Re:The Emphasis Should be on Security Issues Not P
on
P2P Leaks Surprises
·
· Score: 1
"Match that to the right port for Quake, etc, and even the best sysadmins are fooled."
Yeah, until they get suspiscious that the frat is playing quake 24x7 and start sniffing the traffic.
You never know what I good admin might do when he's bored.
Ahh, but theres the rub. They count on people not fulfilling their requirements, so statistically speaking, they know they are not going to be giving out ipods to each and every person. So there is a profit in it for them. As long as the "partner" is willing to pay for those leads, they will make money. My guess is that is why ancestry.com dropped out of the program, or were dropped, because the company was losing money on that particular deal.
On top of that they also can make money my selling these email address's and physical address' that people willingly give them, to direct marketers.
I'd put this company in your first category, which was "OK, but shady" Nothing illegal though.
In regards to your last comment:
"I can't believe people won't be smart enough to bankrup their asses, crashing the pyramid"
You underestimate how stupid people are. If too many people start exploiting a particular capaign of theres, they can take the loss, end the promotion and start another one. The do put some checks and balances in their system to keep people honest, such as only letting you sign up with the same physical address (No PO Boxes) once. You can refer a member of your family so, but they cannot use the same address as you. People can make up a million email address to use, but after a while it's harder to spoof physical address's if you ever want to see your stuff.
They've also been around since 2000, so I would imagine they are making money doing it. Kind of like the games at the Carnival. Sure they are rigged, but in most places it's not illegal. People know this before playing, but they play anyway. Some people do win the big stuff teddie bears(ipod). They make so much money of the ones who don't win (qualify), that they can afford to give away a few prizes. Last time I checked, carnivals games have been around for decades.
To wrap it up. A pyramid scheme involves getting people to send you money/or other tangible in exchange for a larger promised amount/prize at he expense of people in the bottom of the pool. The sole purpose of the scheme is to collect the money with out ever paying out towards the bottom of the pyramid. A referall marketing program collects intangible information, passes it on to interested "partners". In exchange for purchasing an item from said partner & refering a friend, you acrue points towards a prize from the referer. This advertising partner is the one paying the costs of the promotions.
I guess the easiest way to explain it would be that in a pyramid scheme, the consumer is the one paying the cost and the ones who would get hurt if said pyramid collapes.
In an affiliate program the "partner" companies willing agree, in a legal contract, to pay the costs of the promotions.
Yes, but for that price you get a DUAL opeteron system, Big difference between a single P4 system and a dual 64bit opteron. And Judging from your link, I don't know that the shuttle will be a DUAL proc system
Your missing the point, I'm talking about freeipods.com which I believe the OP was refering to. (I can't be sure since he removed the link.) This is not the same type of thing that you are refering to in your links to Wired's article about Ebay auctions.
You need to be very clear in your thinking and know the difference between a matrix scheme and a referral company. They are 2 different thing. One is illegal, one is not. Freeipods.com does not sell you the opportunity to get into the deal. . Instead the are a referal service. Companies partner with them to get people to try their products.
Using numbers I pull out my Azz, let imagine a hypothetical situation. In exchange for delivering 1 customer who signs up for the DVD deal though Columbia House, the company behind free ipod.com receives $10 from Columbie House.
Freeipods then is betting that only 1 out 20 people may actually follow through and get 5 other people to sign up and purchase. More likely somebody will follow through and on average refer 3 other people. That means that out of 20 people that sign up each one will bring in on average $30 worth (3 referral's x $10) of revenue in the form of Kickbacks from the "partners," for a total of $600. Now since only one of those 20 actually got 5 people to sign up, they send him an ipod, (cost 300) and make 300 in profit. This is the same kind of thinking that goes into manufacturer rebates. The bet that most people won't take the time to follow though completely on the process.
Sorry the FCC says nothing of the sort in regards to the Free Ipod deal. They are talking in generalizations about buyers clubs on ebay. The OP was refering to www.freeipods.com I believe Nowhere in the Wired article does any member of the FCC proclaim that this particular website is a scam even if no money changes hands.
The free ipod deal is not a matrix scam. It simply say's you have to complete a purchase and have five qualifying friends also complete a purchase to receive a ipod. This is no different then the car dealer down the street offering you 100 bucks for each friend you refer to him that buys. Companies do this legally all the time. Free ipods is a kickback from companies for doing business with them and referring friends. It is quite different then a buyers club.
Now if I tell you send me 40 bucks, I'll put your name on a list, when I get 5 more names after yours on the list, I use the money that those last 5 sent me to buy you an ipod, so on and so forth, THAT IS A MATRIX SCAM.
I am not an employee of freeipods.com nor am I taking part in their program. I just wanted to point of the difference between the 2.
Apologies, missed that part.
