If you had mentioned that the existing plants where upping the shifts, that would have seemed proper to me. Yes, they are still here now, but they were built in response to other stimulus, but your implication was that they were built to the outsourcing stimulus. I dont see that as being so.
And to the "billions into the US economy", remember that they are pulling more *out* of the US economy. The people buying those products are in the US. They have to be pulling more out, or they could not afford to put any in. It's like the cash back on your discover card, the money they use to pay you *came from you*.
The making of Japanese cars here in the states predates the current offshoring phenomenon by quite a bit. I dont think that that is a proper reference.
Until the Asian countries enact protectionist trade laws ( some could argue they are in place now... ).
And with or without that, the Asian companies will be perfectly able to use the knowledge they gained during our little experiment with outsourcing to produce those products and services for their country-people, cutting out the American company.
Explain, then, how the standard of living will not go dow, please?
Also, can you substantiate your claim that people are not suffering wage depression ( in the form of lower wages, or completely missing employement )? The ball has only started rolling on this, so the effect will be small as yet ( I dont know that "millions" are out of work, I believe that 10s' to hundreds of thousands are, and that more are on the way ). TV and SUV sales are not the way, it could just be that the decision makers deciding to outsource are spending those returns.
Understood, my point is that the "will have to work temporarily in another field" is a poorly understood part of the equation. What will she/ he / it make ( pay ) during this period? Will they be able to climb back out of this hole? Understand, I put myself thru college, paid for it all out of my paychecks, while working. I did this later in life than most. I feel that this gives me a bit more of an understanding of just how difficult this part can be. I was lucky in that I had not married, and had no kids to support. While I understand the possiblity of doing it, the "well, just get of your bum and do it" attitude does not account for the real difficulties.
You have to have the funds available to "disburse" in order to earn that "reimbursment". Say you just sunk every penny into a MicroSkills class course training for IT, Watcha gonna do? Remember, you are poor. That means no money, no credit cards, no money in the bank.
Computers donated by large companies are typically three years old and the MAR program upgrades the software to newer versions of Windows that donated PCs can support, for a nominal charge that covers materials and program operations.
*That* is why they *ought* to be simplifying things, not making more "this is part of the operating system, because if it isnt, someone might compete with it" bug and security inducing complications.
I forget exactly where, but somewhere on the opera site, or a blog from one of the opera guys, there is an explaination for the hotmail not working with opera.
Why? Go read for yourself, but MS detects opera, then returns a stylesheet that pushs the right margin to some negative number.
Accidently, of course, I am sure. ( NOT! )
So, to sum up. Google has earned some respect by their conduct, and unless and until they blow it, they can capitalize on that. Microsoft, on the other hand, has earned, by their actions, disrespect. I dont dislike MS because they are successfull. I dont dislike them because they are big. I dislike them because they take illegal advantage, they use their size to bully, and they just will not stop, after a consent decree ( 1994, 10 years gone ), a finding against them ( the recent DOJ atrocity ), and the EU action against them. They do not innovate, they do not compete on the merits of their products. They lock you in. The shame is that you buy it, and are happy about it.
Some pages I visit are good. Most ( as the law states ) are crap. I dont want to keep the crap, just the good.
On popularity, it varies by subgroup and intent. What I think as a programmer trying to find technical information ought to be a popular page will not apply to someone out of the group.
Why shouldnt he be handed his head? If it was a democrat, you ( as a group, perhaps not as an individual ) would be posting the inflammatory "gosh, there they go again" stuff.
And just for the record, I am tired of the attempts to stigmatize anyone who has an opinion "on the left". Where is the "open debate" there? You know what I mean.
Are the Republicans above bashing those with dissenting views? Are they for open debate? That has not been my experience.
"How is this an article about News for Nerds". Well, it is about a political use of the internet. Seems to me that it applies in that/. has had an opinion about *any* use/abuse of popups/popunders along with any unsolicited messaging. Also seem to apply from the "your rights online" category.
"This is nothing more than a vehicle for attacking President Bush...". See top of my post, but also, is he perfect? Seems to me that according to your wish for "open debate", this is very topical. It shows how public policy is being distorted to promote a particular agenda.
