'Wouldn't your average Jedi be horribly scarred by all of this"
Why Yes!! as a spokesperson for Jedi Inc.. (LLC) I can safely state that all Jedi completing our online (tm) courses since 5/12/97 have an exemplary track record. Most scars from lightsabers now result in the loss of limbs and/or other LEBOoETO (Life Enabling Biological Organs of ExtraTerrestrial Origin). We have strived hard to maintain safe Jedi Training Environment, and can now report that most Jedi are not only scarred, but scared as well!
Why does all of this have to center around a presumptive thing like all porn sites will automatically go over to sex.xxx? What about torrent? What about subdomains?
Why can't ICANN or someone else simply manange the keywords they are able to use?
If the keyword thing was enforced by levying fines, then search engines could filter all those sites out with filters easily. Hell i might even use it.:)
But then again as a young man i always knew how and where to score a good penthouse.:)
Makes me wonder if more parents ought to be actually engaged in what their their children are doing.. but oh yeah, this America, parenting is so hard and all. (it is) Its such a chore to be engaged with your child, and to actively participate in their life and protect them at the same time.:P
Most folks just make em, and thats real sad folks.
Google should buy skype and extend it quickly out to all users, and refine skype out so thats its more effective. Google and Skype could be a match made in heaven if it were done correctly, and might serve to counter the newly resurgent Ma Bell thing that appears to be ressurecting itself. Competetion is good, and Skype + Google could be a great low cost tool in Googles portfolio. Vonage is okay but the rates are wacked, because you still have to have a line and that requires a telephone provider.
Just my opinion but Google should buy Skype and get it cooking.:)
Im quite happy to cut and paste some.. Ive spent way to much time getting good sources at NASA, and considering I am a big fan of space, if it passes our lameness filter (whatever that is) it can go on there.
Of course we don't consider ourselves a "blog" so whatever, more like a space news thing. Sometimes cut and paste is good, especially when one doesn't want to place personal opinions on the piece.
By the way we have a great article up right now at http://www.foxcheck.org/ with a legal and free mp3 from Big Head Todd and the Monsters for the upcoming Yuris Night world space party.
Ahead of the curve well?.. maybe.. cool? We think so.:)
Check it out if you want to, its straight from a great source at JPL:)
Peace,
D
I have to speak up here, blogs may be dying but that may be a good thing in that I personally tire of stupid technorati space tags like:
("I ate beets for lunch...lolz")
Uhm no i want information on space people. heh
I mean blogs were supposed to take over the world right? Well, some blogs are really good, but they are few and far between. I say if a group (like one im in) can hold a *real* irc room together on freenode and post blog entries about space at our leisure we are richer (not rich as in money...but richer in working together, and learning etc) for it.
If a person loves what thier hobby/interest is/are, and if they have dedication for years of posting things that recieve very little hits, in the name of getting a bigger story out, then they should do it.
Blogs are easy to start and hard to make good, imvho, and we have been trying for 2 years now.... But that is a-okay because we understand that making a living of off some uberblog is a stupid pipe dream.
All the hype is_just_that.
Blogs should be done because its something you love, about something you are passionate about, and not some money grabbing scheme.
Not for the $$.
D
I consider Garcia my biggest influence, and I think that wherever his soul is out there -->
He is crying.
This is a bad decision, because from my limited experiance, setting things free tends to build interest and community, and they have set themselves back a taste.
Its a sad day here.. a cold winter rain falls.
Ponder a moment will you, how things change.
My my, how things change.
Come on guys (The Dead) don't go down like this.
Just one little mans plea, what you set free, let be.
DB
Im very proud of JPL, NASA, and everyone involved with this mission. And all of the other missions for that matter.
Im also proud that the data is released very quickly, and openly.
Its a good thing all around, and we in #space on freenode understand the sensitivities involved.
I assume when you speak of the enthusiast compositions you are referring to the Huygens data?
I understand that all non-official work should be treated with a dose of sceptisim, but some of the images produced by the channel were good enough to be used by the ESA.
(#space irc.freenode.net)
Don't take me the wrong way. I am a huge fan, and supporter and a member of the Saturn Outreach Campaign.
In fact i hope you understand that us geeks are most likely your biggest supporters.
