Erm.... few years? I think you people overestimate copy-protection.
It doesn't take a rare person like Einstein to figure out a way to bypass copy protection and figure out the inner workings of the system.
Nothing is uncrackable, and when enough people are working to figure something out, it won't take long. Mod chip manufacturers made a TON of money from last gen consoles, so they have engineers working on this already. Not to mention all the people that DO have the experitise to figure this out and start their own ways of profiting.
It all boils down to the same fundamental level of authentication, no matter what hardware or methods of "uncrackable genius" you use to delay the inevitable.
If anything, there's much more attention focused on finding a mod for this than there ever was for the first. Expect a mod chip out sometime in the next 6 months.
Believe it or not, not that much caffeine in Coke.
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Coca-Cola's Coffee Soda
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Whether done with debit or credit, there's something consumers can do, and that, boys and girls, is called a "chargeback"!
It's a very simple call or a personal meeting to a manager at your bank stating that someone ripped you off and you would like your money returned to you.
The company has to do a lot to prove the charge was valid. If they actually ripped you off, then they won't go out of their way to dispute the chargeback.
In fact, this works TOO well. One time I ordered a product from overseas - the payment was processed the next day and I received an email saying the package shipped a few days later. Two weeks go by, no package. I contacted their company with emails and calls where they assured me that the package was shipped. I requested proof of a tracking number or receipt for the shipment, but received no response. I became suspicious of the situation, so I charged it back.
Not only did I get my money returned to me, but a few weeks later the product finally happened to arrive. Oops! But hey, they failed to assure me that I wasn't getting ripped off, so I did whatever I had to do to make sure it didn't happen.
People severely underestimate the power of the consumer.
The system is fine. M is the R equivalent.
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I haven't seen any single game go BEYOND what your typical R rated film does. Look how gory and disturbing The Devil's Rejects was (that is a good thing, btw)! That received an R.
Besides, M and AO aren't that different. M is 17+ and AO is *gasp* 18+. One year doesn't make a bit of difference.
Every game has a movie equivalent. So what game you wanna pick on? GTA? Then let's go after Goodfellas, Casino, or The Godfather.
You don't like Doom or Quake? Let's go after Aliens.
So in reality, the rating system is just fine. The problem here is that we put people in charge who think it's perfectly acceptable to push their bullshit moral agenda onto everyone else. Another problem is that those in charge are naive and ignorant, and dismiss video games as something "only children play".
If there's really that big of a problem with mature games falling into the hands of younger players, perhaps people should use their head and point the fingers at the parents. When they get the complaint about the game (otherwise, why do they care?), the person filing the complaint should ask the parents, "Where were you and what were you doing to let this happen? Sounds like a family communication issue."
I agree with one of the above posters: Wine is great.
The Apps Database shows Top X apps in each category. Gaming area has some surprising results, one of which being World of Warcraft (!) on their *GOLD* list, meaning it's virtually flawless.
Half-Life 2 is on there as well.
There's also other apps like Cedega which have a much larger library of supported games, but I believe you have to pay for it.
In any case, some of the most popular games out can run without a hitch.
The FCC doesn't govern what's on cable, only over the air networks like NBC, ABC, etc.
Cable could technically air whatever it wants as it's more or less selv goverened to please their advertisers.
Example: Comedy Central.
Every Saturday night they have 100% uncensored material. Also recall the South Park "shit" episode - that wouldn't have happened if the FCC had any say whatsoever....unless, of course, a change was made that slipped under the radar (which wouldn't surprise me).
What the hell are you talking about? Quit trolling.
Yes, when I said the writers weren't available *at all*, I was wrong, but it hardly matters since they aren't anywhere near affordable - likewise with the players still around the $1400 mark.
You just quoted my first post, and the point remains the same: the blu-ray/HD-DVDs don't have writers yet (elaborated to say: available and affordable to consumers, and widely accepted at THIS point in time), so hyping this next gen disc is pointless.
It's not rocket science.
You could take up some of your own advice with the common sense.
I stated: Hyping the next best thing in thinking it'll be out in "just a few years" is pointless since the next best thing (blu-ray/HD-DVD) haven't even made their way into mainstream use. Does your home player play blu-ray/HD-DVD? Nope, nor do the majority of consumers.
Ok, so I was wrong in saying they aren't available *at all*. If you really wanted one, the manufacturer-recommended price runs into US $3800.
Which technically still means: not available for general consumer use unless everyone suddenly has a few grand to blow on a writer. Either way, it's not widely accepted and used at this point in time, and won't be for another few years.
