So you're complaining that id can't be bothered to actually package their software for Linux, when they do it for Windows?
They could provide one RPM package, and let that be all. If they wanted to be nice they could provide a Debian package as well. But they don't. I just don't see how that means that 'Linux Sucks'.
I know NO open source programmers that worship IBM. Including Red Hat, Novell, Ximian, Debian, GNOME and KDE guys and gals. Your troll of a parent was not being hypocritical, just controversial. Oh, and your pedantism really makes you look good.
I certainly agree that it's better that Apple restricted their restriction to only apply when you sue them. Sugar-coated or not, however, it is still a restriction and places the license outside of the realm of Free Software licenses.
I'm okay with the GPLv2, yes. The difference between the GPLv2's "Trojan horse" clauses and the APSLv2's is simple: the GPLv2's exist to keep the software free to all by limiting individual freedoms to "embrace and extend" whereas the APSLv2's exist to limit individual freedoms of use for... what purpose again? Certainly not the greater good...
And the definition of "acting ethically" is certainly not exactly the same as the definition of "acting within the constraints of patent law as it pertains to software". In any case, if I'm interested in the code at all there's a chance that I hold a patent of which Apple is in violation. That means I can either sue Apple, or use the code. This restriction makes the license nonfree.
(the term 'individual' is used here in the context of copyright law, not the census)
I really wish Apple would fix their "open source" license, so then I could actually praise them for contributing (and maybe start caring about launchd). Read this snippet of APSL-2:
12.1 Termination. This License and the rights granted hereunder will
terminate:
...
(c) automatically without notice from Apple if You, at any time during the term of this License, commence an action for patent infringement against Apple; provided that Apple did not first commence an action for patent infringement against You in that instance.
That's right, any patent-related lawsuit against Apple voids the license. There are other issues, like the "Tentacles of Evil" clause. Despite what OSI and the FSF says, this license is nonfree. Relevant discussion
The APSL does not play well with OSS. If I hack on APSL code, and then end up suing Apple for, say, anything, even if it's unrelated to the software, I lose my rights to use that software. An old link that still rings true.
So you'll be dropping GNOME from JDS and Solaris then? Oh, and all the rest of the GPL software you use too. You don't want to be a hypocrite now, do you Johnny?
Don't forget that Red Hat has been using Python extensively in its Enterprise Linux releases for years now. Stuff like the system-config tools and... the installer.:)
I saw one at EmperorLinux's booth at LinuxWorld not too long ago. While the pseudo-3D display tech is interesting, it unfortunately comes with a quit-ugly interlaced look - like a TV.
At LWE in Boston, a Gartner rep spent about 40 minutes at the Debian booth - I was just out of earshot so I don't know what was said, but it made me smile:)
You missed the point. Realize that you could s/Mepis/Ubuntu/ in both your post and your parent's and the meaning would be the same. Desktop-oriented Debian-based distros are niiiice.
Fedora is great, too, but people usually want to see what they're getting into before they install it. That means you want a live CD.
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One 2KW bulb for up to 4 very large plants is common. If you have a barn with 100 plants, you'd better watch out :/
So you're complaining that id can't be bothered to actually package their software for Linux, when they do it for Windows?
They could provide one RPM package, and let that be all. If they wanted to be nice they could provide a Debian package as well. But they don't. I just don't see how that means that 'Linux Sucks'.
I know NO open source programmers that worship IBM. Including Red Hat, Novell, Ximian, Debian, GNOME and KDE guys and gals. Your troll of a parent was not being hypocritical, just controversial. Oh, and your pedantism really makes you look good.
Seriously, how the fuck is this Offtopic? I second the parent. I began to appreciate Futurama far too late.
Er, most LEDs are not Liquid Crystal, but solid-state.
A single seven-segment LED*? Sounds a little too simple ;P
* Yeah, it's LED... LCD "segments" are pixels.
I certainly agree that it's better that Apple restricted their restriction to only apply when you sue them. Sugar-coated or not, however, it is still a restriction and places the license outside of the realm of Free Software licenses.
I'm okay with the GPLv2, yes. The difference between the GPLv2's "Trojan horse" clauses and the APSLv2's is simple: the GPLv2's exist to keep the software free to all by limiting individual freedoms to "embrace and extend" whereas the APSLv2's exist to limit individual freedoms of use for... what purpose again? Certainly not the greater good...
And the definition of "acting ethically" is certainly not exactly the same as the definition of "acting within the constraints of patent law as it pertains to software". In any case, if I'm interested in the code at all there's a chance that I hold a patent of which Apple is in violation. That means I can either sue Apple, or use the code. This restriction makes the license nonfree.
(the term 'individual' is used here in the context of copyright law, not the census)
You think I'm talking about "using OS X" ? No, sorry, this is about using Apple's "open source" code. Might be on OS X, might be elsewhere.
I think you meant 10e-99, cowboy.
Yeah, I read that part. How does it make a difference, exactly?
It seems I slightly mislead you - only patent-related lawsuits void the license. Here's a deconstruction of APSL-2.
The APSL does not play well with OSS. If I hack on APSL code, and then end up suing Apple for, say, anything, even if it's unrelated to the software, I lose my rights to use that software. An old link that still rings true.
Your world view stems from a stale novel written by Anonymous Coward. My view stems from compassion and understanding. Thank you, come again.
Why do you think DVDs are generally region-coded?
So you'll be dropping GNOME from JDS and Solaris then? Oh, and all the rest of the GPL software you use too. You don't want to be a hypocrite now, do you Johnny?
Zack
Don't forget that Red Hat has been using Python extensively in its Enterprise Linux releases for years now. Stuff like the system-config tools and... the installer. :)
I must say that Zope is extremely impressive, but what made me dpkg -P it was the fact that I had to use ftp to upload to localhost...
That's not a complete mirror :(
This is missing.
Ooh. New sig time.
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Credit given, of course
I saw one at EmperorLinux's booth at LinuxWorld not too long ago. While the pseudo-3D display tech is interesting, it unfortunately comes with a quit-ugly interlaced look - like a TV.
I'll wait, I guess.
At LWE in Boston, a Gartner rep spent about 40 minutes at the Debian booth - I was just out of earshot so I don't know what was said, but it made me smile :)
You missed the point. Realize that you could s/Mepis/Ubuntu/ in both your post and your parent's and the meaning would be the same. Desktop-oriented Debian-based distros are niiiice.
Fedora is great, too, but people usually want to see what they're getting into before they install it. That means you want a live CD.
Apparently you lack a sense-of-humor-detector. Wait, was that humor? I can't even detect my own now. :(
I guess I won't let you borrow mine, then...