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Hack This, Please

Andy Kessler, the author of Wall Street Meat had a recent piece in the WSJ, and now reprinted on his own site. It's a piece about how companies are shifting much more to "hacker" friendly models. It's a particular area of interest for me, as it's something that I've talked about with the folks at BCG for a while.

111 comments

  1. Not smart to sue your customers by AubieTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The hacker hostile business methods of cue:cat and iOpener sure helped those companies... helped them disappear!

    1. Re:Not smart to sue your customers by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you seriously think they disappeared because of hackers? Please. They disappeared because they had lousy ideas. Whether they sued hackers or not was totally irrelevant.

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      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    2. Re:Not smart to sue your customers by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The cue cat just sucked and no one ever actually used it besides hackers (glances at modded one sitting next to case) i don't really know much about the iOpener, but that can probably be blamed on a combination of the hackers and a flawed business model. Really, who would buy an internet terminal. If you give a mouse a cookie and all that. People may think they just want the www, but then they'll want to download music, and then burn cds etc etc, which requires a real computer, which at $400 vs $99 is what really killed the iOpener. Similar situation with the X-Box, but people are actually buying those and not hacking them, still dont know if MS is making up the loss in game sales though.

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    3. Re:Not smart to sue your customers by moresheth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to mention the Cue Cat looked like a penis-on-a-string. Might be a market for that in certain portions of the population, but not really for us geeks.

    4. Re:Not smart to sue your customers by zurab · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The parent didn't say they disappeared "because of" hackers. He said they helped them disappear. The way I see it, you are right - DigitalConvergence had a bad idea, bad business plan, and hackers helped air it out.

      Moreover, if you read the article, the author says:

      Companies should offer easy access to the code, inside their products or the workings of their Web site, and allow customers to hack away. The corporate types might learn a thing or two. ...
      Just open up your wares and your customers will not just show you what they want, but do it for you, too.


      I'm not sure what he's saying about the websites but, in effect, he's suggesting that having your wares closed, trying to have full control over them and trying to forcefully dictate exactly how your own customers use products they bought from you contributes to your products' lousiness. On the other hand, being hacker-friendly has a positive effect not only for gaining popularity and usefulness, but also contributing to valuable market research for your products and their future development.

      So, if you share Andy Kessler's point of view, then even in this way, hackers directly and indirectly contributed to serving DigitalConvergence their fate.

    5. Re:Not smart to sue your customers by thedillybar · · Score: 1
      He's saying the code should be readily accessible.

      Either inside the product or on the company website.

    6. Re:Not smart to sue your customers by JPriest · · Score: 1

      Maybe there could be a use for that, think carfax but different.

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  2. Still not that friendly by Avumede · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dunno where you are getting this. These models still don't give me the time of day! Even after I tell them I'm a hacker! They just stand there looking all aloof and beautiful. Maybe I just haven't run into the new kind yet.

    1. Re:Still not that friendly by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Loads of money is wasted on market research to define products that large numbers of people want. But consumers are not monolithic clones.

      I think this needs some elaboration.
      FNG consumers are monolithic clones. The fact that AOL and MS have been highly successful shows the wisdom of this.
      However, consumers do not stay monolithic clones. As they progress through the learning curve, the will try new stuff.
      The better user interfaces realize that the user has a learning curve, and offer copious hand-holding at the low end, and get they booty out of the way once you're a keyboard shortcutting, script writing, email integrating tough guy.
      Like !me.
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    2. Re:Still not that friendly by bluewee · · Score: 0
      No, Microsoft has been sucessful because they ARE highly hacker friendly, note that hackers, worms, and viruses, all are able to get in.

      on a more serious note, you can hack MS products, to make it look like any other product, I have heard even of people being able to make it look like MacOS.

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  3. M$ ? by bmiller949 · · Score: 0, Funny

    Is this how M$ develops their product?

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    1. Re:M$ ? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Yep goes like this 1)create product 2)clean out some bugs 3)force customer to buy it 4)hackers trash customer's computers 5)force customer to upgrade 6)profit 7)???? 8)world domination

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      i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
    2. Re:M$ ? by MsGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, more like:

      1.) Scout out new and promising products created by indie programmers;
      2.) Buy them, lock stock and barrel, for as cheap a price as you can get away with;
      3.) Mod the software just enough to break compatibility with anything other than the Latest and Greatest Windows Product;
      4.) Release the marketing hounds;
      5.) Get Microsoft-friendly press types to bray about how "innovative" the product is and why you should run out and buy it;
      6.) Profit!

      Everything from MS-DOS to Front Page, Visio, Halo and VirtualPC have been bought and corrupted this way. It's the Microsoft way. They do not "innovate" in-house. They need other people to do their "innovating" for them. :P

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    3. Re:M$ ? by DrDebug · · Score: 2, Funny

      You left out several pieces:

      -- Don't get it completely right until the third version; but let the customer pay for your development alpha and beta releases.

      -- Wrap the code in an air- and watertight EULA that is enforced by half the lawyers in the state of Washington (all under retainer to MicroSoft).

      -- Undermine, buy, or crush any other company that has a product that slightly smells of your precious product (even it it IS better).

      Yep. That looks like their recipe for success.

  4. In summary.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    he preliminary results of the BCG/OSDN survey reveal that:

    * Participants note extremely high levels of creativity in their projects.
    * Having fun, enhancing skills, access to source code and user needs drive contributions to the Open Source community. Defeating proprietary software companies is not a major motivator.
    * The Open Source community is truly global in composition with respondents coming from 35 countries.
    * Most participants dedicated at least 10 hours per week in their shared programming efforts
    * Contrary to popular belief about hackers, the open source community is mostly comprised of highly skilled IT professionals who have on average over 10 years of programming experience.

