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Opera Releases Version 7 For Linux
Wee writes "I happened to notice this morning that Opera 7 for Linux has been released. New features include fastforward and rewind, the ability to take notes in conjuction with web pages, a cookie manager, a password manager, and a very serviceable integrated email client called M2 (which was previously only available for the Windows version). Version 7 of Opera also represents a complete code rewrite, from the rendering engine up, and the improvements are fairly significant. Mirrors for debs, rpms and tarballs are on Opera's download page."
Wasn't version 7 for linux released about a month ago? I know I remember the slashdot articles :p
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/12/224822 3&mode=thread
Does this version still display the MSN homepage in Sweedish Chef?
Then what the hell is it?
All of that new functionality, and I still can only send the equivalent of postcards -- Opera's M2 Email client doesn't have any support for PGP or GPG at all.
:)
While their initial betas were pretty shaky, this "gold" build is very stable and looks terrific. Once they get the PGP/GPG thing sorted out, I'll have to evaluate it against Mozilla and see which I like more
"To make a mistake is only human; to persist in a mistake is idiotic." Cicero
I am a registered user of the Win/Linux versions. I am pretty disappointed. It has some unique features, but if you do much ecommerce, etc on the web, you will have to have another browser (i.e. MSN Money, etc, I know the evil M$). I did the advocacy thing, but had to get work done. I also don't appreciate their licensing model that is pretty Microsoft-ish. My question is why a closed, not free product gets a plug every time they put out a new release? Is this one of those nested advertisements?
No, but its definitly worth paying for.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
True it may not be open source, But No one claimed that it was free software. Heck, the title for slashdot even says, News for nerd, Stuff that Matters. It dosent say, all free software.
Great. By releasing this newwer version of Opera, they are helping them get themselves more credit in the browser market. This will make it harder for designers to make the point that IE is the most used browser, so we will target only them, an idea of the past. Its hurting the Microsoft monopoly. I support this move all the way. It will make content more execessable to Linux users, but in the process will force people to make their information accessable to everyone without IE by weaning away from their IE only technologies (like VBScript, ActiveX controls, ASP.NET objects designed just for IE, and a number of other MS only techs). I don't personally like Opera but I use Mozilla (mostly the Firebird/Phonix version).
No.
Obviously, that's not what I want.
Is the RELEASE better in this respect?
Rainer
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
The first Opera 7 release on Linux is version 7.11, bringing Opera for Linux up to the same level of development as Windows, with Opera 7.11 for Windows being released just last week.
Hah!
Life in Orange County
When I use it, it just doesn't feel right. It's too different from Mozilla/IE. I can't really explain what it is, but... it's just odd.
Fat lady in viking hat not included.
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Anybody know if Opera supports jpeg2000 (.jp2)? There's an enhancement request for Mozilla, but I don't think it's going anywhere. And it's rumoured that Konq will have some kind of support in version 3.2. What about Opera?
To fix this, you have to "rpm -Uvh openmotif21-2.1.30-6.i386.rpm" from one of your Red Hat install CDs (yep, the older openmotif21 RPM is not installed by default on Red Hat 8.0). Sadly, this crucial dependency problem is not mentioned on either the download page or the FAQ, but is buried in their knowledge base here. Hope this helps folks struggling out there...
I used to use Opera a lot. Primarily due to the fact that I could have it open up with all my web pages at once. Now that I can do this with Mozilla, I no longer use Opera. The only thing I still miss are the mouse gestures.
Warning! The slice of pizza I had for lunch wasn't free either.
Some things are just worth paying for.
From what I've read, people have had 50/50 success with getting flash working correctly. Sort of the same thing that's been haunting Firebird/Phoenix.
So my question is, have you gotten Flash to run correctly under the new Opera, and more importantly, why are there so many problems with these fringe browsers and Flash?
Loomis
"The television is the retina of the mind's eye" - Videodrome
It's nice that Opera is independant of the wintel world, but it doesn't deserve half the play it gets in the press or here on slashdot. Additionally most Slashdotters probably either suck up IE because they don't care or go open source with any number of alternates.
Want to see something really funny? Install any version of Opera from 7.0b2 on a windows machine with Adobe Type Manager installed. Open Opera and it shows pages in all sorts of wacky fonts, from webdings to other symbol based font libraries. And on top of that it changes per site and per session!
