To answer your questions, Cocoa Java is pretty good, not as good as Cocoa w/ ObjC, but still damn good. Cocoa is refrence counted and can also be "GC'ed" (via autoreleasing). Comming from Java, I actually prefer the refrence counting over GC but that is just me. You can create your own cocoa 'controls' (called Views in Cocoa speak), and they damn pretty damn easy just need to implement the drawRect: method. As for the web browser stuff, not that I know of, and funky datatypes, nope, just stuff like, NSImage, NSString (remember Cocoa came from NeXTSTEP), and yes, you can pass object references.
I was the same way, until I learned my way around the api, a great resource, if you don't already know about it is the Cocoa Mailing lists. http://cocoa.mamasam.com/ is a nice archive. I do agree it would be nice it some parts of it were more modernized (e.g. a nice Quicktime API) but im not sure when/if that will ever happen.
I too am in the boat, however, I thought the same as well (about wxWidgets), until I started programming with Cocoa and Objective-C. Once I got the hang of the syntax and using Interface Builder w/ Project Builder / XCode, I find it a pain to develop any other way. Sure I don't have crossplatform as much (gnustep?) but, I guess it is once you go NeXT you never go back.
thanks!
About the ac posting, I was talking with a friend about that last week, but never got around to it. I have just enabled it, thanks for the reminder:-)
James
way cool! does he have a webpage up about it? It would be cool if more people just picked up and started writing games (or helping for that matter), but the problem is, finding artists for all of the games out there. It seems like artists (generally speaking) aren't as willing to devote some time to a project as coders are (without pay that is).
that seems an awful lot like open source software. So I guess one could say that opensource is the 'next big thing' because one can modify it as much as they want.
being a Cocoa programmer myself, my guess is, maybe. Once having developed the *step way, I find it a pain to prgoram in environments that aren't message based (such as ObjC/*Step). One thing is for sure though, developing in QT would make your programs look normal in the average linux user's envionment, and would look prettier. Of course the horinztal menu patch could change part of that.
to get rid of the toolbar up top, Right click on it, add a toolbar to the bottom, then right click on the toolbar up top and click delete toolbar (or something of that nature). Top bar gone:-)
Yea, that would rule if they just made games mainly for consoles. As afaik the PS3 will be running linux, so x86/ppc linux support is only a compile away.
I am one of those that "sells" (not on payroll) Apple, but I also sell other things, such as Linux, Openoffice and Mozilla, and open-standards. I use OS X because I am addicted to Objective-C and the NeXT way of developing (yes, yes I know, GNUstep, but it is a bit cumbersome as of now). Why do I "sell" apple? Because I belive that it provides one of the best user experiences out there. Why do I "sell" linux? Because it is (generaly speaking) more secure than that OS that comes out of Redmond, and depending on the tasks (non power-user) can provide a better experience. As for OpenOffice and Mozilla, people like the idea of using an Office Suite freely and not breaking some copyright laws in the process. As for Mozilla, people like being able to browse with-out pop ups, have built in spam filtering in ther mail, and tabs. In short *I* sell alternatives because without some "grassroots* efforts, nobody would know about them.
So what are you saying, that Apple's Professional Workstations are only now catching up to Dell's Consumer machines?
Where is that dual processing consumer dell? Sure it may have an extra GHz (for now), but it still has ide, a cd-rw drive, some usb (maybe not even "Full Speed"),and if you are lucky some decent firewire 400. Now, that sure does sound a lot slower to me, what with them only use ide instead of sata, no superdrive, not even a full range of io ports (firewire400/800/usb2) hell, not even digital audio in/out. All of that and more (64bit etc.) is what seperates a consumer machine from a workstation. If you want to buy a workstation, go right ahead, infact I encourage it. But the fact remains, that workstations are always faster than consumer machines because professionals have and will spend the money to get the fast and stable (hardware stable, not os stable) machine.
umm.. the G5 isn't a consumer machine. It is a professional workstation. Apple's consumer machines are the iBook/eMac/iMac. Pretty much Anything with an X or Power infront of it are professional machines.
I'm not sure if it was so much Adobe as it was Disney and 2 other unnamed companys paying codeweavers lots of money to get Photoshop 7 (was current at the time) running in Crossover Office/Wine.
roadrunner is 3mb/384kbit for residental cable, and you can host whatever you want on it for 45 bucks a month. Sure, your ip is dynamic, but it only changes like once every 6 months - year. Even then, im sure you could get the static ip for a few bucks more each month...
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To answer your questions, Cocoa Java is pretty good, not as good as Cocoa w/ ObjC, but still damn good. Cocoa is refrence counted and can also be "GC'ed" (via autoreleasing). Comming from Java, I actually prefer the refrence counting over GC but that is just me. You can create your own cocoa 'controls' (called Views in Cocoa speak), and they damn pretty damn easy just need to implement the drawRect: method. As for the web browser stuff, not that I know of, and funky datatypes, nope, just stuff like, NSImage, NSString (remember Cocoa came from NeXTSTEP), and yes, you can pass object references.
