stock spiked 30 points on the news.
Could it be, could it possibly be, that they are cringing from the public exposure they are getting by alienating their own artists? Maybe when Courtney Love got up in front of God and Everybody and told people that the recording industry was nothing but a bunch of bloodsucking scumbags and decided to dump their promotional and distribution machine in favor of her own website that they actually went shopping for some very expensive guy with a ponytail who actually had a f***ing clue?
Honestly, I don't understand it. If I were the RIAA and I'd gotten away with getting such a completely disgusting abuse of copyright law passed, I'd wave it in everyone's face and scream: "look, the American People don't care anymore! they let me do whatever I want! I can steal and plunder and pretty soon I'm gonna move on to raping and pillaging!".
But some of their big time acts must have (somehow) gotten their message across. Some mentioned in the written statement are Don Henley and Sheryl Crow. Sounds like some really big cash cows were threatening to go the way of Ms. Love and defect. I'd like more information on the "Artists' Coalition" mentioned in the article. It's yet more proof that the RIAA is not to be confused with the interests of recording artists, nor their profits.
The best part is Hillary won't even admit she lost:
RIAA insisted that nothing had changed and, in a written statement, RIAA President Hilary Rosen reiterated that position.
Ultamitely, people will buy what people want; and the corporations will make what the people want.
People wanted the AARD detection virus in Windows 3.1?
People wanted the CSS content scrambling system to prevent them from watching their own movies?
People want to pay a 50 cent piracy tax on blank cds?
People don't want to buy digital music online?
People wanted the Macrovision scrambling system so that they couldn't use their VCR to change inputs?
People wanted to be gassed, beaten, and starved in Seattle?
People wanted to have their ears ripped off at the Republican National Convention?
People didn't want the right to reverse-engineer for interoperability?
People WANT brittney spears?
I'm not sure corporations will make what the people want. I think they will use their wealth to obtain control, and use their control to limit our choices - and we will blindly take the best choice they offer us.
yes, securityfocus points out that he is wrong. i did read the article. what i meant was that an entire article was more attention than moody's bullcrap deserved. that's why i said:
can we just mod moody's article as flamebait? his only evidence is that bugtraq lists more linux bugs than NT bugs. of course it does... that's because the linux community uses bugtraq and open review to fix bugs, and microsoft's "bugtraq" is a closed system that happens behind closed doors in redmond.
windows 2000 gold was shipped with over 10,000 known, documented bugs. and no, they're not listed at bugtraq.
i could go on and on (index the # of windows bugs in the knowledge base, closed source bugs vs open source bugs) but i've already given this flamebait more attention that it deserves.
whatever you do, when you read this article, don't click through the banner ads. then he's won.
no, seriously. their first box was called omnivore, and it listened to everything. the new one is called carnivore, and it selectively listens. i think it's quite probable that the reason they are keeping it a secret is that it sucks so bad, and they don't want people to know how far behind they are. i bet omnivore was esniff.c, and that carnivore is a flat packet sniffer with keyword filters:
while (1) if packet_contains_keyword(packet,"bomb") savepacket();
First, we need an ACCESS PROTECTION DEVICE. Let's say that our access protection is to invert all the bits in a file: exchange 1's with 0's, and 0's with 1's. Now, we need a body of copyrighted works. I'm sure we could get some submissions, perhaps we could copyright an entire thread of petrified natalie portman spam. Finally, we distribute our body of copyrighted works with our ACCESS PROTECTION DEVICE engaged - we bit flip all the ascii. End step 1.
Step 2: create a license for authorized access to our copyrighted works. The license would be: 1) by viewing these works you agree never to file a lawsuit again, ever. 2) by viewing these works you agree to strip naked and run screaming down the street if we should ever call upon you to do it.
Now, the third and masterful step: 3) Encrypt the DeCSS source code using our bit-inversion ACCESS CONTROL DEVICE. Think about it - if they try to prove that we're distributing the code, then we can prove that they were in violation of the terms of our license (they sued us) AND we can charge them with trafficking in a device specifically designed for circumventing access protections to a body of copyrighted works! Oh yes, we'd have them by the short curlies!
Then we could sue their fat asses.
The next step, of course, is to get the english language declared to be an access control mechanism, and license it. but first things first.
Of course it's ridiculous, but then hey, they're banning t-shirts and declaring martial law in seattle, so why the fuck not?
