So stating an opinion is frothing? Heh.. Yes, I played Wind Waker. I own it.
I never said the cartoon look was bad, so calm your little horses down, son. In fact, one of the first things I said was that it looked good. To use the clever retort: did you even *READ* my post?
Given the choice between the Zelda shown in the trailer and the cell shaded style of WW, I'd pick the Zelda in the trailer just because it looks better. Given OOT vs. WW, I'll take WW graphics.
Hm, and when did I use mature to mean adult? Not once, but since you brought it up (kinda OT), WW is NOT mature. It's more of a younger player's game. I'm not talking about graphics, but gameplay. There wasn't a single challenging aspect of that game. Puzzles were easy and enemies were easier. Not to mention it was ungodly SHORT.
Anyway, back to the topic: the new Zelda graphics are on top of anything they've done in the past. Let's just hope the gameplay kicks the challenge level up a notch.
The cell shading in WW was awesome, but in all seriousness, it really was a child's game. It was hands down the shortest and easiest modern (post NES) Zelda title to date.
I think Ocarina of Time still holds the crown. Not only was it increidbly difficult at times, but that game was f'n HUGE. Not to mention it completely redefined the Zelda series.
You can make the graphics as pretty as you want, but you're gonna lose credit with the fans if you take away all the challenging/fun gameplay elements!
hahahaha, you're discrediting the new Zelda because it isn't as "realistic" as the cell shaded Wind Waker? Sorry to burst your bubble, but cartoons aren't realistic. Do you watch the Jetsons and think, "Wow, those character sure do look real..."? Highly doubt it. The cell shading in Wind Waker worked out very nicely, but it was FAR from realistic and far from "mature" in terms of the 3D acceleration and lighting that the GameCube is capacle of.
Just because something's animated doesn't make it a step in the right direction. With the GC's rendering, it just so happens to look crystal clear. You sacrifice the realism for cartoonish graphics and that's what happens.
The graphics shown in the new Zelda trailer ARE, in fact, more mature and a step in the right direction. The way the lighting and textures look, you get a more high res 3D look and feel than ever before with any Zelda title.
At this point, to claim the characters have no emotion or artistic focus is kinda silly. This is just a trailer, not to mention Link in Wind Waker was completely void of emotion.
What if I purchased a laptop that came with a copy of XP Pro. I'd own a license for it. What if I installed the patched copy of XP Pro that completely removes activation BUT use my real CD key?
That's not piracy.
Should those people be denied updates? They paid for their LICENSE just like everyone else.
60%, huh? Did you know that 90% of statistics are made up?
I don't know a single person with a pirated copy of XP or 2000,which is pretty much everyone I know that has a computer (shocking, huh?), who's afraid to use Windows Update.
Because we're talking about P2P, it's okay to crapflood the networks with this shit? Who the hell do these guys think they are?
That's bullshit hypocrisy right there. Because you don't like something, that gives you every right to destroy/break it?
Yeah, smart thinking there. Ruin P2P because it's a medium used to share copyrighted material. While you're at it, crapflood IRC, Newsgroups, Instant Messaging protcols, and email because they could be used to send others copyrighted material.
"OOOh if I steal a car, should I be entitled to free oil changes?!"
First off, dip shit, and oil change is not "patching" your car. It's maintenance. If MS had some online service that scanned your registry for you to make sure it was free of viruses and spyware, then yes, your analogy would work.
Second, quit comparing pirating software to stealing physical property. Unless you're a fucking idiot, you know the two are nothing alike. I have a pirated copy of WinXP along with thousands and thousands of other people. Tell me, again, how much MS made in profit last year.
On that note, save me your pathetic, "So that gives you the right to download it?!" retorts. It doesn't concern you or affect you in anyway, so move along. Hypocrites.
To answer the question "Should pirates get patches?": Yes. Why? Because they'll get it either way, and any time/money you spend trying to implement anti-piracy methods will be wasted.. because within hours a patch will be available.
How is this a step closer to that? MS already tried something like this with SP1. Look at how fast that was patched...
In fact, there's already a patched copy of this update available for those w/ invalid CD-Keys.
MS is FAR from perfecting "anti-piracy".
A lot of colleges actually provide those services to their students.
Generally, when you become a part of their network (as an active student), you also gain access to other academic databases and search engines very similar to those you mentioned that would normally otherwise be restricted to that particular University.
