That's the problem. You shouldn't use rouge on your routers.
They think a rouge router is in vouge, but they're out of their leauge. We should haranuge them! A plauge on them! Rip out their tounges so they cannot aruge! Them and their colleauges. Nothing but demagouges and idealouges I say. There can be no dialouge on this matter. Send them to the moruge!
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a. Lincoln was born b. Lincoln died c. Lincoln is a human corpse right now d. Premise as of the grandparent ("if he were alive today") e. Lincoln would be a zombie.
So would Lincoln also be a zombie on stardate 5906.4 when he expressed curiosity over the functioning of the Enterprise's transporter? Then how was he killed by either Colonel Green or Kahless by a spear to the back instead of cutting off the head or destroying the brain?
Speaking of which, Kirk killing Kahless with a spear to the gut would be a nice print to have to enrage the Klingon Empire. (A pity Bob Herron didn't reprise his role in the ST:TNG episode like the original actors for Kang, Koloth, and Kor did on ST:DS9.)
In places that speak the Queen's English, rather than American, a device with batteries and a light bulb is called a "torch", rather than a "flashlight".
I thought we called them "flashlights" because they traditionally include a momentary switch one can use to turn the light off briefly without wearing out the sliding power switch (i.e. make them "flash"), but apparently (and according to Wikipedia) it was due to problems with the earliest models' choice of filament (inefficient carbon) and battery (zinc-carbon, which had difficulty sustaining current) only being able to operate for brief periods (flashes).
And speaking of the Wiki, Lumencraft's Gatlight resembles a Dalek gun-arm to me, but much shorter. Has anyone suggested to them to license (or licence) the Dalek gun design?
I've left my garage door wide open and unattended all Friday night and the following Saturday morning just last week, with the door from the garage to the house unlocked. Yesterday I neglected to lock my front door after walking the cat before going to work.
There's no evidence of any break in or of any theft on either of these events.
If my home was trespassed upon, I have no knowledge of it. With no physical harm or theft and no knowledge or evidence of harm, how am I harmed? I'd be more harmed by the knowledge. (As I am by the knowledge that my government wants secret-search power as a matter of course.)
Of course, I'm not going to make a habit of mistakes like those. I care enough to want to secure my home and would report any unwanted trespass of which I was aware or made aware... whether that trespass was malicious or not.
You don't understand. Absence of malice does not excuse Conficker's trespass, and I've never suggested it does. My gripe is with the labeling of it as malicious being premature and thus hyperbole.
Funny you should mention that... back when I was still protected by the young offenders act, I made a trojan which essentially did just that. Got 3,000+ computers on it - you should have seen the Seti@Home work units rolling in...
So you prove my point. This network may be just as benign, or even benevolent.
Thinking back on it, though, I agree with everyone else - just the act of installing it is malicious.
The act of installing it is illegal electronic trespass and probably should be prosecuted, but the label "malicious" as applied to the Conficker/Downadup worm is unfounded hyperbole used to ally people against it and incite action. Practically libel liable to incite a riot.
But looking back at this discussion, it is clear that most of the people responding here truly don't know what "malicious" or "malice" mean, and many are not interested in their meanings.
Meanwhile, what other trespasses will be done to investigate and identify the command and control of this worm? The actions taken to take down its creator will be far more malicious than the worm's (and by extension its creator's) own actions to date.
If you stole my car to drive you grandma to church its still theft.
But is it malicious? If I did that, did I do it specifically to harm you? What if instead I stole your car to take your grandma to the hospital? My presumption of permission isn't actual permission. You may feel differently about your grandma and not want your car used to give her care. Still theft. But malicious?
Unless and until this botnet is put to use, you can't know if it is malicious. You just have the fear of an unknown person having unchecked power and the indignation of having your machine trespassed upon. Whether that trespass is malicious depends upon the ends to which it is put. (The ends don't justify the means, but they can color them.)
Microsoft could update the systems to do whatever they wanted too. We're comfortable with this possibility because we know who Microsoft is and are confident in our ability to punish Microsoft if they dared.
We're far more willing to trust the devil we know than anyone we don't. "Otherwise the wrong lizard might get in."
Where is the malice? Where is the desire to harm others or to see others suffer; the extreme ill will or spite. Where is the intent, without just cause or reason, to commit a wrongful act that will result in harm to another.
Malicious? I'd be stretching it to even call it malevolent. It's just trespassing. You may not want it there, but it isn't doing anything really harmful yet. Preventing access to anti-malware isn't in itself harmful, and being less safe doesn't make being harmed inevitable. Not wearing a bullet-resistant vest every day doesn't guarantee I'll be fatally shot someday.
'information that results in the arrest and conviction of those responsible for illegally launching the Conficker malicious code on the Internet,'
Has Conficker done anything malicious yet? Last I heard it all it has done is to extend and protect its installed base and has not yet been used to do any attacks. It may yet only be used for SETI@Home, Folding@Home, winning a decryption contest, or analyze other spam-producing bot nets to identify their controllers and get them shut down.
