Bottom-line: A fantastic thriller with a rare combination of action and imagination; two entities that we rarely see together on the same screen. Even more, it fucking rules.
This guy knows how to finish a "serious" review with a NPOV. It looks very ethical and pro.
Sure it can. When I say "effectively" and you say "in practice", that restricts "unlimited resources" to the practical laws of physics
Yep, got me:)
Short of a surprise mathematical/physics breakthrough, or a computer larger than the universe and running for more than the age of the universe, proper crypto with a decent key length can be uncrackable.
Right, except that, like you said, DRM is fundamentally flawed logic and is impossible because it is trying to use encryption while the the "opponent" must have the key. That's the context I meant.
I'm a bit of an experton Trusted Computing. Sorry, but you're losing me there. What is "expert" supposed to mean? If it means what I think it means, then this discussion has no purpose forth from this point. Thanks in advance.
If you already knew that, great.
Actually, I did knew, and that's exactly a point to the opposition of bluray/HD DRM schemes, because it is bad for the customer. I buy, I cannot listen, well I want a refund. Now, to add insult to injury, it is not unbreakable, because there is no means to prevent reading the disk from another compatible (home-made or not) hardware. Because of the context put earlier.
As for the sophisticated lab stuff, you're right in most cases (some chips are the damn harder to get, while other techs are totally welder-friendly), past taught us that only one cracker is needed to kick a thousand DRM engineers... and that a lab may be more than accessible to a portion of the population.
It's still good info if anyone else comes across this thread.
Agreed, although I never saw someone come back to discussions that old;)
you MUST be able to decrypt it and they therefore MUST send you the decryption key with it.
Wrong on this issue, and it seems you don't grasp a part of asymmetric encryption. Say B (server) wants to send something to A (you), it doesn't encrypt the package with its encryption key and send you the decryption key. Doesn't make sense to send a key along with the lockpad, except in a certain type of challenge-response (though it is not the decryption key). What it does is ask you for an encryption key and then A sends the encryption key, but he keeps the decryption one. Asymmetric 101.
Or, with a handshake protocol (such as Diffie-Hellman for example), A and B agrees on a symmetric key without ever passing any information on the wire. See Wikipedia for both definition.
The problem with encryption with DRM is that you have total control of your computer (which CANNOT be taken away). Now, someone must store a key somewhere, or pass it along some wire and store it temporary, still somewhere, right? Therefore, someone skilled can bypass a verification method to have access to that key, or whatever information is stored on his pc and needed. see css.
Genuine encryption is when you want to keep something secret from people who have NOT been granted access. Genuine encryption can be effectively uncrackable.
Yourself, in this case, can be considered as someone who has not access granted on the something at hand. FYI, genuine encryption is not uncrackable in practice for, say, someone with unlimited ressources. In this case, the problem is not that you have or not access to the something, but instead that you have access to unlimited ressources (namely to modify every parameters in the software/hardware chain).
I'd like to put that my reply was addressed to an error done by the gggp: the key does not have to be sent along the data. Challenge-response protocols and asymmetric algorithms both permits a key to not be sent along.
And there comes the point in time where a whooshing sound going straight over your head reminds you of the moment you first recognize that humor, to its simplest form, just skipped your brain by not quite less than a mile.
new in 2011: multicore 8 x86 4.0 Ghz Pentium ZZZ. Can we say more than enough? No? oh well, make it new in 2015, following moore's law: multicore 16 x86 6 Ghz Pentium Mothafucka... want me to go on?
Now the funniest part of "Hell, why don't you answer your own question instead of simply leaving it as an assumed suggestion that your second option is the only possible answer?" is probably that you make the same thing. That's what we call rhetorical questioning... want a drawing or you're bright enough to understand?