  5. Why are not business by Fisher99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    more like software dev models. You know, feasibility, plan, design, make, test, support etc.

    1. Re:Why are not business by The+Unabageler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      where do you think those models came from? business has been around a lot longer than computers...

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  6. Sheesh by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That piece is very foolish. The point he misses is that GEEKS DON'T MATTER. It doesn't matter that he likes hackable stuff; he's only one sale. It doesn't matter what books O'Reilly sells, because O'Reilly is barely a blip in the publishing world. What matters is what the masses want, and the masses typically want stuff that "just works" with a minimum of hassle. They don't care about extreme customization.

    I recall one of Steve Jobs' big failures. He created an "ultimate remote control" that did everything but get your beer for you. It was a massive failure. Why? Too complicated. People didn't want an infinitely programmable remote control.

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    1. Re:Sheesh by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      Those sort of remotes seem to be doing better now, with crazy home theatre setups people have now a days standard universal remotes dont cover it. I have a 'standard' universal remote, and it cant turn on the reciever or set the clock on the vcr, or program or delete a channel from the tv. As usual Jobs was before his time. I remember looking around christmas time, basically you can get a truly universal remote for about $100, the top is a touchscreen lcd (only grayscale iirc) and you can download and load in complete programing for a specific remote, or teach it, not just a few buttons, but every button on an existing remote. I'm still considering getting one, probably when i get my new reciever. Might be a better idea (and cheaper) to just get a palm pilot, but i assume the remote has better battery life.

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    2. Re:Sheesh by Peridyd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With all due respect, it's you that missed the point. The piece is actually arguing that hacking should be incorporated into product lifecycle process. It's not arguing that products need to be so pliant that the "painted footprints on the floor" crowd can't use them, but rather that companies embrace the fact that some of their consumers will hack their products and that some of those hacks will be better than the original.

    3. Re:Sheesh by Felinoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I recall one of Steve Jobs' big failures. He created an "ultimate remote control" that did everything but get your beer for you. It was a massive failure. Why? Too complicated. People didn't want an infinitely programmable remote control.

      Unless your talking about the Newton I never heard of it...
      And considering I knew about the Amiga, Atari ST and Zoomer all who died for stupid or non-existant marketting I'd say this 'Ultimate remote control' died for the fact that nobody knew it existed.

      The point he misses is that GEEKS DON'T MATTER.
      When Apple introduced the Macintosh they frighted the geeks away with the slogen "For the rest of us" this held the Macintosh back a tad as there were fewer develupers than there should be.
      Don't get me wrong the Macintosh is VERY geek friendly BUT Apple did create the impression it was not by mistake.

      However the Macintoshes early days is a dual object lesson. The Mac was successful in spite of a lack of software.

      The Geek AND typical user matter. If you must pick one over the other pick the typical user any day. But every chance you get support both.

      The original Real Player was always available for Mac, Solarus, Linux and BSD as well as Windows untill version 5 when popularity slipped down the rabbit hole and vanished.
      This to spite the fact that Windows alone represented about 75% to 90% of the market at the time.

      The problem was that enough content was created on Sparcs, Linux and Macs that Real Networks suffered from the loss of content.

      What matters is what the masses want, and the masses typically want stuff that "just works" with a minimum of hassle. They don't care about extreme customization.

      Very true however remember that all the technology are basicly content systems be it game consoles, computers, web browsers and media players.
      The geeks make the content.....

      The typical user isn't going to write his own programs.

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    4. Re:Sheesh by Tony-A · · Score: 3, Informative

      The point he misses is that GEEKS DON'T MATTER.

      WRONG!
      The effects are small and subtle, but persistent. There is a difference between something that is worth hacking (to the hackers) and something that is more trouble than it's worth (to the hackers). You don't make money (directly) from the hackers. You gain from reputation and sales to the masses. A lot of things "just working" comes from hackers messing with the stuff. The hackers function somewhat as R&D, but they are working at their own pace for their own interests. It costs very little to make stuff "hacker-friendly" and sometimes you gain a lot more than you spend.

    5. Re:Sheesh by ad0gg · · Score: 1
      WRONG!

      Yawn, didn't slashdot predict that ipod mini's weren't gonna sell. From what i head they are sold out. Geeks don't matter plain and simple. Why market to 0.001% of the population, when marketing to grandmother and mom is 30% of the population. My mom doesn't care that her cell phone can be hacked up neither does my dad, my aunt, my uncle, my sister.

      Not mention when you start allowing people to hack with things, they start breaking things. Which costs money to support. Prime example is chipping your car. Over boost the super and blow it and the car is under warranty. The car company is gonna have to pay. I know people who've done that, just remove the chip before taking it into servicing.

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    6. Re:Sheesh by zurab · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It looks like you read the article, but still you are making points that the author already considered or didn't even make.

      The point he misses is that GEEKS DON'T MATTER.

      Except that he never said geeks mattered, but they only serve the purpose for "mass-customizable" products. Quote from the article:

      There is a new breed of users out there, computer-literate consumers who don't think twice about altering the look, feel and functionality of a product. Those billions of embedded computers have turned business on its head. The Henry Ford school of 'one size fits all' or the Colgate school of 40 choices of toothpaste are now both obsolete. Give us one size that we can alter how we wish.

