you do not need to pay a licensing fee for each node
At purchase, you get Mac OS X Server on each node. BUT, if you want to upgrade, you *must* buy an OS license for each node. There is an OS upgrade option that will get you free upgrades for three years, for a fee.
Many people think incorrectly that you can buy only one copy of the OS and then load it on each and every node. The confusion may come from the fact that there is an unlimited amount of clients allowed with the full-price Mac OS X Server. However, a new Xserve node is not another client!
Speaking from experience: waiting for my X serve G5 cluster...
I ordered a four-node Xserve cluster. I made the final choice after looking at Xgrid and seeing how easy it is to set up. I will be doing HTD with AutoDock. I don't know of anybody else using the same hardware/software combination...
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I got an offer at the Apple Store Europe online for a 4-node Xserve cluster. I was given a substantial rebate of about 15 % on the grounds that I will use the hardware for scientific research -- albeit for a commercial company. Extra memory is also on sale at the moment. Check it out before you buy a Dell or something.
I think your argument doesn't quite fly. Its flaw is the notion that Apple makes most money from software and not hardware. The opposite is true.
If people buy Apple hardware to run Linux on it, that's no threat to Apple, as long as they sell that hardware. Indeed, for some times now Terrasoft has been selling Xserves pre-loaded with Linux with Apple's blessings.
The iApps are just there to entice people to buy hardware. Their modest -- and very reasonable -- price is aimed at recovering some costs. Plus, they could be ported to Linux if necessary, as iTunes has been ported to Windows -- to increase sales of iPod hardware.
So, as you seem to imply, Linux isn't going to shift the balance in favour of PC hardware. One reason for that may be that running Linux on an Apple is the ultimate sign of rebellion. But that's just fine with Apple. Plus, they are going to gain new market share by allowing all possible applications running on Linux to run on a Mac too. Either with Linux, or with X11 and/or KDE running on OS X. Therefore Apple has no reason to be against Linux and Open Source.
As far as I understand, you bought an Xserve, and with expanded memory and hard disk space, without knowing if your software would run on it. A bit risky perhaps. Maybe next time you could test your software on a cheaper machine. Most if not all Macs will run the same Mac OS server software as the Xserve.
I am also interested in buying an Xserve cluster, but I am trying out the cluster management software and the applications on a cheaper "cluster" made of my old G4 and my wife's iMac, before I commit any real money.
What about his parents? If they don't know anything about computers in general, and their son's interests in particular, why on earth do they go out and buy this very expensive system? What about a $ 3000 CompUSA gift certificate, next time?
It seems to me that the entire family is highly dysfunctional, in addition to having way too much money.
As a scientist, I can justify the purchase of one or more macs -- with a straight face -- because of X11. That't the only way I can get the software I need up and running now (although I needed it yesterday).
X11 may not be beautiful, but face it, developers of specialized software rooted in legacy code aren't going to turn into sleek, fashionable Cocoa-only coders for the love of Steve. Similarly, the Gimp folks aren't going to neglect their Linux and Windows audience to concentrate on Objective C.
Apple embraced Open GL, Perl, Python, Java, and nobody complained. Say hello to X11.
If the noise is not the problem, then what's keeping the G5-Xserve?
Yes, I am interested in buying an Xserve cluster. Do you have any experince with them? Where does one get the Cluster Management Software? Thanks!
Well, what if you are forced to use Windows, yet you don't get enough support, and you have to install software yourself, for your daily work?
Do you go back to the office in the middle of the night, in order not to disrupt your own daily schedule?
The official OS here is Windows 2000. This one needs to restart even after installing third party applications that have nothing to do with the OS. (Now, I am not allowed to upgrade to XP).
By contrast, OS X, basically from day one, only needs to be restarted after installing an handful of components, such as Quicktime and Java, in addition to the OS itself, of course.