Opera doesn't offer any value whatsoever, and I'm boggled people pay for it. It isn't as fast or technologically agile as other free browsers (Moz being an example), it's bug riddled (hitting back forward back quickly crashes it), and it's heinous looking.
Didn't teh bubble teach anyone anything? VALUE IS KING.
-rt
# ln -s ../../X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/local/lib/libXm.so.2
# ldconfig
# rpm --nodeps -ivh opera-7.11-20030515.4-shared-qt.i386.rpm
Works perfectly, as far as I can tell.
How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
Have you tried Optimoz Mouse Gestures?
Google doesn't index user sigs, so stop trying to "Google Bomb" with them.
Every new Opera version is a complete rewrite. That says something right there.
Check out the Mozilla Mouse Gestures project. I don't use Opera, so I'm not sure if it reproduces all Opera gestures, but knowing Mozilla, there will be a very awkward but powerful way to customize it the way you like... - Eric
Customer: Waiter, there's a fly in my pizza!
Waiter: What do you expect, sir, we bought our pizzas from the corner shop!
Customer: Waiter, there's a fly in my pizza!
Waiter: That's a very diplomatic way of putting it. Shall I ask that Coon opposite you to leave?
Customer: Waiter, there's a coon in my coon!
Waiter: Never mind the coon! Get your coon out of my coons, sir!
...when you don't care about being correct. I grabbed a copy of 7.11 to see what's what. It's still blazingly fast, but can't render DOM/JS heavy content that both Mozilla and MSIE can.
It looks like they have indeed given up on working on the Mac version.
? pl atform=mac
http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/index.dml
I don't think a lot of Mac users will miss it, however. With Safari doing the things that people would have bought Opera for, its a tough sell. Of course, Opera could have made it better for themselves by making a browser that wasn't dog slow on the Mac.
Does this mean Opera is now available under the GPL? Have you liberated it?
KDE 3.1.2 was released today. Gentoo users are already using and it is quite nice! Too bad you guys are still waiting for the KDE3 debs to arrive in sarge. For about a year, now.
Note the RedHat 7 RPMs will not install either, it has the wrong path for the qt3 libraries.
DZM
Opera Software ASA
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NO-0175 OSLO
NORWAY
Nice work, asshole. You should get cancer and die.
What I would like to know is does the Adobe SVG plugin work with Opera?
I guess it is a sign of the times, when the latest Opera versions for Linux are released much sooner then the same release for OS X.
Real men don't need signitures!!!
Yeah, Opera's also A LOT better than Mozilla. (Less buggy, more advanced e-mail filtering, less crash prone, you cango back and forward by just using the "z" & "x" keys instead of giving yourself carpal tunnel from using a mouse etc etc.
Finally Opera is free if you don't mind a banner ad.
Some people think television is "free" even though they pay double for things at the supermarket that have been advertised on TV!
Read dude!
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Opera has a lot going for it.
In the past, Opera made a name for itself by being a smaller, faster browser. That's still true, but now it also has a superior feature set that elevates it above all browsers.
Som of the better features include:
Sessions - allow you to open up many different pages at once, either at startup or at any time;
Mouse gestures - semi-intuitive mouse click and movement patterns that allow you to go back (hold down right mouse button, click the left one), go forward (hold down left mouse button, click the right one), etc, that greatly speed up the browsing experience;
Notes - just what the name suggests; this lets you save and enter snippets of text to and from a browser window;
M2 mail client - integrated mail client with spam filtering and POP3, IMAP, and ESMTP support;
Wand - a fantastic password manager that saves lots of time when logging into sites;
Transfers - a decent download manager; and
Fast Forward and Rewind - lets you navigae forward automatically using the most obvious link (which can great but can also be a bit hit and miss sometimes).
That's not an exhaustive list, it's just some of the features that I've found in Opera that make me love it. Yes, some of these features can be found in Mozilla but, equally, some of them can't.
And while Opera might not be free, it's not exactly a rip-off either. True, there is an ad-supported version that won't cost you anything (and that doesn't impact on your surfing speed - check out the Opera website to find out why) but when a product's this good and "just works", why not support the developers by buying it?
