Yes! If I was a current moderator I'd 've given you all 5 of my points. Well said. But I think you need to reserve a spot in that cell for the Congress too.
And perhaps we write for different reasons. I write to communicate, not to send my readers on a wild goose chase through google.
I can not write. Sadly, it is not one of the skills I possess.
But I still believe that a constatntly changing, volatile, and adapting internet is an order of magnitude improvement over a static never self regulating research library.
You write better than I do. You may even be right about this issue. But if you ever chased a wild goose through google, I think your skills are at fault. I get a bit passionate on this but I think Google, and more importantly groups.google, is a greater cultural acheivment than the genome project.
There has to be a balance between so chaotic that noone can find anything, and so static that nothing ever changes.
I agree.
The author has a legitimate complaint. In writing a scientific article you select the best resources that you feel your audience needs to know about
That's where I disagree....kind of. In the olden days an author had to quote the "best resource" that the audience needed to know about, yes. With out the specific source being quoted the author and the audience were adrift in a sea of ideas. Today that source is the internet. If the author tells me that a particular team, at a particular lab has published a paper on a topic, then I don't need him quoting a web page. I will use Google and any other web based resource to find the web page myself. And if that resource is missing I will tell the internet community that the resource is missing and the author, or the community, will set me straight. This is dynamic information interchange. Self monitoring, self documenting, self governing, and self correcting. It doesn't need to be static. Not here. Not for this purpose.
At the risk of sounding melodramatic, the internet is something so much greater than the article's author comprehends. The internet is not a horse and buggy that goes real-real fast, and flies over water, and has a really big wagon on the back. The internet is an explosion of the human consciousness. When it becomes static (and the RIAA and our neo-totalitarian governments are trying very hard to make it so) when it becomes static, it will be dead.
Chaos is good.
Everyone whom I've heard express an opinion, from freeloaders through customers to industry critics, have said that your recent marketing machinations are poorly thought out. Would you be willing to rethink your business strategy and reverse your current direction?
Why do the/. powers-that-be continue to link to articles from OSNews? This is not a rhetorical question. I'm sorry to be so brutish but Eugenia's articles are simply not worth reading. They're not informative, they're not interesting, they are not well written, they are not even good for flamebait. Is this continued linking to OSNew's non-reviews some geekish howard-cosell type insider joke?
And I've got one too.
I've been using Linux since '91. And this year alone I've installed about 20 to 30 different systems using, RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, Slackware, FreeBSD (yeah, I know...), my favourite: gentoo, and I tried to install Debian once. All of the installs, except for the Debian, went without a hitch. I really wanted to give Debian a try as a few of my friends, whom I respect, have been Debian users for a while. But natch. No go. I've kept the disks and labeled them Caveat Emptor. Now I am certain Debian is not reeeeeally as bad as I think it is. But to tell me to get behind Debian right now is like telling me to get behind Belkin. Not this year.
And notice the phrase "during the installation process". Like they weren't doing something everybody does.
What they aren't admitting to now is that it's not just during the installation process that they were spamming their customers.
All these posts are saying the same thing, "RedHat, this is stupid.". Mark Twain wrote; If one man calls you an ass, don't listen to him. If ten men call you an ass, buy yourself a saddle.
It was the free distro that made RedHat what it is today. And it was these people who are telling RedHat that this move is stupid who made RedHat what it is today. The question remaining to be answered is: Has RedHat outgrown the nest? I don't think so.
There's also some logic to losing a battle to win the war. I don't know if Chrysler is making any money on the Viper. But I know that with out the Viper Chrysler would be less of a company. It's the Viper, and about 5 other cars, that keep the customers thinking, "Buy Chrysler". Without the Viper they'd just be Oldsmobile. Oh, wait....
And for the record: I've paid my 60 bucks to RedHat, then switched to gentoo.
Tens of millions of Americans got up off their lazy asses (I'm one of them) to scream at you to STOP CALLING THEM! You're absolutely right, not a lot of sympathy.
I typically avoid OSNews because of the poor quality of their writing, but this article hit a new low. After struggling to understand Eurenia's first question I switched to reading Pennington's answers only.
Maybe someone should suggest the opensource community sponsor a few AntiRIAA ads? Perhaps a listing of Congreslaves who've sold out to the RIAA. I'd kick in a few bucks for that. Even if it is preaching to the choir.
I read this morning that the participants at http://www.bookcrossing.com have recently released their 500,000th book into the wild. Currently they're releasing over 10,000 books a week. And they're scaring some of the people in the publishing industry.
I'm thinking of taking all of my cds and releasing them into the wild with a small ad between the disk and the cover explaining the dangerous behaviour of the RIAA in cooperation with our governments. The ad will then ask the finder that if they enjoy the found cd that they participate in a do-not-buy campaign and call their governmental representatives and express their opinion.
I wish there were a bookcrossing.com type organisation for cds to connect with.
Not that I don't agree with the spirit of what you wrote but... It's more profitable to compete against Microsoft because the user base is 20 times larger. A 10 percent slice of the Windows app market is larger than a monopoly in the Apple app market.
I bought one of those two hundred dollars Microtels for my boy. 200 bucks? How could I go wrong. I'm very happy with it - for a two hundred dollar computer. Fan's loud as hell. A freind at work bought one as well. He's quite satisfied.
I know that I'm not the only former Opera user that has since switched to Mozilla Firebird.
No, you're not alone. I was in the same boat. I'm all for Opera succeeding; I hope it's a killer browser. But 6 was such a bad experience for me,and Moz works so well, that I don't really have any incentive to give 7 a try.
P.S. Actually I like Konqueror the best of anything I've tried but it's awfully slow on my machines.