While this thread is mentioned Google in particular, I think the same could be applied to the internet in general mainly because of all the information that's readily available just a few keystrokes away. Of course, it'd be pretty bold to say, "Every single research paper could be written with ease thanks to the internet," but for the majority of general academics (and what most people go through) search engines are (from my experience) more than sufficient.
For example, the GBA lacks the X and Y buttons of SNES, thus making a lot of the ports very awkward to control.
They started to lose footing with N64 by going cart based instead of CD based, and as a result, lost quite a bit of licensing. Bye bye, Squaresoft! No FF7 for Nintendo. Don't get me wrong, the console had a few good games (like Zelda), but there weren't many... just like with the GC. Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Remake, and Zelda (although I wish it was longer) were decent games, but... that's about it.
Sony has good sense in the usability department. The last I heard about the PSP, it'll pretty much imitate the PS constroller. 4 buttons on the right, triggers at the top, etc..
Will the DS be backwards compatible with GB/GBA?...and what's with including the very out-of-place technology? There's been this trend about putting games on cell phones, but... the point of a cell phone is to talk with people, not play games. I don't think "wow, I can play games on this!" has been a big sales factor with phones, just like I highly doubt, "Ooooh, I can send IMs to my friends with my DS/PSP!" will be a big sales factor. What am I gonna do... press the up/down arrows to select letters one by one by one? It'll take ages to type out anything worthwhile. There gonna be a hookup for some type of keyboard? It's like using your cell for Instant Messaging: very freakin awkward and half the time not worth the trouble.
It boils down to games: how well they look, how good they play, and overall fun factor. Since Nintendo seems to be losing their footing, I feel that the victor will be Sony.
Nintendo has made too many mistakes and at this point, it's simply too late to reclaim the throne. They're basically a console for younger players, as those mature enough will find more entertainment in games that PS2/XBox has to offer.
Maybe their next-gen system will do good enough to make licensees think about switching to Nintendo for the console AFTER it, but... the next-gen will pretty much go to Sony again.
It is still possible - though sometimes a bit difficult - to find mature technical discussions among the tens of thousands of I.R.C. chat rooms, known as channels, operating at any one time.
What the hell? How is it difficult to find mature technical discussions? What do you want to discuss? Windows? Type "/list windows". Linux? "/list linux". When the results are complete, click the channel you want. Simple. Use your head, if results come back "#linux_sluts - Sluts who get naked and slutty for linux guys XXX", then chances are that's not a good place to discuss the latest kernel.
These news articles are always reporting about unnecessary things. Why target IRC? AOL has the same type of shit. Take a look in the member created chat rooms... "m4m will swallow" "my dog, ur place" "azn m4 hamster" "canadian hookers" etc..
I first had access to the internet back in '96 when I was a sophomore in High School. I've written TONS of research papers since then, even more so in college. Using the internet to look up information not only returns better (and more) information than the library would have, but it's faster. For example, you could look up ATP in an encyclopedia, but if you saw "nucleotide" and didn't know what that was.. guess what? Flip to Nucleotide.. look it up.. etc etc. as opposed to clicking a single link provided on MOST pages that explain ATP. Faster, more efficient data retreival.
Library resources take up WAY too much time, and they aren't always guaranteed to have what you're looking for. It's a flat out waste of time. I'm not saying "burn all the books", but there is absolutely NO point in using the library for research as opposed to the internet.
For example, I had to write a 10 page paper comparing and contrasting Dostoyevsky and Joseph Conrad. The professor wanted us to use the LIBRARY to look up magazine articles that other journalists wrote which discussed either of these two authors. I wanted to stab my teacher in the eye for that one. I saw how much time other students wasted in the library trying to find their information, and I really can't say I understand how exactly the library is BETTER.
We had two weeks straight where our entire class was in the Library researching this. Let me tell you, it's not fun trying to find resources that 20 other students are trying to search for at the same time. Needless to say, I left early every time we went down there. A few days before the report was due, I used google and found all the articles I'd ever need for this paper in little under an hour.
When all was said and done, I got an A on my paper. What'd it cost me? An hour of research, which is about a 10th of what most other people spent on it (there were a few others who also used Google).