If you haven't already tried Opera then do it right away. Give it a month or two and you'll never want to go back to MSIE, Netscape, Mozilla or whatever else you've been using.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Ahh, that reminds me of the time freshman year my roommate came in drunk and thought my chair was a urinal. I shit you not. If he wasn't a weight lifter I would've kicked his ass. Instead I settled for drawing his picture on my desk during class with arrows going into his head.
I just installed the beta last night!
I uploaded 7.11 this morning, actually... and the differences are AMAZING! The rendering is VASTLY improved! Not giving up Mozilla completely, yet, but I'll be browsing with Opera for the next week to give it a fair shake.
-ZOD-
Customer: Waiter, there's a fly in my asshole!
Waiter: What do you expect, sir, we bought our assholes from the corner shop!
Customer: Waiter, there's a cock in my asshole!
Waiter: That's a very diplomatic way of putting it. Shall I ask that Coon opposite you to leave?
Customer: Waiter, there's a cock in my coon!
Waiter: Never mind the coon! Get your cock out of my asshole, sir!
Rather than just some assertions?
Opera simply works in the vast majority of cases for me.
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You could at least have posted a serial number that actually works!
Is there any way to configure it to create real windows instead of virtual windows inside a single X11 window?
That's always stopped me dead cold - my window manager should run the show..
Not while Mozilla and Firebird are free.
[checks to see if Satan is skating]
Please help metamoderate.
I just tried Opera for the first time. After 10 minutes of playing around with it, I'm ready to switch. It's free-as-in-beer, if your willing to look at a half banner ad in the upper right corner. Totally free software is great, but I don't mind closed source if you get what you pay for and the vendor doesn't try to lock you in or obstruct competition.
Such a user would just use the pre-installed copies of Mozilla or Konqueror much like the similar lemming-type winDOS user.
OTOH, one could just download the "static zipfile" and not have to worry about such issues.
Your blatherings would be more appropriately directed towards the Win32 versions of Opera or Mozilla.
Comparing 3rd party packages to bundleware based on "ease of installation" is just plain LAME.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I clicked through the banner but they still didn't free the source.
You mean the Win32 versions of Opera, Mozilla, and Opera that install by clicking on "setup.exe"?
I tried this also on my RH9 system and yes, it forced the install but I still have problems. Only root can run Opera and I get a message complaining of a segmentation fault and it does not find my java installation which I have.
It seems very very fast but I also seem to have some font problems. The menu bar fonts are very small and the rest of the page seems a size or two large.
I really want to use Opera but these install problems are simply not acceptable. I had to pay up another $15 to upgrade from 6 to 7 and this shouldn't be happening.
I've only got the Windows version to go on at the moment but Opera 7 can window every which way you like. Tabs, subwindows or top level windows in whatever mixture you choose.
In this respect Opera have done a great job in sidestepping any doctrinal war and just letting each user work however suits them best.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
mozilla=firebird real soon now.
ie, 1 browser not 2.
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Not trying to be a troll here.. I really liked Opera 6.x, but I always found the fonts difficult to read, so I ended up using Mozilla more frequently. Have there been many (any?) improvements with 7.11 that don't require a lot of adjustments to the default settings?
It means that 36 keys or so on my keyboard that could be used for a variety of navigation/other functions are instead reserved for one single function. To me this seems an incredibly inefficient way of using the keyboard.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Cookie manager, password manager, skinning, fine, fine.
This is the part I actually care about:
The standards support in Opera 7 has been improved with added support for DOM level 2 and CSS2; improved ECMAScript and HTML 4.01 support; and complete WML 1.3 and 2.0 support. Opera 7 also handles non-standard pages using DHTML, giving Opera's millions of old and new users a hassle-free Internet experience.
That is what's important to me. What I ultimately want to hear is that Opera can render everything Internet Explorer 6.0 can, if not more. Most websites are designed with IE in mind--like it or not, the dominant browser drives website innovation, not the W3C. It's not right, but that's how it is.
The only way I would ever switch to Opera would be if I knew I was going to have the same, or better, viewing functionalty as IE. It looks as if they're finally making progress in this respect.
The coolest voice ever.
Ironically enough, my Opera crashed on me when I viewed this... Looks like there's still some work to do ;)
Get Mozilla Firebird, it's free.
I will not be upgrading to 7.0 any time soon.