Such a group would require the notices to be binary-encoded. There's no compelling reason why alt.binaries.d can't be used for the same purpose which already has an exception for non-encoded content.
Well, you can get a cat to do something for the immediate reward of food. Most humans don't have the patience to train a cat to accept delayed gratification.
They should use cats that have learned to tolerate walking on leashes. The cats will still determine where they want to go, but their handlers can still restrain them from going too far and keep them in the public eye. (My cat gets excited whenever he sees me reach for his leash; he knows it's the only way he gets to walk outside for an extended period.)
Cats can also chew on wires. My Ragamuffin (related to the Ragdoll breed) as a kitten chewed through an AM antenna wire for my stereo and still chews on some of the plastic sheaths around cat-5 cabling in the house.
If you're going to let a cat roam around a noisy air-conditioned machine room, it may be humane to get one that is already naturally deaf, though that will likely impact its ability to hunt light-footed vermin or alert you with its meowing, and it may take to knocking items onto the floor to get your attention. (Make sure it can't reach let alone operate the scram switch.)
I already have a button which turns off my Xbox 360 in one button press. It's on my Logitch Harmony. When I press "Off" it turns off my hometheater, including my 360.
If they want a quick "OMG boobs!" button then they just need a universal remote. Program it to the XBox's IR "Off" command and bam! Problem solved.
Too complicated. They need a device that is completely universal, works with all gaming consoles and computers now and in the future out-of-the-box, requires no programming, doesn't need batteries, and can be used without thinking at a moment's notice to disable the child-damaging violent games.
What they need is a shotgun. Nothing else sends a clearer signal to your impressionable children that violence is wrong than a shotgun blast to their gaming console.
Someone should sit the Author's Guild in front of a showing of Now and Again episode "There Are No Words", especially the climax where Dr. Theodore Morris is reading aloud to large crowd, turns the page, and the rest of the pages are blank.
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Any relation to propofol, a.k.a. milk of amnesia?
That's the problem. You shouldn't use rouge on your routers.
They think a rouge router is in vouge, but they're out of their leauge. We should haranuge them! A plauge on them! Rip out their tounges so they cannot aruge! Them and their colleauges. Nothing but demagouges and idealouges I say. There can be no dialouge on this matter. Send them to the moruge!
Are you intriuged by my ideas and want to subscribe to my travelouge?
And people don't believe me when I tell them all this new-fangled technology is held together by duct-tape and bailing wire!
And chewing gum. Don't forget the chewing gum.
a. Lincoln was born
b. Lincoln died
c. Lincoln is a human corpse right now
d. Premise as of the grandparent ("if he were alive today")
e. Lincoln would be a zombie.
So would Lincoln also be a zombie on stardate 5906.4 when he expressed curiosity over the functioning of the Enterprise's transporter? Then how was he killed by either Colonel Green or Kahless by a spear to the back instead of cutting off the head or destroying the brain?
Speaking of which, Kirk killing Kahless with a spear to the gut would be a nice print to have to enrage the Klingon Empire. (A pity Bob Herron didn't reprise his role in the ST:TNG episode like the original actors for Kang, Koloth, and Kor did on ST:DS9.)
Bandwidth came and broke your heart
Put the blame on the router....
In places that speak the Queen's English, rather than American, a device with batteries and a light bulb is called a "torch", rather than a "flashlight".
I thought we called them "flashlights" because they traditionally include a momentary switch one can use to turn the light off briefly without wearing out the sliding power switch (i.e. make them "flash"), but apparently (and according to Wikipedia) it was due to problems with the earliest models' choice of filament (inefficient carbon) and battery (zinc-carbon, which had difficulty sustaining current) only being able to operate for brief periods (flashes).
And speaking of the Wiki, Lumencraft's Gatlight resembles a Dalek gun-arm to me, but much shorter. Has anyone suggested to them to license (or licence) the Dalek gun design?
the result of the recent in orbit collision of two satellites on Tuesday...February 10th when Kosmos 2251 crashed into Iridium 33
Producing Ufonium 2284 ?
Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Perhaps it was simply not interested in communicating with an ugly bag of mostly water.
the body of the phone is made from recycled water bottles.
Recycled water bottles, huh? How many calls can you make with it before it becomes toxic?
Oh wait, that was an urban legend.
"as you wisshh"
subtitle: I love you.
No, just that stealing isn't necessarily done out of malice.
But at least they're no bigger than a cat (Schrödinger).
I've left my garage door wide open and unattended all Friday night and the following Saturday morning just last week, with the door from the garage to the house unlocked. Yesterday I neglected to lock my front door after walking the cat before going to work.
There's no evidence of any break in or of any theft on either of these events.
If my home was trespassed upon, I have no knowledge of it. With no physical harm or theft and no knowledge or evidence of harm, how am I harmed? I'd be more harmed by the knowledge. (As I am by the knowledge that my government wants secret-search power as a matter of course.)
Of course, I'm not going to make a habit of mistakes like those. I care enough to want to secure my home and would report any unwanted trespass of which I was aware or made aware... whether that trespass was malicious or not.