      What matters is what the masses want, and the masses typically want stuff that "just works" with a minimum of hassle. They don't care about extreme customization.

      This is what he calls "mass customization." Allowing 3rd parties - not only geeks but more importantly other companies - "hack" your products will contribute to your product's popularity and provide valuable market research as well. It will tell you how your customers want to use your products.

      I recall one of Steve Jobs' big failures. He created an "ultimate remote control" that did everything but get your beer for you. It was a massive failure. Why? Too complicated. People didn't want an infinitely programmable remote control.

      Again, this is not the author's point. There's nothing preventing a product to "just work" AND be "hackable" at the same time. He gives you examples like TiVo and other products that are either already using this method or should be seriously considering it like cell phones, automobiles, etc.

      IOW, re-read the article with an open mind. I think he does make some valid points.
    7. Re:Sheesh by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      ...did everything but get your beer for you.

      Now, see? That was the problem. It didn't get your beer and open it for you. :-)

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    8. Re:Sheesh by miu · · Score: 1
      Don't get me wrong the Macintosh is VERY geek friendly BUT Apple did create the impression it was not by mistake.

      Older versions of the mac hardware and software were not even close to hacker friendly.

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    9. Re:Sheesh by bbsguru · · Score: 1
      You're right, and you're wrong.

      While the 'market share' hackers and geeks account for is small, the 'innovation share' is huge. The hackers are the ones who push technologies into new areas, who ask the ever important "what if" questions about the use of a new tool, or substance, or discovery.

      We are all descendants of the alpha hacker. The guy who decided to taste the meat that had been in the fire.

      Somebody has to figure out the best way to use this stuff, and too few companies pay engineers to play.

    10. Re:Sheesh by Ardillo · · Score: 1

      The piece makes some very interesting points, namely that indiviuals are beginning to be heard when it comes to contributing to development of commercial technological applications. The curve is slow, true. But it has started to become more and more prevalent in the public eye with Linux and the uproar for open source release for the Windows OS. Websites are becoming more interactive, various hack books are being published, and hell, even slashdot comments are taken seriously on occasion! The most effective hacks that will be taken seriously in the future though will be the ones that are least visible or intrusive, but make life easier to navigate through the technological jungle. Steve Jobs created the "ultimate remote control," but he also popularized the Apple, for the very reason that it is simple to use. And that's where corporate interest will be focused- on hacking that smooths out the confusion and eases the techno-illiterates through high tech stuff.

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  7. SCO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "how companies are shifting much more to "hacker" friendly models"

    Hacker friendly models... didn't read the article, but I guess they're migrating to SCO software?

  8. A little behind the times by signe · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Every business can and should hire a hack and set him loose on their stuff..."

    It seems to me, most companies already have one. The usual title is CEO.

    -Todd

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  9. They're wrong... by robslimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    in implying the the customers at large wish to hack products. We (yes, I'm including myself) are a minority, though numerous.

    Where the average customer can win is through the end products of hacking. Third party ring tones and games, etc for cell phones are passe now. So are "performance chips" for engine control modules. Third party hacks and add-ons for other embedded systems, like PVRs are here or on the way. In one way or another, all of these are the result of 'hacking' and have direct benefit for the non-hackers.

    1. Re:They're wrong... by enrico_suave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      well... there is a certain truth to that (hackers aren't the majority) HOWEVER there is a benefit in the form of INNOVATION when a company "opens" up a bit/becomes hacker friendly/shares information with the user/developer commmunity.

      Maybe your mom doesn't want to mod her "whatever" but she may want to buy the next generation of "whatever 2.0" that was inspired by a hackers mod/idea...

      furthermore... a hack the first time is difficult, but eventually the "mod" can become simple and the "normal" to "normal but technically inclined" person can perform them e.g. x-box mod chips are "simple" now and don't require any intricate soldering or know how... (probably not the best example ---> but one the /. crowd probably gets)

      *shrug* bottom line it's about innovation... and finding new uses for products the stodgy business thinktanks didn't think of. by being open in stead of hording their info they can foster a whole team of "Free" innovators to r & d new applications.

      e.

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    2. Re:They're wrong... by Nakito · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They are also wrong when they say that there are companies that truly want users to hack their mass-market electronic products. Here is the killer counter-argument:

      Name one manufacturer of a mass-market electronic product (including the Roomba described in the article) that will not instantly void your product warranty for doing the things described in this article.

    3. Re:They're wrong... by jarich · · Score: 1
      Also, don't rule out the influence factor. We drive more sales than most people realize.

      As geeks, we are usually the early adoptors for any new technology. If it's hackable, we are more likely to buy it, so it looks better to the bean counters in accounting. Early sales are a great indicator of product potential. Also, during the last couple of boom years, we had the $$ to spend on the toys as well.

      Secondly, who do our are friends and family ask advice from about what they should buy? Us!

      And never ever forget the mighty Slashdot effect! Who's going to post a review here (and drive sales) if the device doesn't have a Linux kernel and can't be hacked! :)

    4. Re:They're wrong... by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      in implying the the customers at large wish to hack products.

      It's not that we (I'd count myself as more in the non-hacking community) want to hack it ourselves. We want you to hack it so we eventually get to see the benefits, without even going to any trouble!

      Something that is non-hackable is pretty much a dead end.

    5. Re:They're wrong... by HarryCaul · · Score: 1

      And why wouldn't companies want you to void your warranty?

      Then they spend less supporting you.

    6. Re:They're wrong... by thedillybar · · Score: 1
      Third party ring tones and games, etc for cell phones are passe now. So are "performance chips" for engine control modules.

