It's funny how the rabid gankers continue to demonstrate with their usual eloquence why the VAST MAJORITY of game players do not prefer their style of play.
It's often been said that the vast majority of MMORPG players dont wan't PvP. If that is so, then explain why WoW's PvP servers are twice as full as the others?
For many years non-pvp players swore they were the majority, but world of warcraft proves otherwise. It's the most successful MMORPG to date, and it's most populated servers are the ones with the loosest PvP rules.
I think MMORPG makers need to rethink their views on Player vs Player combat and what the market really wants.
Since WoW is so easy to get into, people are more tempted to run a character to 60, then try a completly different race
People say it's not 'epic' because it's not tedious like older MMORPGS. It still takes time to get to 60. If you are a casual player (by casual I mean 10-20 hours a week) it will take you 3-4 months at least. If you look at the online forums you can see this. Sure there are stories of people going for an 'all out grind' and doing it in 2 weeks, but for the majority of people, it's not like you level up to 60 all that quickly.
The game has plenty of endgame content now, has battlegrounds and "hero" classing coming. I think it's popularity will die down some, but there is plenty to keep the level 60's paying.
WOW, nor any MMORPG, can be fun unless you care about the people you play with. You simply cannot have fun in WoW alone.
I'm unguilded and I have a lot of fun. My gear is Uber, and I have more money because I don't have to share anything with guildmates. Many people think the quickest way to level is to "join a guild" which I've done with some of my alts. I've found that teaming up with guildies and doing instance runs actually takes longer and gives less than its worth. You can get better gear from running quests alone, saving your gold and buying the good stuff at the AH. You also don't have to put up with the annoying guild ppl who cry NINJA LOOT when you roll on something they want, but you also need. I've never had this happen to me, but from reading their fourms it's a common experence. I think you are assuming because you enjoy being guilded that is the only way to have fun. The only way I show my 'caring' for other players is by raiding horde towns on my own.:)
Games that did not force people into guilds failed in the US.
I don't think that is true. The only problem I see with not having a guild is not having access to end-game content. I'll probably make guild runs with one of the guilds I know. Maybe people will be using the meeting stones by then
Battlegrounds looks like fun also, hopefully they will have meeting stones for them as well.
Forced socialization isn't a good thing. WoW is fun to me, when I'm not forced into being friendly with people I'd rather gank.
Even without grouping, levels 40-50 are fun. You have a horse, and most of the people you run into in PvP situations are at your level or lower. I'm enjoying them.
I bought WoW a few weeks ago and loved it, at first. But a few days ago, after reaching level 21, I realized that there really wasn't all that much content in the game.
Huh? WoW has quite a bit of content, the number of quests are mind boggling and vary in what you must do.
It's just a constant cycle of killing monsters, waiting for your health/mana to recharge, killing some more, and then running for fifteen minutes back to whoever gave you the quest.
While there are usually a few "Kill x amount of monsters" quests, there are various other types of collection quests, exploring quests, etc. If you quit at level 21 you are probably missing out on a lot of the contenet. Sure, you have to kill things to level. Every RPG is like that.
It was fun while it lasted, but eventually you realize there isn't much variety in the gameplay. The scenery changes, and you get to use different spells/weapons, and if you really stick with it you get a horse to ride around, but other than that, nothing ever changes.
Except your weapons, armor, clothes, tradeskills, talent specs, and PvP involvement. But hey, whatever you say!
If you played the game to 21 and quit, you missed out on the best part of the game in my opinion - Player vs Player combat.
Not to mention, most of the quests that are more "epic" in scope start at level 20.
If anything I find that World of Warcraft has too much content when it comes to quests. There are quests all over the place to do so many things it can be mind boggling.
Broken forums != broken game. From what I can tell, the game is running just fine.
