I like to think of myself as libertarian, but you know why I dont vote for libertarians???
The party is full of disorganized kooks. If the party had more organized leadership, I'd vote for them. Instead, I have to succumb some of my belifs and vote Republican. Sure as hell beats voting Democrap and having 1.6 Billion more go to Welfare and its ilk.
Even in the area where I live (Indiana), a local Libertarian which I did vote for changed to Republican. He will get my vote, along with having more vote for him.
>>>Hey, I didn't write the parent post, but I thought I would chime in anyway.
I did write it, and I still stand by it. I was thinking about all the American, Canadian, Mexican, and all of Europe's software developers and what they write for the masses. Even what could be consideed 3'rd world (Hungary) has a high profile developers who make MPlayer.
I wrote that with this in mind... I did fail to think about Anjuta (India). The Zebra project I always associated to that with "FSF". My mistake;-|
>>>The original poster didn't talk about race. You did.
>>>The original poster was talking about different *nationalities*. Different nations have different educational systems and they are at different level of economic development. One would think that we could draw conclusions about programmers based on the nations they inhabit *without* talking about race.
I was concluding why we dont see a porportanate amount of GPL-like software out of those countries when we KNOW there's some smart cookies (whoops, more idiots might think I'm insulting yet another racial group) over there.
I just LOVE that everyone is hunting for words to make somebody look like a RACIST.
>>>First of all this question reeks of racism. "They're" so good at computers? Much like asians are good at math, black people are good at sports and all Irish people like fighting?
Yeah... They're applies to all Indians just as much "computer geek" applies to all Americans. Talk about a jackass. What's the story about?? Hmmm. Computer job Outsourcing....
>>>Anyway, if asked seriously,
No, I was hoping to cash my modpoints in for that new car.
>>>in China the idea of "free knowledge exchange" is not exactly a popular one as it is regularly looked down-upon by the government (and is even used as a reason to prosecute people).
Yeah, and there's that fact that China was taken over in the 50's by help of the Soviets. I bet they'd help more if they wern't soo oppressed.
>>>In India, I imagine it isn't as popular as you would think it to be because the average person does not own a computer. If you looked at the number of computers per person in America versus India, I bet it would portray a picture where India is very behind, on a broad level, in terms of technical advancement. What's the point of free knowledge exchange if you don't even have a computer (let alone an internet connection)?
Who usually has (access to) computers first?? Oh wait, its the geeks! Then answer me why there isnt at least 1 high profile project that's ran by an Indian developer?
>>>Japan. Who knows? They have a history of consumer electronics and seem to be continually working to fill that niche. More recently, they seem to be filling in the mobile technology area.
I can also recall that there's some reallyu cool software for P2P only found in Japanese. The guy wont release source due to people using it out of Japan (wtf? as it's anon coder and no money is made on it)
I was trying to be subtle with the nuances of "Organized Peaceful Anarchy".
Working anarchies such as the Ikung people (search anarchy on everything2.com) are no good over about 20 people. Also, if a group of people come together (organize) and plan for rules for everyone to follow, that would be government, albeit a small one. The Ikung have rules where banishment is allowed only under extreme circumstances, which would say there's some sort of loose government to define "extreme"...
I admit "Peaceful" was a jab at the common thinking of "Mad Max" type of anarchy. Murder, Rape, Arson: what normal people think about anarchy.
"If the US was as competitive as India is, do you think open source would be where it is today?"
Yes, because they're always Idealists. Stallman comes to mind, as he made the first powerful editor available over a TTY, and gave away a multi-platform C(++) compiler.
I can make guesses of what might happen, but that's all they are. I'm asking a question for present day.
Try reading the responses...
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This place makes a damned good response for a computerised GP, without bedside manner, of course.