"As this newspaper... observed in 1857: "It is a very sad thing unquestionably that railways, which mechanically have succeeded beyond anticipation and are quite wonderful for their general utility and convenience, should have failed commercially.""
Huh? Railroading had only begun to be an economic juggernaut by 1857. Using this analogy IT has an hundred years to reach it's full potential.
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I'm saving your post for future reference. Thank you.
Yes! If I was a current moderator I'd 've given you all 5 of my points. Well said. But I think you need to reserve a spot in that cell for the Congress too.
People brought their pitchforks to this weenie roast too.
... in droves.
Sorry. I should have resisted.
But I still believe that a constatntly changing, volatile, and adapting internet is an order of magnitude improvement over a static never self regulating research library.
You write better than I do. You may even be right about this issue. But if you ever chased a wild goose through google, I think your skills are at fault. I get a bit passionate on this but I think Google, and more importantly groups.google, is a greater cultural acheivment than the genome project.
At the risk of sounding melodramatic, the internet is something so much greater than the article's author comprehends. The internet is not a horse and buggy that goes real-real fast, and flies over water, and has a really big wagon on the back. The internet is an explosion of the human consciousness. When it becomes static (and the RIAA and our neo-totalitarian governments are trying very hard to make it so) when it becomes static, it will be dead. Chaos is good.
This is as great of a cultural outrage as when the Taleban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha.
Everyone whom I've heard express an opinion, from freeloaders through customers to industry critics, have said that your recent marketing machinations are poorly thought out. Would you be willing to rethink your business strategy and reverse your current direction?
Why do the /. powers-that-be continue to link to articles from OSNews? This is not a rhetorical question. I'm sorry to be so brutish but Eugenia's articles are simply not worth reading. They're not informative, they're not interesting, they are not well written, they are not even good for flamebait. Is this continued linking to OSNew's non-reviews some geekish howard-cosell type insider joke?
And I've got one too. I've been using Linux since '91. And this year alone I've installed about 20 to 30 different systems using, RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, Slackware, FreeBSD (yeah, I know...), my favourite: gentoo, and I tried to install Debian once. All of the installs, except for the Debian, went without a hitch. I really wanted to give Debian a try as a few of my friends, whom I respect, have been Debian users for a while. But natch. No go. I've kept the disks and labeled them Caveat Emptor. Now I am certain Debian is not reeeeeally as bad as I think it is. But to tell me to get behind Debian right now is like telling me to get behind Belkin. Not this year.
And notice the phrase "during the installation process". Like they weren't doing something everybody does. What they aren't admitting to now is that it's not just during the installation process that they were spamming their customers.
I agree with AC. Brilliantly stated.
Would be called a rose.
Telling me Fedora is RedHat is stupid.
If Fedora is RedHat,
its RedHat,
not Fedora.
All these posts are saying the same thing, "RedHat, this is stupid.". Mark Twain wrote; If one man calls you an ass, don't listen to him. If ten men call you an ass, buy yourself a saddle.
It was the free distro that made RedHat what it is today. And it was these people who are telling RedHat that this move is stupid who made RedHat what it is today. The question remaining to be answered is: Has RedHat outgrown the nest? I don't think so.
There's also some logic to losing a battle to win the war. I don't know if Chrysler is making any money on the Viper. But I know that with out the Viper Chrysler would be less of a company. It's the Viper, and about 5 other cars, that keep the customers thinking, "Buy Chrysler". Without the Viper they'd just be Oldsmobile. Oh, wait....
And for the record: I've paid my 60 bucks to RedHat, then switched to gentoo.
Tens of millions of Americans got up off their lazy asses (I'm one of them) to scream at you to STOP CALLING THEM! You're absolutely right, not a lot of sympathy.
Agreed. Without the last sentence this submission would have been newsworthy. With that last sentence the article is no better than troll bait.
Maybe I don't notice to good, but since when has an obvious troll been posted as an article on slashdot?
I typically avoid OSNews because of the poor quality of their writing, but this article hit a new low. After struggling to understand Eurenia's first question I switched to reading Pennington's answers only.
Maybe someone should suggest the opensource community sponsor a few AntiRIAA ads? Perhaps a listing of Congreslaves who've sold out to the RIAA. I'd kick in a few bucks for that. Even if it is preaching to the choir.
I'm thinking of taking all of my cds and releasing them into the wild with a small ad between the disk and the cover explaining the dangerous behaviour of the RIAA in cooperation with our governments. The ad will then ask the finder that if they enjoy the found cd that they participate in a do-not-buy campaign and call their governmental representatives and express their opinion.
I wish there were a bookcrossing.com type organisation for cds to connect with.
Not that I don't agree with the spirit of what you wrote but... It's more profitable to compete against Microsoft because the user base is 20 times larger. A 10 percent slice of the Windows app market is larger than a monopoly in the Apple app market.
I wouldn't either.
I bought one of those two hundred dollars Microtels for my boy. 200 bucks? How could I go wrong. I'm very happy with it - for a two hundred dollar computer. Fan's loud as hell. A freind at work bought one as well. He's quite satisfied.
phr2, didn't you mean, "I think there are yet more LAWYERS to this madness waiting to be unpeeled." ?
No, you're not alone. I was in the same boat. I'm all for Opera succeeding; I hope it's a killer browser. But 6 was such a bad experience for me,and Moz works so well, that I don't really have any incentive to give 7 a try.
P.S. Actually I like Konqueror the best of anything I've tried but it's awfully slow on my machines.
"As this newspaper ... observed in 1857: "It is a very sad thing unquestionably that railways, which mechanically have succeeded beyond anticipation and are quite wonderful for their general utility and convenience, should have failed commercially.""
Huh? Railroading had only begun to be an economic juggernaut by 1857. Using this analogy IT has an hundred years to reach it's full potential.