It's not actually. The realm I'm on goes down at least once a week for hours on end. They had a hardware failure last week that took down 8-10 realms, which took 8 hours to make a 'temp' fix for. Then on Friday (two days later) they realized the game was near unplayable even with the fix so they took down the affected realms for 24 hours to install new hardware. They really do need to work on hardware/latency issues since they have so many more subscribers than they expected.
Americans have the most to lose, after all their economy is mostly drastically over-inflated hype,
I wouldn't call the American economy 'over-inflated hype' that isn't very accurate. The problem is twofold, the American people spend more than they have, as does the government.
Americans: it is your own damn fault. Stop ignoring the crimes of your government.
Please list the 'crimes of the American government'. This I would like to see. Oh, and in your own words, don't just link me to some Geocities site.
was annoyed by the post (and the host of others like it on this and previous stories about India) because it seems to me that xenophobia and ignorance about the world are valorised at the moment in the States, and that's a real shame.
Dude, he made a joke about the number of tech support reps that are located in India for various companies. How is that Xenophbic, ignorant, or self centered? The only ignorance I see is in your hatred of Americans. You can claim your are not anti-American but your posts suggest otherwise.
If this failed attack had been in NYC, you can bet he (and many other readers of this site) would have a very different reaction, and all the talk would be of how to get those dirty Saudi^^^^^ Iraqi terrorists etc etc.
It's hard to pin down one industry you could joke about in NYC. Had it been planned for Canada someone could have said "WHAT ABOUT MY HOCKEY/MAPLE SYRUP". It wasn't a xenophobic comment. I suggest you evaluate yourself for bias before trying to pass judgement on others. Your "Saudi/Iraqi" comment was so ignorant I wont even touch it.
Intel's upcoming Mini PC features all the sleekness and portability (physical, that is) of the Mac Mini with none of the Mac benefits.
What exactly are Mac benefits? Not having any good software for their platform, or being overpriced? I'm sure Intels mini PC will have neither of those 'benefits'.
Can slashdot just report the news without pushing an agenda?
I think WoW needs to get their priorities straight. I am browsing Slashdot because I am looking at a 30 minute line to get into my server. Just let people transfer servers, increase their capacity, just do SOMETHING. All of that great content and what not doesn't do me any good if I can't even log in.
Agreed, my server is medium pop and it's been borked for the past week. All kinds of wierd shit has been happening since the last patch they made to 'fix' Auction House lag. I think their code introduced a new bug. People were having problems like all the NPC's dissapearing, corpses disappearing, etc.
It looks like they are going to put in the honor system as well, that will lead to nothing but low level players griefing the high level players. PvP is healthy on my PvP server, and I don't see the need to tinker with it. Yes, I have been ganked a few times by high level characters, but that is the fun of the game. If anything they should take out the 'automatically miss if you are 5 levels lower' code in PvP, so low level characters could zerg a high level character and kill him.
The Hero classes should be put in sooner rather than later.
Just making another instance isn't going to appease the horde of people that are around level 30-40 and will be at 60 soon (ie the ones who got the game around xmas and actually have day jobs/school).
The other stuff is all icing on the cake, they should focus on making the servers stable before worrying about appeasing the carebears and the whiners.
This is the SAME GUY who went through tirade after temper-tantrum-touting-tirade about how he was eviling being targeted as an Apple hater meanwhile spewing out vitriolic fodder on how Apple will die (all within the confines of an OBJECTIVE viewpoint, of course;). This as far back as 1998. You see where Apple is today.
Would you say this wasn't a vaild viewpoint to have in 1998?
Dvorak's not a credible source. Case closed.
He writes columns containing his opinions, backed up by facts where applicable. It doesn't make him 'not credible' because you don't agree with his opinion.
What he's missing is projects like NDisWrapper that simply allows us to run standard proprietary Windows drivers on Linux.
That is great, but until grandma can turn on a computer running linux and NDisWrapper automagically realizes the device isn't support by linux and goes out and finds the windows driver Dvorak's point stands.
If MS could put out a version of Linux that supported all of the hardware windows does seemlessly, it would become the distro with the most market share.