It'd be great for doing sanity checks when the doc says this, but the computer shows that there's a 76% chance that it's really "this" and provides possible tests to take the probability to 99+%
I bet there'll be people saying that this ISNT what is needed.. Of course, the AMA wouldnt want us to have that sort of power. The AMA even fights for doctors so that the general public cant see a malpractice sheet ona doctor, when any doc can.
>>>You have a real, serious, caffine addiction. We joke about it, but it's not healthy, and not fun. I know someone that chugs down Coke like mad, all day long, along with strong coffee -- high, steady doses do bad things to people.
What's strange is I can consume up to 3 pots of coffee a day, but I'm not addicted to it. I dont drink sugar-waters (cokes and their ilk) or other caffinated liquids. I've went without coffee for up to a month and feel NO ill effects any time during that. To me, it's just a blackish-looking bitter tasting hot liquid.
I have a feeling that my body chemistry is not your normal either. I'm pretty much immune to wasp and bee stings, but mosquitos put 1 inch welts on me.
Oh well, I guess each to their own;-) Good luck on that caffine addiction.
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Hey, I've got some Deadly Nightshade here that'll cure ANY ailment, including life!!!!
100% natural, no perservatives, no harmful "chemicals"
>>>"Spiritual" side of love is IMHO based on "Games people play".
>>>It basically means that you are recognizing that the other can become your "playmate" since you both play the same game at the compatible roles.
I hate to make a brash assumption, but you dont have a SO, do you? I'd admit talking to a girl (you sure?) on a webcam is wholly different than meeting her in person and going out to supper, but saying the "Spiritual side of love" is a game....
When you're with your true partner, there's something much stronger than some sexual bond or common likes. There's a bond that can sense anything: pain, love, hate. What's sad is that I cant describe how wonderful it is to have "it". Love. It's sort of trying to describe color to a blind man.
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That's when I'd have Mr. Policeman come and get my shit back. Course, I'd file harassment, threat and theft charges at them. And also get the names to call the other "firees" (I'm assuming they fired them so they can get around unemployment) so they can join your suit.
1: Errors in the runtime environment that result to overflows
>>>Might happen - haven't had many (any?) of those yet and.NET has been out for some time. The reduction of potential errors is still huge - instead of certain flaws occuring in any bit of software, they can only occur in the runtime. The runtime might not be perfect, but the programming model will still prevent the kind of error that was announced today. So instead of having to potentially patch every app for buffer overflows, you only have to deal with the runtime. And Microsoft will be able to spend a lot more time doing security audits on the important code, since other code will be safer by default.
From what I've seen, most really arent using.Net compilers. The colleges are teaching Java, C , and C++ using either GCC or MS Visual C.
2: Mis-documented libraries...are a problem everywhere. The.NET framework libraries have already had a couple of years testing, and will very mature by the time Longhorn is released. I'd rather my applications use managed, well-documented, high-level libraries than not.
What I really worry about is that creeping errors that force the users to juggle between versions of.net to run certain un-updated programs. I'm thinking of the similar problems that haunt Linux/unix programs that are made for 1 version of a lib. Of course, there's 3 different programs that need diferent versions because of inconsitincies (think SDL)
3: Calls made to 'hidden libs' that result to runtime crashing/burning
>>>"Hidden libs"? Who would be doing the calling I wonder? The point of requiring that all code be managed is to stop client code from doing these kinds of things. Or are you implying that Microsoft will have it's own evil "hidden libs" that will be randomly called to crash the runtime?
It's meant both ways.. In making of programs, there's always internal libaraies that are meant to make dev easier. Sometimes they're left in accidently. Sometimes they're also a way to speed up a program (Like MS Office does). Either way can lead to buffer overflows and holes outside of the managed environment.
4: Yet another lib download to run "those" programs (thinking of VB RT's)
>>>All the.NET languages target the CLR (Common Language Runtime). The old VB DLLs are ancient history. Plus, the CLR has a very sophisticated security model, which means you will actually be able to download.NET code (from websites e.g.) and be able to trust they won't screw your system. ActiveX will be dead.