      Until a trojan leans the mixture out at 100% throttle and 2 minutes later you have a dead engine...A lot of these "performance chips" decrease engine life (substantially) already. Putting the fuel injector tables in the hands of customers will do a little to help the guys who know what they're doing...and a lot to help the automobile service industry.

      Cell phones maybe not as bad. But I do foresee a virus that makes everyone's phone ring at the same time. Wouldn't that be interesting.

    7. Re:They're wrong... by JohnGalt00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of the time, voiding the warranty makes perfect sense when you're talking about hacking.

      Lets say I take apart my TiVo/Roomba whatever, put it back together, and it doesn't work right. If it was working before I took it apart, and it doesn't work when I put it back together, how can the company honor a warranty? They have absolutely no assurance that you didnt fsck something up while you were poking around. Do you really expect them to say, "You were hacking, so it's okay you broke it. we'll send you a replacement."

      Voiding the warrant makes sense, regardless of their position on hacking.

    8. Re:They're wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the first things I have always done when I get a new toy is open it up to see what makes it go and maybe make it work more like I want it to work. I fully expect the warranty to be voided when I take it apart. Luckily over time I got better at putting stuff back together and learned to wait a little while after getting something before I opened it up, just to make sure that it works before I void the warranty. I would guess that the warranty for almost everything I have has been voided because I opened the case. Just this morning I took apart a brand new coffee maker so that I could cut the wire going to the warmer -- I HATE those stupid little coffee warmer plates. Yeah, I have messed up a few times by opening things up, so what?

  10. Hacking is bad by pholower · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is how many companies see the word hacker. Ill things come to mind. They think of all the money they spend to prevent hackers from altering anything in the company. There are a few companies that put hacks in on purpose, but these companies are, as I said, few and far between. With all of the people now that use computers, it seems only an inevitablilty. Open Source programs are the ultimate hack. You can change anything on it you like, and the best part is, it is legal to do so under the GPL. We need more companies that cherish the GPL. I mean, there are plenty of companies that have survived, and profited greatly off of these designs. Red Hat, need I say more? If the initial product is good, they will make their money.

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    1. Re:Hacking is bad by thedillybar · · Score: 1
      They see them this way because they don't understand the word.

      They don't actually think that people who customize software by modifying the code are bad...

    2. Re:Hacking is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Hat is a greatly profitable company? Better stop smoking that crack pipe!

  11. My toaster by kir · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hacked my toaster to only burn the toast. It's not *exactly* what I wanted, but I did it ALLLL by myself.

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  12. hackable by elh_inny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Instead of simply configuring your PC to suit your needs, you buy some exotic pieces of hardware to do the very same tasks but the hard way.

    While I don't mind versatility, things should not be sold to do something different from what they were designed for.

    1. Re:hackable by mcocke · · Score: 1

      Then how about modifying a product to do what it should have been designed to do? Real simple example - why don't window mounted air conditioners have REAL thermostats that you can set to a temperature in degrees? Mine does - I built it. But if the original manufacturer had been just a little forward thinking I could have done it with 3 inexpensive components rather than 20 more expensive ones. And why don't the manufacturers do it right in the first place?

    2. Re:hackable by elh_inny · · Score: 1

      That's my point, after all why should the consumer be responsible for the product, it should be sold working with no need for hacing whatsoever.

    3. Re:hackable by mcocke · · Score: 1

      In a perfect world, you'd be absolutely correct - but I certainly don't expect some poor underpaid taiwanese engineer to understand what I want. Let me be completely serious for a moment (although it's not going to sound like it). We all know that intelligent people are in the minority. Any doubts about that can be resolved by watching television. So, realistically, our best hope is for the manufacturers who have to appeal to the "morass market" to leave us an opening.

  13. Archos MP3 Player by elinenbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Rockbox software (http://rockbox.haxx.se)

    has incorporated some nifty things that the company, Archos seemed to have left out

    Currently, it can:
    -play movies on it's screen
    -alter the playing speed of MP3s
    -use bookmarks, different fonts, and more
    -and just recently there are "voice fonts" where the entire menu system is read back to you. There are a decent number of blind rockbox users, and this makes it the only mp3 player they can use. Ever see a blind person use an ipod? This customization alone is something that most blind people would pay upwards of 10-20x the cost of a device to be implemented!

    And with Amazon selling the 20GB USB2.0 recorders for $79 after a rebate I don't know where you can get a better deal!

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    -eric
    1. Re:Archos MP3 Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL
      But a blind person only to listen to the song, and can then determine if it is the right song he want's to hear.
      If it is not he presses next...
      I call parent post a troll, which also have falsified information on the pricing.
      My best guess is he is an Archos employee

    2. Re:Archos MP3 Player by elinenbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      please check out fatwallet.com for relevent information. No, I do not work for Archos, I am a member of the rockbox team, and do not call me a liar.

      http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php? ca tid=18&threadid=277635&highlight_key=y&keyword1=ar chos

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    3. Re:Archos MP3 Player by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      Wow, hi-five for your excellent work. I have the studio 20 model and rockbox has made it work amazingly, i even get better battery life. Only issue i've had is anything past v1.4 actually playing a song without the unit freezing. I dont mind though, i load v2.x to make playlists when i rip new cds then go back to 1.4 so its not a big deal. Again, myself, and i'm sure archos owners everywhere, thank you.

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    4. Re:Archos MP3 Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  14. this is nothing new by newsdee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The last line of the article summarizes it all with one line: "mass customization". It's the next step after mass consumption, with the added benefit that the buyer is in control of getting a truly unique product.