Agreed. People need to stop promoting this douche bag.
He intentionally writes dumb columns in order to (negatively) attract readers.
Gee, what a suprise that opinion is coming from a guy called "Aqua OS X".
Just because Dvorak doesn't constantly praise Apple and Linux and will call them on their weaknesses as much as he calls out microsoft doesn't make him a douchebag, it makes him realistic and balanced unlike many other tech writers who are just zealots.
What the fuck is it then? Dog walking? Auto polishing?
A crime in the civilized world, dipshit.
hen by that very same logic the obvious direction is to ENCOURAGE them to share pictures with the world of them fucking their kids. Every picture is just one more clue that will lead to a possible rescue of the kids being abused
It's not the same thing, but I know people like you need to hide behind false logic in order to validate a poor arguement.
It's completely about freedom of speech and your sad attempt at making excuses just provides one more great example of the logical inconsistencies and complete lack of critical thinking on the part of those who, like you, continue to parrot the dictates of the politburo.
I'm sorry that kiddi pron is one of the few places where I think the government(s) should step in and draw the line, just like yelling 'fire' in a movie theater. I suggest you seek help for your obsession with child pron.
Anytime I used the word 'Fine' (except when it applied to kiddie pron...I followed it up with a reason that it may look fine on the surface but it could be repressing important freedoms. My whole point was on the surface these things are worded to sound ok and many will not oppose them but lead to oppression and may have an effect that the Germans aren't looking for.
If you're about freedom of speech none of it is "fine" including that ever so easily demonized first entry.
Posting pictures of abused children isn't 'speech' or 'freedom of speech'. If someone wants to post a NAMBLA rant that is fine too, let them tell the world how fucked up they are. Like I mentioned in another post, giving wackos freedom of speech is like giving them the rope to hang themselves with.
Cowardice and hypocrisy
Just because you don't agree with my opinions doesn't mean you have to resort to name calling, bitch ass. (Now that was hypocrisy)
I'd say abortion is a poor litmus test of if someone wants to control your life of not. You see, people who are pro-life believe that they are saving a life, not controling someones life. Surely, many people who are against government controls don't mind them if they directly save lives (IE: No "Yelling Fire" in a movie theater")
The other things you mentioned such as anti-meat eating, and anti-gay are much better measures of who wants to control you....and you are right both sides do (in the US).
So then the particular member of the group would go to jail but the rest of the organization would contunue on until every single participant is convicted?
Yup. What exactly would you throw the other members of the group in jail for? Being in a group?
Do you think censoring them would be better? If you censor them, they will only discuss their views among themselves and re-enforce their radical views. Let them state their beliefs in a public fourm so they can be debunked and their beliefs can be known
Well, for one it is accusing all those that lived through it of lying. Just imagine walking up to a rape victim in public and claiming "You asked for it".
Sorry, I meant physically hurting someone. As for your rape victim analogy, I don't think free speech should be violated to protect anyones feelings.
If that should outweight free speech is debatable. But that it hurts many people is a fact.
Granted. But if these crackpot theories aren't discussed publically, then they can not be debunked. I'd rather have "you asked for it" debated publically than hiding in the minds of some individuals.
Remember that whole deal Germany had with that, far-right government that um, sort of tried to take over the world and eliminate non-Germanic peoples from the face of the Earth?
Remember that whole deal Russia had around the same time, with that far-left government run by Stalin who killed more people than Hitler did?
As for Hitler being to the 'far right' and people comparing him to people on the Right today, he had many views that are embraced by the left. It wasn't called 'National socialism for no reason. Hitler was for Abortion, censorship, euthanasia, gun control, and vegetarianism. He also hated capitalism and free markets. Sounds more left than right to me.
Despite his stances on issues, it is a bit silly to try to associate hitler with the left or the right. He was simply a nutjob.
Denying the holocaust is considered infringing on the right of the remaining jewish community.