You also need to be able to read these discs as well as convince the general public to adopt this format, whether it's for higher quality movies or a reasonable backup solution. The former won't happen because most players don't play the discs yet, and the latter won't happen because it doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint to adopt this technology as opposed to buying a few 350+ gig hard drives.
Funny, do a lil search on Google for them. There's a reason they don't come up for sale in Froogle or any other retailer. Know why? They aren't out for general consumer use yet. I swear you people are fucking retarded. How can you sit there and try to tell me something exists that doesn't *laugh*
If you feel the points are invalid, by all means, prove them wrong instead of being bitter little ass about it. Go on, provide a link to a place that sells blu-ray writers.
Vaporware does not count. "But they'll be out soon," does not count.
My original point is actually pretty valid. You have to use common sense, basic reading comprehension, and rather common knowledge in technology to figure it out and make sense of it. Here, I'll repeat it for you:
Hyping the next best thing in thinking it'll be out in "just a few years" is pointless since the next best thing (blu-ray/HD-DVD haven't) even made their way into mainstream use. Does your home player play blu-ray/HD-DVD? Nope, nor do the majority of consumers.
If you don't agree with it, provide insightful comments and your position, otherwise move the fuck on. No need to make yourself look like an ass by throwing a cyber-tantrum "OMFG THAT'S NOT TRUE U IDIOT ROLFL".
Most people don't realize that the system authentication, for anything, boils down to a simple pass/fail.
If it requires more than that, say key authentication, then you simply generate a placeholder that will let it pass.
Granted, I don't know the first thing about electrical devices and hardware at such a low level, but there is NO such thing as an "unhackable" system. It's impossible as long as the owner has access to the hardware.
Just a matter of when, which should be very soon.
It's just funny when a company believes they've found the end-all solution to piracy. Not gonna happen.
First question they should've thought about was: Why would/should consumers choose us?
1. Are our games fun? 2. Is our technology up to speed for today's standards? 3. Are our games logically affordable? 4. Is the unit innovative, easy for someone to use as a gaming system and cell phone while keeping in mind portability?
Answer to all of those is a resounding no. The system was horrible. Compared to what already existed, the graphics sucked and the games sucked. It was like taking a giant step backwards in the gaming industry. So who within the company honestly thought such a thing would be a good idea?
Granted game development and being "fun" is left up to the 3rd party developers, but even in taking on a project, "Hey, Nokia wants us to create a game for their new system"... one should think, "We better make this game damn good or we're screwed."
Releasing something less than amazing on a non-popular system is suicide.
I realize that sometimes success is based off of taking risks, but that also assumes the heads in charge know how to use logic. You can't just take a stab in the dark and expect to hit gold.
For instance, KDE not compiled runs like complete ass on my laptop (AthlonXP 1800). If I wait a few hrs for it to compile, it runs perfectly. Same applies for an old PIII 700 I have.
I can imagine the same holds true for other various systems as well.
I haven't tried it for anything server based like Apache... but there most certainly is a difference when it comes to graphical apps. Who knows, maybe it's a remote dependency that's out of whack, but I'm sure it'll take some time to sit and piece together exactly what dependency/library is causing it.
And three days to a week? That's a bit exaggerated. What exactly are you installing and on what machines?! I've had basic servers up and running in a matter of hours. Of course, I'm not running them on Pentium 2 300's or anything. If it comes down to it, install the pre-compiled package to get yourself up and running, and while you're up and running, recompile it to mold your system.
I'd really like to see benchmarks of duplicate systems, one running Gentoo (everything compiled) vs. generic package installs because if I could take a logical estimate, I'd say everything compiled runs a good 20% faster than generic install. Some things more than others (ie KDE).
The powder will be poured into the water system and then this device will be used to heat the streets of the city, allowing everyone to inhale said hallucinogenic powder for teh win.
Personally, I think Gentoo is a godsend for everything from teaching beginners step-by-step how their system is structured to creating a quick and powerful system 100% designed around YOUR machine.
Back in the day I used Slack because I didn't want bloat - just wanted barebones install with working network. Even when it came to installing packages... selecting from a list of pre-compiled bloated binaries is still bloat.
It's not truly optimized for YOUR system.
But there was a downside - say you wanted KDE, you'd have to compile by hand ALL the dependencies. Not fun. But I wasn't gonna sacrifice performance with the pre-compiled binaries.