Try this.
ipconfig | find "IP Address" > ip1.txt
Still shorter then your command. Notice how you can conveniently pipe commands and redirect output.
There are also alot of people who build systems that put Windows on it. Just pure conjecture, but Most of the gamers I know build their own system and they sure as hell are not putting linux on it.
That's it. All you bound ip address's except the loopback
I tried to count how many keystrokes it took for your command, but my feeble mind kept losing count.
The original poster was making a generalization that Linux makes you more efficient. Yes, for a power user it does, but not for the majority of the population. Most people could care less about piping commands, and how what IP address's are bound to their machine.
First of all pc's didn't creep into the corps because some hot shot grad said " I used this in college, why can't we do it here?" They did it becasue the desktop pc's were a heck of a lot cheaper then what they were using.
Second. the Microsoft EULA for Office allows you to install Office on your "work machine" and on your laptop. As long as your not using both at the same time. Most companies don't take advantage of this because 1) it's a hassle to keep track of licenses outside the network, and 2) with notebook prices being so cheap, anyone who really does need to work from home, is given a laptop.
I don't see this being the "key" to Linux adoption
Having been to quite a few high profile.bomb auctions, I can tell you most of this stuff goes for a lot more then its worth. $200 is just the minimum bid. People will be crawling all over the place in person on auction day, and the competition gets hot.
Not only do most people not seem to have any clue that you can get this stuff much cheaper on ebay, but they are willing to pay extra to say they got it from Enron.
A long time ago, I worked for a tech support call center that handled a variety of clients including one of the major PC makers. We also had another client that was an ISP, and all the calls were handled down the hall. Sometimes you'd get customers who called their ISP (down the hall) who would inform them that the problem was with their computer and to call the manufacter, (us) who would diagnose the problem with the ISP. Poor sap's were stuck in an infinite loop!
Even worse, even if you ran into those customers who had been given the run around, and you knew exactly what the problem was, you still couldn't help them if it didn't pertain to your particular line of support. Management would listen in on your calls and if you went outside your support boundaries, they would bitch you out.
All that mattered, was that you took a certain amount of calls per day, and the only way to get that quota was to keep the calls short.
What sensitive information? A couple of IM messages? That's the problem of the IM provider for not providing a secure protocol. The CCTV? As someone else pointed out, it's not like you couldn't walk down to that location a see what they see for yourself.
Now if they pulled up a students records, that would be a big deal, but it sounds like these guys were a bunch of kiddies playing around with tcpdump.
So if a student, erm I mean an "investigative journalist," breaks down the door into the school's records office to prove how easy it was, they should be let go?
I'd kind of like to see them try. Bittorrent has plenty of "established" Legal uses and is being used by companies (Mandrakesoft, redhat, etc) to distribute their product.
Kazaa was designed and marketed from the get go as a way to share music and software among users. I don't recall anybody ever using it for their product distribution.
It's much easier to argue that a system has legal uses if you can provide concrete examples.
It seems to me that napster's, kazaa's, etc biggest hurdle was not arguing that the product COULD be used for legitimate uses but giving concrete evidence that it WAS being used for legitimate file distribution.
Slashdot Mirror
You never know what I good admin might do when he's bored.
do a google search for "ibook spanning hack"
On top of that they also can make money my selling these email address's and physical address' that people willingly give them, to direct marketers.
I'd put this company in your first category, which was "OK, but shady" Nothing illegal though.
In regards to your last comment:
"I can't believe people won't be smart enough to bankrup their asses, crashing the pyramid"
You underestimate how stupid people are. If too many people start exploiting a particular capaign of theres, they can take the loss, end the promotion and start another one. The do put some checks and balances in their system to keep people honest, such as only letting you sign up with the same physical address (No PO Boxes) once. You can refer a member of your family so, but they cannot use the same address as you. People can make up a million email address to use, but after a while it's harder to spoof physical address's if you ever want to see your stuff.
They've also been around since 2000, so I would imagine they are making money doing it. Kind of like the games at the Carnival. Sure they are rigged, but in most places it's not illegal. People know this before playing, but they play anyway. Some people do win the big stuff teddie bears(ipod). They make so much money of the ones who don't win (qualify), that they can afford to give away a few prizes. Last time I checked, carnivals games have been around for decades.
To wrap it up. A pyramid scheme involves getting people to send you money/or other tangible in exchange for a larger promised amount/prize at he expense of people in the bottom of the pool. The sole purpose of the scheme is to collect the money with out ever paying out towards the bottom of the pyramid. A referall marketing program collects intangible information, passes it on to interested "partners". In exchange for purchasing an item from said partner & refering a friend, you acrue points towards a prize from the referer. This advertising partner is the one paying the costs of the promotions. I guess the easiest way to explain it would be that in a pyramid scheme, the consumer is the one paying the cost and the ones who would get hurt if said pyramid collapes. In an affiliate program the "partner" companies willing agree, in a legal contract, to pay the costs of the promotions.