Why? It's a crackpot opinion and I'd rather have those denying it stating it in public than in the shadows. It's simply a free speech issue, let people deny the holocaust it's the same as people who come online and try to say 2+2 = 5 or that Planet X is coming to kill us.
Denying the holocaust isn't hurting anyone, it's just like the moron professor who is running around saying that the people in the twin towers got what they deserved. It's insenitive, stupid, and detached from reality. But by giving these people freedom of speech you are giving them the rope to hang themselves with.
...where you can get fined for saying "fuck" on public radio. Was your post irony or hypocrisy?
Restricting public radio is different than restricting the internet. If you want to hear a show with the word 'fuck' there are privatly owned radio solutions. What value does the word 'fuck' add to anything anyway?
Lets take a look at what Germany is censoring. From the Article:
child pornography,
Good
right wing extremist "hate" sites,
Why not censor left wing extremist "hate" sites? Then again, we don't want Germany to ban Slashdot.
incitement to commit crimes,
That is fine in theory, but sometimes civil disobedence is needed to protest an unjust law.
race discrimination,
Fine, but I'd rather these views be made in public than secretly.
treasonable conduct as an agent for sabotage purposes
Fine. But what exactly is considered treason?
glorification of violence, or offence against the law for the protection of the youth.
Glorification of violence? They will have to ban half the stuff on the net, and most of the games.
How about decency laws censoring your entertainment industry? Germany censors nazi stuff, cant argue with that i guess, they are pretty sensitive to that stuff for a good reason.
Decency laws only censor entertainment that goes out over public airwaves. You can pretty much show anything you want on cable/pay per view. The internet isn't censored in America, nor is satalite based radio.
Considering Germany's past, I can understand the push to censor Nazi material. I still think it's a bad idea. People should be free to say and do what they want as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others.
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It's funny how the rabid gankers continue to demonstrate with their usual eloquence why the VAST MAJORITY of game players do not prefer their style of play.
It's often been said that the vast majority of MMORPG players dont wan't PvP. If that is so, then explain why WoW's PvP servers are twice as full as the others?
For many years non-pvp players swore they were the majority, but world of warcraft proves otherwise. It's the most successful MMORPG to date, and it's most populated servers are the ones with the loosest PvP rules.
I think MMORPG makers need to rethink their views on Player vs Player combat and what the market really wants.
Since WoW is so easy to get into, people are more tempted to run a character to 60, then try a completly different race
People say it's not 'epic' because it's not tedious like older MMORPGS. It still takes time to get to 60. If you are a casual player (by casual I mean 10-20 hours a week) it will take you 3-4 months at least. If you look at the online forums you can see this. Sure there are stories of people going for an 'all out grind' and doing it in 2 weeks, but for the majority of people, it's not like you level up to 60 all that quickly.
The game has plenty of endgame content now, has battlegrounds and "hero" classing coming. I think it's popularity will die down some, but there is plenty to keep the level 60's paying.
WOW, nor any MMORPG, can be fun unless you care about the people you play with. You simply cannot have fun in WoW alone.
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I'm unguilded and I have a lot of fun. My gear is Uber, and I have more money because I don't have to share anything with guildmates. Many people think the quickest way to level is to "join a guild" which I've done with some of my alts. I've found that teaming up with guildies and doing instance runs actually takes longer and gives less than its worth. You can get better gear from running quests alone, saving your gold and buying the good stuff at the AH. You also don't have to put up with the annoying guild ppl who cry NINJA LOOT when you roll on something they want, but you also need. I've never had this happen to me, but from reading their fourms it's a common experence. I think you are assuming because you enjoy being guilded that is the only way to have fun. The only way I show my 'caring' for other players is by raiding horde towns on my own.
Games that did not force people into guilds failed in the US.
I don't think that is true. The only problem I see with not having a guild is not having access to end-game content. I'll probably make guild runs with one of the guilds I know. Maybe people will be using the meeting stones by then Battlegrounds looks like fun also, hopefully they will have meeting stones for them as well. Forced socialization isn't a good thing. WoW is fun to me, when I'm not forced into being friendly with people I'd rather gank.