I'm not bashing Slack, it was a great distro back in the day, but now that Gentoo exists, which gives you infinitely more control over your system not to mention automatic compile/emerge for anything you choose to install, why would you stick with the former?
It just seems counter productive to run a production based system on pre-compiled packages OR compiling everything yourself by hand and dealing w/ the dependencies.
This site takes reviews of each game from all different kinds of gaming sites and averages them together. It's actually a very reliable measure to get the quality of a game.
The highest ranking game is 90% (Perfect Dark Zero). Quake 4 coming in at 77% (not surprising since that game isn't really all that).
This isn't a troll post, but instead meant to point out that people are rushing out to buy a console that has mediocre games at launch. Now if 2 or 3 of these games were in the 95%+ zone, then there's a good reason to rush out and get it.
In 6-8 months when the PS3 comes out, it will drop down into the mid 200 range.
In another year, $199.
2 years, $149.
If you really wanna burn $500 so you can have 15 mins of fame with the "omgwtf, I have xbox before you," then more power to you. It's just stupid though considering the games aren't going anywhere and there really isn't anything worthwhile out for it just yet.
Quake 4? Yeah, out for PC. Maybe if Halo 3 launched with it, I could see the hype (and it would make sense), but that's not the case.
Same goes for PS3 and Revolution. Unless they're coming out with a handful of epic *QUALITY* games upon launch, MGS4, the next GTA, Final Fantasy 13, etc, it's just a pointless money sink. What, you're gonna spend $500 so you can play Monkey Ball? Damn.
I know a lot of little slashdot readers will cry over this post, but it's true.
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There's a history section of all the edits.
If you note the date and time of your cite, you should be fine. I'm sure people know that Wikis are ever changing.
In other words: don't put too much worry into it.
Gnome FTW.
Err... wait, I think I'm in the wrong flamewar...
Sorry, carry on.
Erm.... few years? I think you people overestimate copy-protection.
It doesn't take a rare person like Einstein to figure out a way to bypass copy protection and figure out the inner workings of the system.
Nothing is uncrackable, and when enough people are working to figure something out, it won't take long. Mod chip manufacturers made a TON of money from last gen consoles, so they have engineers working on this already. Not to mention all the people that DO have the experitise to figure this out and start their own ways of profiting.
It all boils down to the same fundamental level of authentication, no matter what hardware or methods of "uncrackable genius" you use to delay the inevitable.
If anything, there's much more attention focused on finding a mod for this than there ever was for the first. Expect a mod chip out sometime in the next 6 months.
People are commenting about "ungodly amounts of caffeine," but believe it or not, Coke doesn't contain all that much: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_ info1.shtml
In terms of caffeine content, a cup of coffee is equivalent to 3 or 4 cokes.
Two cups of coffee really isn't all that much, so... this drink should be just fine in the caffeine department.
Hm, let's make somethin up...
OJ Simpson had a part in not only his wife's murder, but JFK's.
What, I'm now exposing myself to have charges brought against me now? Doubt it.
Our justice system is fucked if this guy has any charges brought against him.
Whether done with debit or credit, there's something consumers can do, and that, boys and girls, is called a "chargeback"!
It's a very simple call or a personal meeting to a manager at your bank stating that someone ripped you off and you would like your money returned to you.
The company has to do a lot to prove the charge was valid. If they actually ripped you off, then they won't go out of their way to dispute the chargeback.
In fact, this works TOO well. One time I ordered a product from overseas - the payment was processed the next day and I received an email saying the package shipped a few days later. Two weeks go by, no package. I contacted their company with emails and calls where they assured me that the package was shipped. I requested proof of a tracking number or receipt for the shipment, but received no response. I became suspicious of the situation, so I charged it back.
Not only did I get my money returned to me, but a few weeks later the product finally happened to arrive. Oops! But hey, they failed to assure me that I wasn't getting ripped off, so I did whatever I had to do to make sure it didn't happen.
People severely underestimate the power of the consumer.
I haven't seen any single game go BEYOND what your typical R rated film does. Look how gory and disturbing The Devil's Rejects was (that is a good thing, btw)! That received an R.
Besides, M and AO aren't that different. M is 17+ and AO is *gasp* 18+. One year doesn't make a bit of difference.
Every game has a movie equivalent. So what game you wanna pick on? GTA? Then let's go after Goodfellas, Casino, or The Godfather.
You don't like Doom or Quake? Let's go after Aliens.
