Incredibly enough you were modded 'Flamebait', but I'm actually very interested in a reasonable discussion.
I find a logical problem with the following argument: "We publish user content. It's impractical for us to check it. So we don't, but if you complain we'll have a look." I can think immediately of the counter-argument: "If you can't do it properly, please don't do it until you can." Nobody's forcing Google to publish user content - it might be profitable for them (or maybe not), but they don't *have* to do it if they can't do it properly.
Free speech is not harmed if publishers are asked to be responsible for what they publish (as you say - google is not a carrier, it's a publisher - it keeps data on its own servers, it doesn't simply provide access to data kept on someone else's servers).
Although I am in arrears on my mortgage, it's because I will not provide my BSD-licensed code with a proprietary licence. I was considering dual-licensing, but Omnifarious told me not to do it. So now I don't have money for the mortgage, but I feel superior.
What always amazes me is that such things get a huge reaction. How many "news" articles are we going to read about comments in code? How many people are going to change the way they write code after reading through these threads?
Here's a summary: 1. Code should be self-documenting 2. But then it doesn't explain WHY 3. But comments are just lies after 10 years 4. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to read (actually I haven't heard that one in a while;-) 5. I hate comments like/* increment i */ 6. Yeah, try reading the code to the nuclear reactor that I'm working on without the comments that refer to the design 7. Why is this news?
I hope this concludes any future articles about commenting code. While we're at it, please don't write 1500-line functions, not every word has a readable abbreviation and there are better ways than nesting 11 if statements.
100% of customers reported that the product made them look and feel 20 years younger(*).
(*) percentage is of customers whose reviews were accepted. Results may differ. The company does not accept any responsibility what-so-ever. Terms and conditions apply.
to be honest I'm actually sick of websites that use html stop they just don't look right on my teleprinter stop less markup and more content is what I say stop
I didn't even know who Siebel was (before checking on Wikipedia), but I think your argument is flawed, regardless of whether LordKazan is right or wrong.
After all, it only took a small child (with no prior achievements) to say that the emperor is not wearing any clothes.
I have no idea whether Siebel is right or wrong, whether his software is great or not and whether i'm in a dead-end job or not (I guess time will tell). But you don't need any credentials to have an opinion and to have that opinion heard. If you want to explain why his opinion is wrong, you don't need any ad hominem arguments.
By the way, my mother being a programmer didn't help at all - she hated "small computers" then and she hates them now.
What did help was: books (including computer magazines of the "good kind", not the kind that tells you what to buy, but the kind that has a program for you to copy and run;-), friends and a modem I got when I was 14 (for BBS's, not the internet).
What I'm saying is that this is not the situation today. If you have internet access, then having the same motivation will get you a lot further. You will find free tools for pretty much everything. And maybe the choice will become a lot harder (should I learn PHP or Ruby? Python or C? Java or LISP?)
But I don't think anyone can or should make this choice for someone else. The internet allows one to explore and to discover, and that's the most enjoyable part of learning and doing - not to be told how and what but to find out yourself.
I do wonder what the discussion is about. How about we discuss the important question "which medical book should be the first to give to a 15-year old"? Or "how did you teach your son double-entry bookkeeping?"
Well, if they're interested, they'll find the way, the language, the tutorials, the inspiration. If they're not interested, leave it. The role of the teacher or the parent is to motivate, encourage and help. Not to dictate how to enjoy your spare time.
When I was growing up, I had only two options: BASIC and assembly. I learned both. I could have just played games and be done with it (of course, I did play games as well), or just leave the computer alone and go and play outside (I also did that). I wasn't told what to do with the computer, even though my mother was (still is) a computer programmer. These days a 15-year old can go to www.google.com and take it from there.
The whole point of enjoying what you're doing is the freedom, that nobody tells you what to do and how to do it. Can you find a better way to kill someone's motivation that to say "don't learn BASIC because GOTOs are considered harmful. Here's the Hyperspec, Real Programmers use LISP"?
"What do you see?" "I see a lonely aging man whose degree was too volatile and who is now being passed by the information age." "You have to look at the paper, not at me."
How can they not give this game the credit it deserves?
One of the few games I almost cried when I finished it - it was the perfect game, I just didn't want it to end.
Have you ever seen any of the following: "You have two ox(en) and six child(ren)"? "You have two ox(s) and six child(s)"? "You have 2 ox and 6 child"?
Why should "2 object(s)" pass as English?
Maybe I'm wrong then, and it *is* "some managerial cluelessness and hard-headness".
Programming is a hassle, isn't it? So many things can go wrong... I still think that a proper output string is probably the easiest part of any program.
I still see the old "1 object(s) processed" (in multiple forms, of course). How hard can it be?
"%d object%s processed", num, num == 1 ? "" : "s"
I even see the odd "1 objects processed" every now and again. How hard can it be?!
I see these things on the PS3 and my blood boils - with the price of the hardware and the games, how can they justify this incompetence? How can a usability tester pass this "object(s)" non-word? Do they also talk like that? "I take two bus or buses to get to work".
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Incredibly enough you were modded 'Flamebait', but I'm actually very interested in a reasonable discussion.
I find a logical problem with the following argument: "We publish user content. It's impractical for us to check it. So we don't, but if you complain we'll have a look." I can think immediately of the counter-argument: "If you can't do it properly, please don't do it until you can." Nobody's forcing Google to publish user content - it might be profitable for them (or maybe not), but they don't *have* to do it if they can't do it properly.
Free speech is not harmed if publishers are asked to be responsible for what they publish (as you say - google is not a carrier, it's a publisher - it keeps data on its own servers, it doesn't simply provide access to data kept on someone else's servers).
