Right now AFAIK that would be Novell and their server business is not doing amazingly well.
Actually if it weren't for the massive boat anchor known as Netware pulling their numbers down Novell would be having a pretty amazing year. Their Linux business is doing very well.
Who would spend Millions of AU$'s on something that in effect doesn't work, and not just some feature is missing, but the primary use of the thing is impaired, oh and the supplier wont help.
Who? Pretty much anyone who wanted to have a serious air/ground strike capability presence in that part of the world. Because even the earliest models of the F-18 hornet, even ones with gimped IFF/radar systems are still 10 years more advanced than 95% of the fighter aircraft operating in the southeast asian theater today. The next closest competitor is the SU-27, which is awesome if you are putting on an air show but when compared to a hornet is basically just a target that will do some neato aerial acrobatics right before it explodes into a fiery ball of burning metal...with the obligatory G.I. Joe white parachute popping out a few moments later.
I didn't realize that Newsbot and Wai Wai were big on "investigative" journalism. Those other companies probably were accounted for, but they most likely came as journalists.
Someone might have already pointed this out but do we expect anything less from a news company that is in a major business relationship with Microsoft? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20098753/
I have an XP installation on my PC that looks like Unix.
LOL you are like one of those retarded 16 year old street racer wannabes who puts a gigantic spoiler and exhaust pipes and a hood scoop on their beater 1998 toyota corolla.
You'd prefer to hide under a rock in order to speak your mind freely?
What I would prefer and what is reality are two completely different things...duh. Note my comment about reality from my previous post. Let me guess, you work in academia too?;-)
Privacy should disappear. It's the darkness that allows evil to grow and spread.
Wow why does it not surprise me that the url in your header points to a berkley.edu server? Disconnect from reality much? Anonymity does allow for evil but it also allows for an amount of good that outweighs any amount of evil. The ability to speak out with zero fear of repercussion is a foundation of free speech. If you remove that you begin dismantling the first amendment, at which point we start exercising the second amendment.
How much do you have to weigh in order to qualify for the "FAT administrator" title at Canonical? I know that it is around 275lbs for just Fat but to rate all caps must be rough.
No. Suse can't be a target for the simple reason that Novell and MS have both signed a mutual agreement no to sue (in addition to agree to collaborate for interoperation).
Spoken like someone who truly has no idea about the facts of the Novell/M$ agreement. They agreed to not sue each other's users. If they had agreed to not sue each other as companies then the agreement would have been in violation of GPLv2.
If MS threatens to sue over patents, Novell can't counter sue them
It creates an entire class of people that depend on the services of the nation but don't contribute toward those services (taxes). It creates an entire class of people that can be exploited by businesses and criminals alike with no protection from either.
I live in a very "poor" community in central California and I am not Hispanic. The paternal side of my family came to this country a little over 100 years ago and the maternal side is documented back to the colonial times. Having lived about 30 years in this place has taught me that your argument is flawed on many levels. But it is not your fault because you are just regurgitating the BS fed to you by the usual suspects. Lets start with the huge misconception about how undocumented workers don't contribute to the tax pool. Just because someone does not pay payroll taxes doesn't mean that they do not contribute to the tax system. These people live in a very cash based society. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes, luxury taxes, just to name a few. And their business has an enormous impact on the well being of our local economy. And I love the whole "It's for their own good" argument like you use by complaining about how they are exploited. Jesus if you could spend a week where most of these people grew up and lived most of their lives you would know that almost any amount of exploitation they could possibly face here is almost completely insignificant. Show me a time in history when an ethnic group came to this country legally and didn't face those same issues.
It's also blatantly unfair to those who decided to come here legally. A Canadian friend of mine has been waiting to come here for months. She has going through a paperwork nightmare from hell to get her green card. This is in spite of the fact that she has a masters degree and speaks three languages. We make her wait even though she is well educated, has family and a job waiting for her but we are willing to give amnesty to those that break our laws? What kind of message does that send?
The message is sends is...Bring us your poor, your tired etc...Your friend with a Masters degree doesn't NEED to come to the U.S. from another first world country. The people who flee the the U.S. are literally fleeing some of the worst conditions imaginable to come live in ramshackle little buildings here in the U.S. The fact that they are willing to live in the kind of conditions that they live in once they are here is a testament to the horrible shit they are running from. Tell your well educated, probably well paid, probably fictitious Canadian friend to go hire herself a decent immigration lawyer and she could have a visa inside of 6 months.