Even without grouping, levels 40-50 are fun. You have a horse, and most of the people you run into in PvP situations are at your level or lower. I'm enjoying them.
I bought WoW a few weeks ago and loved it, at first. But a few days ago, after reaching level 21, I realized that there really wasn't all that much content in the game.
Huh? WoW has quite a bit of content, the number of quests are mind boggling and vary in what you must do. It's just a constant cycle of killing monsters, waiting for your health/mana to recharge, killing some more, and then running for fifteen minutes back to whoever gave you the quest.
While there are usually a few "Kill x amount of monsters" quests, there are various other types of collection quests, exploring quests, etc. If you quit at level 21 you are probably missing out on a lot of the contenet. Sure, you have to kill things to level. Every RPG is like that.
It was fun while it lasted, but eventually you realize there isn't much variety in the gameplay. The scenery changes, and you get to use different spells/weapons, and if you really stick with it you get a horse to ride around, but other than that, nothing ever changes.
Except your weapons, armor, clothes, tradeskills, talent specs, and PvP involvement. But hey, whatever you say! If you played the game to 21 and quit, you missed out on the best part of the game in my opinion - Player vs Player combat. Not to mention, most of the quests that are more "epic" in scope start at level 20. If anything I find that World of Warcraft has too much content when it comes to quests. There are quests all over the place to do so many things it can be mind boggling.
Duh... he is in a wheelchair dude.
Well then he won't sit for this shit!
Broken forums != broken game. From what I can tell, the game is running just fine.
It's not actually. The realm I'm on goes down at least once a week for hours on end. They had a hardware failure last week that took down 8-10 realms, which took 8 hours to make a 'temp' fix for. Then on Friday (two days later) they realized the game was near unplayable even with the fix so they took down the affected realms for 24 hours to install new hardware. They really do need to work on hardware/latency issues since they have so many more subscribers than they expected.
Americans have the most to lose, after all their economy is mostly drastically over-inflated hype,
I wouldn't call the American economy 'over-inflated hype' that isn't very accurate. The problem is twofold, the American people spend more than they have, as does the government.
Americans: it is your own damn fault. Stop ignoring the crimes of your government.
Please list the 'crimes of the American government'. This I would like to see. Oh, and in your own words, don't just link me to some Geocities site.
was annoyed by the post (and the host of others like it on this and previous stories about India) because it seems to me that xenophobia and ignorance about the world are valorised at the moment in the States, and that's a real shame.
Dude, he made a joke about the number of tech support reps that are located in India for various companies. How is that Xenophbic, ignorant, or self centered? The only ignorance I see is in your hatred of Americans. You can claim your are not anti-American but your posts suggest otherwise.
If this failed attack had been in NYC, you can bet he (and many other readers of this site) would have a very different reaction, and all the talk would be of how to get those dirty Saudi^^^^^ Iraqi terrorists etc etc.
It's hard to pin down one industry you could joke about in NYC. Had it been planned for Canada someone could have said "WHAT ABOUT MY HOCKEY/MAPLE SYRUP". It wasn't a xenophobic comment. I suggest you evaluate yourself for bias before trying to pass judgement on others. Your "Saudi/Iraqi" comment was so ignorant I wont even touch it.
Citizens in Russia have more rights than we do!
Sure they do, if you consider stealing a 'right'.
Intel's upcoming Mini PC features all the sleekness and portability (physical, that is) of the Mac Mini with none of the Mac benefits.
What exactly are Mac benefits? Not having any good software for their platform, or being overpriced? I'm sure Intels mini PC will have neither of those 'benefits'.
Can slashdot just report the news without pushing an agenda?
I think WoW needs to get their priorities straight. I am browsing Slashdot because I am looking at a 30 minute line to get into my server. Just let people transfer servers, increase their capacity, just do SOMETHING. All of that great content and what not doesn't do me any good if I can't even log in.
