From TFBlurb: "...without having to become a Linux administrator"
Thank $DEITY I did try getting Linux desktops on my home network and shortly after settled for apt-based distros. Linux administration is a breeze compared to windows. Desktop users' life is also good if peripherals are recognized, especially if by OSS drivers. Your mileage may vary cause most of you were familiar with windows in the first place, I came from good old macos. Anyway I don't care to try and convince you with examples. Those who are curious don't need my opinion, and the lazy ones are better of wherever they are.
Back to topic:.net is faster? maybe. That is a reason to revert from open source, not memory hungry, nice to code with stacks to Microsoftland? haha, no. Apart from the main reason (Freedom), the secondary reason (smalltalk on net is not like ruby on rails), if people reverted back to Microsoft Microsoft would revert back to itself in the 90's. Are you sure you want that? [N/N]
Ok Ellison is dissatisfied with red hat support. It would have been worse if actual OS users were. Like that other operating system's users sometimes are...
Indeed. And how much the distribution of vendors mean for free software? Just give a look at debian available site translations and look at the email addresses in the mailing lists. Slashdot editors are good trolls:D
Ha! I know the answer, it will have 100% support of: - Microsoft HTML(tm) - Microsoft CSS4(tm) - Microsoft XHTML(tm) - Microsoft XForms and ActiveX and other eXotic eXtensions.
I hope you represent a minority. If you don't and if the idea of being a democracy includes being harassed by police and called an idiot, please stop exporting democracy throughout the world. Good ol' puppet dictators will work fine:)
I should have been more explicit. You made some points about ruby that can be crucial indeed. But those emerge after you tried the technology and see it unfit for your needs. Many other people just swallow up the opinion by java lovers (trolls?) that I was referring to and don't bother to give it a try. You probably meant enterprise ready as "advanced feature-rich", I meant "useful in business".
I also never implied that limitations of rails would go away on their own, ideally a frameworks limitation should be apparent as early as possible to avoid people making wrong choices. But this is a completely different problem.
Anyway I didn't notice that IBM was already interested in rails, so my comment is indeed exaggerated.
Getting the likes of IBM to recognize the usefulness of the Rails framework is a little more than just another DBMS supported: rails used to be bashed, especially by java people, for not being "enterprise ready". They criticised the limitations of the active record ORM (but it's open source, you can either extend it or make your custom sql calls), or the relative immaturity of ruby and libraries.
Now such claims will sound less credible so more dubious people might give it a try.
IIRC the first attacks on linux by MS were about the virality of the GPL or in general the scarce usefulness of the open source software for business. The attack on desktop readiness came later. So to people with a little memory I guess this seems like the latest loss of face.
First they ignore you, then they cover you with FUD, then they use you. Then they pay lawmakers to cut you out of the market, then they win. Greedy @#!*:)
The apple mystery. Since becoming the first and biggest maker of personal computers back in the 80's Apple always sits on his achievements milking customers until it risks bankrupcy, then comes out with a killer thing (the powerpc, the ipod, OSX) and wins back some market and lots of image, until the next depression. t's a very dangerous game to play for a company, and it's a pity as OSX is the best commercial OS.
I wouldn't be surprised at the high number of windows clients in those logs. After all slashdotters bash windows and to really hate windows you have to use it. That's what happened to me anyway.
So we got an America located into a larger place called North America that finds itself north of a place called South America? Sorry, it seems to me a made-up excuse to justify being the true and only "americans" in the continent. Not that I accuse you, it might be what they teach you in school.
But don't invoke computer people:D Computer people, see one place called North America, one South America, and one called U.S. of America, and conclude that America is the big continent. South being part of the name instead of a specifier makes sense just as a lame excuse, IMHO.
Mr Amerigo Vespucci, the guy from whom the America name comes from (America, not Americas which i guess was a clever way to resolve the name clash between US and the continent), understood it was a new continent. And he was exploring South America. So there's not much of an historical reason for US to exclusively claim the America term, too.
The reason why people of the world hear "America" and think "USA" has probably something to do a little with US Army and a lot with Hollywood.
An interesting speculation. The perfect drug that gives you an advantage and no side effects. In a competitive society such thing would become mainstream, and soon required. And the corporation who owns the right to produce such drug soon would have the importance that today oil companies have. To me it's just one less degree of freedom for the normal man, but we are losing more important ones, like the right to drink pure and almost free water from the environment or breath pure air or eat pure food.
Personally I am not gonna tamper with a nervous system evolved in millions of year using substances some bald monkeys discovered just decades ago, thank you.
Luckily, linux users can avoid installing hp drivers and use cups with the laserjet postscript.ppd: works for me, a networked 2550ln, and a 128 mb pc with ubuntu.
If you're updating multiple packages, those steps are done by preparing all packages, upgrading all packages, and running the postinstall for all packages (restarting the service). That can take some time, which using a sane definition qualifies as downtime for the server.