1. No one knows the name of your unknown garage band. Therefore, no one will search for your songs on Napster.
I know the name of his unknown garage band. It's called CHRIS JOHNSON. He's a one-man band. I went to his web page, and I liked it so much I bought his album. It was really easy.
By the way, thanks for dismissing him the same way the music industry does. You helped get his point across.
P.S. if you actually use Napster's client to browse the napster network, then sure, you can't browse, only search. But who actually does that? Not me...
Guess: The defense will lose and have no grounds for appeal which will be denied.
The grounds for appeal have never been that "the purpose of the decss project was to play dvd's in linux without paying anything". Regardless of the fact that it violates our fair use rights to have to buy keys to watch stuff we already own, you've sidestepped the basis of the appeal. The basis of the appeal, to the Supreme Court, is an appeal over the consitutionality of the DMCA.
Specifically, whether it is constitutional to ban all speech which describes how a mechanism works, that could be used to circumvent a mechanism in a way contrary to the intention of the inventor of the mechanism. This is what the DMCA does. The defendants ARE guilty of violating the DMCA, and should be found guilty. The DMCA IS guilty of violating the Constitution, and should be found guilty.
I understand that it's very hard for moderators not to mod people like you as flamebait - and I applaud them for moderating you up for the public ridicule you so richly deserve.
P.S. the commercial linux DVD player project initiatives were commenced only AFTER the decss project broke, because the MPAA didn't want to appear that they were denying a community a legal way to play movies. Of course, that still leaves Amiga, Atari, Solaris, BeOS, HP-UX, BSD, etc., etc., and their user communities, without a DVD player. Maybe if some more Jon Johansens get their homes raided we'll see some bogus development for a HP-UX DVD player (:
the differentiator between the APEX 600A with the menu and the one without is that the new ones (with no secret menu) have a digital sound output too. So just ask if the player has a digital sound output - if it does, it's the new one without the secret menu.
Those are the moderation totals on the parent (this) post, as of 7:26pm 7/19/2000.
Before you dismiss this as off-topic, read on.
How is it that 3 people think that this is an interesting or informative post, and 2 people think that he is Trolling, i.e., intentionally trying to disrupt an intelligent conversation?
If something is thought-provoking, it is insightful, even if you disagree with it. If something is a deliberate attempt to disrupt a conversation, it's a Troll.
Now, to get on-topic: Yes, remote root on recent versions of (probably) all Linux-based systems that include NFS. Fortunately, most of them seem to have issued updates already. See the Security Focus Record for a summary (and, yes, an exploit).
It's on-topic. It's thought provoking, and it's informative. He hunted down a link for you. It's a massive security hole, just as big as the one in Outlook. Yes, you may disagree with his opinions or conclusions (I sure as hell do - no one is being paid billions of dollars to quality control Linux, it's the difference between a flaw in a gift and a flaw in an expensive PRODUCT) but that doesn't mean he's trying to disrupt the conversation. This comment is an insightful reality check. If his link was bogus, or his information was incorrect, Troll him. But if his facts are VALID and you disagree with his OPINION, mod him UP so we can all think about it and decide.
Moderation is not about supressing opinions with basis in fact, it's about supressing l33t hax0rz who want some Natalie.
Calling this guy a troll makes us look bad. Mod him up, and take his argument apart.
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, but I dare you to go back and play Dig Dug or Frogger again now.
I play Dig Dug every day. My high score is 94,376.
Some day I'll beat it. I'm sure.
Why doesn't anyone ever answer the finger in this house!?!?
U.S. Patent Application:
The concept of submitting a message to a Web-Based-Message-Board [1] chronologically before all other submitters is hereby declared to be the proprietary innovation "First Posting". I have reviewed the entire Web to ensure that no prior art exists. The concept of Fist Posting is heretofore my proprietary technique.
Anyone who infringes upon my patent will be sued.
[1] Message boards such as www.slashdot.org.
The formula is simple.
1) Buy a tape recorder.
2) Every time you answer the phone, inform people that they are being recorded for quality control purposes.
3) When the AT&T telemarkedroid starts talking, say the magic words:
PUT ME ON YOUR DO-NOT-CALL LIST
This phrase has deep legal signifigance. You can ask for them to mail you written confirmation of the do-not-call list. They are required to comply.
4) If they call again, confirm their identity, time/date stamp the recording, and find your lawyer. Then sue the fuck out of them.