Not just because i'd have to upgrade my registration key to get rid of the ads, but because the entire ui just feels dumb. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.
I don't like the new UI. If they release a skin that makes it look and behave like opera 6 (or, better yet, 5), maybe I might consider it then, but they also dumbed down the configuration interface.
Great to hear that it's a complete rewrite. I guess now they'll never fix the ECMA bugs in 6.12.
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
This is something I have been waiting for forever. I mean I dont mind the plain opt for scroll, but the opt-mod in transparency is JUST KICK ASS when attached to the left scroll device feature. Man it used to be gustures, but I can really see this taking aff as more users find ways to use it!
stay away it's not free as in beer or as in food or as in whatever the tired cliche is holy siht
"Warning! Opera isn't free software."
Warning! It's ad-supported so you don't need to pay cash for it!
(note: It's the good kind of ad-supported, i.e. no pop-ups/unders or anything like that. Just a reserved part of Opera's real-estate.)
"Derp de derp."
"Why will I pay when there is Mozilla/Phoenix?"
Because it's better (depending on taste and usage of course) ?
95% of the software I use is free, but some shareware really IS worth registering, at least to me.
By the way, the ads that opera displays are ridiculously inobtrusive, I NEVER look at them.
So for all that matters, it IS free.
Very trendy stuff these days. It's right up there with
So long, michael. Don't let the door hit you...
I use Opera 7.11 on Windoze and I can't make heads or tails of your post. What is opt-mod and what is left-scrolling?:)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
I found that an advantage of Opera gestures is that you use them by clicking the right mouse button. In Mozilla you have to use the left mouse button if you want to get anything usable out of the gestures which is still a bit awkward. Configuring them for the right button combines the gestures with the context menu which just doesn't work. Also Opera captures the gestures much better than Mozilla that doesn't figure out the gesture pretty often.
Unless disabling "Find as you type" enables the sort of rich keyboard interface that Opera provides that doesn't really get me anywhere though...
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Or the Linux version that you install by running "install.sh".
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Adware is only free if your bandwidth has no value.
"Warning! The slice of pizza I had for lunch wasn't free either.
Some things are just worth paying for."
Sex must have bankrupt you then.
nt
Not just that; I still haven't been able to make it run with my university's IMAP server. Which is a pity though; was playing around with it with another POP mailbox I have, and the M2 stuff looks terrific.
[Note that I'm not saying that it's unworkable with any IMAP server; just that I haven't been able to get it working. Time to buy a student licence and mail the developers, you'd think. ;-) ]
More than mere navel gazing.
That's nothing!
Ninnle users have had it running for weeks now!
Using the tag already in html, with the next relation provides this. Also, type-ahead find doesn't have anything to do with url auto-completion. It has to do with finding links/text in a webpage.
What's with all these silly assed coon jokes, anyway?
All they do is to get in the way of my plugs for the great Ninnle Linux!
Unless you count multiple crash inducing bugs as features. :)
-rt
I am so retro, I must be the coolest of the cool!
I browse the internet using my Commodore 64!
or, get apt-rpm from, say http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org, and then from the command line
sudo apt-get install openmotif21
and it will be magically installed.
Customer: Waiter, there's a coon in my Linux!
Waiter: What do you expect, sir, we bought our Linux from the corner shop!
Customer: Waiter, there's a coon in my Linux!
Waiter: That's a very diplomatic way of putting it. Shall I ask that Coon opposite you to leave?
Customer: Waiter, there's a copy of Ninnle Linux in my goathole!
Waiter: I guess it must be one of them plugs, sir!
Nooooo! They're evil, too!
Netscape/Mozilla/Firebird/Explorer /Konqueror are good enough for me. So I would rather donate that 40$ to charity than buying a web browser.
real soon now = a couple days ago.
Jeremy
Lucky you, the pizza I had was awful, excuse me while i go barf...
It seems to work here. Oh, and it seems to work here too.
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Try this:
.js. install flash. and restore your .js. Supposedly newer builds don't have this problem. Heh, what a build to pick of the .6 release.
flash installer ruins all.js
Essentially copy your
As a software geek I have one question about Opera 7: Did they improve the W3C DOM support which has been lacking in prior versions? I am mostly a back end Java programmer, but occasionally I am asked to write web pages and Opera compatibility is often a problem with DHTML because they support a relatively small subset of W3C DOM and lie about browser versions in the HTTP headers.
