The problem with creative property (ugh, but it does sound better than IP) is that without some sort of law, it can't be owned outright like material property. The minute it is shown, displayed, or performed in public, it is out of the bag. In the olden days, it meant other people could write it down, sing it, or otherwise reproduce it with there own hands which usually didn't make as good of a copy, certainly not an accurate copy. Now that virtually identical copies can be made for little cost, natural ownership is all but impossible unless it is shown/performed in a closed room with all witnesses signing enforcable nondisclosure contracts.
So we have a law, that gives the owner complete control over his creation as long as everyone abides by the law. But, it is an unreasonable law, at least to those who want to create new creations that build on existing creations, which happens to be the way creative work has almost always been done. Visual artists, musicians, and writers have always had role models, teachers, and their work to inspire them to create something new, but usually retaining something of the masters' work. Too many people think it is ridiculus to look back to the previous centuries for all inspiration. This is the point of the original article, that recent culture is owned and can't be discussed or interpretted or used without the owner's permission.
Sure, someone might not want their work used to sell commercial products, but I don't think that is the problem. The problem is that new work gets this permission automatically whether or not the creator registers his copyright. The potential user is in a risky position when he wants to make fair use because the owner or his agents might demand payment or some other condition that he won't be able to live with. And the only way to know for sure is to refuse to settle, go to court, and all that other stuff that we really don't want our young artists to do. To a large extent, once a work has gone public and become part of our culture, it really isn't the personal property of the creator any longer.
Other people, consumers, have a different problem with the IP laws as they exist. It is so easy to make copies, it is difficult to comprehend exactly what it is the music and film industry are for. Developing new talent, packaging the disks, financing artists that might not ever make enough money to finance themselves. Sure, there is some risk there, but new distribution methods where artists can set up a relatively inexpensive website with a tip jar or something are available and real fans don't mind sending money directly to creators. There is a level of trust involved that old business models don't have, there are no guarantees that people will get paid. So, I don't think we are there yet, but the old business model is clearly broken.
We are heading back to a business model for creatives that pays people for doing something more than for owning something. The rest of the industry will also make money by doing something tangible, by making CDs, DVDs, packaging, organizing tours, designing webpages, etc. There is a lot of real work to do, stuff where the laws are more clearcut and enforcable.
I agree. I've wondered much why you don't see this sort of moderation system elsewhere. Is it really that hard to manage? It takes awhile to get your karma up, but if he writes well, even a newbie's posts can get modded up where it will be seen.
Actually, if it is well written, makes interesting points, and attracts interesting replies, I will mod it interesting (+1) no matter which side of the issue I stand on.
That is the point that must be driven into the heads of the don't know/don't care people. The various industries that benefit from the long copyrights are very good at invoking the welfare of the artists, the actual creators of IP, even though most artists can't live off the royalties. Live performance is the only way to make a living for most of those who can make a living off their creations. All the money gets eaten up by the starmaking machinery behind the popular song, film, and book.
If you didn't see Courtney Love does the Math in the Weird Al thread, please read it. it is a rather intelligent rant from the artist POV.
A shallow understanding of copyright law would make it seem that artists and their fans would be on opposite sides of this issue. But, except for a few who have retired on their royalty checks and no longer need to create or perform, that isn't the case. It is fans and artists vs the distribution industry. As soon as everyone understands that it is artists who should get paid for creating and while the distributors should get paid for distributing, and royalties should only be an incentive to artists as originally intended, then maybe our culture will belong to us and not locked up in private hands. Once an artist goes public with his work, then it is no longer private property. The copyright is simply a reward for contributing to the public forum. Wasn't that the original intent of the US short copyright?
I do understand that all openings would need to be covered. Although doors would be a problem, I think that when the film starts, a curtain could cover the opening. Once the show starts there isn't much traffic in and out of the room. I'm not sure what size mesh would be required, that could be a problem with the air vents if it isn't large enough.
If the person next to you talked through the entire show, you probably would mind. But this is a problem even without phones when they are talking to another person in the room. I did manage to sit in a sold out show right next to someone who felt the need to explain every plot point and moral issue of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire to their apparently stupid child.
Right you are about paints and such. You can buy all kinds of products. While this particular garment wouldn't help with this problem, it would go well with this hat.
As usual, you probably don't want either of them. If time was wasted neutralizing the harmless earing, there will be less flashes to disrupt the real camera. I don't know how many bad frames the pirates will tolerate, but they will probably continue to sell DVDs with only an occassional flash.
Look at your signal strenght meter. If you have no bars, you are in a deadzone possibly because the room is a faraday cage. If you have full power, but your phone doesn't work, they you are being jammed. The first is legal, but the second is illegal since a disruptive signal is being transmitted. It's hard to enforce though since an illegal transmission can be turned off if the owner thinks someone has complained to appropriate authority. The appropriate authority is the FCC which might not care.