For more information how, check out www.junkbusters.com. I successfully (settled out of court) sued MCI, and they never, ever call me anymore.
The fools! Instead of stealing the Enigma machine, they could instead sue Bletchley Park for bypassing the Enigma machine's access protection device! By suing under the DMCA, they could bankrupt Bletchley Park and seize all their assets, including the Enigma machine!
Silly robbers. Don't they understand the way to commit crimes these days is to use the law?
Maybe this is a sob-story, but it's an accurate reprentation of the situation in Russia. Listen to the story yourself, I may not have told it completely accurately.
Even the most popular band spends most of their money on instruments and have to record in a very cramped apartment.
Russian doctors make less money than American burger flippers. Tiger Woods makes more money than the entire payroll for the vietnamese factory that makes his shirts. ($100 million vs. $1.25 a day... think about it...)
Yes, russian bands are poor and starving. So are russian doctors, lawyers, truck drivers, peasants, plumbers, and just about everyone else. And they've got SO much disposable income for CD's.
Not trying to flame you here, but good god man! Get a grip. America spent over a million dollars last year buying I love Lucy re-runs that they could have "pirated" by using their VCR.
THINK!
Armey's just worried someone is going to put Carnivore on an ISP link and block everything that contains the word "Dick".
"It's awfully difficult to spend 40 minutes in the court listening to (Napster attorney) Boies arguing why they don't have to pay," said RIAA chief executive Hilary Rosen.
Hillary is wise beyond her years. Which is impressive, since she's so goddamn old. Hillary is right - if you incorporate, if you distribute music, you're gonna have to pay. The RIAA basically has NO assets. They produce nothing. They exist only to suck money out of both sides of the artist-fan conduit, and to shape that conduit. That's a really good gig folks. Entertainment is the number one industry in the united states, and it has the highest profit margin.
And when you've got a good gig, and someone tries to take it from you...
someone is going to pay.
File sharing corporations have no future.
File sharing applications are the future.
On the first day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
The Matrix on DVD
On the second day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
No way to cite
The Matrix on DVD
On the third day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
Macrovision scrambling
on my completely unciteable
Matrix on DVD
On the fourth day of Christmas
2600 gave to me
the source code for playing
the Macrovision scrambled
previously unciteable
Matrix on DVD
On the fifth day of Christmas
Jack Valenti gave to me
A Cease and Desist Letter!
For having the source code for playing
the Macrovision scrambled
totally unciteable
Matrix on DVD.
I want my first amendments right back, Jack.
I want your head on a stick.
Someone is smoking crack, but I don't think it's the programmers. The only fact in the entire article is that the son of the publisher of Upside magazine died of a drug overdose while working on upside.com. Let's take a look at upside.com's META tag:
META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="UpsideToday, Upside magazine, Internet business, ebusiness, b2b, b-to-b, stock quotes, ipo, stock market, technology, high tech, venture capital, vc, e-commerce, funding, investing, ceo, Bill Gates"
Anytime I read something like that I know there's drug use involved. Let's also look at this sentence from the LA times article:
Two women slinked off to the bathroom and found a quiet corner, away from the harsh fluorescent light. As one woman pulled out a compact and checked her lipstick, the other withdrew from her purse a bullet-shaped vial. Sliding the top to one side, she tapped out a small mound of white powder onto her fingertip, lifted it to her nose and inhaled quickly.
Again, someone is on the crack rock, and it ain't the programmers.
What I learned from this article: Yes, journalists still smoke the crack rock. Yes, the e-business craze was driven by MBA's who smoked the crack rock.
Programmers are sticking to mountain dew and routing around failure of all kinds.
Now maybe if we could hide Katz's stash from him for a couple weeks, we could see him WIG OUT!
can any hardware engineers out there write up a quick and dirty on how to build your own bar-code scanner? then you could base any of your software engineering on hardware you'd created yourself.
let's see em sue you for that.
p.s. since it's legal to send a cease and desist letter for anything, can we get a slash lawyer to write a cease-and-desist letter to DC that asks them to cease and desist being assholes? Then all of us can mail them a copy...
He didn't just pull the adspace out, he lets you replace the adspace with an oscilloscope from the winamp mp3 you're currently playing. less of a hack than an overlay.
but he does seem to be a 6 million dollar loose cannon. more proof to time warner that the truly gifted are beyond their control?
perhaps.
can you get busted for linking to a singing version of DeCSS?
If so, Slashdot is about to get nailed!
