The only problem is that you lack knowledge of human history, of consciousness, and of life, thus you conclusion is invalid.
The interesting question is not "_When_ will remnants of Life be discovered on Mars", but "In _what_ dimensions will Life be found on it?" _Everything_ is alive, because everything is conscious. Mars one of the catalysts that helps us to "wake up."
Having other people tell you what actually happened is of little value, because one needs to find their own proofs.
But to answer your question:
Nope, no palling around. Only met him for a few brief minutes, and never saw him ever again. What I do remember is this... (NOTE: If it helps you, then good. If not, then feel free to ignore it.)
'I was standing in an alley, he walked by, turned, came over to me, and I had this over-whelming "Total Acceptance" of "Unconditional Love" which the only way a person could relate to this is if they have had a NDE or similiar OBE dwelling in The Light. That was one the reasons he was so popular -- he _completely_ understand why you were the way you were and you felt totally inspired that if he became perfect so could you!'
'For us people who didn't know any better, he never judged you, just accepted you the way you were, and would question you to help you come to your own answers.'
'For the teachers, he righteously judged them for leading people away from life, i.e. the literal letter that killeth, because they made a dogma, tradition, and rules out of _every_ _little_ thing and completely missed the point. The Law was meant to provide freedom, not slavery. (The same is true with any "fundamentalists.") It is similar today with Law. Judges don't rule on the letter of the law, but on the intent, because that is what is trying to be captured with the written laws.'
As they say, "History is written by the winners", but it is _far_ more interesting to research what actually happened, and learn _why_. What is commonly believed about the The whole human history is woefully incomplete, but I tend not to focus on history, because the points are:
What are you doing _now_ about your situation?
How are you treating others?
If history interests you, definately pursue it! Keep an open mind about everything, as everything has (some) value. Whether it was true or not, doesn't matter if you learn something!
Yes, but that is completely _irrelevent_ to the fact that scriptures have been changed / edited / deleted to support those in power.
i.e. In the Gospel of Luke in the Codex Bezae this passage was removed from the Christian Bible: ' On the same day, He (Jesus) beholding a man laboring on the Sabbath, said to him:
"Man if thou knowest what thou doest, blessed art thou;
if however thou dost not know, cursed art thou and a transgressor of the law." '
The point is, that in any scripture, there are enough remanants left to understand the deeper meanings if one has the desire to seek to know the deeper truths.
> What makes you think that particular message is true, but not others?
Your assumption is that truth is absolute. It is relative, because you can only understand as much truth as you are willing to live.
When you were a child, your parents gave you rules. Do you follow those exact same rules as an adult? No, because they served their purpose, and are able to see the reasoning being them, and come up with your own rules, and you understand the consequences.
Can a child do differential calculas? Why not? Because the mind hasn't been developed to understand principles on a deeper level. The same is true for Religion. Any one who practised animal sacrifice was like a child who didn't understand that it is our animal nature that we must sacrifice. When one takes a literal interpration, the contradictions are supposed to provoke the reader into reflective thinking.
You are quite correct that a literal interpretation causes problems.
That is why Origen wrote...
"What man of sense will agree with the statement that the first, second and third days in which the evening is named and the morning, were without sun, moon and stars, and the first day without a heaven. What man is found such an idiot as to suppose that God planted trees in paradise in Eden, like a husbandman, and planted therein the tree of life, perceptible to the eyes and senses, which gave life to the eater thereof; and another tree which gave to the eater thereof a knowledge of good and evil? I believe that every man must hold these things for images, under which the hidden sense lies concealed."
- Origen - Huet., Prigeniana, 167 Franck, p. 142
Most people don't notice that day 2 is not called good. Of that few that do even notice, most can't explain why.
"Enlightenment" is not about going to this teacher, that guru, or whoever seems to be popular today, but about you finding your own answers within. It is a process. No one else can do it for you -- they have their own lives to live.
> it's important that we realize that religion makes people nuts.
You're blaming the symptom and ignoring the cause.
Most people don't understand the TRUE purpose of religion -- EVERY religion is kindergarten in the grades of spirituality. i.e. providing the basics, but woefully incomplete in any depth of true knowledge.
