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It is understandable that you would not want the police entering your home.
But step back a moment. Can the police tell by looking at you that all you have said is true? For all they know, you are holding someone prisoner inside your home, this prisoner called the police, and the reason for no answer was that you found this and took the phone from them and prevented them from speaking. So, how can the police determine this without entering and verifying?
Lets posit the above as the situation, not you of course, but some homeowner somewhere truely is holding a prisoner, that prisoner made it to a phone, started a call to 911, but were prevented from finishing. Your choice, how should the police proceed? "Ah, it's probably nothing, just an accident"? Or lets go investigate? I presume investigate, so now the police are knocking on your front door, and the homeowner answers with your line "I dont know, nothing is going on here, go away". Should they go away if you refuse permission? And when it makes the headlines sometime in the future that someone was killed in that house, and the police did not go in because the homeowner refused them permission, are you not reading about that grumbling about how the police did not do there job? Maybe you arent. Many would, and I think they would have a good point.
I think you may be reading more into my statements than is there...
I understand that there are those how are making value judgement about someones worth as a programmer based on knowing particular tools. That was not what I believe I said, and it certainly was not what I intended to come across with.
I use VS on a daily basis, it removes a lot of drudge work, and this is a very good thing, as you relate, as there is focus on the job at hand and not on the prerequisites for the job at hand, improving productivity.
I did not say that the command line/ et al route made you a better programmer, nor that the IDE made you stupider or more brain rotted. I understand that there are those who have, I am not amoung them. I did say that coming from an IDE background, you will have a harder ( not impossible, just some additional learning curve ( and note, I dont disagree that there is some learning curve associated with transitioning form the command line/ et al way of doing things to the IDE way, I have been there and done that.. ) ) time.
No, I didnt confuse "knows how make works" with "knows how to program".
My point was that if you have two programmers each with the same "knows how to program" indexes, the one the knows the command line/ text editor/make ( or automake, or autoconf ) will be effective in an IDE environment faster than the one who knows only the IDE would be in a command line/text editor/( build tool de jure ) environment.
On your "VS hiding things versus other build systems with '...at least 2 and sometimes as many as 6 layers of indirection...'" I do not understand your point.
And last, I was not trying to claim that make was the same as knowing fractions, nor that it was some fundamental building block in and of itself. Just that the experience of knowing how the toolchain works is valuable, and I think that beginners should be exposed to it early on. That is not to say that IDE's suck or anything. Just like calculators dont suck ( they were invaluable in many of my higer math classes ), but my kids math teachers dont let them in most of their gradeschool homework.
I worked on a wireless email system once upon a time. Used CDO to talk to Exchange. Found out that sometimes the CDO object that represented a logged on user would lose it's mind and start thinking it was a different logged on user. Had to add in code to keep who that CDO object thought it was representing, and check it each time we brought it out to use it. Retire it, create a new one if it was different.
Course, we caught it in testing, not in the field, lucky us.
So, after trying to negotiate terms and failing, Taiwan should just throw in the towel and let people die?
You have a point, and it is a good one, but this is not a binary decision binding on the entire world for all time, either. If the decision stands, that does not nessesarily mean that Taiwan will ignore all patents for all time.
Another way to look at it ( depending on how the negotiations went... ( I.E. if Taiwan said "one penny for the whole thing" then that is one thing... ) ), is Roche holding those lives ransom. And there is something ( in my opinion ) wrong with that.
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Someone didnt like hearing the truth.
I thought it was Adam Ant.
Here, piggy piggy piggy, here piggy.
Scared?
Goodness.
I mean, we cant have something like this.
It might make sense, and that will never do.
So, they are incomplete dicks?
Lucas ( the English co. that mfg's electrical parts for autos ) nickname: Prince of Darkness.
Ditto!
No, you want tight-pad.
I dunno, this post seems kinda stilted.
It is understandable that you would not want the police entering your home.
But step back a moment. Can the police tell by looking at you that all
you have said is true? For all they know, you are holding someone prisoner
inside your home, this prisoner called the police, and the reason for no answer was
that you found this and took the phone from them and prevented them from
speaking. So, how can the police determine this without entering and
verifying?