This is what I don't understand about professors. They're so hard up for you to use the library, but there's really no point in it. If my assignment is to compare and contrast two authors, wtf difference does it make if I use the library vs. Google? It's like those math teachers in the 60's who frowned upon calculators and insisted you use your "handy, tried and true" slide rule.
One DVD9 will be more expensive than purchasing two separate DVD5s. What's the point in using it, then? I could see if current DVD-R prices dropped to 50 cents a disc and the DVD9's took over the $1-2 range, but it doesn't look as if it will be that way.
And compatibility... if your DVD player is able to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, would it play DVD-R/RW DL without any issues? It might be fine for data backup, but if you can't copy movies and watch them, then that's a problem.
Currently, your options are to either split the movie across 2 DVDs, or compress it so that it looks like ass.
These new DVD9's don't introduce many new options as the discs will be more than twice as expensive as current DVD-R's. So you can use two $2 DVD-Rs and copy a movie (uncompressed), or you can buy one DVD9 for $6.
So unless you have money to blow (granted, $6 is still better than paying full cost of a new one), and trust me, it does add up, there really isn't much point in the new format.
a) it discounts all notebooks which are primarily Intel
*Used* to be primarily Intel! Have you checked Best Buy, Circuit City, or any other big chain that sells computers lately? You'll have just as many, if not more, AMD than Intel.
I noticed this when I went to purchase my laptop last year and saw that they were pretty much ALL AMD. When I checked with other stores to compare prices, I noticed the same thing. Best Buy actually had more AMD than Intel, but the others had the same amount of both.
Interesting days when retailers actually start to realize true quality in regards to PC hardware!
Had the ol' "To get into my site, visit this URL [url to paying click site] and search for "shampoo". The first word of the second paragraph + the third word of the fouth paragraph of the first item listed is the password to get in."
I'd rack up like $100 a week for like 2 months. I couldn't believe it worked, but looking back on it, it's unbelievable I never got caught.
I download GIGS of movies, mp3s, and games a week.. pretty much to the point where my download bandwidth is saturated. Been doing so for nearly 2 years on this account and they haven't said one word.
I know a lot of people are against piracy. That's great and all, but what does that have to do with the fact that Comcast is basically spying on their users? Don't you see anything wrong with that?
A lot of you are blind and assume that because it's their network, they can do whatever they want. They can *to a point*. What if they collected information about sites you visited in an attempt to sell targeted media to you? If that were the case, it's not okay, but the second you throw in "illegal activity", it becomes okay? No!
You can be against it all you want, you can speak your opinion all you want, but mind your own business, especially if it doesn't affect you. Instead, realize that there are greater evils, like the fact that these corporations are taking the law into their own hands. It's happening more and more every day, and if you shrug it off and say, "Well, it's okay because it's targeting pirates," then you have no respect for privacy period.
Are you really willing to bend over without thinking give up your privacy just so the industry can go after a few home P2P users sharing files? It's absurd to think you can stamp out piracy by going after home users and it's even more absurd to willingly give up your right to privacy just so they can try.
I'm sick of people thinking that ISPs can do whatever the hell they want just because "it's their network."
Sorry, but I have a right to privacy. If I ever catch my ISP spying on shit I do, I'm cancelling immediately. The reason why ISPs *think* (keyword: think) they can get away with it is because people are SHEEP and do nothing about it. I'm sure you're the same type of idiot who supports the Patriot Act too, am I right? I think I am. Sacrifice some privacy for the law, huh?
Nobody gives a shit about their right to privacy anymore. It's all about "well if you steal then you should pay the penalty!" Well, if you didn't spy on me, then you wouldn't know what I download! People say "well they monitor certain ports", but that's bullshit as every major P2P client has the ability to change the port.
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So stating an opinion is frothing? Heh.. Yes, I played Wind Waker. I own it.
I never said the cartoon look was bad, so calm your little horses down, son. In fact, one of the first things I said was that it looked good. To use the clever retort: did you even *READ* my post?
Given the choice between the Zelda shown in the trailer and the cell shaded style of WW, I'd pick the Zelda in the trailer just because it looks better. Given OOT vs. WW, I'll take WW graphics.
Hm, and when did I use mature to mean adult? Not once, but since you brought it up (kinda OT), WW is NOT mature. It's more of a younger player's game. I'm not talking about graphics, but gameplay. There wasn't a single challenging aspect of that game. Puzzles were easy and enemies were easier. Not to mention it was ungodly SHORT.