Usually the biggest problem is fundamentalists not being able to understand anything more then a literal interpretation of "scripture", and being completely oblivious to the fact that all of the You-niverse is scripture.
He's smart enough to know that when he is dead that his looks won't matter one bit in the end, but that the only important thing of value was that people saw the reasoning and long term consequences in living and upholding certain principles.
Would his message be more "embraced" if he was more "socially acceptable". Sure. Would "quantity" help out with "quality." Probably. I do not know why has isn't -- I can only assume that in the long run he doesn't think it a high priority. If people are that offended over something "simple", chances are they probably won't appreciate the deeper message.
> Smart people make reasonable allowances for judgments about appearance.
And mature people don't judge a book by its cover. The cover (or lack of it), whatever shape it is is, does not change your enjoyment of the story one bit.
> but on the whole he's a nutter. I don't want to be associated with Pan worshiping or nasal sex
I do not recall RMS proselytizing those _behaviors_ as _principles_.
What makes him a nutter? The fact that he engages in things you find distasteful? It is fine to acknowledge that you do not participate in the same behaviors as him (I don't either!), but who died and made you the moral judge of what is "acceptable." One man's fetish is another man aversion. As long as he is not harming you, why do _really_ care what he does in private.
Why do you focus on the messenger and not the message?
RMS doesn't care what you think of him -- either you will respect him for his principles, or judge him based on his external appearance. He is smart enough to know which is more important, and assumes you are too.
- Copy ROM to a 16K Lang Card - Bank-switch to use the RAM Card @ $D000-$FFFF - Change it so the reset vector would jump to the monitor;-) - Make it read-only - Boot Copy ][+ (it had 3 tracks, each only _1_ sector long!!) - Reset - Save $800-$900 - Boot a normal DOS disk - Bsave the Copy ][+ image in memory:)
One of my highlights of my youth was getting an official Beagle Bros "Peeks and Pokes" chart. Even had the 16 Double Hi-Res colors printed in color! lol
I remember Bolo -- fun tank game! That was a real PITA to figure out the collision detection and cheat on that one! Ha!
I also remember Bilestoad. It was a top-down, pseudo 3D beat-em-up. I never was any good at it, so found it to be a little monotomous.
I'm one of the programmers who got into computers for all 3 reasons previously mentioned. You're right about trainers! We made our own!
Oh yeah! I almost forgot all about Nibble!! Nibble brings back memories! My librarian must of hated me, because I always had like half of them checked out at one time! It was a blast reading the disassembly columns and learning how things worked under the hood. "Beneath Apple DOS" was another great read. Ahh, when the days of writing your own sector editor made you a man;-)
I still remember the "fast" DOS's like Pronto Dos, Diversi Dos, etc. I never did figure out how they were able to get their speed ups -- too busy playing & hacking games!
I'm curious how many got into programming because of...
* "I wonder how this game works..." or
* "How do I remove the copy protection..."
* "How do I cheat...";-) The 6502 was a nice CPU where one person could not only memorize all the opcodes, but understand the whole machine.
I'm a little biased *cough*, but there is a a half-decent emulator (with mockingboard support) available at http://applewin.berlios.de/
Gaming genres were defined in the '80s. I would highly recommend checking these out:
* Anything by Br0derbund! (Lode Runner, Drol, Spare Change, Captain Goodnight, Carmen Sandiago) * Ultima series * Anything by the "Beagle Bros" for just plain hacking fun
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You mean like "Chicken of the Sea" ?
--
Mind, not Space, is the Final Frontier.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I can't find the source for the animations...
The only problem is that you lack knowledge of human history, of consciousness, and of life, thus you conclusion is invalid.
The interesting question is not "_When_ will remnants of Life be discovered on Mars", but "In _what_ dimensions will Life be found on it?" _Everything_ is alive, because everything is conscious. Mars one of the catalysts that helps us to "wake up."
> nothing, NADA, suggests life is out there.
I beg to differ. NASA's own footage shows otherwise. Evidence: The Case for NASA UFOs
> It's no real surprise that a game that offers extensive competition would outsell a game that,
The most popular games have been the ones that combine BOTH competition AND cooperation. i.e. MMORPGs, FPS.
Uh, games _by_ definition, have to have a winning/losing condition. That by it's nature defines a primitive form of competition.