Lets posit the above as the situation, not you of course, but some homeowner
somewhere truely is holding a prisoner, that prisoner made it to a phone, started
a call to 911, but were prevented from finishing. Your choice, how should the
police proceed? "Ah, it's probably nothing, just an accident"? Or lets go
investigate? I presume investigate, so now the police are knocking on your
front door, and the homeowner answers with your line "I dont know, nothing
is going on here, go away". Should they go away if you refuse permission?
And when it makes the headlines sometime in the future that someone was killed
in that house, and the police did not go in because the homeowner refused them
permission, are you not reading about that grumbling about how the police did
not do there job? Maybe you arent. Many would, and I think they would have a
good point.
I think you may be reading more into my statements than is there...
I understand that there are those how are making value judgement about
someones worth as a programmer based on knowing particular tools. That
was not what I believe I said, and it certainly was not what I intended
to come across with.
I use VS on a daily basis, it removes a lot of drudge work, and this is a
very good thing, as you relate, as there is focus on the job at hand and
not on the prerequisites for the job at hand, improving productivity.
I did not say that the command line/ et al route made you a better programmer,
nor that the IDE made you stupider or more brain rotted. I understand
that there are those who have, I am not amoung them. I did say that coming
from an IDE background, you will have a harder ( not impossible, just some additional
learning curve ( and note, I dont disagree that there is some learning curve
associated with transitioning form the command line/ et al way of doing things
to the IDE way, I have been there and done that.. ) ) time.
No, I didnt confuse "knows how make works" with "knows how to program".
My point was that if you have two programmers each with the same
"knows how to program" indexes, the one the knows the command line/
text editor/make ( or automake, or autoconf ) will be effective in
an IDE environment faster than the one who knows only the IDE would
be in a command line/text editor/( build tool de jure ) environment.
On your "VS hiding things versus other build systems with '...at least 2 and
sometimes as many as 6 layers of indirection...'" I do not understand
your point.
And last, I was not trying to claim that make was the same as knowing
fractions, nor that it was some fundamental building block in and of
itself. Just that the experience of knowing how the toolchain works
is valuable, and I think that beginners should be exposed to it early
on. That is not to say that IDE's suck or anything. Just like calculators
dont suck ( they were invaluable in many of my higer math classes ), but
my kids math teachers dont let them in most of their gradeschool homework.
One thing about that.....
If you do the standard text editor and make route, you will understand sufficient to make an IDE work for you.
If you do the IDE route, then you are dumped into a situation requiring a command line and text editor and make, you
will flounder for quite a while.
Kinda the same reason my kids are not allowed to use calculators in their math classes....
I knew that, actually, just didnt *do* that ( & lt & gt ). :-)
And, yes, I did not preview.
Silly me.
Thanks
Mine was an attempt at humour. I had put humour
indicators in the message, but I did it XML format,
and they apparently got stripped.
Nope, not suprising at all.
I worked on a wireless email system once upon a time. Used CDO to talk to Exchange.
Found out that sometimes the CDO object that represented a logged on user would
lose it's mind and start thinking it was a different logged on user. Had to add
in code to keep who that CDO object thought it was representing, and check it each
time we brought it out to use it. Retire it, create a new one if it was different.
Course, we caught it in testing, not in the field, lucky us.
Yes, they did, they applied the service pack.
*Now* they have the bug.
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Since you called, you must know the number... What is it?
You are Hemos!
Probably not enough to offset the risk to the area
under the launch. From Florida, the area under
the launch is pretty much all water.
You ought to know, being one of the collective.
We are all the same.. And you are one of us....
Hmmm....
So, after trying to negotiate terms and failing, Taiwan
should just throw in the towel and let people die?
You have a point, and it is a good one, but this is not
a binary decision binding on the entire world for all time,
either. If the decision stands, that does not nessesarily
mean that Taiwan will ignore all patents for all time.
Another way to look at it ( depending on how the negotiations
went... ( I.E. if Taiwan said "one penny for the whole thing"
then that is one thing... ) ), is Roche holding those lives
ransom. And there is something ( in my opinion ) wrong with
that.
Innovation!