Besides, google success in its projects can be misleading.
Why did people begin to put apps in a web client/server architecture? Well i guess it was a combination of: - platform independence for clients - no installation problems for clients, no per seats costs. - availability over a network - programmers starting making sites with html, then using it for GUI web app toolkit: - lack of complete control over the interface encourages scalable and accessible interfaces (ALT for images...)
But many of these are becoming less of a problem thanks to linux and FOSS in general.
So on one side we have web apps becoming more powerful and networks more responsive and with better capacity. On the other we have good old locally run apps becoming free, multi platform, easier to install, easier to network.
Neither side will win over the other soon, both have drawbacks, and it's stupid for linux to focus on web apps and forget the local apps where it offers advantages no other OS is able to deliver.
And is there any OS war with web apps? With all the open source offerings (apache projects, LAMP,java/ruby/python/perl stuff) if a web app framework isn't free as in freedom and doesn't work under linux, I'm not even touching it. Not only a religious matter, as I think one step in the near future is grid computing and limiting the nodes to proprietary OSes is quite stupid, in my organization we have 100% of the servers and 15% of the desktops running linux, and linux as the option to try before givin up the hardware to get vista.
Hehe poor old Satan, who promised a good material life and had actually to deliver it. Who had to be claiming his souls with no real guarantees because people could repent and appeal to the higher authority. But those days are finally over.
I agree, but we can't turn back time. So let's just concentrate on making the fav desktop as good and interoperable as possible. I am quite happy with gnome and kde apps under xfce4.
After all the only truly consistent desktop environment is OSX - sans X apps. Windows is fragmented too, even before the advent of vista.
You are 100% right. I was just saying casual users mistake familiarity with ease of use. I guess they wouldn't even understand what you said, they usually pay/have someone to fix their machine.
I'd say open source (well, free software) is the savior of google as it gives them good infrastructure at commodity hardware costs. Anyway Google is a good vehicle to prove it's possible for a company to rely on free software and profit.
Your distro's package management compared to DLLs? Let us know whi
On my debian and ubuntu boxes i type "aptitude install program" and i have a securely-signed program installed after the minimum possible time and download size (thanks to dependencies), and it gets automatically checked for updates. For each package there is the source if i want to recompile it. If i have no time on gentoo, IIRC, i can install it as precompiled binary.
In the sadly real windows world i have to separately download big static blobs or even separate libraries (See gtk for gimp) from the dev site (or a rootkit from the latest gimp3forwindows.dyndns.org). No automatic updates, if the app provides one it will have a popup competing with all the others and a slightly different interface. Also the firewall will complain, and the antivirus will complain. and windows will complain if the vendor didn't pay them for a certification. And, dunno about vista but xp installers and uninstallers can be 20x slower than aptitude.
Your point forgets about some distro's facility for building the kernel from source. Make-kpkg under debian based distros is one excellent example.
It might take hours if you build a lot of modules on less than 1ghz machines, but it runs unattended. A newbie reading the comment might understand it takes hours of tweaking which is not true. The first time one should try to understand what is a config file and modules, so to save time (a make oldconfig after using a config known to work on your machine saves a lot of trouble)
And bootloader setup after installation of a new kernel is often a matter of checking symbolic links.
I probably wasn't clear, or even misunderstood Shuttleworth. I agree the enterprise can be vital for ubuntu, but I was wondering about server software, not enterprise integration. Ubuntu could well reply as much as possible on debian (or whatever other sensible choice) for server stuff, it's simply a technical choice, the enterprise PHB will see ubuntu.debs without knowing how much they are related to debian ones. I say this because getting into server market as developers means opening another front in the war against windows/other distros.
System backup: 2 dvds to master, then the program says: keep them in a safe place as there's no mastering them again. Nice to start your windows experience in the right mood.
I mean, the same time i could access windows desktop to start working (that is, clicking on popups, procrastinate registration, making sense of all the crippleware installed, I had resolved out the reported problems with debian and the new bought hardware (ndiswrapper, checking that 3d acceleration worked) I guess ubuntu would have been more straightforward too.
Only thing i dunno, back on topic, is why on heaven shuttleworth is minding about the server market. I'd rather see ubuntu battling on desktop integration with hardware and on collaboration tools and software. Well he knows what he's doing hopefully.
Back to XP means depending on Microsoft willingness to support the old OS. My bet is that while official support will officially last some years, Microsoft will make sure people to switch to newer platforms. And the switch will involve getting back to vista which in the meantime will try to isolate its users from the influence of free software and open standards for obvious reason. Are you sure it's less painful than a switch to linux? Do you need more effort to get used to vista or kde? Haven't you considered a really easy and usable environment, OSX?
Being able to read after 25megs download of a viewer (what about my powerpc linux laptop? obsolete, maybe but then what about a PS3?) is surely good but for my recent computing experience in free software environments is a big PITA.
I recall an experimental phone using accelerometers to input data. Draw a number or initials in the air instead of dialing. Perfect way to look like a loonie.
A lot of people seem to think it is harmful to your career to ally oneself with the technology that is still the overwhelming leader in the market. Personally I don't understand that.