    The article explores a way to achieve this through software, but there are many more ways to pull it off. For example, a sport shoes company has a corporate website in which you order a customized pair of sneakers, allowing you to change a lot of details (there are more than 8 colors in 10 items, IIRC, plus other items with fewer choices).

    The old idea (mass consumption) was that you buy whatever fits your lifestyle, that you could really define yourself through buying a different mix of products from different brands. The new idea (customization) is that you keep the same brand but you adapt it to your lifestyle. The advantage (for the company) is that you don't need to look for another brand if you don't like such and such feature, and (for you) that you have a more unique product.

    Though as several companies start having it, customization won't guarantee success either. It will probably become necessary but clearly not sufficient. You will always see a real-life version of "attack of the clones" when teenage girls roam the mall in packs clothed exactly the same (who probably won't use customization as much). And you will always see "open-architecture" platforms fail miserably (e.g. 3DO).

    I would venture that this is a good thing after all, because it gives the control back to the buyer. If you really want to be different, you have to do a bit of thinking and research yourself, instead of relying on what the company tells you is new/hip/unique but sells in thousands.

  15. Ownership vs. Usage by dozek · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I heard Dr. Ed Felton from Princeton lecture on this very idea...that we are used to purchasing a product and owning it. If that means we want to take a screwdriver, dismantle our toaster and find out how it works, then that is the right of ownership. However, he continued, with more technical products (ranging from commercial software to embedded components) we do not get ownership, rather a license agreement. Thus, we lose the "right to tinker" and subsequently improve products as we see fit.

    He referenced several lawsuits involving this idea...one in particular regarding aftermarket garage door openers.

    I've always asked the question "Why can't I change how long the snooze button silences the alarm?" My clock has a 9 minute snooze...but what if I just want 6 minutes? I'd have to keep buying clocks and find the right one through trial and error. I'd be totally willing to pay more for a clock with a variable snooze.

    1. Re:Ownership vs. Usage by bitflip · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This might interest you: "Why does the alarm clock snooze button give you nine extra minutes, not ten," from The Straight Dope.

    2. Re: Ownership vs. Usage by gidds · · Score: 1
      Variable snooze doesn't even need customisation, though! Alarms on the Psion Series 5, for example, can be snoozed for any length of time by pressing the 'Snooze' button several times -- it adds 5 minutes for each press, up to a maximum of 60.

      How hard would that be to implement? You could even make it multiples of 9 minutes, so that the traditional use wouldn't change, and people who weren't interested in variable snooze wouldn't even have to know about it...

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    3. Re:Ownership vs. Usage by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      we do not get ownership, rather a license agreement

      That's what the commercial software industry would like you to think, but it simply isn't true.

      If you go and buy a commercial program, you give money and get the software. For all intents and purposes you now own a copy of a copyrighted work. There were no contracts or agreements. They can try and spring one on you after the fact, but it doesn't matter... you already own a copy. You don't have to agree to anything to use something you already own.

  16. Sounds good to me. by dealsites · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have the Linksys WRT54g. There are currently 3 groups creating custom firmware. The fixes and features are rolled out quite a lot faster than Linksys provides. I feel that I have one of the most powerful wireless routers on the market for around $80 now. The bandwidth management and remote VPN features are sweet. Linksys would have never implemented that.

    I always wondered why a few engineers don't create an open source hardware solution. I imaging a wireless router isn't more than a few chips laid down on a board. A group should get together and create an open-source hardware platform and then sell it at a slight margin to make up the manufacturing costs. Then let the software gurus continue to add features. Just make sure that the unit has enough ram and MIPS to process future functions. I'm not sure of the BOM cost for a wireless router, but I'm sure it's pretty cheap. An open source hardware router could probably sell for $20 when massed produced. There are 802.11b routers selling that cheap now.

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    1. Re:Sounds good to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what are the groups? I tried google unsuccessfully. Could you please put them here?

    2. Re:Sounds good to me. by CCat · · Score: 1

      My google search found a number of results, including Linux on the WRT54G and a result from broadband reports.

  17. Sheesh indeed! by despik · · Score: 5, Informative
    Jesus F. Christ, not Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, better known as Woz. In his own words:
    My company was CL9 and we built the CORE universal remote control. This was before the simple idea of preprogramming all the codes used by the common companies was done. My device looked at the IR signal and analyzed it and recreated it. It also had to determine if certain codes needed to be emitted more than once to work. My device had 16 user buttons and a few more control buttons. They were all large and finger sized. You could put the CORE into one of 16 keyboards, so you really had 256 total keys to use. Any key could have a sequence of any of the other keys and any IR codes that you read in. So a single key could turn on the TV, then turn on the VCR, then select channel 4, etc. More than that, the 'sequence' attached to a key could access all the control buttons. The lessor used control buttons were covered by a slider to keep things looking simpler. This remote control kept it's own time and could emit IR signals at certain times. You could hit "AT-5-PM-6" (4 buttons total) to execute button 6 at 5 PM. Even the buttons that programmed the main user buttons could be included in a program. Thus button 1 could reprogram button 2, etc. This allowed a simple level of programming without normal program loops. You could program the remote control to skip daylight savings time with a sequence like "AT-2-AM-Set-Hour up" (5 buttons). I was able to create a program that would keep daylight savings time going up and down on the right days forever, including leap years, but it was quite an effort and required a lot of keys to hold current states.
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    1. Re:Sheesh indeed! by sploxx · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think this paragraph proves this. Would anyone except /.ers really read it to the end?! :)

    2. Re:Sheesh indeed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is very similar to eg Cambridge M1 or Philips Pronto remote control. they can learn
      IR tranmissions and then send them natively...they also have macro key functions... one button on my M1+ and i can turn off all my
      TV or HiFi stack...and no, thats not using an IR powerplug relay! ;-)

  18. Rabid Fan Base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that encouraging the "hacking" of your products, or not actively discouraging, helps to develop very dedicated fans (see Tivo). It also give people who have the desire and skills to modify the equipment a greater sense of ownership and/or control of THIER device. As a side benfit it allows a company to effectively outsource a portion of the R&D effort to actual customers. A nice cheap way to find out what people want. If they then incorperate these hacks into future models the the "I want it to just work crowd" can benfit too.