Anyway, back to the topic: the new Zelda graphics are on top of anything they've done in the past. Let's just hope the gameplay kicks the challenge level up a notch.
The cell shading in WW was awesome, but in all seriousness, it really was a child's game. It was hands down the shortest and easiest modern (post NES) Zelda title to date.
I think Ocarina of Time still holds the crown. Not only was it increidbly difficult at times, but that game was f'n HUGE. Not to mention it completely redefined the Zelda series.
You can make the graphics as pretty as you want, but you're gonna lose credit with the fans if you take away all the challenging/fun gameplay elements!
hahahaha, you're discrediting the new Zelda because it isn't as "realistic" as the cell shaded Wind Waker? Sorry to burst your bubble, but cartoons aren't realistic. Do you watch the Jetsons and think, "Wow, those character sure do look real..."? Highly doubt it. The cell shading in Wind Waker worked out very nicely, but it was FAR from realistic and far from "mature" in terms of the 3D acceleration and lighting that the GameCube is capacle of.
Just because something's animated doesn't make it a step in the right direction. With the GC's rendering, it just so happens to look crystal clear. You sacrifice the realism for cartoonish graphics and that's what happens.
The graphics shown in the new Zelda trailer ARE, in fact, more mature and a step in the right direction. The way the lighting and textures look, you get a more high res 3D look and feel than ever before with any Zelda title.
At this point, to claim the characters have no emotion or artistic focus is kinda silly. This is just a trailer, not to mention Link in Wind Waker was completely void of emotion.
hahaha yeah, because IPs are being shown ALL OVER /.!!
So to answer your question: Nope! Better luck next time, hehe. ;)
*shrug*
No harm done so far by using a pirated copy, so no real reason to change.
What if I purchased a laptop that came with a copy of XP Pro. I'd own a license for it. What if I installed the patched copy of XP Pro that completely removes activation BUT use my real CD key?
That's not piracy.
Should those people be denied updates? They paid for their LICENSE just like everyone else.
Actually, SP1 doesn't check the validity of the license. It simply denies those who have a CD key starting with "FCKGW".
The SP1 fix for pirated copies of Windows XP is a simple re-registering of a newly generated CD key. No need to activate.
So basically if you installed a pirated copy of WinXP (that has activation removed) and used any other key besides "FCKGW...", you're good to go.
Not much of a "piracy prevention" system going on there.
60%, huh? Did you know that 90% of statistics are made up?
I don't know a single person with a pirated copy of XP or 2000,which is pretty much everyone I know that has a computer (shocking, huh?), who's afraid to use Windows Update.
Because we're talking about P2P, it's okay to crapflood the networks with this shit? Who the hell do these guys think they are?
That's bullshit hypocrisy right there. Because you don't like something, that gives you every right to destroy/break it?
Yeah, smart thinking there. Ruin P2P because it's a medium used to share copyrighted material. While you're at it, crapflood IRC, Newsgroups, Instant Messaging protcols, and email because they could be used to send others copyrighted material.
These dickheads need to mind their own business.
"OOOh if I steal a car, should I be entitled to free oil changes?!"
First off, dip shit, and oil change is not "patching" your car. It's maintenance. If MS had some online service that scanned your registry for you to make sure it was free of viruses and spyware, then yes, your analogy would work.
Second, quit comparing pirating software to stealing physical property. Unless you're a fucking idiot, you know the two are nothing alike. I have a pirated copy of WinXP along with thousands and thousands of other people. Tell me, again, how much MS made in profit last year.
On that note, save me your pathetic, "So that gives you the right to download it?!" retorts. It doesn't concern you or affect you in anyway, so move along. Hypocrites.
To answer the question "Should pirates get patches?": Yes. Why? Because they'll get it either way, and any time/money you spend trying to implement anti-piracy methods will be wasted.. because within hours a patch will be available.
How is this a step closer to that? MS already tried something like this with SP1. Look at how fast that was patched... In fact, there's already a patched copy of this update available for those w/ invalid CD-Keys. MS is FAR from perfecting "anti-piracy".
A lot of colleges actually provide those services to their students.
Generally, when you become a part of their network (as an active student), you also gain access to other academic databases and search engines very similar to those you mentioned that would normally otherwise be restricted to that particular University.