We should be celebrating, not casting stones.
Peace, good luck, and congrats!
Copyright infringement should be an offense punishable by law. Even Creative Commons relies on the basic idea of Copyright.
Read this from the Collective Commons Legal Text:
"License
THE WORK (AS DEFINED BELOW) IS PROVIDED UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS CREATIVE COMMONS PUBLIC LICENSE ("CCPL" OR "LICENSE"). THE WORK IS PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT AND/OR OTHER APPLICABLE LAW. ANY USE OF THE WORK OTHER THAN AS AUTHORIZED UNDER THIS LICENSE OR COPYRIGHT LAW IS PROHIBITED.
BY EXERCISING ANY RIGHTS TO THE WORK PROVIDED HERE, YOU ACCEPT AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. THE LICENSOR GRANTS YOU THE RIGHTS CONTAINED HERE IN CONSIDERATION OF YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS. "
So even Creative Commons is bound by the idea of Copyright Law.
This is not a bad thing
What is the bad is abuse of Copyright law on both sides.
Either record labels are going to have to get a clue about the digital universe that is expanding and growing around us, or continue to persue Draconian methods of enforcement, and strict Copyright legalities on thier IP.
If they do so, i imagine that the online world will continue its move in another direction, that being more Creative Commons artists, and contributers across a wide spectrum.Releasing works under lisences with terms that we can sleep with at night.
So undermining Copyright law is not a good idea. What is is releasing works that don't punish the consumer/listener for wanting to share.
Thats the labels problem. Not ours.
I hope im not the only one around here that didnt know anything about this project.
Its really an interesting concept and one at first blush seems really simple, and then you think about it, and realize that in our Draconian world its ahead of its time.
Its sure to be a great resource, and hopefully some high quality samples are there.
I haven't been able to peruse the site yet really, but I can think of a lot of uses for such a sound library as this.
This is really cool if not for the sheer esoteric value it posseses.
I don't think we have to worry about the sound of horseflies being copyrighted anytime soon , but hell it really wouldn't surprise me.
This is a great resource available to all, and I can't wait to listen to some wierd, new, interesting stuff.
Maybe some contributers have a parabolic antenna?
Maybe I_will_get_one meself!
It took a California lawsuit, the EFF, and a week of bad press on Slashdot for them to pull this..
This is "responsible"?
I tend to agree with a lot of other posters on here that if it were an individual they would be in jail right now.....
How the heck is it responsible?
I really like the part where Sherman says the record industry is really a lot more giving when it comes to allowing the copying of data...:)
The responsible thing would have never put the rootkit on the disks to begin with.......
Piracy is bad, but so is getting rooted...
Where is the middle ground? Id like to find it and sit there.
Jeez.....
Sorry for the delayed reply. But yeah.
I hope they do lose big time on this..
The real idea would be for folks to boycott Sony cd's altogether for a while to make them realy see the writing on the wall.
All of these proprietary formats are a lock in, and all the vendors know that.. thats why they are proprietary.
I hope and pray you are correct, and it was nice meeting ya.:)
I didn't say anyone had to like what i like..
Thats not the point of this whole thread
The point is the music industry gets it coming and going, and they have a cabal..
Regardless of genre.
Im not going anywhere..
Peace
Okay so thats flamebait..
sorry for telling the truth..
I know an 80 year old dude who wrote for sun records..
He lives in a trailer, and wrote 3 #1 hits.../shrug//me moves on
Sony may have a black eye over this, but in the end they are gonna win. In fact all the big media conflagrations are going to win..
Its not because their music is better, its because the minute they hear something open and interesting they just copy it, change it around and feed it to the million of idiots paying for their antiquated system of development (read theft).
They have been stealing IP (intellectual property) for so long,that they feel they can do anything.
Well not only *can* but *will*...
Thats the reason you don't hear anything new out there, and the reason the song mills of Nashville, LA, and New York are busier than ever.
Busy churning out shit..
Why should they reward creativity that does not fit in with their designs on control? They don't have to because they can clone any sound and any look. They not only can they do..
Thats why most of the great music is dead.
They don't really need DRM, they already have a version of it far superior.. that being total A&R control..
They want minions of slave musicians.. and they have it.