  19. Consumer rights by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Shouldnt we have laws protecting people who want to modify something they own? Aslong as theres no danger to other people (eg screwing up your cars breaking system), you should be allowed to do what ever the hell you want with your property. Insead we get laws like the DMCA which companies now use on a daily basis to sue people for pretty much anything from making an adaptor cable to spray painting their PS2 silver. I think the mandate should be: "sell us what we want, or we will go and buy it from china"

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    1. Re:Consumer rights by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      Shouldnt we have laws protecting people who want to modify something they own?

      I'm a little concerned that we have come to the point where anyone has to consider a law to specifically allow me to do whatever I want to something I own.
      (as long as it's not directly harming anyone else - the old "your right to swing your arm stops at my nose" thing)

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    2. Re:Consumer rights by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Its really a case of unionisation: there are two groups - the corporations and the consumers, which ever one bands together the most wins - if the consumers take a stance and all with one voice say "hey fuck you" then the corporations have to listen, otherwise they will loose their customers to someone who will. On the other hand, if the corporations band together and say "hey lets all sell our products under strict EULAs" then the consumer is screwed unless they can get the product somewhere else (like china). So you see, we have to say a big fuck you to corporations who dont listen, and then buy DVD players from china, understand?

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  20. What else are we missing? by SilentJ_PDX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love my iPod, but the most frustrating thing about it is what it could do if Apple allowed people to hack them. For instance, thanks to all the mix CDs and compilations I own, I have over 1700 unique artists in my MP3 collection. Of those, only about 500 have more than one song and only 300 artists have more than 3-4 songs. On the iPod, that means I have to scroll through 4 one-track artists for each of the artists that I own an entire album of. It would be great to have a second "Popular Artist" list that would only show the artists that have more than 3-4 tracks. For a coder, something like that would be easy to write. But because Apple doesn't allow iPod hacking, I'll probably never see that feature. How many other great features are our mp3 players, DVD players, microwaves, automobiles, etc missing becuase people can't hack them? I think one could apply the same argument to Microsoft: what nifty OS features aren't we seeing becuase the only vision of OS we see is the MS vision?

    1. Re:What else are we missing? by Desirsar · · Score: 1

      I think the first thing we'd see people doing is hacking in a cheaper and more convenient battery - at least before changing the interface. I myself would add a Mr. Fusion...

    2. Re:What else are we missing? by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 1

      Find out for yourself...

      http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/d efault.asp

      MS developers will post some stuff to download.com sometimes too...

      -B

    3. Re:What else are we missing? by John+Newman · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. It would be great to have a toggle to show only Artists with complete albums, or only Albums that are complete, in those lists. Actually, it would be even better to be able to make heirachical playlists: a meta-playlist with a group of sub-playlists, or even sub-sub-playlists. Then, for example, you could have your "80s" playlist, containing a bunch of mix playlists and complete artist/album playlists.

      My wish is that I could program a button chord to toggle through the shuffling options. I always shufle my playlists, but never albums - so everything I switch from one to another, I have to navigate back to the root menu to change shuffle. It would be great to hold down "menu + play" for a few seconds instead.

  21. I Definitely Agree by Futaris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd have to agree with this guy. There are a lot of people out there that want to hack things to worth the way they want them too. And with education levels of everyone rising, it will only be a matter of time before the younger generations want to modify things. Take for example, the mobile phone, which five or ten years ago was just a phone. Most of the younger generation likes to modify and change their mobile.

  22. Bad Idea by CreatureComfort · · Score: 5, Insightful


    The biggest problem with this idea is that allowing your product to be easily changed by the end user is a recipe for technical support disaster. That's why every branded PC you buy these days doesn't just come with a disk to reinstall the OS, it comes with a "System Restore" CD. So that when you call Dell, HP, Gateway, eMachine, etc. with a problem, they walk you through the few simple things to determine if it is a hardware or software problem. As soon as they feel they can eliminate a hardware failure, the next suggestion is use the restore CD, simply because they can't afford to spend the time trying to figure out what you did to your PC to mess it up.

    If your toaster becomes deliberately (by the manufacturer) "hackable" then they can no longer have those big warnings that tinkering with the device voids the warranty, and they will also have to hire a massive support group to get all those messed up toasters working again.

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    1. Re:Bad Idea by JayBlalock · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If your toaster becomes deliberately (by the manufacturer) "hackable" then they can no longer have those big warnings that tinkering with the device voids the warranty,

      Um... no. It's not like this article was literally talking about slapping a "hack me please!" sticker on the box. It's talking about things like not going out of your way to sue\harass people who DO hack the product and talk about it. Or, from an engineering standpoint, not attempting to lock every component behind locks and doors to keep people from tinkering.