Oh, wait, I did.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
now with free spyware!
Every win2k machine I have ever installed it on I have to turn of JAVA support or the broweser crashed constantly.. kinda sad actually.
Oh well..
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
It sounds like someone needs to upgrade from that old 14.4 modem...
Hooray, Opera doesn't mangle www.cba.com.au like Mozilla does.
Yeah, Opera's also A LOT better than Mozilla. (Less buggy, more advanced e-mail filtering, less crash prone, you cango back and forward by just using the "z" & "x" keys instead of giving yourself carpal tunnel from using a mouse etc etc.
FYI, Netscape, Mozilla, and IE support going backwards and fowards by using Alt+Left Arrow to go backwards and Alt+Right Arrow to go forwards. Works wonderfully, and doesn't require a mouse.
bloated, ugly and slow or small, nice and fast!
Opera's an interesting browser, but under Linux it's slower to run and takes longer to start up than Firebird. In addition, I'm not entirely sure how to get anti-aliased fonts working on it, which is somewhat of a must. So for me, it doesn't meet Mozilla's standards. Does it start up any faster on Windows?
Time to buy a student licence and mail the developers, you'd think. ;-)
You don't need to buy a license to report a bug. And you could also try news.opera.no and get some help there.
There's a bug in how Opera handles encrypted SMTP also - but we've posted a description of the error in their forum and it'll "hopefully" be fixed in 7.20 ..
(For the interested: Opera does not send a second EHLO after STARTTLS, thus quits since it didn't find an AUTH the first time around)
it's in my head
How does this have anything to do with this?
You can get Opera for free much in the same way you could perhaps get some free pizza (beer is a more commonly used example). Sure, there are some ads, but who cares?
The original poster almost certainly wasn't referring to that kind of freedom.
He wants the Pizza recipe. He wants to be able to give it to his friends too.
Free software is really worth paying much more than proprietary.
This is possible because Opera has two great features: 1. On Windows at least (I have no idea about the Linux version), it installs cleanly to a directory. There are no hard coded registry keys or such. Everything is under the installation directory. 2. It has a great crash recovery feature. If a PC (or just Opera) crash for whatever reason, I just relaunch it and it will get me back to exactly where I was before the crash, and all the pages loaded from cache. If you want to do the same, here is the trick: 1. Install Opera to a directory in your USB flash card, ie, K:\Opera 2. Configure all that you want. 3. That is it. Now, the only thing that is hard coded in the installation is the drive letter (K in the example above), so when you go to the other machine, just issue the DOS command "SUBST G: K:\". This will give you a new drive named K: pointing to the actual USB drive, which is G: in the example. Have fun.
This is possible because Opera has two great features:
1. On Windows at least (I have no idea about the Linux version), it installs cleanly to a directory. There are no hard coded registry keys or such. Everything is under the installation directory.
2. It has a great crash recovery feature. If a PC (or just Opera) crashes for whatever reason, I just relaunch it and it will get me back to exactly where I was before the crash, and all the pages will load from the up-to-the-minute cache.
If you want to do the same, here is the trick:
1. Install Opera to a directory in your USB memory stick, ie, K:\Opera
2. Configure all that you want.
3. That is it. Now, the only thing that is hard coded in the installation is the drive letter (K in the example above), so when you go to the other machine, just issue the DOS command "SUBST G: K:\".
This will give you a new drive named K: pointing to the actual USB drive, which is G: in the example.
Now I have my favorite browser, my links, and the web papges I was reading last all in my key ring. Can't say I can do this with any other browser.
Have fun.
""We are continuing to work on the Mac version," said Tetzchner in an interview."
Clever signature text goes here.
Opera 6/Linux had always been substandard, IMO. The interface was clunky and unneccessarily big, the font management was bad, and it was very unsynchronised with the Windows version.
But Opera 7.11 final (not betas) is indescribably excellent. It is now almost a mirror of the Windows version, skinning support is excellent, fonts are beautiful out of the box, and everything is now suddenly very, very, very polished.