It does not matter if you have lots of packages to upgrade: dpkg unpacks them and prepares the upgrade, only THEN stops and restarts each updated service. It's a matter of a few seconds (around 5). Try it for yourself. I agree with your definition of uptime, that is, availability of the service. If in your experience windows services are more reliable than linux ones, it is a point. Otherwise this thread makes the good point that under linux you don't have to reboot the machine, thus killing services that were running perfectly well, to do needed upgrades to other services.
In debian based distro land, you upgrade everything on the fly. You need not reboot. You need not disconnecting from an ssh session to update ssh. Only security problems in the kernel need a reboot... so linux potential uptime = time since latest kernel hole require a reboot, and actual uptime IMHO is 99% or more of that.
If anything, I'd say this kind of articles would help corporations more than the government. Faulty cars and treatments that kill have been sold before, but now they have very convenient terrorist that can take the blame, at the price of an entry in a jihadist blog.
honestly, without udev or devfs linux has the same problem, as device nodes for removables are not "remembered". I recall also not removable stuff like NIC wireless and tcpip over firewire randomly getting eth0/eth2, i fixed it with udev.
Simply taken offline to be searched, hmmm... I wonder how common is this procedure by swedish police and what triggered it. If I had business there i wouldn't like to have servers hijacked, especially if the reason is that I legally pissed off some foreign IP nazis.
While you happily play with words like parent poster were a paranoid, anybody else can read interesting stuff like:
However, nearly all fish and shellfish contain traces of mercury. For most people, the risk from mercury by eating fish and shellfish is not a health concern. Yet, some fish and shellfish contain higher levels of mercury that may harm an unborn baby or young child's developing nervous system. The risks from mercury in fish and shellfish depend on the amount of fish and shellfish eaten and the levels of mercury in the fish and shellfish. Therefore, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) are advising women who may become pregnant, pregnant women, nursing mothers, and young children to avoid some types of fish and eat fish and shellfish that are lower in mercury.
Some insight in parent post, too. What is Symantecs management, as any other management, really after? Money. Would they get more money if Vista were released on time, and sold copies with Symantec IP on it, or if Vista were delayed and OSX/Linux gained momentum?
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Nope :) Another common technique is: Use The Initials Of A Phrase That's Easy To Remember (utioptitr) as base for your pass.
From TFBlurb: "...without having to become a Linux administrator"
.net is faster? maybe. That is a reason to revert from open source, not memory hungry, nice to code with stacks to Microsoftland? haha, no. Apart from the main reason (Freedom), the secondary reason (smalltalk on net is not like ruby on rails), if people reverted back to Microsoft Microsoft would revert back to itself in the 90's. Are you sure you want that? [N/N]
Thank $DEITY I did try getting Linux desktops on my home network and shortly after settled for apt-based distros. Linux administration is a breeze compared to windows. Desktop users' life is also good if peripherals are recognized, especially if by OSS drivers. Your mileage may vary cause most of you were familiar with windows in the first place, I came from good old macos. Anyway I don't care to try and convince you with examples. Those who are curious don't need my opinion, and the lazy ones are better of wherever they are.
Back to topic:
Ok Ellison is dissatisfied with red hat support. It would have been worse if actual OS users were. Like that other operating system's users sometimes are...
Indeed. And how much the distribution of vendors mean for free software? Just give a look at debian available site translations and look at the email addresses in the mailing lists. :D
Slashdot editors are good trolls
A good video card is mainly useful for games. This machine is made for the education market, maybe that's why they didn't bother.
Ha! I know the answer, it will have 100% support of:
- Microsoft HTML(tm)
- Microsoft CSS4(tm)
- Microsoft XHTML(tm)
- Microsoft XForms and ActiveX and other eXotic eXtensions.
I hope you represent a minority. If you don't and if the idea of being a democracy includes being harassed by police and called an idiot, please stop exporting democracy throughout the world. Good ol' puppet dictators will work fine :)
I should have been more explicit. You made some points about ruby that can be crucial indeed. But those emerge after you tried the technology and see it unfit for your needs. Many other people just swallow up the opinion by java lovers (trolls?) that I was referring to and don't bother to give it a try. You probably meant enterprise ready as "advanced feature-rich", I meant "useful in business". I also never implied that limitations of rails would go away on their own, ideally a frameworks limitation should be apparent as early as possible to avoid people making wrong choices. But this is a completely different problem. Anyway I didn't notice that IBM was already interested in rails, so my comment is indeed exaggerated.
Getting the likes of IBM to recognize the usefulness of the Rails framework is a little more than just another DBMS supported: rails used to be bashed, especially by java people, for not being "enterprise ready". They criticised the limitations of the active record ORM (but it's open source, you can either extend it or make your custom sql calls), or the relative immaturity of ruby and libraries.
Now such claims will sound less credible so more dubious people might give it a try.