You don't understand. Absence of malice does not excuse Conficker's trespass, and I've never suggested it does. My gripe is with the labeling of it as malicious being premature and thus hyperbole.
There's also xkcd comic 350 to consider.
Funny you should mention that ... back when I was still protected by the young offenders act, I made a trojan which essentially did just that. Got 3,000+ computers on it - you should have seen the Seti@Home work units rolling in ...
So you prove my point. This network may be just as benign, or even benevolent.
Thinking back on it, though, I agree with everyone else - just the act of installing it is malicious.
The act of installing it is illegal electronic trespass and probably should be prosecuted, but the label "malicious" as applied to the Conficker/Downadup worm is unfounded hyperbole used to ally people against it and incite action. Practically libel liable to incite a riot.
But looking back at this discussion, it is clear that most of the people responding here truly don't know what "malicious" or "malice" mean, and many are not interested in their meanings.
Meanwhile, what other trespasses will be done to investigate and identify the command and control of this worm? The actions taken to take down its creator will be far more malicious than the worm's (and by extension its creator's) own actions to date.
Nothing else sends a clearer signal to your impressionable children that violence is wrong than a shotgun blast to their faces.
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I'm disappointed. I was sure someone was going to with "joy department".
If you stole my car to drive you grandma to church its still theft.
But is it malicious? If I did that, did I do it specifically to harm you? What if instead I stole your car to take your grandma to the hospital? My presumption of permission isn't actual permission. You may feel differently about your grandma and not want your car used to give her care. Still theft. But malicious?
Unless and until this botnet is put to use, you can't know if it is malicious. You just have the fear of an unknown person having unchecked power and the indignation of having your machine trespassed upon. Whether that trespass is malicious depends upon the ends to which it is put. (The ends don't justify the means, but they can color them.)
Microsoft could update the systems to do whatever they wanted too. We're comfortable with this possibility because we know who Microsoft is and are confident in our ability to punish Microsoft if they dared.
We're far more willing to trust the devil we know than anyone we don't. "Otherwise the wrong lizard might get in."
Where is the malice? Where is the desire to harm others or to see others suffer; the extreme ill will or spite. Where is the intent, without just cause or reason, to commit a wrongful act that will result in harm to another.
Malicious? I'd be stretching it to even call it malevolent. It's just trespassing. You may not want it there, but it isn't doing anything really harmful yet. Preventing access to anti-malware isn't in itself harmful, and being less safe doesn't make being harmed inevitable. Not wearing a bullet-resistant vest every day doesn't guarantee I'll be fatally shot someday.
'information that results in the arrest and conviction of those responsible for illegally launching the Conficker malicious code on the Internet,'
Has Conficker done anything malicious yet? Last I heard it all it has done is to extend and protect its installed base and has not yet been used to do any attacks. It may yet only be used for SETI@Home, Folding@Home, winning a decryption contest, or analyze other spam-producing bot nets to identify their controllers and get them shut down.
alt.binaries.takedownnotices?
Such a group would require the notices to be binary-encoded. There's no compelling reason why alt.binaries.d can't be used for the same purpose which already has an exception for non-encoded content.
Well, you can get a cat to do something for the immediate reward of food. Most humans don't have the patience to train a cat to accept delayed gratification.
They should use cats that have learned to tolerate walking on leashes. The cats will still determine where they want to go, but their handlers can still restrain them from going too far and keep them in the public eye. (My cat gets excited whenever he sees me reach for his leash; he knows it's the only way he gets to walk outside for an extended period.)
eye-balling a nice Ragdoll-Siamese mix
Cats can also chew on wires. My Ragamuffin (related to the Ragdoll breed) as a kitten chewed through an AM antenna wire for my stereo and still chews on some of the plastic sheaths around cat-5 cabling in the house.
If you're going to let a cat roam around a noisy air-conditioned machine room, it may be humane to get one that is already naturally deaf, though that will likely impact its ability to hunt light-footed vermin or alert you with its meowing, and it may take to knocking items onto the floor to get your attention. (Make sure it can't reach let alone operate the scram switch.)
How does turning off the machine get me instant boobs? I think you have that backwards!
Indeed, the other way around is what some would call a Priority Interrupt.
I already have a button which turns off my Xbox 360 in one button press. It's on my Logitch Harmony. When I press "Off" it turns off my hometheater, including my 360.
If they want a quick "OMG boobs!" button then they just need a universal remote. Program it to the XBox's IR "Off" command and bam! Problem solved.
Too complicated. They need a device that is completely universal, works with all gaming consoles and computers now and in the future out-of-the-box, requires no programming, doesn't need batteries, and can be used without thinking at a moment's notice to disable the child-damaging violent games.
What they need is a shotgun. Nothing else sends a clearer signal to your impressionable children that violence is wrong than a shotgun blast to their gaming console.
Someone should sit the Author's Guild in front of a showing of Now and Again episode "There Are No Words", especially the climax where Dr. Theodore Morris is reading aloud to large crowd, turns the page, and the rest of the pages are blank.
Failing that, the movie Fahrenheit 451.