If i sound embittered it because I am, but not for the most obvious reasons.
although they all are valid/
It was a cold hard rain.. it was colder than hell,
when my sister got out on parole so i thought oh well.
There was nothing to do in my one horse town,
so i thought I'd corall me some fresh i-tunes down..
But what cost me dime and ninety-nine.. somehow cost me more than 10 dollars..
maybe it was the wine.
When i woke up and got my bank balance..
I realize that my change was spent on a dirty old window valence
/chorus/
10 dollars too.. Thats what we getting from you.
Were Microsoft.. and that isnt alot..
10 dollars too.. hows it feel to be screwed?
We do it every day.. So let us have our way. /*repeat*/
Well I sat there and looked at my trusty ole browser.
Ive seen a lot a crazy stuff but this was bolder and louder.
Then i realized hey thats just the way it goes.
When the boss man sits on you, there aint no where to go.
So my sister and I made break for the door.
But she slipped on the rug.. hit her head on the floor.
And i tripped and fell and broke clean through the window.
So I stood up and looked out on a windowless world.
Right there on my porch clear pure enough.
And we liked what we saw.. so we spread the word
And i rode into the sunset with a BSD girl.:)
Your correct.. i should have said that i am assured of legal remedies should someone steal something etc. Which I would have anyway as the copyright holder of each work. But CC allows me to set less restrictive terms, rather than just not enforce straight copyright which is rather strict. IMHO,P>
CC just smells better.:)
As a fairly lazy but extremely serious songwriter, I use creative commons quite a lot. I have not released a cd, but unlike some folks covered here, I do release my studio stuff up on the net. With creative Commons i am assured that it won't be altered, or sold commercially, or profited from. The songs can be performed by someone if they wish, but even those performances cannot be shipped and sold for profit. I like CC because it lets me set something free, but on my terms, in a way that won't affect the ability of me to maybe one day get a check for one of works..
Slashdot Mirror
Why Yes!! as a spokesperson for Jedi Inc.. (LLC) I can safely state that all Jedi completing our online (tm) courses since 5/12/97 have an exemplary track record. Most scars from lightsabers now result in the loss of limbs and/or other LEBOoETO (Life Enabling Biological Organs of ExtraTerrestrial Origin). We have strived hard to maintain safe Jedi Training Environment, and can now report that most Jedi are not only scarred, but scared as well!
Why does all of this have to center around a presumptive thing like all porn sites will automatically go over to sex.xxx? What about torrent? What about subdomains? :) :) :P
Why can't ICANN or someone else simply manange the keywords they are able to use?
If the keyword thing was enforced by levying fines, then search engines could filter all those sites out with filters easily. Hell i might even use it.
But then again as a young man i always knew how and where to score a good penthouse.
Makes me wonder if more parents ought to be actually engaged in what their their children are doing.. but oh yeah, this America, parenting is so hard and all. (it is) Its such a chore to be engaged with your child, and to actively participate in their life and protect them at the same time.
Most folks just make em, and thats real sad folks.
Imagemagick is good stuff, ive used it for a while now. Although I didn't buy a book to learn how, i just went here, for some great samples of uses:k 6/ d ex.htm
http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagic
PIL isn't too shabby either http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/in
Powerful stuff, maybe the book is not that great i don't know, but imagemagick and PIL are!
link to JPL Mission Control webcam http://137.78.244.28/axis-cgi/mjpg/video.cgi?camer a=&showlength=1&resolution
NASAtv coverage has begun. http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
Realtime Dopplar radar from MRO: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/realtime/mro-doppler_ lg.html
This is gonna be fun!
Google should buy skype and extend it quickly out to all users, and refine skype out so thats its more effective. Google and Skype could be a match made in heaven if it were done correctly, and might serve to counter the newly resurgent Ma Bell thing that appears to be ressurecting itself. Competetion is good, and Skype + Google could be a great low cost tool in Googles portfolio. Vonage is okay but the rates are wacked, because you still have to have a line and that requires a telephone provider. :)
Just my opinion but Google should buy Skype and get it cooking.
Of course we don't consider ourselves a "blog" so whatever, more like a space news thing. Sometimes cut and paste is good, especially when one doesn't want to place personal opinions on the piece.