If your theater turns itself into a faraday cage and you want to recieve emergency calls, just give your phone to an employee on the way in. Theater would incur a cost for installing faraday cage and ongoing costs if additional employees are needed, but if customers really care, they will pay.
I've seen churches that have numeric displays to the side of the main stage where a number flashes when a parent needs to make a quick trip to the nursery. (the parents are given numbers when the babies are checked in). It seems theaters could do something similar except that you would check your phone instead of your baby. But then, many churches seem to be way ahead of the multiplex with this sort of technology.
I know you aren't required to RTFA, but I did and discovered that when it detects a camera, it aims and flashes a light that isn't bright enough to harm human or machine, but does mess up the picture. I suppose in the case of motion pictures, it would do this repeatedly and totally confuse any automated light metering.
They aren't talking about still cameras, they are talking about cameras that take several frames a second. But now that you mention it, are there any movie cameras that use SLR technology?
a few other countries seem to think rampant corruption is acceptable and just the way it is
and that is what makes the difference. While Americans, especially those with political and business power, may be no more virtuous than their counterparts elsewhere, most people with power are smart enough to recognize that corrupt behaviour is something to hide. When a person is caught, someone will use that fact or even the perception of wrongdoing to pull them down. It's a form of checks and balances, most people in power are balanced out by other people or groups with power.
The lack of a common language is a problem for anyone who would like to hire or be hired without also hiring a slew of translators or language instructors. Although many people complain about culture and language problems when dealing with Indians, at least they do speak a variant of English.
Hey, I was about to write that! But, it's the best kind of joke, one with some truth, in that for that country to be responsible for so much spam, they gotta have a few tech savvy individual there and that's a rung on the ladder. Unless all those nice Nigerians are really hackers in Wisconsin spoofing the Nigerian email addresses.
Every top ten item is a diaper, #11 is Bounty towels which I suppose could be used as diapers, then it is back to diapers again until the fertility test #14 and razors at #15, then it's all diapers and babywipes again to round out the top 20.
Yes, there are a lot of ways to find obscure information on the internet and there are workarounds for most every problem. But, I'm sad that if this is as much of a problem as you say it is, that the people who are knowledgable are doing such a poor job getting it into the mainstream news. It is one thing to need bugmenot and google cache and other tools to dig up stuff of interest only to a few, but if these people have something important for the rest of us, they should work to get published elsewhere. I mean - it isn't that hard to publish your findings, maybe an abstract of your more scholarly work, on a personal website and arrange for a few good links on slashdot, delicious, and similar.
Sorry about your attention problem. If your mind wanders off topic while you write, maybe your draft is a bit too rough to be submitted as is. The extra punctuation does make your message a bit strange to read. Usually authors use ellipsises to indicate that they are referring to a list of objects or ideas that are frequently considered together and that this is done so often, that the list needn't be spelled out.
Here are two articles from Nature and Science journal...
No, they are just links, but not to articles
Apparently this is a non-news outside of a scientific community, for some reason...
It is non-news because most people outside the scientific community aren't going to pay to read these articles. And no one who has read it has thought it newsworthy enough to discuss on a mainstream, nonscientific or free website.
And what's with all the ellipseses, I didn't insert those. Why must all your sentences end with 3 periods?
Lying on the beach on a Florida key, about halfway down the string, it was awesome. It was about 20 years ago so things may have changed, but I was on a less developed key between a couple of other less developed keys.
I know I'm going to die. My opinion isn't going to change that fact. Whether I care about the future of the human race is a different matter. For all I know, God might replace us with something better.
You are so right to recognize that preparation to survive the big disaster isn't enough to motivate us. Just look at New Orleans for an example of how not to prepare for something everyone knew was going to happen. When Carnival markets a cruise, they spend more on telling us about the nightclubs, arcades, etc, than on the lifeboats. No one gets excited about lifeboats until they are needed.
On the ballot you select you first choice then your second choice on down the ballot.
This is one of several voting systems that are alternatives to the USA's obsolete "first past the post" system that has been enhanced with a "winner takes all" electoral college. Most of the democratic world uses one of these other systems, it is time for US to do likewise. Until then, the two viable parties will continue to compaign on the wrong issues. Every once in awhile, a third party or independent candidate can inject issues into the debate, but currently that is about all they can do, since most voters do not want to waste a vote on them.
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The problem with creative property (ugh, but it does sound better than IP) is that without some sort of law, it can't be owned outright like material property. The minute it is shown, displayed, or performed in public, it is out of the bag. In the olden days, it meant other people could write it down, sing it, or otherwise reproduce it with there own hands which usually didn't make as good of a copy, certainly not an accurate copy. Now that virtually identical copies can be made for little cost, natural ownership is all but impossible unless it is shown/performed in a closed room with all witnesses signing enforcable nondisclosure contracts.