If you don't understand that I have a fairly comprehensive explanation for you to download.
If you think in a purely material way, a representative of an evil part of society left this world. YAY! If you think in a christian way, his soul, deprived of all the goods he needlessly accumulated in this world, is now in the hand of a just judge. Maybe he's not going to hell forever, but: YAY!
Of course you can be sad if you believe in reincarnation but it wasn't your point, I guess.
As for me, if I could dance on his grave with creative commons licensed material, I'd do it. It shouldn't be that much of a sin. A kind of restoring some karma.
a theory that is consistent with quantum mechanics yet doesn't completely shred your common sense notions of reality...
But that's irrelevant. Our common sense notion of reality comes from experience of macroscopic reality, if we lived in a world with different rules we would have devised different theories to make sense of it. Think about an hypothetical (i'd say inconceivable) world where it's usual for events to happen millions of times instead of once. In that world probability would be very easy to grasp, while the idea of those macro-events actually being the mean of many single events with only one outcome each would be almost inconceivable.
So give me a theory that fits and predicts experimental data, even if it involves having to deal with an observer, a conscience, a will, or a flying spaghetti monster. Because if I refused that only because science traditionally could do without that, i'd be wearing the same blinders the opposers of Galileo wore.
...so I'd suggest you export it as a wmv...
hmmmm, a nice thing on slashdot is that if you suggested to set up a streaming server and stream.movs from localhost, instead, you'd be taken seriously. don't miss the opportunity.
> Actually cats make pretty good alarm clocks. My one wakes up early, about 5:45am, and very consistently. There is nothing harsh about the wakeup, either. I just gradually become aware that it's moving around and licking itself. And I have to get up, to let it go outside. Pleasant way to wake up.
My cat is an alarm clock. Not really that precise, operates in the following way: 1. low volume meow (starts really low) 2. loud meow 3. touch, using his claws on our forearms 4. sharpening its claws on the side of the bed.
He usually tries 1 and 2 on a person, then goes to another, then resorts to 3, rarely on 4 which implies potentially unpleasant impact with cushions.
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Besides, google success in its projects can be misleading.
Why did people begin to put apps in a web client/server architecture? Well i guess it was a combination of:
- platform independence for clients
- no installation problems for clients, no per seats costs.
- availability over a network
- programmers starting making sites with html, then using it for GUI web app toolkit:
- lack of complete control over the interface encourages scalable and accessible interfaces (ALT for images...)
But many of these are becoming less of a problem thanks to linux and FOSS in general.
So on one side we have web apps becoming more powerful and networks more responsive and with better capacity.
On the other we have good old locally run apps becoming free, multi platform, easier to install, easier to network.
Neither side will win over the other soon, both have drawbacks, and it's stupid for linux to focus on web apps and forget the local apps where it offers advantages no other OS is able to deliver.
And is there any OS war with web apps? With all the open source offerings (apache projects, LAMP,java/ruby/python/perl stuff) if a web app framework isn't free as in freedom and doesn't work under linux, I'm not even touching it. Not only a religious matter, as I think one step in the near future is grid computing and limiting the nodes to proprietary OSes is quite stupid, in my organization we have 100% of the servers and 15% of the desktops running linux, and linux as the option to try before givin up the hardware to get vista.
Hehe poor old Satan, who promised a good material life and had actually to deliver it. Who had to be claiming his souls with no real guarantees because people could repent and appeal to the higher authority. But those days are finally over.
Microsoft: because Satan wasn't evil enough.
No, as long as you press cancel when you mean to cancel. Else you're a good candidate for some hell right here on earth.
I'm a "Terror Driven Management of Public Affairs Enabler", you sensitivity challenged clod!
Back to topic:
"Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."
Matthew 5:37
QED.
I recalled what crosby stills nash and young created a couple years later, too.
I agree, but we can't turn back time. So let's just concentrate on making the fav desktop as good and interoperable as possible. I am quite happy with gnome and kde apps under xfce4.
After all the only truly consistent desktop environment is OSX - sans X apps. Windows is fragmented too, even before the advent of vista.
You are 100% right. I was just saying casual users mistake familiarity with ease of use. I guess they wouldn't even understand what you said, they usually pay/have someone to fix their machine.
Windows is easy to use if the only OS you ever used is windows.
I'd say open source (well, free software) is the savior of google as it gives them good infrastructure at commodity hardware costs. Anyway Google is a good vehicle to prove it's possible for a company to rely on free software and profit.
Your distro's package management compared to DLLs? Let us know whi
On my debian and ubuntu boxes i type "aptitude install program" and i have a securely-signed program installed after the minimum possible time and download size (thanks to dependencies), and it gets automatically checked for updates. For each package there is the source if i want to recompile it. If i have no time on gentoo, IIRC, i can install it as precompiled binary.
In the sadly real windows world i have to separately download big static blobs or even separate libraries (See gtk for gimp) from the dev site (or a rootkit from the latest gimp3forwindows.dyndns.org). No automatic updates, if the app provides one it will have a popup competing with all the others and a slightly different interface. Also the firewall will complain, and the antivirus will complain. and windows will complain if the vendor didn't pay them for a certification. And, dunno about vista but xp installers and uninstallers can be 20x slower than aptitude.