Agreed, my server is medium pop and it's been borked for the past week. All kinds of wierd shit has been happening since the last patch they made to 'fix' Auction House lag. I think their code introduced a new bug. People were having problems like all the NPC's dissapearing, corpses disappearing, etc.
It looks like they are going to put in the honor system as well, that will lead to nothing but low level players griefing the high level players. PvP is healthy on my PvP server, and I don't see the need to tinker with it. Yes, I have been ganked a few times by high level characters, but that is the fun of the game. If anything they should take out the 'automatically miss if you are 5 levels lower' code in PvP, so low level characters could zerg a high level character and kill him.
The Hero classes should be put in sooner rather than later. Just making another instance isn't going to appease the horde of people that are around level 30-40 and will be at 60 soon (ie the ones who got the game around xmas and actually have day jobs/school).
The other stuff is all icing on the cake, they should focus on making the servers stable before worrying about appeasing the carebears and the whiners.
This is the SAME GUY who went through tirade after temper-tantrum-touting-tirade about how he was eviling being targeted as an Apple hater meanwhile spewing out vitriolic fodder on how Apple will die (all within the confines of an OBJECTIVE viewpoint, of course ;). This as far back as 1998. You see where Apple is today.
Would you say this wasn't a vaild viewpoint to have in 1998?
Dvorak's not a credible source. Case closed.
He writes columns containing his opinions, backed up by facts where applicable. It doesn't make him 'not credible' because you don't agree with his opinion.
What he's missing is projects like NDisWrapper that simply allows us to run standard proprietary Windows drivers on Linux.
That is great, but until grandma can turn on a computer running linux and NDisWrapper automagically realizes the device isn't support by linux and goes out and finds the windows driver Dvorak's point stands.
If MS could put out a version of Linux that supported all of the hardware windows does seemlessly, it would become the distro with the most market share.
Agreed. People need to stop promoting this douche bag. He intentionally writes dumb columns in order to (negatively) attract readers.
Gee, what a suprise that opinion is coming from a guy called "Aqua OS X".
Just because Dvorak doesn't constantly praise Apple and Linux and will call them on their weaknesses as much as he calls out microsoft doesn't make him a douchebag, it makes him realistic and balanced unlike many other tech writers who are just zealots.
What the fuck is it then? Dog walking? Auto polishing?
A crime in the civilized world, dipshit.
hen by that very same logic the obvious direction is to ENCOURAGE them to share pictures with the world of them fucking their kids. Every picture is just one more clue that will lead to a possible rescue of the kids being abused
It's not the same thing, but I know people like you need to hide behind false logic in order to validate a poor arguement.
It's completely about freedom of speech and your sad attempt at making excuses just provides one more great example of the logical inconsistencies and complete lack of critical thinking on the part of those who, like you, continue to parrot the dictates of the politburo.
I'm sorry that kiddi pron is one of the few places where I think the government(s) should step in and draw the line, just like yelling 'fire' in a movie theater. I suggest you seek help for your obsession with child pron.
Huh? My responses were:
Good
Bad
Bad
Bad
Bad
Bad.
Anytime I used the word 'Fine' (except when it applied to kiddie pron...I followed it up with a reason that it may look fine on the surface but it could be repressing important freedoms. My whole point was on the surface these things are worded to sound ok and many will not oppose them but lead to oppression and may have an effect that the Germans aren't looking for.
If you're about freedom of speech none of it is "fine" including that ever so easily demonized first entry.
Posting pictures of abused children isn't 'speech' or 'freedom of speech'. If someone wants to post a NAMBLA rant that is fine too, let them tell the world how fucked up they are. Like I mentioned in another post, giving wackos freedom of speech is like giving them the rope to hang themselves with.