Actually, I see this as a good thing. "What is good for the goose is good for the gander."
Maybe if enough companies get stung (can't compete) by the limitations of the insane patent laws, then they will be more compelled to remove them.
You missed his point:
Both the OS and Applications are software. One interacts with hardware at a lower level, the other at a higher level.
The definition of what makes an OS is arbitrary -- since where do you draw the line on what is low level or high level?
Having other people tell you what actually happened is of little value, because one needs to find their own proofs.
But to answer your question:
Nope, no palling around. Only met him for a few brief minutes, and never saw him ever again. What I do remember is this... (NOTE: If it helps you, then good. If not, then feel free to ignore it.)
'I was standing in an alley, he walked by, turned, came over to me, and I had this over-whelming "Total Acceptance" of "Unconditional Love" which the only way a person could relate to this is if they have had a NDE or similiar OBE dwelling in The Light. That was one the reasons he was so popular -- he _completely_ understand why you were the way you were and you felt totally inspired that if he became perfect so could you!'
'For us people who didn't know any better, he never judged you, just accepted you the way you were, and would question you to help you come to your own answers.'
'For the teachers, he righteously judged them for leading people away from life, i.e. the literal letter that killeth, because they made a dogma, tradition, and rules out of _every_ _little_ thing and completely missed the point. The Law was meant to provide freedom, not slavery. (The same is true with any "fundamentalists.") It is similar today with Law. Judges don't rule on the letter of the law, but on the intent, because that is what is trying to be captured with the written laws.'
As they say, "History is written by the winners", but it is _far_ more interesting to research what actually happened, and learn _why_. What is commonly believed about the The whole human history is woefully incomplete, but I tend not to focus on history, because the points are:
What are you doing _now_ about your situation?
How are you treating others?
If history interests you, definately pursue it! Keep an open mind about everything, as everything has (some) value. Whether it was true or not, doesn't matter if you learn something!
Cheers
> The original form? Were you there?
Yes, but that is completely _irrelevent_ to the fact that scriptures have been changed / edited / deleted to support those in power.
i.e.
In the Gospel of Luke in the Codex Bezae this passage was removed from the Christian Bible:
' On the same day, He (Jesus) beholding a man laboring on the Sabbath, said to him:
"Man if thou knowest what thou doest, blessed art thou;
if however thou dost not know, cursed art thou and a transgressor of the law." '
The point is, that in any scripture, there are enough remanants left to understand the deeper meanings if one has the desire to seek to know the deeper truths.
> What makes you think that particular message is true, but not others?
Your assumption is that truth is absolute. It is relative, because you can only understand as much truth as you are willing to live.
When you were a child, your parents gave you rules. Do you follow those exact same rules as an adult? No, because they served their purpose, and are able to see the reasoning being them, and come up with your own rules, and you understand the consequences.
Can a child do differential calculas? Why not? Because the mind hasn't been developed to understand principles on a deeper level. The same is true for Religion. Any one who practised animal sacrifice was like a child who didn't understand that it is our animal nature that we must sacrifice. When one takes a literal interpration, the contradictions are supposed to provoke the reader into reflective thinking.
Just because something has been currently corrupted & abused, doesn't mean in it's original form it wasn't useful.
Sweet! Gonna have to try that out -- I'm running OS X on an old PowerBook G3 (Bronze Keyboard) :-)
Thx for the info!
You are quite correct that a literal interpretation causes problems.
That is why Origen wrote...
"What man of sense will agree with the statement that the first, second and third days in which the evening is named and the morning, were without sun, moon and stars, and the first day without a heaven. What man is found such an idiot as to suppose that God planted trees in paradise in Eden, like a husbandman, and planted therein the tree of life, perceptible to the eyes and senses, which gave life to the eater thereof; and another tree which gave to the eater thereof a knowledge of good and evil? I believe that every man must hold these things for images, under which the hidden sense lies concealed."
- Origen - Huet., Prigeniana, 167 Franck, p. 142
Most people don't notice that day 2 is not called good. Of that few that do even notice, most can't explain why.
"Enlightenment" is not about going to this teacher, that guru, or whoever seems to be popular today, but about you finding your own answers within. It is a process. No one else can do it for you -- they have their own lives to live.