And who is resonsible for granting that trust? Also, I have willies of executing code directly from request on a website.
+++Linux IS secure because we can see how it works.
>>>I disagree. Linux's security model owes a lot to UNIX, and the fact that UNIX was designed as a multiuser OS.
Unix was designed as a user permissions based. Linux takes that approach and improves on it by adding the NSA security patches. Hopefully, even better is the Alternate Security Modules kernel option that allows a shift of permissions and ideas. Perhaps (I've not looked into this...) but this alternate security models would allow a capability system to be substitutied with a drastic change of binaries...
>>>Microsoft's OSes have been single user-centric for a long time, and as a result, have had a completely different trust model. Unfortunately for Microsoft, that model is no longer particularly valid. A goal of Longhorn is to address many of those problems.
The trust granted was "Superuser is at local keyboard at ALL times". Not any sort of basis for any trust model, period.
There's only 2 types of trust models. The first is User permissions based. It's a system where there usually is a superuser who grants limited access to users. It's all the same from Windows to Unix.
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That would be called someting you earthlings call a .... joke.
Seriously, I was being sarcastic, or couldnt you tell after I said "SEGMENTATION FAULT: PARADOX ERROR".
Check out www.johntitor.com
It has^H^H^Hhad the scoop till another time traveler erased it, and JOhn came back and said it, until some.
SEGMENTATION FAULT. PARADOX ERROR
Blue 5 in corner pocket.
Any evidence of gravity waves from this? If "gravity waves" do travel at C, this is a good way to see them.
Or do we have to be outside the solar system to observe them?
For some reason, I think that the load on their ImageServer probably went DOWN after ads were being placed here..
I like to think of myself as libertarian, but you know why I dont vote for libertarians???
The party is full of disorganized kooks. If the party had more organized leadership, I'd vote for them. Instead, I have to succumb some of my belifs and vote Republican. Sure as hell beats voting Democrap and having 1.6 Billion more go to Welfare and its ilk.
Even in the area where I live (Indiana), a local Libertarian which I did vote for changed to Republican. He will get my vote, along with having more vote for him.
Yep, lemee hand-run Windows.
Oh wait! Without hardware, software is useless.
What I always thought is that GPL or likewise license code isnt "free". There's a name and quality you put out for anyone to look at.
In a sense, you're putting out representations why somebody would hire you for a project.
Torvalds, Marcelo, and Cox may give time to code, but who in the software community WOULDNT hire them?
>>>Hey, I didn't write the parent post, but I thought I would chime in anyway.
;-|
I did write it, and I still stand by it. I was thinking about all the American, Canadian, Mexican, and all of Europe's software developers and what they write for the masses. Even what could be consideed 3'rd world (Hungary) has a high profile developers who make MPlayer.
I wrote that with this in mind... I did fail to think about Anjuta (India). The Zebra project I always associated to that with "FSF". My mistake
>>>The original poster didn't talk about race. You did.
>>>The original poster was talking about different *nationalities*. Different nations have different educational systems and they are at different level of economic development. One would think that we could draw conclusions about programmers based on the nations they inhabit *without* talking about race.
I was concluding why we dont see a porportanate amount of GPL-like software out of those countries when we KNOW there's some smart cookies (whoops, more idiots might think I'm insulting yet another racial group) over there.
I just LOVE that everyone is hunting for words to make somebody look like a RACIST.
>>>First of all this question reeks of racism. "They're" so good at computers? Much like asians are good at math, black people are good at sports and all Irish people like fighting?
Yeah... They're applies to all Indians just as much "computer geek" applies to all Americans. Talk about a jackass. What's the story about?? Hmmm. Computer job Outsourcing....
>>>Anyway, if asked seriously,
No, I was hoping to cash my modpoints in for that new car.