This alt-left/right almost requires the usage of both hands which is not very comfortable. I like to surf with one hand on the mouse, and one on the keyboard. In opera - almost everything has a single-key shortcut, which makes this perfectly possible. :)
There are also always the mouse guestures, which now almost every alternative browser has tried to immitate - but none of these implementations can match the comfort of them in Opera - in my opinion that is
"Warning! The slice of pizza I had for lunch wasn't free either."
... I'm sure you'll find the recepie if you search for it... try google.
Weird... a non-free pizza?!
I'm tired of all the "doh! yes you have to pay for some things in life"-replies to any "it's not free software"-posting.. There is nothing preventing you from paying for free software (free as in speach, remember?).... though paying to give away my freedom is not an option for me.
(Yes, Opera is a good browser... but there are equally good free software... I'll stick with the one who gives me the freedom.)
~andreas
post more opera stories!!!
It only downloads ads weekly.
After seeing the Firebird announcement here a few days ago I tried it, and haven't gone back to Mozilla *or* Opera.
Firebird is good. Say it with me.
I'm using opera for windows and it's adware. If they ever require payment, bye-bye opera, it was nice seeing you.
It's not like this is tha ultimate mega program it's worth paying for. Heck, if I give $10 for opera, then I should also donate $100 to gcc and $100 to KDE and $50 to GNOME, etc.
mozilla is still too good for opera to expect money
whats wrong with MS adds on /.? /., one of the biggest places to bash MS. also, i doubt there are many people here that were about to install *nix/*BSD/apple/whatever, saw an add here, and changed their mind
i always find it funny that MS is funnding
Your not giving them $10, your paying them, a concept that may be foreign to many /.rs.
I was a big fan of Opera for Windows for years, and was a registered user. I switched to Linux, and used Opera 5.x and 6.x, and I was very unhappy with the product.
The port was broken and incomplete. Each time time that Espen and the guys working on the Linux port would release a new version, something new would be broken. I had tons of problems with things in 6.x.
-Crashing.
-QT skinning.
-The download manager would halt.
-Opera would cause very high CPU load.
-Java and other plugins didn't work worth a squat.
-Pages would render strangely.
-Features were missing that seemed fine in the Windows version.
-And many more problems.
No matter how frequently I, and other users of the Linux Opera 6 would notify the coders, our suggestions were ignored. Excuses were always given. It was always "a bug in QT" or some other excuse.
I got tired of excuses and software that wasn't up to par... Software that *I paid for*. I switched to Phoenix/Firebird, and haven't looked back. It's now getting up to Opera's speed, and is becoming a fine browser.
What's my point in commenting on this? I feel that Opera neglected to deliver a good product to Linux users. Many people who paid for Opera 6 were never given a finished product, and Opera still expected them to pay the price to upgrade to version 7. Perhaps things will change with Opera 7. I've checked it out, and it's certainly gaining more features, and the codebase is allegedly going to be shared with the Windows version now. That's good. But I still can't help but feel that they've cheated their customers. I know that I'm not the only former Opera user that has since switched to Mozilla Firebird. I'm not saying that everyone should do the same. Use which product suits your needs. But I wanted everyone to be aware of my situation with these guys.
about this sort of thing?
The opera-linux mailing list is amazing. (http://list.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linu x)
There's a couple of developers who are actively on the list. Report a (linux specific) bug, the developer checks it out, and fixes it, usually with only a one day turn around.
Mozilla developers on the other hand, (and most big open source projects, now that I think about it) aren't responsive at all.
File a bug report. They might get around to looking at it. Or not. The problem with scratching itches is that the festering gangrenous wound is ignored while the itch between the shoulder blades has been rubbed until raw. (mozilla/firebird is *still* a bloated dog (and becoming more so), but there's a *TON* of widgets that start the coffee pot based on a mouse gesture).
</fanboy>
those ads make me want to use Visual Studio .NET and be a k3w1 d00d
upgrade ur internet connection instead
My Mozilla runs beautifully under both Slackware and FreeBSD!! So why use Opera? Or other Linuces / Unices? Mozilla rocks and the most-unix philosophy are on Slack and FreeBSD.
Neither opera nor phoenix(firebird) supports x86 Solaris. Ive tried building it but I'm still in the process of downloading yet another library to build successfully. My Solaris machine is a Pentium 133 with 64mb ram, so mozilla is not an option in its entireity, I'd rather use the ancient netscape communicator that comes with Solaris.