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Re:The 4 People Who Switched To OSX (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward
Another point to consider is that after someone drops a couple or three thousands dollars of dollars on their Apple rig, there is a strong psychological need to justify the expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very expensive choice was a mistake. In other words, such a party would not be the most objective source for information.
My parody reply to it:
Another point to consider is that after someone spends a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux, there is a strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very time-consuming choice was a mistake. Etc.
I don't think it's an issue of cost. People that have the education to use computers are relatively well off, and the price difference between a Mac and a PC won't break them. To paraphrase you, time and knowledge will give you money, and vice-versa.
Moreover, for most Linux users would be even cheaper to go and use the Windows OS that came installed on their machines of choice. At least they would save time. Indeed, at least here in Europe, sleek-packaged Linux distros sold in stores are quite popular. Each box costs a good third or even half of the corresponding Mac or Windows OS box.
Linux users think Linux is cool. So do Mac users of their OS. The latters may have more spare time to do other things.
Another point to consider is that after someone spends a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux, there is a strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very time-consuming choice was a mistake. Etc.
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Just a guess:
/Users/"local_user"/Library/Preferences
/System/Library/Preferences
look under
or
you will (maybe) find a file corresponding to your settings, in the xml or "plist" format. For the latter there is an Apple plist editor.
Best of luck!
you do not need to pay a licensing fee for each node
At purchase, you get Mac OS X Server on each node. BUT, if you want to upgrade, you *must* buy an OS license for each node. There is an OS upgrade option that will get you free upgrades for three years, for a fee.
Many people think incorrectly that you can buy only one copy of the OS and then load it on each and every node. The confusion may come from the fact that there is an unlimited amount of clients allowed with the full-price Mac OS X Server. However, a new Xserve node is not another client!
Speaking from experience: waiting for my X serve G5 cluster...
If you purchased a copy of Hypercard (like I did), you can have Supercard at $ 129 instead of $ 179.
In case somebody is interested.
I ordered a four-node Xserve cluster. I made the final choice after looking at Xgrid and seeing how easy it is to set up. I will be doing HTD with AutoDock. I don't know of anybody else using the same hardware/software combination...
I got an offer at the Apple Store Europe online for a 4-node Xserve cluster. I was given a substantial rebate of about 15 % on the grounds that I will use the hardware for scientific research -- albeit for a commercial company. Extra memory is also on sale at the moment. Check it out before you buy a Dell or something.
I think your argument doesn't quite fly. Its flaw is the notion that Apple makes most money from software and not hardware. The opposite is true.
If people buy Apple hardware to run Linux on it, that's no threat to Apple, as long as they sell that hardware. Indeed, for some times now Terrasoft has been selling Xserves pre-loaded with Linux with Apple's blessings.
The iApps are just there to entice people to buy hardware. Their modest -- and very reasonable -- price is aimed at recovering some costs. Plus, they could be ported to Linux if necessary, as iTunes has been ported to Windows -- to increase sales of iPod hardware.
So, as you seem to imply, Linux isn't going to shift the balance in favour of PC hardware. One reason for that may be that running Linux on an Apple is the ultimate sign of rebellion. But that's just fine with Apple. Plus, they are going to gain new market share by allowing all possible applications running on Linux to run on a Mac too. Either with Linux, or with X11 and/or KDE running on OS X. Therefore Apple has no reason to be against Linux and Open Source.
As far as I understand, you bought an Xserve, and with expanded memory and hard disk space, without knowing if your software would run on it. A bit risky perhaps. Maybe next time you could test your software on a cheaper machine. Most if not all Macs will run the same Mac OS server software as the Xserve.
I am also interested in buying an Xserve cluster, but I am trying out the cluster management software and the applications on a cheaper "cluster" made of my old G4 and my wife's iMac, before I commit any real money.
What about his parents? If they don't know anything about computers in general, and their son's interests in particular, why on earth do they go out and buy this very expensive system? What about a $ 3000 CompUSA gift certificate, next time?