>>>in China the idea of "free knowledge exchange" is not exactly a popular one as it is regularly looked down-upon by the government (and is even used as a reason to prosecute people).
Yeah, and there's that fact that China was taken over in the 50's by help of the Soviets. I bet they'd help more if they wern't soo oppressed.
>>>In India, I imagine it isn't as popular as you would think it to be because the average person does not own a computer. If you looked at the number of computers per person in America versus India, I bet it would portray a picture where India is very behind, on a broad level, in terms of technical advancement. What's the point of free knowledge exchange if you don't even have a computer (let alone an internet connection)?
Who usually has (access to) computers first?? Oh wait, its the geeks! Then answer me why there isnt at least 1 high profile project that's ran by an Indian developer?
>>>Japan. Who knows? They have a history of consumer electronics and seem to be continually working to fill that niche. More recently, they seem to be filling in the mobile technology area.
I can also recall that there's some reallyu cool software for P2P only found in Japanese. The guy wont release source due to people using it out of Japan (wtf? as it's anon coder and no money is made on it)
I was trying to be subtle with the nuances of "Organized Peaceful Anarchy".
Working anarchies such as the Ikung people (search anarchy on everything2.com) are no good over about 20 people. Also, if a group of people come together (organize) and plan for rules for everyone to follow, that would be government, albeit a small one. The Ikung have rules where banishment is allowed only under extreme circumstances, which would say there's some sort of loose government to define "extreme"...
I admit "Peaceful" was a jab at the common thinking of "Mad Max" type of anarchy. Murder, Rape, Arson: what normal people think about anarchy.
"If the US was as competitive as India is, do you think open source would be where it is today?"
Yes, because they're always Idealists. Stallman comes to mind, as he made the first powerful editor available over a TTY, and gave away a multi-platform C(++) compiler.
I can make guesses of what might happen, but that's all they are. I'm asking a question for present day.
Why not? If the majority of the people (democracy) want a equal-split share system such like communes (communism), why not grant it?
What wouldnt make sense is a Capitalistic Communism or a Dictatorial Republic or Organised Peaceful Anarchy.
Why dont we see more Eastern (China, Japan, India....) Open Source software projects when they're soo good at computers?
Do they not like the idea of free knowledge exchange?
(Asked seriously, not as flamebait...)
You need a Buddy for that tree?
This place makes a damned good response for a computerised GP, without bedside manner, of course.
It'd be great for doing sanity checks when the doc says this, but the computer shows that there's a 76% chance that it's really "this" and provides possible tests to take the probability to 99+%
I bet there'll be people saying that this ISNT what is needed.. Of course, the AMA wouldnt want us to have that sort of power. The AMA even fights for doctors so that the general public cant see a malpractice sheet ona doctor, when any doc can.
>>>You have a real, serious, caffine addiction. We joke about it, but it's not healthy, and not fun. I know someone that chugs down Coke like mad, all day long, along with strong coffee -- high, steady doses do bad things to people.
;-) Good luck on that caffine addiction.
What's strange is I can consume up to 3 pots of coffee a day, but I'm not addicted to it. I dont drink sugar-waters (cokes and their ilk) or other caffinated liquids. I've went without coffee for up to a month and feel NO ill effects any time during that. To me, it's just a blackish-looking bitter tasting hot liquid.
I have a feeling that my body chemistry is not your normal either. I'm pretty much immune to wasp and bee stings, but mosquitos put 1 inch welts on me.
Oh well, I guess each to their own
Hey, I've got some Deadly Nightshade here that'll cure ANY ailment, including life!!!!
100% natural, no perservatives, no harmful "chemicals"
Whadyousay? I was busy sleeping in my Bed of Time...
>>>"Spiritual" side of love is IMHO based on "Games people play".
>>>It basically means that you are recognizing that the other can become your "playmate" since you both play the same game at the compatible roles.