Yes, but for that price you get a DUAL opeteron system, Big difference between a single P4 system and a dual 64bit opteron. And Judging from your link, I don't know that the shuttle will be a DUAL proc system
Your missing the point, I'm talking about freeipods.com which I believe the OP was refering to. (I can't be sure since he removed the link.) This is not the same type of thing that you are refering to in your links to Wired's article about Ebay auctions. You need to be very clear in your thinking and know the difference between a matrix scheme and a referral company. They are 2 different thing. One is illegal, one is not. Freeipods.com does not sell you the opportunity to get into the deal. . Instead the are a referal service. Companies partner with them to get people to try their products.
Using numbers I pull out my Azz, let imagine a hypothetical situation. In exchange for delivering 1 customer who signs up for the DVD deal though Columbia House, the company behind free ipod.com receives $10 from Columbie House.
Freeipods then is betting that only 1 out 20 people may actually follow through and get 5 other people to sign up and purchase. More likely somebody will follow through and on average refer 3 other people. That means that out of 20 people that sign up each one will bring in on average $30 worth (3 referral's x $10) of revenue in the form of Kickbacks from the "partners," for a total of $600. Now since only one of those 20 actually got 5 people to sign up, they send him an ipod, (cost 300) and make 300 in profit. This is the same kind of thinking that goes into manufacturer rebates. The bet that most people won't take the time to follow though completely on the process.
The free ipod deal is not a matrix scam. It simply say's you have to complete a purchase and have five qualifying friends also complete a purchase to receive a ipod. This is no different then the car dealer down the street offering you 100 bucks for each friend you refer to him that buys. Companies do this legally all the time. Free ipods is a kickback from companies for doing business with them and referring friends. It is quite different then a buyers club.
Now if I tell you send me 40 bucks, I'll put your name on a list, when I get 5 more names after yours on the list, I use the money that those last 5 sent me to buy you an ipod, so on and so forth, THAT IS A MATRIX SCAM.
I am not an employee of freeipods.com nor am I taking part in their program. I just wanted to point of the difference between the 2.
virtual pc :)
This doesn't look like it made of wood. Rather they took a standard antec case and put a wood veneer over the metal sides. Still kind of cool looking
Yes. The eula doesn't make a differation between a second pc running windows, or os x.
They do. I can remember getting MRE's with M&M'S and hersheys bars.
Apologies, missed that part. Try this. ipconfig | find "IP Address" > ip1.txt Still shorter then your command. Notice how you can conveniently pipe commands and redirect output.
There are also alot of people who build systems that put Windows on it. Just pure conjecture, but Most of the gamers I know build their own system and they sure as hell are not putting linux on it.
That's it. All you bound ip address's except the loopback
I tried to count how many keystrokes it took for your command, but my feeble mind kept losing count.
The original poster was making a generalization that Linux makes you more efficient. Yes, for a power user it does, but not for the majority of the population. Most people could care less about piping commands, and how what IP address's are bound to their machine.
I love linux as much as the next guy, but please cite your proof that linux makes one more efficient.
On the flip side, you could also be blamed for not keeping your computer patched, so it's your own fault for not securing your bank info.
Second. the Microsoft EULA for Office allows you to install Office on your "work machine" and on your laptop. As long as your not using both at the same time. Most companies don't take advantage of this because 1) it's a hassle to keep track of licenses outside the network, and 2) with notebook prices being so cheap, anyone who really does need to work from home, is given a laptop.
I don't see this being the "key" to Linux adoption
Not only do most people not seem to have any clue that you can get this stuff much cheaper on ebay, but they are willing to pay extra to say they got it from Enron.
Even worse, even if you ran into those customers who had been given the run around, and you knew exactly what the problem was, you still couldn't help them if it didn't pertain to your particular line of support. Management would listen in on your calls and if you went outside your support boundaries, they would bitch you out.
All that mattered, was that you took a certain amount of calls per day, and the only way to get that quota was to keep the calls short.
I for one welcome our speed-smoking Australian Overlords!
Now if they pulled up a students records, that would be a big deal, but it sounds like these guys were a bunch of kiddies playing around with tcpdump.
So if a student, erm I mean an "investigative journalist," breaks down the door into the school's records office to prove how easy it was, they should be let go?
jason@thephoenixcasino.com
But what if you get all your news from Hustler.com?
You don't have to register to read the news and commentary on /.
Kazaa was designed and marketed from the get go as a way to share music and software among users. I don't recall anybody ever using it for their product distribution.
It's much easier to argue that a system has legal uses if you can provide concrete examples.
It seems to me that napster's, kazaa's, etc biggest hurdle was not arguing that the product COULD be used for legitimate uses but giving concrete evidence that it WAS being used for legitimate file distribution.