So in reality, the rating system is just fine. The problem here is that we put people in charge who think it's perfectly acceptable to push their bullshit moral agenda onto everyone else. Another problem is that those in charge are naive and ignorant, and dismiss video games as something "only children play".
If there's really that big of a problem with mature games falling into the hands of younger players, perhaps people should use their head and point the fingers at the parents. When they get the complaint about the game (otherwise, why do they care?), the person filing the complaint should ask the parents, "Where were you and what were you doing to let this happen? Sounds like a family communication issue."
I agree with one of the above posters: Wine is great.
The Apps Database shows Top X apps in each category. Gaming area has some surprising results, one of which being World of Warcraft (!) on their *GOLD* list, meaning it's virtually flawless.
Half-Life 2 is on there as well.
There's also other apps like Cedega which have a much larger library of supported games, but I believe you have to pay for it.
In any case, some of the most popular games out can run without a hitch.
The FCC doesn't govern what's on cable, only over the air networks like NBC, ABC, etc.
...unless, of course, a change was made that slipped under the radar (which wouldn't surprise me).
Cable could technically air whatever it wants as it's more or less selv goverened to please their advertisers.
Example: Comedy Central.
Every Saturday night they have 100% uncensored material. Also recall the South Park "shit" episode - that wouldn't have happened if the FCC had any say whatsoever.
Trolling is booooring.
Cut your losses, move on.
Wouldn't surprise me if there was some flaw in the code that allowed miscalculation or manipulation of votes.
Hmmm...
Guess we'll find out soon enough!
What the hell are you talking about? Quit trolling.
Yes, when I said the writers weren't available *at all*, I was wrong, but it hardly matters since they aren't anywhere near affordable - likewise with the players still around the $1400 mark.
You just quoted my first post, and the point remains the same: the blu-ray/HD-DVDs don't have writers yet (elaborated to say: available and affordable to consumers, and widely accepted at THIS point in time), so hyping this next gen disc is pointless.
It's not rocket science.
You could take up some of your own advice with the common sense.
Please explain how this makes my point invalid.
I stated: Hyping the next best thing in thinking it'll be out in "just a few years" is pointless since the next best thing (blu-ray/HD-DVD) haven't even made their way into mainstream use. Does your home player play blu-ray/HD-DVD? Nope, nor do the majority of consumers.
Ok, so I was wrong in saying they aren't available *at all*. If you really wanted one, the manufacturer-recommended price runs into US $3800.
Which technically still means: not available for general consumer use unless everyone suddenly has a few grand to blow on a writer. Either way, it's not widely accepted and used at this point in time, and won't be for another few years.
You also need to be able to read these discs as well as convince the general public to adopt this format, whether it's for higher quality movies or a reasonable backup solution. The former won't happen because most players don't play the discs yet, and the latter won't happen because it doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint to adopt this technology as opposed to buying a few 350+ gig hard drives.
My point still stands.
Funny, do a lil search on Google for them. There's a reason they don't come up for sale in Froogle or any other retailer. Know why? They aren't out for general consumer use yet. I swear you people are fucking retarded. How can you sit there and try to tell me something exists that doesn't *laugh*
If you feel the points are invalid, by all means, prove them wrong instead of being bitter little ass about it. Go on, provide a link to a place that sells blu-ray writers.
Vaporware does not count. "But they'll be out soon," does not count.
My original point is actually pretty valid. You have to use common sense, basic reading comprehension, and rather common knowledge in technology to figure it out and make sense of it. Here, I'll repeat it for you:
Hyping the next best thing in thinking it'll be out in "just a few years" is pointless since the next best thing (blu-ray/HD-DVD haven't) even made their way into mainstream use. Does your home player play blu-ray/HD-DVD? Nope, nor do the majority of consumers.
If you don't agree with it, provide insightful comments and your position, otherwise move the fuck on. No need to make yourself look like an ass by throwing a cyber-tantrum "OMFG THAT'S NOT TRUE U IDIOT ROLFL".
They already have Blu-ray writers out in Japan dumb-ass
;)
Does it look like I'm from Japan?
Personally, I wouldn't go around trying to insult people when you obviously aren't too bright yourself
Hell, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD don't even have writers yet.
Until they do, the storage capacity is completely irrelevant. Otherwise, how is it useful to the counsumer?
Most people don't realize that the system authentication, for anything, boils down to a simple pass/fail.
If it requires more than that, say key authentication, then you simply generate a placeholder that will let it pass.
Granted, I don't know the first thing about electrical devices and hardware at such a low level, but there is NO such thing as an "unhackable" system. It's impossible as long as the owner has access to the hardware.