The people handing out the domains in your whack-a-mole ( good imagery, btw ), example will hand them out to spammers nilly-willy, but for.mail, they will not.
I think $2000.00 for a spammer is probably chum change. And maybe an extra little bit to grease the skids a bit would also be chump change.
Perhaps that is *exactly* what they have in mind. You will not be able to afford it, along with billions and billions ( sorry, channeling Carl there.. ) of others.
It '133ts up the playing field, leaving many fewer mail servers out there to be compromised.
Legislation is not cast in stone. It can and should change to match the situation. And if what you are saying is correct, then should we drop *all* legislation? Like that which makes it illegal to murder? Rob? Granted legislation does not absolutely stop criminal activities, but I would argue it does deter most from commiting them. The problem here is enforcement.
Money makes it OK? I could make money from extracting your kidneys from your body. So, that is OK? But there are laws against that? Well, you just argued that legislation doesnt solve the problem. And there is money to be made by me. So, you should have to pay for a body guard to keep me from removing those valuable kidneys of yours. And I figure ways around the body guards, and you and your body guards find ways to foil me. How does this make sense?
The current legislation might or might not be a good thing ( my guess: isnt a good thing ). What does that have to do with the *idea*?
Send an email with a forged header, go to jail. Make some reasonable legislation that favors citizens real needs, and put some teeth in it. No, it wont solve the overseas stuff, but for the love of Mike, ya gotta start somewhere.
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If you had mentioned that the existing plants where upping the shifts, that would have seemed proper to me. Yes, they are still here now, but they were built in response to other stimulus, but your implication was that they were built to the outsourcing stimulus. I dont see that as being so.
And to the "billions into the US economy", remember that they are pulling more *out* of the US economy. The people buying those products are in the US. They have to be pulling more out, or they could not afford to put any in. It's like the cash back on your discover card, the money they use to pay you *came from you*.
The making of Japanese cars here in the states predates the current offshoring phenomenon by quite a bit. I dont think that that is a proper reference.
Until the Asian countries enact protectionist trade laws ( some could argue they are in place now... ).
And with or without that, the Asian companies will be perfectly able to use the knowledge they gained during our little experiment with outsourcing to produce those products and services for their country-people, cutting out the American company.
Explain, then, how the standard of living will not go dow, please?
Also, can you substantiate your claim that people are not suffering wage depression ( in the form of lower wages, or completely missing employement )? The ball has only started rolling on this, so the effect will be small as yet ( I dont know that "millions" are out of work, I believe that 10s' to hundreds of thousands are, and that more are on the way ). TV and SUV sales are not the way, it could just be that the decision makers deciding to outsource are spending those returns.
Very true!
Understood, my point is that the "will have to work temporarily in another field" is a poorly understood part of the equation. What will she/ he / it make ( pay ) during this period? Will they be able to climb back out of this hole? Understand, I put myself thru college, paid for it all out of my paychecks, while working. I did this later in life than most. I feel that this gives me a bit more of an understanding of just how difficult this part can be. I was lucky in that I had not married, and had no kids to support. While I understand the possiblity of doing it, the "well, just get of your bum and do it" attitude does not account for the real difficulties.
You have to have the funds available to "disburse" in order to earn that "reimbursment". Say you just sunk every penny into a MicroSkills class course training for IT, Watcha gonna do? Remember, you are poor. That means no money, no credit cards, no money in the bank.
You are a CEO.
I would *love* to be discriminated against as most CEO's are.
I go out and climb into a Ford.
My wife has a GMC.
All built with parts built hither and yon, but one does what one can.
( A counter example to the parent.... Not *everyone* gets in a toyota. )
Computers donated by large companies are typically three years old and the MAR program upgrades the software to newer versions of Windows that donated PCs can support, for a nominal charge that covers materials and program operations.
Giving away? Doesnt look like it from here.
*That* is why they *ought* to be simplifying things, not making more "this is part of the operating system, because if it isnt, someone might compete with it" bug and security inducing complications.
What will be done with the money?
I forget exactly where, but somewhere on the opera site, or a blog from one of the opera guys, there is an explaination for the hotmail not working with opera.