IIRC the first attacks on linux by MS were about the virality of the GPL or in general the scarce usefulness of the open source software for business. The attack on desktop readiness came later. So to people with a little memory I guess this seems like the latest loss of face.
:)
First they ignore you, then they cover you with FUD, then they use you. Then they pay lawmakers to cut you out of the market, then they win. Greedy @#!*
The apple mystery. Since becoming the first and biggest maker of personal computers back in the 80's Apple always sits on his achievements milking customers until it risks bankrupcy, then comes out with a killer thing (the powerpc, the ipod, OSX) and wins back some market and lots of image, until the next depression.
t's a very dangerous game to play for a company, and it's a pity as OSX is the best commercial OS.
I wouldn't be surprised at the high number of windows clients in those logs. After all slashdotters bash windows and to really hate windows you have to use it. That's what happened to me anyway.
First thing that came to Bill's mind...
YOUR LICENSE ON OFFICE 2009(*) HAS EXPIRED. HAND ME A VALID CREDIT CARD. YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY.
(*) out in 2012
So we got an America located into a larger place called North America that finds itself north of a place called South America? Sorry, it seems to me a made-up excuse to justify being the true and only "americans" in the continent.
:D Computer people, see one place called North America, one South America, and one called U.S. of America, and conclude that America is the big continent. South being part of the name instead of a specifier makes sense just as a lame excuse, IMHO.
Not that I accuse you, it might be what they teach you in school.
But don't invoke computer people
Mr Amerigo Vespucci, the guy from whom the America name comes from (America, not Americas which i guess was a clever way to resolve the name clash between US and the continent), understood it was a new continent. And he was exploring South America. So there's not much of an historical reason for US to exclusively claim the America term, too.
The reason why people of the world hear "America" and think "USA" has probably something to do a little with US Army and a lot with Hollywood.
I live in another country, you insensitive clod!
An interesting speculation. The perfect drug that gives you an advantage and no side effects. In a competitive society such thing would become mainstream, and soon required. And the corporation who owns the right to produce such drug soon would have the importance that today oil companies have. To me it's just one less degree of freedom for the normal man, but we are losing more important ones, like the right to drink pure and almost free water from the environment or breath pure air or eat pure food.
Personally I am not gonna tamper with a nervous system evolved in millions of year using substances some bald monkeys discovered just decades ago, thank you.
Luckily, linux users can avoid installing hp drivers and use cups with the laserjet postscript .ppd: works for me, a networked 2550ln, and a 128 mb pc with ubuntu.
If you're updating multiple packages, those steps are done by preparing all packages, upgrading all packages, and running the postinstall for all packages (restarting the service). That can take some time, which using a sane definition qualifies as downtime for the server.
It does not matter if you have lots of packages to upgrade: dpkg unpacks them and prepares the upgrade, only THEN stops and restarts each updated service. It's a matter of a few seconds (around 5). Try it for yourself. I agree with your definition of uptime, that is, availability of the service. If in your experience windows services are more reliable than linux ones, it is a point. Otherwise this thread makes the good point that under linux you don't have to reboot the machine, thus killing services that were running perfectly well, to do needed upgrades to other services.
In debian based distro land, you upgrade everything on the fly. You need not reboot. You need not disconnecting from an ssh session to update ssh. Only security problems in the kernel need a reboot... so linux potential uptime = time since latest kernel hole require a reboot, and actual uptime IMHO is 99% or more of that.
In acronym land, you call BS on TFA, BTW.
If anything, I'd say this kind of articles would help corporations more than the government. Faulty cars and treatments that kill have been sold before, but now they have very convenient terrorist that can take the blame, at the price of an entry in a jihadist blog.
honestly, without udev or devfs linux has the same problem, as device nodes for removables are not "remembered". I recall also not removable stuff like NIC wireless and tcpip over firewire randomly getting eth0/eth2, i fixed it with udev.
Simply taken offline to be searched, hmmm... I wonder how common is this procedure by swedish police and what triggered it. If I had business there i wouldn't like to have servers hijacked, especially if the reason is that I legally pissed off some foreign IP nazis.
While you happily play with words like parent poster were a paranoid, anybody else can read interesting stuff like:
However, nearly all fish and shellfish contain traces of mercury. For most people, the risk from mercury by eating fish and shellfish is not a health concern. Yet, some fish and shellfish contain higher levels of mercury that may harm an unborn baby or young child's developing nervous system. The risks from mercury in fish and shellfish depend on the amount of fish and shellfish eaten and the levels of mercury in the fish and shellfish. Therefore, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) are advising women who may become pregnant, pregnant women, nursing mothers, and young children to avoid some types of fish and eat fish and shellfish that are lower in mercury.
(source)
Stallman may also want to have a few words with somebody who failed to notice the distinction between "open source" and "free software" :)
Some insight in parent post, too. What is Symantecs management, as any other management, really after? Money. Would they get more money if Vista were released on time, and sold copies with Symantec IP on it, or if Vista were delayed and OSX/Linux gained momentum?