By the way we have a great article up right now at http://www.foxcheck.org/ with a legal and free mp3 from Big Head Todd and the Monsters for the upcoming Yuris Night world space party.
Ahead of the curve well?.. maybe.. cool? We think so. :)
Check it out if you want to, its straight from a great source at JPL :)
Peace,
D
p.s.: yes i still love /. :)
("I ate beets for lunch...lolz")
Uhm no i want information on space people. heh
I mean blogs were supposed to take over the world right? Well, some blogs are really good, but they are few and far between. I say if a group (like one im in) can hold a *real* irc room together on freenode and post blog entries about space at our leisure we are richer (not rich as in money...but richer in working together, and learning etc) for it.
If a person loves what thier hobby/interest is/are, and if they have dedication for years of posting things that recieve very little hits, in the name of getting a bigger story out, then they should do it.
Blogs are easy to start and hard to make good, imvho, and we have been trying for 2 years now.... But that is a-okay because we understand that making a living of off some uberblog is a stupid pipe dream.
All the hype is_just_that.
Blogs should be done because its something you love, about something you are passionate about, and not some money grabbing scheme.
Not for the $$.
D
Just my opinion, mod me sidways? :)
I think this whole thing is sad.
I consider Garcia my biggest influence, and I think that wherever his soul is out there -->
He is crying.
This is a bad decision, because from my limited experiance, setting things free tends to build interest and community, and they have set themselves back a taste.
Its a sad day here.. a cold winter rain falls.
Ponder a moment will you, how things change.
My my, how things change.
Come on guys (The Dead) don't go down like this.
Just one little mans plea, what you set free, let be.
DB
Im very proud of JPL, NASA, and everyone involved with this mission. And all of the other missions for that matter.
Im also proud that the data is released very quickly, and openly.
Its a good thing all around, and we in #space on freenode understand the sensitivities involved.
I assume when you speak of the enthusiast compositions you are referring to the Huygens data?
I understand that all non-official work should be treated with a dose of sceptisim, but some of the images produced by the channel were good enough to be used by the ESA.
(#space irc.freenode.net)
Don't take me the wrong way. I am a huge fan, and supporter and a member of the Saturn Outreach Campaign.
In fact i hope you understand that us geeks are most likely your biggest supporters.
We should be celebrating, not casting stones.
Peace, good luck, and congrats!
JPL is amazing,
D
Copyright infringement should be an offense punishable by law. Even Creative Commons relies on the basic idea of Copyright. Read this from the Collective Commons Legal Text:
"License THE WORK (AS DEFINED BELOW) IS PROVIDED UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS CREATIVE COMMONS PUBLIC LICENSE ("CCPL" OR "LICENSE"). THE WORK IS PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT AND/OR OTHER APPLICABLE LAW. ANY USE OF THE WORK OTHER THAN AS AUTHORIZED UNDER THIS LICENSE OR COPYRIGHT LAW IS PROHIBITED. BY EXERCISING ANY RIGHTS TO THE WORK PROVIDED HERE, YOU ACCEPT AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. THE LICENSOR GRANTS YOU THE RIGHTS CONTAINED HERE IN CONSIDERATION OF YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS. "
So even Creative Commons is bound by the idea of Copyright Law.
This is not a bad thing
What is the bad is abuse of Copyright law on both sides.
Either record labels are going to have to get a clue about the digital universe that is expanding and growing around us, or continue to persue Draconian methods of enforcement, and strict Copyright legalities on thier IP.
If they do so, i imagine that the online world will continue its move in another direction, that being more Creative Commons artists, and contributers across a wide spectrum.Releasing works under lisences with terms that we can sleep with at night.
So undermining Copyright law is not a good idea. What is is releasing works that don't punish the consumer/listener for wanting to share.
Thats the labels problem. Not ours.
IANAL,
D
Its really an interesting concept and one at first blush seems really simple, and then you think about it, and realize that in our Draconian world its ahead of its time.
Its sure to be a great resource, and hopefully some high quality samples are there.
I haven't been able to peruse the site yet really, but I can think of a lot of uses for such a sound library as this.
This is really cool if not for the sheer esoteric value it posseses.
I don't think we have to worry about the sound of horseflies being copyrighted anytime soon , but hell it really wouldn't surprise me.