So we have a law, that gives the owner complete control over his creation as long as everyone abides by the law. But, it is an unreasonable law, at least to those who want to create new creations that build on existing creations, which happens to be the way creative work has almost always been done. Visual artists, musicians, and writers have always had role models, teachers, and their work to inspire them to create something new, but usually retaining something of the masters' work. Too many people think it is ridiculus to look back to the previous centuries for all inspiration. This is the point of the original article, that recent culture is owned and can't be discussed or interpretted or used without the owner's permission.
Sure, someone might not want their work used to sell commercial products, but I don't think that is the problem. The problem is that new work gets this permission automatically whether or not the creator registers his copyright. The potential user is in a risky position when he wants to make fair use because the owner or his agents might demand payment or some other condition that he won't be able to live with. And the only way to know for sure is to refuse to settle, go to court, and all that other stuff that we really don't want our young artists to do. To a large extent, once a work has gone public and become part of our culture, it really isn't the personal property of the creator any longer.
Other people, consumers, have a different problem with the IP laws as they exist. It is so easy to make copies, it is difficult to comprehend exactly what it is the music and film industry are for. Developing new talent, packaging the disks, financing artists that might not ever make enough money to finance themselves. Sure, there is some risk there, but new distribution methods where artists can set up a relatively inexpensive website with a tip jar or something are available and real fans don't mind sending money directly to creators. There is a level of trust involved that old business models don't have, there are no guarantees that people will get paid. So, I don't think we are there yet, but the old business model is clearly broken.
We are heading back to a business model for creatives that pays people for doing something more than for owning something. The rest of the industry will also make money by doing something tangible, by making CDs, DVDs, packaging, organizing tours, designing webpages, etc. There is a lot of real work to do, stuff where the laws are more clearcut and enforcable.
I agree. I've wondered much why you don't see this sort of moderation system elsewhere. Is it really that hard to manage? It takes awhile to get your karma up, but if he writes well, even a newbie's posts can get modded up where it will be seen.
Actually, if it is well written, makes interesting points, and attracts interesting replies, I will mod it interesting (+1) no matter which side of the issue I stand on.
That is the point that must be driven into the heads of the don't know/don't care people. The various industries that benefit from the long copyrights are very good at invoking the welfare of the artists, the actual creators of IP, even though most artists can't live off the royalties. Live performance is the only way to make a living for most of those who can make a living off their creations. All the money gets eaten up by the starmaking machinery behind the popular song, film, and book.
If you didn't see Courtney Love does the Math in the Weird Al thread, please read it. it is a rather intelligent rant from the artist POV.
A shallow understanding of copyright law would make it seem that artists and their fans would be on opposite sides of this issue. But, except for a few who have retired on their royalty checks and no longer need to create or perform, that isn't the case. It is fans and artists vs the distribution industry. As soon as everyone understands that it is artists who should get paid for creating and while the distributors should get paid for distributing, and royalties should only be an incentive to artists as originally intended, then maybe our culture will belong to us and not locked up in private hands. Once an artist goes public with his work, then it is no longer private property. The copyright is simply a reward for contributing to the public forum. Wasn't that the original intent of the US short copyright?
I do understand that all openings would need to be covered. Although doors would be a problem, I think that when the film starts, a curtain could cover the opening. Once the show starts there isn't much traffic in and out of the room. I'm not sure what size mesh would be required, that could be a problem with the air vents if it isn't large enough.
If the person next to you talked through the entire show, you probably would mind. But this is a problem even without phones when they are talking to another person in the room. I did manage to sit in a sold out show right next to someone who felt the need to explain every plot point and moral issue of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire to their apparently stupid child.
Right you are about paints and such. You can buy all kinds of products. While this particular garment wouldn't help with this problem, it would go well with this hat.
As usual, you probably don't want either of them. If time was wasted neutralizing the harmless earing, there will be less flashes to disrupt the real camera. I don't know how many bad frames the pirates will tolerate, but they will probably continue to sell DVDs with only an occassional flash.
Look at your signal strenght meter. If you have no bars, you are in a deadzone possibly because the room is a faraday cage. If you have full power, but your phone doesn't work, they you are being jammed. The first is legal, but the second is illegal since a disruptive signal is being transmitted. It's hard to enforce though since an illegal transmission can be turned off if the owner thinks someone has complained to appropriate authority. The appropriate authority is the FCC which might not care.
If your theater turns itself into a faraday cage and you want to recieve emergency calls, just give your phone to an employee on the way in. Theater would incur a cost for installing faraday cage and ongoing costs if additional employees are needed, but if customers really care, they will pay.