Why? Go read for yourself, but MS detects opera, then returns a stylesheet that pushs the right margin to some negative number.
Accidently, of course, I am sure. ( NOT! )
So, to sum up. Google has earned some respect by their conduct, and unless and until they blow it, they can capitalize on that. Microsoft, on the other hand, has earned, by their actions, disrespect. I dont dislike MS because they are successfull. I dont dislike them because they are big. I dislike them because they take illegal advantage, they use their size to bully, and they just will not stop, after a consent decree ( 1994, 10 years gone ), a finding against them ( the recent DOJ atrocity ), and the EU action against them. They do not innovate, they do not compete on the merits of their products. They lock you in. The shame is that you buy it, and are happy about it.
David
I built the first castle, and it sank, then I built another, and it sank too. Then I built a third, and that one stayed up.
Well, that is not *quite* my experience..
Some pages I visit are good. Most ( as the law states ) are crap. I dont want to keep the crap, just the good.
On popularity, it varies by subgroup and intent. What I think as a programmer trying to find technical information ought to be a popular page will not apply to someone out of the group.
Is he ( Bush ) or is he not promoting this?
/. has had an opinion about *any* use/abuse of popups/popunders along with any unsolicited messaging. Also seem to apply from the "your rights online" category.
Is that not inflammatory?
Why shouldnt he be handed his head? If it was a democrat, you ( as a group, perhaps not as an individual ) would be posting the inflammatory "gosh, there they go again" stuff.
And just for the record, I am tired of the attempts to stigmatize anyone who has an opinion "on the left". Where is the "open debate" there? You know what I mean.
Are the Republicans above bashing those with dissenting views? Are they for open debate? That has not been my experience.
"How is this an article about News for Nerds". Well, it is about a political use of the internet. Seems to me that it applies in that
"This is nothing more than a vehicle for attacking President Bush...". See top of my post, but also, is he perfect? Seems to me that according to your wish for "open debate", this is very topical. It shows how public policy is being distorted to promote a particular agenda.
This all assumes that
A: That the people proposing this end up in control of this.
B: That they ( over time ) dont end up corrupted, or...?
The people handing out the domains in your whack-a-mole ( good imagery, btw ), example will hand them out to spammers nilly-willy, but for .mail, they will not.
I think $2000.00 for a spammer is probably chum change. And maybe an extra little bit to grease the skids a bit would also be chump change.
Perhaps that is *exactly* what they have in mind. You will not be able to afford it, along with billions and billions ( sorry, channeling Carl there.. ) of others.
It '133ts up the playing field, leaving many fewer mail servers out there to be compromised.
It is correct that the miracle was that he rose on the third day.
I believe it is important to note that he could have had a death in old age from something instantanious and painless.
Instead, as atonement for *our* iniquities, he suffered ( really really suffered ) death for us.
That part shows the depth of his love for us, that he would die in the first place, at all, and that he would willing undergo such pain on our behalf.
Dont give them ideas!
Legislation is not cast in stone. It can and should change to match the situation. And if what you are saying is correct, then should we drop *all* legislation? Like that which makes it illegal to murder? Rob? Granted legislation does not absolutely stop criminal activities, but I would argue it does deter most from commiting them. The problem here is enforcement.
Money makes it OK? I could make money from extracting your kidneys from your body. So, that is OK? But there are laws against that? Well, you just argued that legislation doesnt solve the problem. And there is money to be made by me. So, you should have to pay for a body guard to keep me from removing those valuable kidneys of yours. And I figure ways around the body guards, and you and your body guards find ways to foil me. How does this make sense?
The current legislation might or might not be a good thing ( my guess: isnt a good thing ). What does that have to do with the *idea*?
Send an email with a forged header, go to jail. Make some reasonable legislation that favors citizens real needs, and put some teeth in it. No, it wont solve the overseas stuff, but for the love of Mike, ya gotta start somewhere.
It will read your email, without you having to start your car!
You know you need that!
That "wonderful push technology" *was* very usefull for killing a company I once worked at.
Yes, that good old MS *innovation* at work again.
Done well, that would be a kick arse movie, IMHO.
Course, I dont lay any odds on someone doing it well. It would probably come out as a bunch of eye-candy.