      It's still quite possible to keep the same basic policies about not supporting modified hardware, without having to go on a Microsoft-like rampage against those who hack. Just look at the whole story of Lego Mindstorm vs LegOS. In the end, all they did was ask the creator of LegOS to change the name of the product and make it more clear it wasn't official.

      As I see it, it's just like cars. No one - well, no one but the spectacularly stupid - is going to, say, install a nitro system in their car and then expect the engine warranty to be valid when they blow it up. I would wager *most* people understand that at the point they open something up and start mechanically altering it, they know that they're not going to get official support.

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    2. Re:Bad Idea by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      But beyond support, is the problem of liability. Unfortunately there is ample history of people in the U.S. using products in ways they were not intended and then sueing the manufacturer for "letting them" hurt themselves. When we have product warnings already about not sticking your head inside a Gamecube console, about not eating the silicon drying agent, etc., etc., etc.... I can't see companies making it any easier to "modify" thier products.

      Just ask Wonko the Sane....

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  23. To the contrary by Nakito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Companies have a much stronger interest in preventing, not encouraging, end-user modification of their products. This is because they want to charge you for extra features and upgrades. Consider one of the most obvious and prevalent examples of computer hardware hacking (which the authors failed to mention although I am sure it was in their minds): CPU overclocking. Intel has no interest in making it easy for you to buy one of their inexpensive CPUs and making it run like one of their premium CPUs with no benefit to them. To the contrary, their entire pricing model is based on charging you extra for those capabilities.

    Yes, there is the occasional product that gains geek cult status because the manufacturer encourages end-user hacking (e.g., Lego Mindstorms). But those products are already aimed at that particular segment of the market. Makers of mass-market electronics, on the other hand, have no interest in letting you upgrade their products when they would much rather sell you the upgrade.

    1. Re:To the contrary by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Mindstorms was conceived and marketed for kids. Lego was quite surprised that they ended up selling so many of them, and that so many of the buyers ended up being men in their 20s buying for themselves. (No, I don't have a cite.)

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    2. Re:To the contrary by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      To the contrary, their entire pricing model is based on charging you extra for those capabilities.

      Companies work better when everything follows the same normal flow. It's a "Special orders do upset us" kind of thing. You can make a few bucks (very few) at a large cost to the company's sense of direction and identity. Hackers are a very useful market, particularly if you are willing to run it at a slight loss. There is no way you will make a lot of money from hackers. They don't have all that much to spend and they are very clever at not spending it. You make the money selling to the masses who aren't willing to spend the time and trouble that the hackers are willing to spend.

  24. Making money from it by nenya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are two primary reasons that are holding back major corporations from opening their goods to hackign. The first is liability, the second is money.

    Concerning liability, companies are rightly paralyzed with fear that they could be held responsible for making a product that can be modified to do illegal and/or unpleasant things. Take, for example, the TiVo situation. Just because they took out the ad-skipping feature by default, doesn't mean that they cannot theoretically be held responsible for allowing their product to be hacked in such a way to put the feature back in. And hacking cars is even more legally dangerous. In short: while corporations ensure that their goods meet the requirements of current legal code, there is no way to ensure that a hacked product will still be in compliance. It is highly likely that corporations can be held liable for this.

    Second: corporations exist to make money. The reason that most companies don't want their product to be hacked is that they don't want you to find that feature for yourself, they want to find it first and sell it to you. If you add a feature they didn't sell you, they lose. There is a way around this, fortunately, and Apple has already taken it. Simply reserve the right to include and market any hacks that consumers come up with. But finding the hacks that would have market value is hard enough: finding the hacks with market value that are legal is even harder.

    1. Re:Making money from it by zhenlin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Concerning liability, companies are rightly paralyzed with fear that they could be held responsible for making a product that can be modified to do illegal and/or unpleasant things.

      Pah. Without modification, I can use knives intended to carve food to kill others instead.

  25. I hacked my underwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    For some reason there was no hole at the front, so a cut a hole... just now I relized that they must be girls underwear!

  26. Although I think racing is a waste of resources... by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Racing *was*, and occasionally *is still* a major source for automotive innvations to control a car at high speed. Hacks like this are the modern equivalent for non-racing items. Play with it break it, see if you can make it better.

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  27. WSJ Articles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know how to view online WSJ articles without have a subscription?

    TIA!

  28. url for $79 archos? by jasonhamilton · · Score: 1

    The 20 gig usb2 archos shows a $210 price

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  29. Umm by ad0gg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it was bad business decissions that made them go broke. Had nothing to do whether or not they allowed people to hack their products. Giving away free hardware and trying to sell a subscription service is plain stupid. If they allowed people to hack their product, people wouldn't have bought service.

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  30. like open source by CoolMoDee · · Score: 1

    that seems an awful lot like open source software. So I guess one could say that opensource is the 'next big thing' because one can modify it as much as they want.

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  31. Re:Although I think racing is a waste of resources by JayBlalock · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Exactly. I don't see why people (companies, consumers, Senators, etc) don't understand that hacking\modding an X-Box is effectively NO different than modding a car. It baffles me when, on one hand, Congress keeps passing laws to protect small garages and prevent auto manufacturers from locking down hoods, and simultaneously on the other, they pass restrictive laws to prevent any consumer from ever so much as thinking about modifying a piece of electronics.

    Well, not ENTIRELY baffled. It's about stupidity and money. But in principle I'm baffled.

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  32. Re:You missed one by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

    Regardless how it looks, it works nicely. A barcode scanner for the price you can't beat!