Here's a product for an entrepreneurally minded /. person:
Most theaters have some kind of curtain all over the walls. Embed wires in the cloth to create a faraday cage.
I've seen churches that have numeric displays to the side of the main stage where a number flashes when a parent needs to make a quick trip to the nursery. (the parents are given numbers when the babies are checked in). It seems theaters could do something similar except that you would check your phone instead of your baby. But then, many churches seem to be way ahead of the multiplex with this sort of technology.
I know you aren't required to RTFA, but I did and discovered that when it detects a camera, it aims and flashes a light that isn't bright enough to harm human or machine, but does mess up the picture. I suppose in the case of motion pictures, it would do this repeatedly and totally confuse any automated light metering.
Same article, Gatech website
They aren't talking about still cameras, they are talking about cameras that take several frames a second. But now that you mention it, are there any movie cameras that use SLR technology?
a few other countries seem to think rampant corruption is acceptable and just the way it is
and that is what makes the difference. While Americans, especially those with political and business power, may be no more virtuous than their counterparts elsewhere, most people with power are smart enough to recognize that corrupt behaviour is something to hide. When a person is caught, someone will use that fact or even the perception of wrongdoing to pull them down. It's a form of checks and balances, most people in power are balanced out by other people or groups with power.
The lack of a common language is a problem for anyone who would like to hire or be hired without also hiring a slew of translators or language instructors. Although many people complain about culture and language problems when dealing with Indians, at least they do speak a variant of English.
Hey, I was about to write that! But, it's the best kind of joke, one with some truth, in that for that country to be responsible for so much spam, they gotta have a few tech savvy individual there and that's a rung on the ladder. Unless all those nice Nigerians are really hackers in Wisconsin spoofing the Nigerian email addresses.
Every top ten item is a diaper, #11 is Bounty towels which I suppose could be used as diapers, then it is back to diapers again until the fertility test #14 and razors at #15, then it's all diapers and babywipes again to round out the top 20.
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yeah, mead is fermented honey, GP was referring to using nector obtained straight from the flower by people, not bees.
The first to fight off bees for honey was probably a bear, not a human, humans probably got the idea from watching the bear.
Would that be bricklayers? or the other kind?
Yes, there are a lot of ways to find obscure information on the internet and there are workarounds for most every problem. But, I'm sad that if this is as much of a problem as you say it is, that the people who are knowledgable are doing such a poor job getting it into the mainstream news. It is one thing to need bugmenot and google cache and other tools to dig up stuff of interest only to a few, but if these people have something important for the rest of us, they should work to get published elsewhere. I mean - it isn't that hard to publish your findings, maybe an abstract of your more scholarly work, on a personal website and arrange for a few good links on slashdot, delicious, and similar.
Sorry about your attention problem. If your mind wanders off topic while you write, maybe your draft is a bit too rough to be submitted as is. The extra punctuation does make your message a bit strange to read. Usually authors use ellipsises to indicate that they are referring to a list of objects or ideas that are frequently considered together and that this is done so often, that the list needn't be spelled out.
Here are two articles from Nature and Science journal...
No, they are just links, but not to articles
Apparently this is a non-news outside of a scientific community, for some reason...
It is non-news because most people outside the scientific community aren't going to pay to read these articles. And no one who has read it has thought it newsworthy enough to discuss on a mainstream, nonscientific or free website.
And what's with all the ellipseses, I didn't insert those. Why must all your sentences end with 3 periods?
Lying on the beach on a Florida key, about halfway down the string, it was awesome. It was about 20 years ago so things may have changed, but I was on a less developed key between a couple of other less developed keys.
It's just the outreach guys' way of trying to get to know a few good women.
Cosmic Radiation is simply another challenge to overcome. I don't see why it should stop us anymore than bad weather keeps planes from flying.
I know I'm going to die. My opinion isn't going to change that fact. Whether I care about the future of the human race is a different matter. For all I know, God might replace us with something better.
You are so right to recognize that preparation to survive the big disaster isn't enough to motivate us. Just look at New Orleans for an example of how not to prepare for something everyone knew was going to happen. When Carnival markets a cruise, they spend more on telling us about the nightclubs, arcades, etc, than on the lifeboats. No one gets excited about lifeboats until they are needed.
On the ballot you select you first choice then your second choice on down the ballot.
This is one of several voting systems that are alternatives to the USA's obsolete "first past the post" system that has been enhanced with a "winner takes all" electoral college. Most of the democratic world uses one of these other systems, it is time for US to do likewise. Until then, the two viable parties will continue to compaign on the wrong issues. Every once in awhile, a third party or independent candidate can inject issues into the debate, but currently that is about all they can do, since most voters do not want to waste a vote on them.