This is a great resource available to all, and I can't wait to listen to some wierd, new, interesting stuff.
Maybe some contributers have a parabolic antenna?
Maybe I_will_get_one meself!
It took a California lawsuit, the EFF, and a week of bad press on Slashdot for them to pull this.. :)
This is "responsible"?
I tend to agree with a lot of other posters on here that if it were an individual they would be in jail right now.....
How the heck is it responsible?
I really like the part where Sherman says the record industry is really a lot more giving when it comes to allowing the copying of data...
The responsible thing would have never put the rootkit on the disks to begin with.......
Piracy is bad, but so is getting rooted...
Where is the middle ground? Id like to find it and sit there.
Jeez.....
with power comes great responsibility..
this may be a good thing in long run.......
Sorry for the delayed reply. But yeah. I hope they do lose big time on this.. The real idea would be for folks to boycott Sony cd's altogether for a while to make them realy see the writing on the wall. All of these proprietary formats are a lock in, and all the vendors know that.. thats why they are proprietary. I hope and pray you are correct, and it was nice meeting ya. :)
I didn't say anyone had to like what i like..
Thats not the point of this whole thread
The point is the music industry gets it coming and going, and they have a cabal..
Regardless of genre.
Im not going anywhere..
Peace
Okay so thats flamebait.. sorry for telling the truth.. I know an 80 year old dude who wrote for sun records.. He lives in a trailer, and wrote 3 #1 hits... /shrug/ /me moves on
Sony may have a black eye over this, but in the end they are gonna win. In fact all the big media conflagrations are going to win.. Its not because their music is better, its because the minute they hear something open and interesting they just copy it, change it around and feed it to the million of idiots paying for their antiquated system of development (read theft). They have been stealing IP (intellectual property) for so long,that they feel they can do anything. Well not only *can* but *will*... Thats the reason you don't hear anything new out there, and the reason the song mills of Nashville, LA, and New York are busier than ever. Busy churning out shit.. Why should they reward creativity that does not fit in with their designs on control? They don't have to because they can clone any sound and any look. They not only can they do.. Thats why most of the great music is dead. They don't really need DRM, they already have a version of it far superior.. that being total A&R control.. They want minions of slave musicians.. and they have it. If i sound embittered it because I am, but not for the most obvious reasons. although they all are valid/
Jeezus// Here they go again..
I hate them.
EVIL!
Its getting hard waging a one man war against thier evil music scheme..
Thank god we have the EFF.
Yep the title says it all....
when my sister got out on parole so i thought oh well.
There was nothing to do in my one horse town,
so i thought I'd corall me some fresh i-tunes down..
But what cost me dime and ninety-nine..
somehow cost me more than 10 dollars..
maybe it was the wine.
When i woke up and got my bank balance..
I realize that my change was spent on a dirty old window valence
10 dollars too.. Thats what we getting from you.
Were Microsoft.. and that isnt alot..
10 dollars too.. hows it feel to be screwed?
We do it every day.. So let us have our way.
Well I sat there and looked at my trusty ole browser.
Ive seen a lot a crazy stuff but this was bolder and louder.
Then i realized hey thats just the way it goes.
When the boss man sits on you, there aint no where to go.
So my sister and I made break for the door.
But she slipped on the rug.. hit her head on the floor.
And i tripped and fell and broke clean through the window.
So I stood up and looked out on a windowless world. :)
Right there on my porch clear pure enough.
And we liked what we saw.. so we spread the word
And i rode into the sunset with a BSD girl.
I for one, kind folks pray it hasn't been.
D wah wah wah.. imagine users exercising thier rights.. wah wah wah.. :)
These two links in his post say a lot about what really happened.
One of our members has created this:
http://hobbiton.thisside.net/advmap_moon.html
Its a take off of google maps, but extends some some functionality into it. It looks really nice. Enjoy!
Stop by #space sometime for a visit.
Your correct.. i should have said that i am assured of legal remedies should someone steal something etc. Which I would have anyway as the copyright holder of each work. But CC allows me to set less restrictive terms, rather than just not enforce straight copyright which is rather strict. IMHO,P> CC just smells better. :)
This Dvark is an ass.. Power to the commons!