Why?
What are you afraid of?
Regarding Diablo II ...
- On PC Daemon Tools or Alcohol 120% works great.
- Does this Disk Utility trick work on an old Mac running OS X 10.3 ?
> it's important that we realize that religion makes people nuts.
You're blaming the symptom and ignoring the cause.
Most people don't understand the TRUE purpose of religion -- EVERY religion is kindergarten in the grades of spirituality. i.e. providing the basics, but woefully incomplete in any depth of true knowledge.
Usually the biggest problem is fundamentalists not being able to understand anything more then a literal interpretation of "scripture", and being completely oblivious to the fact that all of the You-niverse is scripture.
He's smart enough to know that when he is dead that his looks won't matter one bit in the end, but that the only important thing of value was that people saw the reasoning and long term consequences in living and upholding certain principles.
Would his message be more "embraced" if he was more "socially acceptable". Sure. Would "quantity" help out with "quality." Probably. I do not know why has isn't -- I can only assume that in the long run he doesn't think it a high priority. If people are that offended over something "simple", chances are they probably won't appreciate the deeper message.
> Smart people make reasonable allowances for judgments about appearance.
And mature people don't judge a book by its cover. The cover (or lack of it), whatever shape it is is, does not change your enjoyment of the story one bit.
> but on the whole he's a nutter. I don't want to be associated with Pan worshiping or nasal sex
I do not recall RMS proselytizing those _behaviors_ as _principles_.
What makes him a nutter? The fact that he engages in things you find distasteful? It is fine to acknowledge that you do not participate in the same behaviors as him (I don't either!), but who died and made you the moral judge of what is "acceptable." One man's fetish is another man aversion. As long as he is not harming you, why do _really_ care what he does in private.
Why do you focus on the messenger and not the message?
RMS doesn't care what you think of him -- either you will respect him for his principles, or judge him based on his external appearance. He is smart enough to know which is more important, and assumes you are too.
VERY COOL !
The Peeks n Pokes chart brings back memories!
Mod parent up as informative.
Exactly!!
;-) :)
One of the best hacks...
- Copy ROM to a 16K Lang Card
- Bank-switch to use the RAM Card @ $D000-$FFFF
- Change it so the reset vector would jump to the monitor
- Make it read-only
- Boot Copy ][+ (it had 3 tracks, each only _1_ sector long!!)
- Reset
- Save $800-$900
- Boot a normal DOS disk
- Bsave the Copy ][+ image in memory
> (complete with signature opening screens)
Yup! Sometimes the "krack" screens were more visually interesting then the games!
One of my highlights of my youth was getting an official Beagle Bros "Peeks and Pokes" chart. Even had the 16 Double Hi-Res colors printed in color! lol
I remember Bolo -- fun tank game! That was a real PITA to figure out the collision detection and cheat on that one! Ha!
I also remember Bilestoad. It was a top-down, pseudo 3D beat-em-up. I never was any good at it, so found it to be a little monotomous.
I'm one of the programmers who got into computers for all 3 reasons previously mentioned. You're right about trainers! We made our own!
I never had that book. Will have to check it out!
Oh yeah! I almost forgot all about Nibble!! Nibble brings back memories! My librarian must of hated me, because I always had like half of them checked out at one time! It was a blast reading the disassembly columns and learning how things worked under the hood. "Beneath Apple DOS" was another great read. Ahh, when the days of writing your own sector editor made you a man ;-)
I still remember the "fast" DOS's like Pronto Dos, Diversi Dos, etc. I never did figure out how they were able to get their speed ups -- too busy playing & hacking games!
I'm curious how many got into programming because of ...
;-) The 6502 was a nice CPU where one person could not only memorize all the opcodes, but understand the whole machine.
* "I wonder how this game works..." or
* "How do I remove the copy protection..."
* "How do I cheat..."
I'm a little biased *cough*, but there is a a half-decent emulator (with mockingboard support) available at http://applewin.berlios.de/
Gaming genres were defined in the '80s. I would highly recommend checking these out:
* Anything by Br0derbund! (Lode Runner, Drol, Spare Change, Captain Goodnight, Carmen Sandiago)
* Ultima series
* Anything by the "Beagle Bros" for just plain hacking fun
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*C600G