Cowardice and hypocrisy
Just because you don't agree with my opinions doesn't mean you have to resort to name calling, bitch ass. (Now that was hypocrisy)
I'd say abortion is a poor litmus test of if someone wants to control your life of not. You see, people who are pro-life believe that they are saving a life, not controling someones life. Surely, many people who are against government controls don't mind them if they directly save lives (IE: No "Yelling Fire" in a movie theater")
The other things you mentioned such as anti-meat eating, and anti-gay are much better measures of who wants to control you....and you are right both sides do (in the US).
So then the particular member of the group would go to jail but the rest of the organization would contunue on until every single participant is convicted?
Yup. What exactly would you throw the other members of the group in jail for? Being in a group?
Do you think censoring them would be better? If you censor them, they will only discuss their views among themselves and re-enforce their radical views. Let them state their beliefs in a public fourm so they can be debunked and their beliefs can be known
I agree with the Neo-Nazism ban in Europe--oftentimes, it's the only weapon the authorities have in the fight against hate crimes.
The best weapon against hate crime, or any crime is not to censor free speech, but to throw the offender into jail for long periods of time.
Well, for one it is accusing all those that lived through it of lying. Just imagine walking up to a rape victim in public and claiming "You asked for it".
Sorry, I meant physically hurting someone. As for your rape victim analogy, I don't think free speech should be violated to protect anyones feelings.
If that should outweight free speech is debatable. But that it hurts many people is a fact.
Granted. But if these crackpot theories aren't discussed publically, then they can not be debunked. I'd rather have "you asked for it" debated publically than hiding in the minds of some individuals.
Remember that whole deal Germany had with that, far-right government that um, sort of tried to take over the world and eliminate non-Germanic peoples from the face of the Earth?
Remember that whole deal Russia had around the same time, with that far-left government run by Stalin who killed more people than Hitler did?
As for Hitler being to the 'far right' and people comparing him to people on the Right today, he had many views that are embraced by the left. It wasn't called 'National socialism for no reason. Hitler was for Abortion, censorship, euthanasia, gun control, and vegetarianism. He also hated capitalism and free markets. Sounds more left than right to me.
Despite his stances on issues, it is a bit silly to try to associate hitler with the left or the right. He was simply a nutjob.
Denying the holocaust is considered infringing on the right of the remaining jewish community.
Why? It's a crackpot opinion and I'd rather have those denying it stating it in public than in the shadows. It's simply a free speech issue, let people deny the holocaust it's the same as people who come online and try to say 2+2 = 5 or that Planet X is coming to kill us.
Denying the holocaust isn't hurting anyone, it's just like the moron professor who is running around saying that the people in the twin towers got what they deserved. It's insenitive, stupid, and detached from reality. But by giving these people freedom of speech you are giving them the rope to hang themselves with.
...where you can get fined for saying "fuck" on public radio. Was your post irony or hypocrisy?
Restricting public radio is different than restricting the internet. If you want to hear a show with the word 'fuck' there are privatly owned radio solutions. What value does the word 'fuck' add to anything anyway?
Lets take a look at what Germany is censoring. From the Article:
child pornography,
Good
right wing extremist "hate" sites,
Why not censor left wing extremist "hate" sites? Then again, we don't want Germany to ban Slashdot.
incitement to commit crimes,
That is fine in theory, but sometimes civil disobedence is needed to protest an unjust law.
race discrimination,
Fine, but I'd rather these views be made in public than secretly.
treasonable conduct as an agent for sabotage purposes
Fine. But what exactly is considered treason?
glorification of violence, or offence against the law for the protection of the youth.
Glorification of violence? They will have to ban half the stuff on the net, and most of the games.
How about decency laws censoring your entertainment industry? Germany censors nazi stuff, cant argue with that i guess, they are pretty sensitive to that stuff for a good reason.
Decency laws only censor entertainment that goes out over public airwaves. You can pretty much show anything you want on cable/pay per view. The internet isn't censored in America, nor is satalite based radio.
Considering Germany's past, I can understand the push to censor Nazi material. I still think it's a bad idea. People should be free to say and do what they want as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others.