The Onion saw this coming!
Apple Employee Fired for Thinking Different!
I've heard that's a great way to build confidence within the ranks, just sinlge out a few employees and rape them. Worked for Stalin!
In related news, Intel Corportaion recently purchased "Tom's Hardware Guide" and "HardOCP" for a record 1 billion dollars. Intel's spokesperson had these comments early this morning:
"We really like their [Tom's Hardware] input, and we wanted everyone in Newfoundland to be able to recieve the bounty of his wisdom. That's why we've purchased Tom's organization, and we're strategically relocating Tom to Newfoundland, where he will perform a streaming audio broadcast to everyone within earshot in his new deep, dark, hole in the ground."
Further updates as events warrant. Rambus Corporation (Nas: RAMBUS) had no comment, but their stock spiked 30 points on the news.
I wonder what changed their minds.
Could it be, could it possibly be, that they are cringing from the public exposure they are getting by alienating their own artists? Maybe when Courtney Love got up in front of God and Everybody and told people that the recording industry was nothing but a bunch of bloodsucking scumbags and decided to dump their promotional and distribution machine in favor of her own website that they actually went shopping for some very expensive guy with a ponytail who actually had a f***ing clue?
Honestly, I don't understand it. If I were the RIAA and I'd gotten away with getting such a completely disgusting abuse of copyright law passed, I'd wave it in everyone's face and scream: "look, the American People don't care anymore! they let me do whatever I want! I can steal and plunder and pretty soon I'm gonna move on to raping and pillaging!".
But some of their big time acts must have (somehow) gotten their message across. Some mentioned in the written statement are Don Henley and Sheryl Crow. Sounds like some really big cash cows were threatening to go the way of Ms. Love and defect. I'd like more information on the "Artists' Coalition" mentioned in the article. It's yet more proof that the RIAA is not to be confused with the interests of recording artists, nor their profits.
The best part is Hillary won't even admit she lost:
RIAA insisted that nothing had changed and, in a written statement, RIAA President Hilary Rosen reiterated that position.
Ultamitely, people will buy what people want; and the corporations will make what the people want.
People wanted the AARD detection virus in Windows 3.1?
People wanted the CSS content scrambling system to prevent them from watching their own movies?
People want to pay a 50 cent piracy tax on blank cds?
People don't want to buy digital music online?
People wanted the Macrovision scrambling system so that they couldn't use their VCR to change inputs?
People wanted to be gassed, beaten, and starved in Seattle?
People wanted to have their ears ripped off at the Republican National Convention?
People didn't want the right to reverse-engineer for interoperability?
People WANT brittney spears?
I'm not sure corporations will make what the people want. I think they will use their wealth to obtain control, and use their control to limit our choices - and we will blindly take the best choice they offer us.
but i could be wrong.
yes, securityfocus points out that he is wrong. i did read the article. what i meant was that an entire article was more attention than moody's bullcrap deserved. that's why i said:
can we just mod moody's article as flamebait
sorry if i wasn't clear. my bad.
posting this lame reply without a +1, mwalker.
can we just mod moody's article as flamebait? his only evidence is that bugtraq lists more linux bugs than NT bugs. of course it does... that's because the linux community uses bugtraq and open review to fix bugs, and microsoft's "bugtraq" is a closed system that happens behind closed doors in redmond.
windows 2000 gold was shipped with over 10,000 known, documented bugs. and no, they're not listed at bugtraq.
i could go on and on (index the # of windows bugs in the knowledge base, closed source bugs vs open source bugs) but i've already given this flamebait more attention that it deserves.
whatever you do, when you read this article, don't click through the banner ads. then he's won.
it only eats meat.
no, seriously. their first box was called omnivore, and it listened to everything. the new one is called carnivore, and it selectively listens. i think it's quite probable that the reason they are keeping it a secret is that it sucks so bad, and they don't want people to know how far behind they are. i bet omnivore was esniff.c, and that carnivore is a flat packet sniffer with keyword filters:
while (1)
if packet_contains_keyword(packet,"bomb") savepacket();
I have a brilliant solution. Are you ready?
First, we need an ACCESS PROTECTION DEVICE. Let's say that our access protection is to invert all the bits in a file: exchange 1's with 0's, and 0's with 1's. Now, we need a body of copyrighted works. I'm sure we could get some submissions, perhaps we could copyright an entire thread of petrified natalie portman spam. Finally, we distribute our body of copyrighted works with our ACCESS PROTECTION DEVICE engaged - we bit flip all the ascii. End step 1.