Just a matter of when, which should be very soon.
It's just funny when a company believes they've found the end-all solution to piracy. Not gonna happen.
hahahahaha a+!
First question they should've thought about was: Why would/should consumers choose us?
1. Are our games fun?
2. Is our technology up to speed for today's standards?
3. Are our games logically affordable?
4. Is the unit innovative, easy for someone to use as a gaming system and cell phone while keeping in mind portability?
Answer to all of those is a resounding no. The system was horrible. Compared to what already existed, the graphics sucked and the games sucked. It was like taking a giant step backwards in the gaming industry. So who within the company honestly thought such a thing would be a good idea?
Granted game development and being "fun" is left up to the 3rd party developers, but even in taking on a project, "Hey, Nokia wants us to create a game for their new system"... one should think, "We better make this game damn good or we're screwed."
Releasing something less than amazing on a non-popular system is suicide.
I realize that sometimes success is based off of taking risks, but that also assumes the heads in charge know how to use logic. You can't just take a stab in the dark and expect to hit gold.
Depends on what you're compiling.
For instance, KDE not compiled runs like complete ass on my laptop (AthlonXP 1800). If I wait a few hrs for it to compile, it runs perfectly. Same applies for an old PIII 700 I have.
I can imagine the same holds true for other various systems as well.
I haven't tried it for anything server based like Apache... but there most certainly is a difference when it comes to graphical apps. Who knows, maybe it's a remote dependency that's out of whack, but I'm sure it'll take some time to sit and piece together exactly what dependency/library is causing it.
And three days to a week? That's a bit exaggerated. What exactly are you installing and on what machines?! I've had basic servers up and running in a matter of hours. Of course, I'm not running them on Pentium 2 300's or anything. If it comes down to it, install the pre-compiled package to get yourself up and running, and while you're up and running, recompile it to mold your system.
I'd really like to see benchmarks of duplicate systems, one running Gentoo (everything compiled) vs. generic package installs because if I could take a logical estimate, I'd say everything compiled runs a good 20% faster than generic install. Some things more than others (ie KDE).
The powder will be poured into the water system and then this device will be used to heat the streets of the city, allowing everyone to inhale said hallucinogenic powder for teh win.
Personally, I think Gentoo is a godsend for everything from teaching beginners step-by-step how their system is structured to creating a quick and powerful system 100% designed around YOUR machine.
Back in the day I used Slack because I didn't want bloat - just wanted barebones install with working network. Even when it came to installing packages... selecting from a list of pre-compiled bloated binaries is still bloat.
It's not truly optimized for YOUR system.
But there was a downside - say you wanted KDE, you'd have to compile by hand ALL the dependencies. Not fun. But I wasn't gonna sacrifice performance with the pre-compiled binaries.
I'm not bashing Slack, it was a great distro back in the day, but now that Gentoo exists, which gives you infinitely more control over your system not to mention automatic compile/emerge for anything you choose to install, why would you stick with the former?
It just seems counter productive to run a production based system on pre-compiled packages OR compiling everything yourself by hand and dealing w/ the dependencies.
Just a follow up to the above - here's a list of all the games that were released with the 360: http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/default_x 360/1029
This site takes reviews of each game from all different kinds of gaming sites and averages them together. It's actually a very reliable measure to get the quality of a game.
The highest ranking game is 90% (Perfect Dark Zero). Quake 4 coming in at 77% (not surprising since that game isn't really all that).
This isn't a troll post, but instead meant to point out that people are rushing out to buy a console that has mediocre games at launch. Now if 2 or 3 of these games were in the 95%+ zone, then there's a good reason to rush out and get it.
$500 for a console.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
In 6-8 months when the PS3 comes out, it will drop down into the mid 200 range.
In another year, $199.
2 years, $149.
If you really wanna burn $500 so you can have 15 mins of fame with the "omgwtf, I have xbox before you," then more power to you. It's just stupid though considering the games aren't going anywhere and there really isn't anything worthwhile out for it just yet.
Quake 4? Yeah, out for PC. Maybe if Halo 3 launched with it, I could see the hype (and it would make sense), but that's not the case.
Same goes for PS3 and Revolution. Unless they're coming out with a handful of epic *QUALITY* games upon launch, MGS4, the next GTA, Final Fantasy 13, etc, it's just a pointless money sink. What, you're gonna spend $500 so you can play Monkey Ball? Damn.
I know a lot of little slashdot readers will cry over this post, but it's true.