Yes, that's what it is. When you don't have a job and get money from the gov, the gov choose the place to put you. Now, it's no ownership, you don't own that house. In fact, the HLM (low cost habitations, kind of big '70s buildings with as many as 300 people sometimes in them) are owned by the government, and they put you there. That's it. You have no word, unless you get a job. And you cannot get a job, because no one will give you one.
Now, the problem can be hard to catch for americans, since the heavily-socialist tendencies of the France history, culture and government are somewhat very different from the american point of view (neutral here, i'm not saying yankees are stupid or wrong or whatever). In the '50s, and during the Algeria war, France opened its frontier to rapatriate (sp?) french maghrebians (north african, mostly Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Moritania and Lybia) and offered them a lot of jobs (no kidding) with good money. They were built new cities (mostly HLMs) to live in, were mixed with white people, no problem till their children were born. When the new generation came (less than 25 y.o), they didn't have much choice because the situation inversed. Most of them are Frenchborn, never saw their fathers country (lack of money at first), were isolated from the rest of the population (due to white french moving to better places for their jobs, and racism accounted a lot too) and were given no choice as to what to do: nothing. Reputable colleges didn't accept them, some big industries were built not far in the neighbourhood but didn't hire them (no kiding) even those who had qualifications, scholarships were heavily reduced, their colleges were really bad, violence were higher and higher, and so on and so on.
So most don't work, and live where they were told to, and even those who want to get out (some rare ones do) have a really really hard way to go.
For a good reference, see Matthieu Kassovitz' La Haine (imdb). I think it has been translated in english (someone can confirm?).
May I remind you that vistas betas (i like the sound) just are contradicting with the bsd theory? For another note, see previous replier which has a point: everything you said was released thousands of years ago by hebrew microsoft employees.
The article was there to mention the short unreliability of GPS; promoting a system that is 4-5 years (for serious and public applications) from now isn't the point. As long as I am concerned, it will be iron solid and a good successor to GPS (better range, more precise measures, etc).
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How is that different from other stories on slashdot?
Hem! You _know_ oil is not going to last forever... don't you?
It is a slow day...
As long as it can make coffee, I don't care what it runs.
podjacked at the moment. Please come again later.
It was even unreadable by sniffing the telnet connection. All my friend asked me how I did it.
up up down down left right left right b a start
Remember me of Microsoft Office on 45 diskettes... :) Those were the days, oh yeah. Microsoft hasn't changed much.
Yep, got me :)
Short of a surprise mathematical/physics breakthrough, or a computer larger than the universe and running for more than the age of the universe, proper crypto with a decent key length can be uncrackable.
Right, except that, like you said, DRM is fundamentally flawed logic and is impossible because it is trying to use encryption while the the "opponent" must have the key. That's the context I meant.
I'm a bit of an experton Trusted Computing. Sorry, but you're losing me there. What is "expert" supposed to mean? If it means what I think it means, then this discussion has no purpose forth from this point. Thanks in advance.
If you already knew that, great.
Actually, I did knew, and that's exactly a point to the opposition of bluray/HD DRM schemes, because it is bad for the customer. I buy, I cannot listen, well I want a refund. Now, to add insult to injury, it is not unbreakable, because there is no means to prevent reading the disk from another compatible (home-made or not) hardware. Because of the context put earlier.
As for the sophisticated lab stuff, you're right in most cases (some chips are the damn harder to get, while other techs are totally welder-friendly), past taught us that only one cracker is needed to kick a thousand DRM engineers... and that a lab may be more than accessible to a portion of the population.
It's still good info if anyone else comes across this thread.
Agreed, although I never saw someone come back to discussions that old ;)
Wrong on this issue, and it seems you don't grasp a part of asymmetric encryption. Say B (server) wants to send something to A (you), it doesn't encrypt the package with its encryption key and send you the decryption key. Doesn't make sense to send a key along with the lockpad, except in a certain type of challenge-response (though it is not the decryption key). What it does is ask you for an encryption key and then A sends the encryption key, but he keeps the decryption one. Asymmetric 101.