It seems to me that the entire family is highly dysfunctional, in addition to having way too much money.
it is a carbon app
You mean Cocoa, I guess? Anyway, thanks for your informative post.
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for all "jubeboxes" iPods are at # 1, 2, and 4 link
for all "MP3 players" iPods are at # 1, 4, and 5 link
The ranking changes by the minute, so you may see a slightly different result.
La via sola al paradiso incommincia nel inferno
The correct current spelling is
La via sola al paradiso incomincia nell'inferno.
Is this a quote from an old text?
I dont think apple is making $100 profit on each ipod
According to this , every $ 499 iPod makes up to $ 175 in profit.
You write:
Aside from minor typos "Upon reboot, staring MS Word for the first time takes 6 seconds"
maybe the author meant that he/she can't *bear* the sight of MS Word for more than six seconds!
I was just kidding of course. My wife, I, and our three Macs are doing fine too, thanks.
Of course you can quote me, my friend!
[...]my best friend becoming a Mac user and then coming out of the closet.[...]
My girlfriend is quickly becoming a Mac-o-holic...
Yes, you still have Photoshop. But:
1) Photoshop isn't Cocoa, it's Carbon. Shame on you for using it, that makes you unclean.
2) if you Cocoa-only zealots have your way, the Mac will be so marginalized that even Adobe will pull the plug.
And by the way, quick, name five native Cocoa apps.
As a scientist, I can justify the purchase of one or more macs -- with a straight face -- because of X11. That't the only way I can get the software I need up and running now (although I needed it yesterday).
X11 may not be beautiful, but face it, developers of specialized software rooted in legacy code aren't going to turn into sleek, fashionable Cocoa-only coders for the love of Steve. Similarly, the Gimp folks aren't going to neglect their Linux and Windows audience to concentrate on Objective C.
Apple embraced Open GL, Perl, Python, Java, and nobody complained. Say hello to X11.
Memory is cheap -- software development isn't.
If the noise is not the problem, then what's keeping the G5-Xserve?
Yes, I am interested in buying an Xserve cluster. Do you have any experince with them? Where does one get the Cluster Management Software? Thanks!
Well, what if you are forced to use Windows, yet you don't get enough support, and you have to install software yourself, for your daily work?
Do you go back to the office in the middle of the night, in order not to disrupt your own daily schedule?
The official OS here is Windows 2000. This one needs to restart even after installing third party applications that have nothing to do with the OS. (Now, I am not allowed to upgrade to XP).
By contrast, OS X, basically from day one, only needs to be restarted after installing an handful of components, such as Quicktime and Java, in addition to the OS itself, of course.
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Original post:
Re:The 4 People Who Switched To OSX (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward
Another point to consider is that after someone drops a couple or three thousands dollars of dollars on their Apple rig, there is a strong psychological need to justify the expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very expensive choice was a mistake. In other words, such a party would not be the most objective source for information.
My parody reply to it:
Another point to consider is that after someone spends a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux, there is a strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very time-consuming choice was a mistake. Etc.
See my point now?
My post was a parody of its parent. Maybe you should do a little more reading before replying in such earnest.
I don't think it's an issue of cost. People that have the education to use computers are relatively well off, and the price difference between a Mac and a PC won't break them. To paraphrase you, time and knowledge will give you money, and vice-versa.
Moreover, for most Linux users would be even cheaper to go and use the Windows OS that came installed on their machines of choice. At least they would save time. Indeed, at least here in Europe, sleek-packaged Linux distros sold in stores are quite popular. Each box costs a good third or even half of the corresponding Mac or Windows OS box.
Linux users think Linux is cool. So do Mac users of their OS. The latters may have more spare time to do other things.
I run Gimp on OS X. Good and successful Linux apps will always be ported to OS X.
Another point to consider is that after someone spends a couple of weeks installing and hand-tuning Linux, there is a strong psychological need to justify such time expenditure. Very few folks want to reveal publically that their very time-consuming choice was a mistake. Etc.