I hate to make a brash assumption, but you dont have a SO, do you? I'd admit talking to a girl (you sure?) on a webcam is wholly different than meeting her in person and going out to supper, but saying the "Spiritual side of love" is a game....
When you're with your true partner, there's something much stronger than some sexual bond or common likes. There's a bond that can sense anything: pain, love, hate. What's sad is that I cant describe how wonderful it is to have "it". Love. It's sort of trying to describe color to a blind man.
Meet the Catholic Church..
;-)
Yes, I'm one of them (Catholic
That's when I'd have Mr. Policeman come and get my shit back. Course, I'd file harassment, threat and theft charges at them. And also get the names to call the other "firees" (I'm assuming they fired them so they can get around unemployment) so they can join your suit.
Make 'em sweat a little
Prolly Souse. You know... Pig Linux.
All I can say is for those booth girls is not "Micro" or "Soft" by any means.
More like a HARD DRIVE.
1: Errors in the runtime environment that result to overflows
.NET has been out for some time. The reduction of potential errors is still huge - instead of certain flaws occuring in any bit of software, they can only occur in the runtime. The runtime might not be perfect, but the programming model will still prevent the kind of error that was announced today. So instead of having to potentially patch every app for buffer overflows, you only have to deal with the runtime. And Microsoft will be able to spend a lot more time doing security audits on the important code, since other code will be safer by default.
.Net compilers. The colleges are teaching Java, C , and C++ using either GCC or MS Visual C.
...are a problem everywhere. The .NET framework libraries have already had a couple of years testing, and will very mature by the time Longhorn is released. I'd rather my applications use managed, well-documented, high-level libraries than not.
.net to run certain un-updated programs. I'm thinking of the similar problems that haunt Linux/unix programs that are made for 1 version of a lib. Of course, there's 3 different programs that need diferent versions because of inconsitincies (think SDL)
.NET languages target the CLR (Common Language Runtime). The old VB DLLs are ancient history. Plus, the CLR has a very sophisticated security model, which means you will actually be able to download .NET code (from websites e.g.) and be able to trust they won't screw your system. ActiveX will be dead.
>>>Might happen - haven't had many (any?) of those yet and
From what I've seen, most really arent using
2: Mis-documented libraries
What I really worry about is that creeping errors that force the users to juggle between versions of
3: Calls made to 'hidden libs' that result to runtime crashing/burning
>>>"Hidden libs"? Who would be doing the calling I wonder? The point of requiring that all code be managed is to stop client code from doing these kinds of things. Or are you implying that Microsoft will have it's own evil "hidden libs" that will be randomly called to crash the runtime?
It's meant both ways.. In making of programs, there's always internal libaraies that are meant to make dev easier. Sometimes they're left in accidently. Sometimes they're also a way to speed up a program (Like MS Office does). Either way can lead to buffer overflows and holes outside of the managed environment.
4: Yet another lib download to run "those" programs (thinking of VB RT's)
>>>All the
And who is resonsible for granting that trust? Also, I have willies of executing code directly from request on a website.
+++Linux IS secure because we can see how it works.
>>>I disagree. Linux's security model owes a lot to UNIX, and the fact that UNIX was designed as a multiuser OS.
Unix was designed as a user permissions based. Linux takes that approach and improves on it by adding the NSA security patches. Hopefully, even better is the Alternate Security Modules kernel option that allows a shift of permissions and ideas. Perhaps (I've not looked into this...) but this alternate security models would allow a capability system to be substitutied with a drastic change of binaries...
>>>Microsoft's OSes have been single user-centric for a long time, and as a result, have had a completely different trust model. Unfortunately for Microsoft, that model is no longer particularly valid. A goal of Longhorn is to address many of those problems.
The trust granted was "Superuser is at local keyboard at ALL times". Not any sort of basis for any trust model, period.
There's only 2 types of trust models. The first is User permissions based. It's a system where there usually is a superuser who grants limited access to users. It's all the same from Windows to Unix.
The second is ca