Or, with a handshake protocol (such as Diffie-Hellman for example), A and B agrees on a symmetric key without ever passing any information on the wire. See Wikipedia for both definition.
The problem with encryption with DRM is that you have total control of your computer (which CANNOT be taken away). Now, someone must store a key somewhere, or pass it along some wire and store it temporary, still somewhere, right? Therefore, someone skilled can bypass a verification method to have access to that key, or whatever information is stored on his pc and needed. see css.
Genuine encryption is when you want to keep something secret from people who have NOT been granted access. Genuine encryption can be effectively uncrackable.
Yourself, in this case, can be considered as someone who has not access granted on the something at hand. FYI, genuine encryption is not uncrackable in practice for, say, someone with unlimited ressources. In this case, the problem is not that you have or not access to the something, but instead that you have access to unlimited ressources (namely to modify every parameters in the software/hardware chain).
I'd like to put that my reply was addressed to an error done by the gggp: the key does not have to be sent along the data. Challenge-response protocols and asymmetric algorithms both permits a key to not be sent along.
Hope this helps.
Not to count dork tower in 2002.
never heard of asymmetric algo? or challenge-response?
I sincerely hope your not my bank CSO... or any CSO for that matter.
And there comes the point in time where a whooshing sound going straight over your head reminds you of the moment you first recognize that humor, to its simplest form, just skipped your brain by not quite less than a mile.
new in 2011: multicore 8 x86 4.0 Ghz Pentium ZZZ. Can we say more than enough? No? oh well, make it new in 2015, following moore's law: multicore 16 x86 6 Ghz Pentium Mothafucka... want me to go on?
Sorry, but I had prior art on this pixel!
Now the funniest part of "Hell, why don't you answer your own question instead of simply leaving it as an assumed suggestion that your second option is the only possible answer?" is probably that you make the same thing. That's what we call rhetorical questioning... want a drawing or you're bright enough to understand?
What exactly is a cow orker?
Yep, there might be a chance that a console named Forever comes up and we play with it on holographic walls. The rest is probably just fiction.
even more when the guy is an AC... and that was a good joke (not necessarly +5, but at least something).
Now, the problem can be hard to catch for americans, since the heavily-socialist tendencies of the France history, culture and government are somewhat very different from the american point of view (neutral here, i'm not saying yankees are stupid or wrong or whatever). In the '50s, and during the Algeria war, France opened its frontier to rapatriate (sp?) french maghrebians (north african, mostly Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Moritania and Lybia) and offered them a lot of jobs (no kidding) with good money. They were built new cities (mostly HLMs) to live in, were mixed with white people, no problem till their children were born. When the new generation came (less than 25 y.o), they didn't have much choice because the situation inversed. Most of them are Frenchborn, never saw their fathers country (lack of money at first), were isolated from the rest of the population (due to white french moving to better places for their jobs, and racism accounted a lot too) and were given no choice as to what to do: nothing. Reputable colleges didn't accept them, some big industries were built not far in the neighbourhood but didn't hire them (no kiding) even those who had qualifications, scholarships were heavily reduced, their colleges were really bad, violence were higher and higher, and so on and so on.
So most don't work, and live where they were told to, and even those who want to get out (some rare ones do) have a really really hard way to go.
For a good reference, see Matthieu Kassovitz' La Haine (imdb). I think it has been translated in english (someone can confirm?).
Nice joke, but a bit mean. And I'm sure 99.9% of americans won't understand it. Nobody's been talking about France there...
May I remind you that vistas betas (i like the sound) just are contradicting with the bsd theory? For another note, see previous replier which has a point: everything you said was released thousands of years ago by hebrew microsoft employees.
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it." [Linus B. Torvalds]
The article was there to mention the short unreliability of GPS; promoting a system that is 4-5 years (for serious and public applications) from now isn't the point. As long as I am concerned, it will be iron solid and a good successor to GPS (better range, more precise measures, etc).