  33. Hack your TiVo! by jkeegan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seems like a good place for a plug. :)

    Hacking TiVo: The Expansion, Enhancement, and Development Starter Kit, available for $20.99 at amazon.com.

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  34. Citroen C2 in europe has this philosophy by rapiddescent · · Score: 3, Informative
    Citroen (a french car manufacturer) recently updated its small hatchback range, the Saxo. The Saxo was designed to be a small affordable car for teenagers and mums - however, quite unexpectantly, the fast and furious cruise crowd who modify cars really liked the cars adaptable engine and so it became, especially the VTR model - very popular.

    So much so, the new replacement for the Saxo, the Citroen C2 GT has been designed so that enthusiasts can modify the car (and keep the warranty). there has even been talk of owners being able to share ECU maps and so on to have different performance characteristics. It is not a WRX fast car - but has been designed for the high-risk-insurance youngsters who want to modify their vehicle. It looks like some big consumer goods companies are beginning to look this way and let the end user tinker with the original format to make something unique and match the end users requirements.

    rapiddescent (who owns a modified WRX turbo)

  35. Re:MOD ASSHOLE DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to anonymously double the pleasure.

  36. How is Apple stopping iPod hacking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're confusing hacking with supporting developers. The iPod has little or no hacking prevention in it.

    I agree with you about the single-song artist problem. Drives me nuts. My brose by artist list is useless.

  37. Re:Although I think racing is a waste of resources by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

    I don't see why people (companies, consumers, Senators, etc) don't understand that hacking\modding an X-Box is effectively NO different than modding a car.

    Okay, heres one reason it is different, you can go from there.

    A modded X-Box isn't a whole lot more likely to go beserk and crash into people at 50 MPH with a ton of inertia behind it than a non-modded X-Box.

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  38. Hackability always good ? by neurocutie · · Score: 1
    I'm all for companies making their products more "hackable" and all that this additional empowerment of the consumer that it implies. But as usual, with empowerment, there is a downside as well as an upside. The article just touches upon it when it refers to the issue of liabilities.

    I remember a Law and Order episode where a gun manufacturer purposely designed their product, a legal, single-fire gun to be hackable. A minor hack, which they did not sell or acknowledge, but which was described on a third-party website and even available as a kit from a third-party, turned this gun into an illegal automatic machine gun. Naturally the episode was about how a perp bought the legal gun, did the hack and took out a whole office (then committed suicide). So just where does the responsibility lie when a hack can be used for bad as well as good and how much is it a company's responsibility to foresee all the possible bad uses for hacks to their products ?

  39. Flexibility in websites. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    I thought part of his point about websites is that they should allow customization by users and make it easy for third-party tools and websites to interact. Examples might be user-selected stylesheets, RDF feeds, XML-RPC interfaces, and even just simply making it easy for Joe Schmoo to create a deep link from his site into yours.

    Pretty common practice on Slashdot, Freshmeat, etc but sadly many mainstream sites aren't as flexible.

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  40. This is the "personal computer" all over again! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    Just think about it: A personal computer is not a box that exists to DO something. It's a box that exists purely to be customized to do whatever the user wants.

    Look how THAT caught on.

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  41. Hackability is common. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    Removable faceplates on many products.. such as cell phones. This was done to allow easy hacking of the products look. Ring tones, downloadable games, etc were all done so normal customers could hack their cellphones without needing to be hacker gods. Get an N-Gage. They actively encourage writing of new programs for the unit and sharing them.

    That's exactly the kind of consumer friendly hacking the article was talking about.

    Or we could get to the all time favorite hackable consumer electronic device.. the PC. Hell no, nobody has one of those things. They must be a fad. Hackability is exactly why the PC market has done so well. Would you buy a PC you couldn't put your choice of software on?

    Or outside of electronics.. the car. Look how popular car mods are? Or even homes. Would you buy a home you couldn't make changes to?

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  42. Hackable Warranty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a bit of a problem. Do you allow warranty if a product has been hacked?

    The personal computer falls in this catagory as it is hackable by design, yet the act of modification can render the computer inoperable in the absence of manufacturing defect or component malfunction as designed and delivered. Who pays? Or from the perspective of a manufacturer, what is ones liability?

    It gets sticky.

  43. Hacking cars by Stunning+Tard · · Score: 1

    They might allow a little hacking but I'm sure they'll draw a line quickly. Auto manufacturers seem to love the closed-source model, owners are forced to bring their problems back to the dealer $$$

    My Dad is one of an earlier breed of hackers: an amatuer auto mechanic. He's better at hacking cars than I'll ever be at hacking electronics.
    He converted his jeep to manual trans then back to auto when it failed too. His 55' Thunderbird has a Chevy engine in it. He gave up trying to find the "proper" ford engine to keep the car pure, he's going to make it work. Things like the vacum powered windshield wipers and lack of seatbelts have to go. I have no doubt he'll make a car much better than anything avaliable in 55' (rolls royce aside?).

    It seems that's the way things used to be. Manufacturers have locked him out of the game. With a newer car things are more difficult. With a newer car he's lucky if he can diagnose what is causing the problem. It's like an assembly programmer trying to figure out why IE crashed. And If he wanted to put a 04' corvette engine in an 04' T-bird the challenge would be beyond the scope of matching engine mounts and transmission bolts.

    No want wait. Want kill bill 2 NOW.

  44. An idea for Microsoft... by jo42 · · Score: 1


    Make the next XBOX open. Let people add to it, program it, modify it, etc. Want to kill your competition? Open it up you b00bs!