While this thread is mentioned Google in particular, I think the same could be applied to the internet in general mainly because of all the information that's readily available just a few keystrokes away. Of course, it'd be pretty bold to say, "Every single research paper could be written with ease thanks to the internet," but for the majority of general academics (and what most people go through) search engines are (from my experience) more than sufficient.
For example, the GBA lacks the X and Y buttons of SNES, thus making a lot of the ports very awkward to control.
...and what's with including the very out-of-place technology? There's been this trend about putting games on cell phones, but... the point of a cell phone is to talk with people, not play games. I don't think "wow, I can play games on this!" has been a big sales factor with phones, just like I highly doubt, "Ooooh, I can send IMs to my friends with my DS/PSP!" will be a big sales factor. What am I gonna do... press the up/down arrows to select letters one by one by one? It'll take ages to type out anything worthwhile. There gonna be a hookup for some type of keyboard? It's like using your cell for Instant Messaging: very freakin awkward and half the time not worth the trouble.
They started to lose footing with N64 by going cart based instead of CD based, and as a result, lost quite a bit of licensing. Bye bye, Squaresoft! No FF7 for Nintendo. Don't get me wrong, the console had a few good games (like Zelda), but there weren't many... just like with the GC. Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Remake, and Zelda (although I wish it was longer) were decent games, but... that's about it.
Sony has good sense in the usability department. The last I heard about the PSP, it'll pretty much imitate the PS constroller. 4 buttons on the right, triggers at the top, etc..
Will the DS be backwards compatible with GB/GBA?
It boils down to games: how well they look, how good they play, and overall fun factor. Since Nintendo seems to be losing their footing, I feel that the victor will be Sony.
Nintendo has made too many mistakes and at this point, it's simply too late to reclaim the throne. They're basically a console for younger players, as those mature enough will find more entertainment in games that PS2/XBox has to offer.
Maybe their next-gen system will do good enough to make licensees think about switching to Nintendo for the console AFTER it, but... the next-gen will pretty much go to Sony again.
It is still possible - though sometimes a bit difficult - to find mature technical discussions among the tens of thousands of I.R.C. chat rooms, known as channels, operating at any one time.
What the hell? How is it difficult to find mature technical discussions? What do you want to discuss? Windows? Type "/list windows". Linux? "/list linux". When the results are complete, click the channel you want. Simple. Use your head, if results come back "#linux_sluts - Sluts who get naked and slutty for linux guys XXX", then chances are that's not a good place to discuss the latest kernel.
These news articles are always reporting about unnecessary things. Why target IRC? AOL has the same type of shit. Take a look in the member created chat rooms... "m4m will swallow" "my dog, ur place" "azn m4 hamster" "canadian hookers" etc..
I'm not quite sure I agree with that.
I first had access to the internet back in '96 when I was a sophomore in High School. I've written TONS of research papers since then, even more so in college. Using the internet to look up information not only returns better (and more) information than the library would have, but it's faster. For example, you could look up ATP in an encyclopedia, but if you saw "nucleotide" and didn't know what that was.. guess what? Flip to Nucleotide.. look it up.. etc etc. as opposed to clicking a single link provided on MOST pages that explain ATP. Faster, more efficient data retreival.
Library resources take up WAY too much time, and they aren't always guaranteed to have what you're looking for. It's a flat out waste of time. I'm not saying "burn all the books", but there is absolutely NO point in using the library for research as opposed to the internet.
For example, I had to write a 10 page paper comparing and contrasting Dostoyevsky and Joseph Conrad. The professor wanted us to use the LIBRARY to look up magazine articles that other journalists wrote which discussed either of these two authors. I wanted to stab my teacher in the eye for that one. I saw how much time other students wasted in the library trying to find their information, and I really can't say I understand how exactly the library is BETTER.
We had two weeks straight where our entire class was in the Library researching this. Let me tell you, it's not fun trying to find resources that 20 other students are trying to search for at the same time. Needless to say, I left early every time we went down there. A few days before the report was due, I used google and found all the articles I'd ever need for this paper in little under an hour.
When all was said and done, I got an A on my paper. What'd it cost me? An hour of research, which is about a 10th of what most other people spent on it (there were a few others who also used Google).