It would be nice if they can spend some time with the code to make it build once for Solaris x86. There are plenty of us around ready to buy the first browser for x86 Solaris that is NOT big and slow.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
With every Opera release, there's a small test I run. Go to the HOF on Slashdot click on the most active story (currently >4000 comments). This is the first version that loads the page with decent speed. Under 6.x/7 betas, long Slashdot stories (>500 comments) would choke the browser and make it unresponsive.
7.11 has finally fixed this problem, and to their credit, the Iraq story loads EXTREMELY fast.
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
:wq
This is bullsh*t. How the hell can linux ever gain some kind of presence besides servers if the packaging system is so screwed up that noone can create software and get it to install on a system?
I've created RPMs before, and it is a painful experience. I do not fault the opera people at all. I mean, they were able to port the browser to linux, but the whole effort has basically been wasted if it won't install.
I know of no other OS where installation of programs/files is this screwed up. Not to mention that designing for Linux (read: RedHat) is like shooting at a moving target. RH8.0 and RH9 are beta quality at best from mine and others experiences, yet their stable releases (7.X) are unlikely to even be targets of commercial developers since they are "old".
But thanks RH for making the login screen prettier. Now, can we get back to business and make a useable OS? Sheesh, I remember when these things were important instead of this stupid goal to get Linux "on the desktop". That will never become a reality until 3rd party software can be targeted for Linux.
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Come on MCSD...List 3 style attributes that the server objects generate that ONLY work with IE.
Again, the implication made is that ASP.NET was purposely developed to work only w/ IE, and that simply cannot be supported. ASP.NET is a server side technology unlike ActiveX, client VB Script, Flash, etc.
Does anyone know what "de gustibus non disputandum est" means? I'm guessing it's something like their boasts are not disputed, but I'd like to know what it really is.
Seriously, how is this insightful?
I guess, no opera for me...
The Sig, the sig
Yeah ... all the slashdotters will love you when you post a free 7.11 serial
You BOUGHT Ninnle Linux?
What fucking planet are you on?
Everybody knows that Ninnle Linux is freely available at www.linuxiso.org
Linus himself has endorsed the kernal!
That fork has taken on a life of its own since the initial release. It may not be officially recognized or supported, but it has an active community that keeps developing and supporting it, and a helpful group of support people who are glad to point out problems and suggest fixes. It also has a much more viral license, and so is spreading to other languages a lot faster than the official version.
Unfortunately, the maintainers have a publically-writable CVS repository, so any ignorant fool who wants to can fork his own, incompatible version, and usually does. The viral aspect ensures that it infects everyone, everywhere.
I generally follow -AMERICAN_ENGLISH_STABLE, but I run -RELEASE_ENG for more formal situations.
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
I haven't had a lot of time to fully thrash out the new version. I'd been running the earlier Linux field test version. Just got the brand new Version 7.11 for Linux this evening. I had to download the static version; the shared version was incompatible with the libraries on my Debian system.
First time I started up the browser, I found it to start very quickly and also render pages quickly, as good as anything I've seen, including Galeon and MozillaFirebird.
However, a few minutes after starting the browser, I entered the Ziff Davis Extreme Tech site, a site I've used with lots of different browsers, including previous versions of Opera.
After scrolling through a few forums and looking at the Extreme Tech UNIX and Linux discussions, my browser abruptly quit without asking.
I restarted the browser and it offered to continue where I left off, so that wasn't terrible, but there do appear to be a few rough edges somewhere in this latest release.
It could be that I have some old content or configuration that needs to be changed, but from my perspective, a browser should behave itself and handle unexpected conditions without disappearing.
So though this browser is very fast, it seems to still need a bit more work. I tend to stick with Netscape 7+; it has been working very well and very stable for me on my Linux systems.
Brian Masinick, masinick at yahoo dot com Linux
For those who haven't tried the beta...
This release is important for web developers because it supports
the full alpha channel transparency for PNG format images, both in
the foreground and the background. Gecko has had support for this
for some time, but Opera 6 was missing it.
KHTML (as of Konq 3.1.0) still needs this, and of course MSIE.
But when all the browsers you have to support have it, it makes
a lot of visual web layout design problems go away.
So, bravo to Opera for supporting the alpha channel.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
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