Your point forgets about some distro's facility for building the kernel from source. Make-kpkg under debian based distros is one excellent example.
It might take hours if you build a lot of modules on less than 1ghz machines, but it runs unattended. A newbie reading the comment might understand it takes hours of tweaking which is not true. The first time one should try to understand what is a config file and modules, so to save time (a make oldconfig after using a config known to work on your machine saves a lot of trouble)
And bootloader setup after installation of a new kernel is often a matter of checking symbolic links.
I probably wasn't clear, or even misunderstood Shuttleworth. I agree the enterprise can be vital for ubuntu, but I was wondering about server software, not enterprise integration. Ubuntu could well reply as much as possible on debian (or whatever other sensible choice) for server stuff, it's simply a technical choice, the enterprise PHB will see ubuntu .debs without knowing how much they are related to debian ones. I say this because getting into server market as developers means opening another front in the war against windows/other distros.
> the computer works out of the box
That's not how i recall it with an hp XP laptop:
System backup: 2 dvds to master, then the program says: keep them in a safe place as there's no mastering them again. Nice to start your windows experience in the right mood.
I mean, the same time i could access windows desktop to start working (that is, clicking on popups, procrastinate registration, making sense of all the crippleware installed, I had resolved out the reported problems with debian and the new bought hardware (ndiswrapper, checking that 3d acceleration worked) I guess ubuntu would have been more straightforward too.
Only thing i dunno, back on topic, is why on heaven shuttleworth is minding about the server market. I'd rather see ubuntu battling on desktop integration with hardware and on collaboration tools and software. Well he knows what he's doing hopefully.
Back to XP means depending on Microsoft willingness to support the old OS. My bet is that while official support will officially last some years, Microsoft will make sure people to switch to newer platforms. And the switch will involve getting back to vista which in the meantime will try to isolate its users from the influence of free software and open standards for obvious reason. Are you sure it's less painful than a switch to linux? Do you need more effort to get used to vista or kde? Haven't you considered a really easy and usable environment, OSX?
Being able to read after 25megs download of a viewer (what about my powerpc linux laptop? obsolete, maybe but then what about a PS3?) is surely good but for my recent computing experience in free software environments is a big PITA.
I recall an experimental phone using accelerometers to input data. Draw a number or initials in the air instead of dialing. Perfect way to look like a loonie.
Safety has many aspects.
"Help 911! a pick up with two men is chasing my car, bumping into it, they seem high on something! I'm on acacia avenue corner wi..."
(Beep) "Car motion detected. Please stop your car to continue the conversation".
Maybe 911 calls could bypass the accelerometer though.
I am worried about people starting sending around stuff in vista-only formats, which will bring back the days of the "can't read your document" mails.
As long as I can run a linux distro, if the rest of the universe prefers hogging down their hardware with vista, it's not my business.
A lot of people seem to think it is harmful to your career to ally oneself with the technology that is still the overwhelming leader in the market. Personally I don't understand that.
If you don't understand that I have a fairly comprehensive explanation for you to download.
In quarkXpress 7 format only.
If you think in a purely material way, a representative of an evil part of society left this world. YAY!
If you think in a christian way, his soul, deprived of all the goods he needlessly accumulated in this world, is now in the hand of a just judge. Maybe he's not going to hell forever, but: YAY!
Of course you can be sad if you believe in reincarnation but it wasn't your point, I guess.
As for me, if I could dance on his grave with creative commons licensed material, I'd do it. It shouldn't be that much of a sin. A kind of restoring some karma.
a theory that is consistent with quantum mechanics yet doesn't completely shred your common sense notions of reality...
But that's irrelevant. Our common sense notion of reality comes from experience of macroscopic reality, if we lived in a world with different rules we would have devised different theories to make sense of it. Think about an hypothetical (i'd say inconceivable) world where it's usual for events to happen millions of times instead of once. In that world probability would be very easy to grasp, while the idea of those macro-events actually being the mean of many single events with only one outcome each would be almost inconceivable.
So give me a theory that fits and predicts experimental data, even if it involves having to deal with an observer, a conscience, a will, or a flying spaghetti monster. Because if I refused that only because science traditionally could do without that, i'd be wearing the same blinders the opposers of Galileo wore.
...so I'd suggest you export it as a wmv...hmmmm, a nice thing on slashdot is that if you suggested to set up a streaming server and stream
But, English is in the public domain :)
>Remember, if you can't find anything real to criticize Microsoft for... ...you are in the wrong universe.
> Actually cats make pretty good alarm clocks. My one wakes up early, about 5:45am, and very consistently. There is nothing harsh about the wakeup, either. I just gradually become aware that it's moving around and licking itself. And I have to get up, to let it go outside. Pleasant way to wake up.
My cat is an alarm clock. Not really that precise, operates in the following way:
1. low volume meow (starts really low)
2. loud meow
3. touch, using his claws on our forearms
4. sharpening its claws on the side of the bed.
He usually tries 1 and 2 on a person, then goes to another, then resorts to 3, rarely on 4 which implies potentially unpleasant impact with cushions.