This is what I don't understand about professors. They're so hard up for you to use the library, but there's really no point in it. If my assignment is to compare and contrast two authors, wtf difference does it make if I use the library vs. Google? It's like those math teachers in the 60's who frowned upon calculators and insisted you use your "handy, tried and true" slide rule.
No one mentions those, but they will be an issue.
One DVD9 will be more expensive than purchasing two separate DVD5s. What's the point in using it, then? I could see if current DVD-R prices dropped to 50 cents a disc and the DVD9's took over the $1-2 range, but it doesn't look as if it will be that way.
And compatibility... if your DVD player is able to play DVD-R and DVD-RW, would it play DVD-R/RW DL without any issues? It might be fine for data backup, but if you can't copy movies and watch them, then that's a problem.
Currently, your options are to either split the movie across 2 DVDs, or compress it so that it looks like ass.
These new DVD9's don't introduce many new options as the discs will be more than twice as expensive as current DVD-R's. So you can use two $2 DVD-Rs and copy a movie (uncompressed), or you can buy one DVD9 for $6.
So unless you have money to blow (granted, $6 is still better than paying full cost of a new one), and trust me, it does add up, there really isn't much point in the new format.
a) it discounts all notebooks which are primarily Intel
*Used* to be primarily Intel! Have you checked Best Buy, Circuit City, or any other big chain that sells computers lately? You'll have just as many, if not more, AMD than Intel.
I noticed this when I went to purchase my laptop last year and saw that they were pretty much ALL AMD. When I checked with other stores to compare prices, I noticed the same thing. Best Buy actually had more AMD than Intel, but the others had the same amount of both.
Interesting days when retailers actually start to realize true quality in regards to PC hardware!
When is this supposed to be available for the average joe to use?
Also, what measures (if any) have they taken to combat the current internet's limitations and vulnerabilities?
Same thing.
Lack of concern on their part gives the ISP a false impression that this type of thing is okay to do.. and it's not.
If more people would wake the fuck up and realize what's going on, we wouldn't have these problems.
Used to run a warez FTP in IRC back in the day.
Had the ol' "To get into my site, visit this URL [url to paying click site] and search for "shampoo". The first word of the second paragraph + the third word of the fouth paragraph of the first item listed is the password to get in."
I'd rack up like $100 a week for like 2 months. I couldn't believe it worked, but looking back on it, it's unbelievable I never got caught.
I highly doubt my ISP spies on me.
I download GIGS of movies, mp3s, and games a week.. pretty much to the point where my download bandwidth is saturated. Been doing so for nearly 2 years on this account and they haven't said one word.
I know a lot of people are against piracy. That's great and all, but what does that have to do with the fact that Comcast is basically spying on their users? Don't you see anything wrong with that?
A lot of you are blind and assume that because it's their network, they can do whatever they want. They can *to a point*. What if they collected information about sites you visited in an attempt to sell targeted media to you? If that were the case, it's not okay, but the second you throw in "illegal activity", it becomes okay? No!
You can be against it all you want, you can speak your opinion all you want, but mind your own business, especially if it doesn't affect you. Instead, realize that there are greater evils, like the fact that these corporations are taking the law into their own hands. It's happening more and more every day, and if you shrug it off and say, "Well, it's okay because it's targeting pirates," then you have no respect for privacy period.
Are you really willing to bend over without thinking give up your privacy just so the industry can go after a few home P2P users sharing files? It's absurd to think you can stamp out piracy by going after home users and it's even more absurd to willingly give up your right to privacy just so they can try.
I'm sick of people thinking that ISPs can do whatever the hell they want just because "it's their network."
Sorry, but I have a right to privacy. If I ever catch my ISP spying on shit I do, I'm cancelling immediately. The reason why ISPs *think* (keyword: think) they can get away with it is because people are SHEEP and do nothing about it. I'm sure you're the same type of idiot who supports the Patriot Act too, am I right? I think I am. Sacrifice some privacy for the law, huh?
Nobody gives a shit about their right to privacy anymore. It's all about "well if you steal then you should pay the penalty!" Well, if you didn't spy on me, then you wouldn't know what I download! People say "well they monitor certain ports", but that's bullshit as every major P2P client has the ability to change the port.
...we're one step closer to full blown anonymous P2P.
So, bring it on! They might score a point or two now, but once the anonymous apps are unleashed, they'll be shitting their pants!