I was the same way, until I learned my way around the api, a great resource, if you don't already know about it is the Cocoa Mailing lists. http://cocoa.mamasam.com/ is a nice archive. I do agree it would be nice it some parts of it were more modernized (e.g. a nice Quicktime API) but im not sure when/if that will ever happen.
I too am in the boat, however, I thought the same as well (about wxWidgets), until I started programming with Cocoa and Objective-C. Once I got the hang of the syntax and using Interface Builder w/ Project Builder / XCode, I find it a pain to develop any other way. Sure I don't have crossplatform as much (gnustep?) but, I guess it is once you go NeXT you never go back.
now that the xfree86 server is effectively forked, is there a chance of getting true alphablending and shadows?
thanks! About the ac posting, I was talking with a friend about that last week, but never got around to it. I have just enabled it, thanks for the reminder :-)
James
oh the irony! A site that mainly does mac stuff running asp and a windows server. (would atleast thought bsd or linux or something non-windows).
way cool! does he have a webpage up about it? It would be cool if more people just picked up and started writing games (or helping for that matter), but the problem is, finding artists for all of the games out there. It seems like artists (generally speaking) aren't as willing to devote some time to a project as coders are (without pay that is).
How does disabling java in your browser more secure? Last I checked Java Applets are in a sandbox and cannot hurt the system.
that seems an awful lot like open source software. So I guess one could say that opensource is the 'next big thing' because one can modify it as much as they want.
I find it a pain to prgoram in environments that aren't message based (such as ObjC/*Step)
er.. make that C++/QT or in my experience Java/Swing
being a Cocoa programmer myself, my guess is, maybe. Once having developed the *step way, I find it a pain to prgoram in environments that aren't message based (such as ObjC/*Step). One thing is for sure though, developing in QT would make your programs look normal in the average linux user's envionment, and would look prettier. Of course the horinztal menu patch could change part of that.
oh man! I wish they had that as well. Would be more like my mac :-)
to get rid of the toolbar up top, Right click on it, add a toolbar to the bottom, then right click on the toolbar up top and click delete toolbar (or something of that nature). Top bar gone :-)
Yea, that would rule if they just made games mainly for consoles. As afaik the PS3 will be running linux, so x86/ppc linux support is only a compile away.
wait..did you just say XFree86 and developing fast in the same sentence? Best laugh I have had all day thanks :-)
Did that a long time ago. Now days we put NetBSD on everything, such as my toaster.
I am one of those that "sells" (not on payroll) Apple, but I also sell other things, such as Linux, Openoffice and Mozilla, and open-standards. I use OS X because I am addicted to Objective-C and the NeXT way of developing (yes, yes I know, GNUstep, but it is a bit cumbersome as of now). Why do I "sell" apple? Because I belive that it provides one of the best user experiences out there. Why do I "sell" linux? Because it is (generaly speaking) more secure than that OS that comes out of Redmond, and depending on the tasks (non power-user) can provide a better experience. As for OpenOffice and Mozilla, people like the idea of using an Office Suite freely and not breaking some copyright laws in the process. As for Mozilla, people like being able to browse with-out pop ups, have built in spam filtering in ther mail, and tabs. In short *I* sell alternatives because without some "grassroots* efforts, nobody would know about them.
Good post. I agree with most/all of it.
So what are you saying, that Apple's Professional Workstations are only now catching up to Dell's Consumer machines? Where is that dual processing consumer dell? Sure it may have an extra GHz (for now), but it still has ide, a cd-rw drive, some usb (maybe not even "Full Speed"),and if you are lucky some decent firewire 400. Now, that sure does sound a lot slower to me, what with them only use ide instead of sata, no superdrive, not even a full range of io ports (firewire400/800/usb2) hell, not even digital audio in/out. All of that and more (64bit etc.) is what seperates a consumer machine from a workstation. If you want to buy a workstation, go right ahead, infact I encourage it. But the fact remains, that workstations are always faster than consumer machines because professionals have and will spend the money to get the fast and stable (hardware stable, not os stable) machine.
umm.. the G5 isn't a consumer machine. It is a professional workstation. Apple's consumer machines are the iBook/eMac/iMac. Pretty much Anything with an X or Power infront of it are professional machines.
maybe that is the marketing campain for desktop linux? "Linux: Making familys better" or something to that effect.
Because English is understood by more Computer Sciense people than Finnish, atleast that is my guess.
I'm not sure if it was so much Adobe as it was Disney and 2 other unnamed companys paying codeweavers lots of money to get Photoshop 7 (was current at the time) running in Crossover Office/Wine.
roadrunner is 3mb/384kbit for residental cable, and you can host whatever you want on it for 45 bucks a month. Sure, your ip is dynamic, but it only changes like once every 6 months - year. Even then, im sure you could get the static ip for a few bucks more each month...
Luckly, you can make a pdf in any app that can print in OS X...so atleast that functionality isn't lost...