Why can't you just obey an AC who told you how to live your life?
When the SNR is negative, is that because the signal is negative, or because the noise is negative?
Don't forget the web framework in Python to be able to get anything done.
Dear Bank Manager,
Although I am in arrears on my mortgage, it's because I will not provide my BSD-licensed code with a proprietary licence. I was considering dual-licensing, but Omnifarious told me not to do it. So now I don't have money for the mortgage, but I feel superior.
That's a lot of code!
What always amazes me is that such things get a huge reaction. How many "news" articles are we going to read about comments in code? How many people are going to change the way they write code after reading through these threads?
;-) /* increment i */
Here's a summary:
1. Code should be self-documenting
2. But then it doesn't explain WHY
3. But comments are just lies after 10 years
4. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to read (actually I haven't heard that one in a while
5. I hate comments like
6. Yeah, try reading the code to the nuclear reactor that I'm working on without the comments that refer to the design
7. Why is this news?
I hope this concludes any future articles about commenting code. While we're at it, please don't write 1500-line functions, not every word has a readable abbreviation and there are better ways than nesting 11 if statements.
Already did. Re-installed the audio drivers, then the operating system. memcheck doesn't show any problems either.
EDIT: Turns out the fan wasn't turning because of dust. I've cleaned it and it works fine now.
Thanks for your help!
MODERATOR NOTE: Topic is closed 2008-05-03.
And leave that penny on the floor...
100% of customers reported that the product made them look and feel 20 years younger(*).
(*) percentage is of customers whose reviews were accepted. Results may differ. The company does not accept any responsibility what-so-ever. Terms and conditions apply.
You mean like the $525m grant Intel received from the Israeli government?
to be honest I'm actually sick of websites that use html stop they just don't look right on my teleprinter stop less markup and more content is what I say stop
Reminds me of the old http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html.
Thanks for that. Now I can get on with my life.
You're both right...
14 is 22% younger than 18 (it's 22% of 18).
18 is 29% older than 14 (it's 29% of 14).
I didn't even know who Siebel was (before checking on Wikipedia), but I think your argument is flawed, regardless of whether LordKazan is right or wrong.
After all, it only took a small child (with no prior achievements) to say that the emperor is not wearing any clothes.
I have no idea whether Siebel is right or wrong, whether his software is great or not and whether i'm in a dead-end job or not (I guess time will tell). But you don't need any credentials to have an opinion and to have that opinion heard. If you want to explain why his opinion is wrong, you don't need any ad hominem arguments.
Yes, I agree.
;-), friends and a modem I got when I was 14 (for BBS's, not the internet).
By the way, my mother being a programmer didn't help at all - she hated "small computers" then and she hates them now.
What did help was: books (including computer magazines of the "good kind", not the kind that tells you what to buy, but the kind that has a program for you to copy and run
What I'm saying is that this is not the situation today. If you have internet access, then having the same motivation will get you a lot further. You will find free tools for pretty much everything. And maybe the choice will become a lot harder (should I learn PHP or Ruby? Python or C? Java or LISP?)
But I don't think anyone can or should make this choice for someone else. The internet allows one to explore and to discover, and that's the most enjoyable part of learning and doing - not to be told how and what but to find out yourself.
Amen to that.
I do wonder what the discussion is about. How about we discuss the important question "which medical book should be the first to give to a 15-year old"? Or "how did you teach your son double-entry bookkeeping?"
Well, if they're interested, they'll find the way, the language, the tutorials, the inspiration. If they're not interested, leave it. The role of the teacher or the parent is to motivate, encourage and help. Not to dictate how to enjoy your spare time.
When I was growing up, I had only two options: BASIC and assembly. I learned both. I could have just played games and be done with it (of course, I did play games as well), or just leave the computer alone and go and play outside (I also did that). I wasn't told what to do with the computer, even though my mother was (still is) a computer programmer. These days a 15-year old can go to www.google.com and take it from there.
The whole point of enjoying what you're doing is the freedom, that nobody tells you what to do and how to do it. Can you find a better way to kill someone's motivation that to say "don't learn BASIC because GOTOs are considered harmful. Here's the Hyperspec, Real Programmers use LISP"?
"What do you see?"
"I see a lonely aging man whose degree was too volatile and who is now being passed by the information age."
"You have to look at the paper, not at me."
How can they not give this game the credit it deserves? One of the few games I almost cried when I finished it - it was the perfect game, I just didn't want it to end.
Now I just have to train my staff to read and write machine code, and it's bye bye COBOL forever!
oblig.
"Forgot prende asked for highly pressing package of power plant profit projections for Pete Porter in Pasadena."
But can you twitter you spreadsheet?
Absolutely worth it.
Have you ever seen any of the following:
"You have two ox(en) and six child(ren)"?
"You have two ox(s) and six child(s)"?
"You have 2 ox and 6 child"?
Why should "2 object(s)" pass as English?
Maybe I'm wrong then, and it *is* "some managerial cluelessness and hard-headness".
Programming is a hassle, isn't it? So many things can go wrong... I still think that a proper output string is probably the easiest part of any program.
How can you not believe programmer incompetence?
I still see the old "1 object(s) processed" (in multiple forms, of course). How hard can it be?
"%d object%s processed", num, num == 1 ? "" : "s"
I even see the odd "1 objects processed" every now and again. How hard can it be?!
I see these things on the PS3 and my blood boils - with the price of the hardware and the games, how can they justify this incompetence? How can a usability tester pass this "object(s)" non-word? Do they also talk like that? "I take two bus or buses to get to work".