Step 2: create a license for authorized access to our copyrighted works. The license would be:
1) by viewing these works you agree never to file a lawsuit again, ever.
2) by viewing these works you agree to strip naked and run screaming down the street if we should ever call upon you to do it.
Now, the third and masterful step:
3) Encrypt the DeCSS source code using our bit-inversion ACCESS CONTROL DEVICE. Think about it - if they try to prove that we're distributing the code, then we can prove that they were in violation of the terms of our license (they sued us) AND we can charge them with trafficking in a device specifically designed for circumventing access protections to a body of copyrighted works!
Oh yes, we'd have them by the short curlies!
Then we could sue their fat asses.
The next step, of course, is to get the english language declared to be an access control mechanism, and license it. but first things first.
Of course it's ridiculous, but then hey, they're banning t-shirts and declaring martial law in seattle, so why the fuck not?
morons.
1. No one knows the name of your unknown garage band. Therefore, no one will search for your songs on Napster.
I know the name of his unknown garage band. It's called CHRIS JOHNSON. He's a one-man band. I went to his web page, and I liked it so much I bought his album. It was really easy.
By the way, thanks for dismissing him the same way the music industry does. You helped get his point across.
P.S. if you actually use Napster's client to browse the napster network, then sure, you can't browse, only search. But who actually does that? Not me...
Guess: The defense will lose and have no grounds for appeal which will be denied.
The grounds for appeal have never been that "the purpose of the decss project was to play dvd's in linux without paying anything". Regardless of the fact that it violates our fair use rights to have to buy keys to watch stuff we already own, you've sidestepped the basis of the appeal. The basis of the appeal, to the Supreme Court, is an appeal over the consitutionality of the DMCA.
Specifically, whether it is constitutional to ban all speech which describes how a mechanism works, that could be used to circumvent a mechanism in a way contrary to the intention of the inventor of the mechanism. This is what the DMCA does.
The defendants ARE guilty of violating the DMCA, and should be found guilty.
The DMCA IS guilty of violating the Constitution, and should be found guilty.
I understand that it's very hard for moderators not to mod people like you as flamebait - and I applaud them for moderating you up for the public ridicule you so richly deserve.
P.S. the commercial linux DVD player project initiatives were commenced only AFTER the decss project broke, because the MPAA didn't want to appear that they were denying a community a legal way to play movies. Of course, that still leaves Amiga, Atari, Solaris, BeOS, HP-UX, BSD, etc., etc., and their user communities, without a DVD player. Maybe if some more Jon Johansens get their homes raided we'll see some bogus development for a HP-UX DVD player (:
the differentiator between the APEX 600A with the menu and the one without is that the new ones (with no secret menu) have a digital sound output too. So just ask if the player has a digital sound output - if it does, it's the new one without the secret menu.
Moderation Totals:Troll=2, Insightful=1, Interesting=2, Informative=1, Total=6.
Those are the moderation totals on the parent (this) post, as of 7:26pm 7/19/2000.
Before you dismiss this as off-topic, read on.
How is it that 3 people think that this is an interesting or informative post, and 2 people think that he is Trolling, i.e., intentionally trying to disrupt an intelligent conversation?
If something is thought-provoking, it is insightful, even if you disagree with it. If something is a deliberate attempt to disrupt a conversation, it's a Troll.
Now, to get on-topic:
Yes, remote root on recent versions of (probably) all Linux-based systems that include NFS. Fortunately, most of them seem to have issued updates already. See the Security Focus Record for a summary (and, yes, an exploit).
It's on-topic. It's thought provoking, and it's informative. He hunted down a link for you. It's a massive security hole, just as big as the one in Outlook. Yes, you may disagree with his opinions or conclusions (I sure as hell do - no one is being paid billions of dollars to quality control Linux, it's the difference between a flaw in a gift and a flaw in an expensive PRODUCT) but that doesn't mean he's trying to disrupt the conversation. This comment is an insightful reality check. If his link was bogus, or his information was incorrect, Troll him. But if his facts are VALID and you disagree with his OPINION, mod him UP so we can all think about it and decide.
Moderation is not about supressing opinions with basis in fact, it's about supressing l33t hax0rz who want some Natalie.
Calling this guy a troll makes us look bad. Mod him up, and take his argument apart.