This is the one issue that you would find agreement on across most sections of the political spectrum. Ask the common man on the street if this is a problem that needs to stop and he will say yes. It doesn't matter if he is a Republican or a Democrat. Unfortunately our political leaders have failed us miserably on this issue. The Republicans are owned by big business that likes cheap labor and the Democrats are owned by the PC crowd that feels bad for them and is afraid of being labeled racists. Both parties want the Hispanic vote.
This is the best part of your post, by best I mean most flawed. If illegal immigration was a real issue that was so bi-partisan in nature it would be dealt with by now. In my opinion this issue is just a bunch of hype to keep us distracted from real issues. Illegal immigration is just like the war on drugs. It is a huge money-pit, an awesome excuse for our government to restrict it's citizen's civil liberties, and a great way to distract a population so disillusioned by it's political system that it is considered a success when half the eligible population turns up to vote on something. This issue is like abortion, kind of emotional for a lot of people but in the end it is all kind of meaningless because people are going to do what they believe is right
A lot of people seem to think it is harmful to your career to ally oneself with the technology that is still the overwhelming leader in the market. Personally I don't understand that.
Since you don't understand let me explain. I have met so many Admins with this attitude and the fact they they "ally" themselves with something just because of it's marketshare speaks volumes about their character and really illustrates a huge problem in the IT community today. And I would like to meet anyone who seriously thinks that keeping their Windows skills up to speed is harmful to their career. I am forced to work on some Windows systems because of marketshare. But I choose to "ally" myself with Free and Open Source software because it is truly better than closed source. I am slowly replacing the former with the latter in every project I am a part of.
To address your lame analogy:
It's kind of like being the the transportation industry, and choosing to specialize in bicycles...economically, it is not a very good plan.
Using your philosophy would mean that we would all still be walking because walking had the marketshare on human transportation for a couple million years before any other mode of transportation was every thought of.
Sometime in the early 70's the TV show In Search Ofhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of... interviewed a bunch of climate scientists who were all convinced that the Earth was descending into another ice age because of the growth of glaciers and polar ice, and dropping global temp averages. They had all kinds of cool graphs and charts and experts to testify to the fact too...20 years later we are on the brink of some global warming catastrophe. That was the shortest ice age ever...I still don't think "climate scientists" know any more today than they did 20 years ago. But it is kind of like flag burning and gay marriage *ducks*. As long as we aren't talking about really important stuff like global health-care, poverty, war, the disintegration of the Bill of Rights then who gives a fuck? I mean we cannot even figure out simple shit like chronic back pain, and here we are pretending to know something about why the Earth's temperature is changing...nice. Help stop global warming, turn off your T.V.
90% of the training argument is pure FUD. I personally have converted many windows users to Linux who had never even touched it before and they are up and productive within a day. Your average office worker (at least in my place of work) uses a word processor, web browser, email client, and one or two propriatary apps specific for their department which are almost all web based and are browser friendly. There have been a few time in which people have some app that cannot be a web app, or will only run in IE or something and we will deploy it to them via Citrix until either a Linux version is written or it is converted to a web based app.
Funny enough, the hardest Linux converts are the Windows "Power users" because they no long know how to tweak...aka fuck up their new desktop. But for a large majority of office staff Linux either already is or could easily be working perfectly for them in almost no transition time.
I personally believe that if all the over protective MCSE's in the world woke up tomorrow with a decent level of knowledge about the Linux desktop within a couple months Linux and Windows in the corporate workplace would trade places for market share.
I got chewed out by this ancient IBM Unix/AIX engineer in upstate New York for calling/usr user. As it has been mentioned above usr according to this guy stands for Unix Shared Resources...infact in a lot of older major Unix deployments the/usr is a network mount point. But at the same time on Solaris I have seen user home directories under/usr/0001/joe or whatever...so now I am even more confused...thanx:-)
Staying with imperial measurements has only served to handicap American industry and economy.
Wow, if this is what is feels like to have a handicapped industry and economy then I would think the rest of the world would WANT the US to stay in it's backwater ways. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
I know that Edgy is supposed to be the desktop distro, but before it came out I used Dapper on the desktop for about 2-3 weeks to see what all the hype was about, and it has a long long way to go to compete with RHEL and SLED in the enterprise. The only distro out there making any real headway specifically against Windows in usability on the enterprise desktop IMHO is Suse. I know everyone all of a sudden hates them because of "the deal". But those prejudices aside Suse makes a very slick, very user friendly Windows replacement. For years I have tried converting co-workers to Linux on the desktop and have failed over and over with Fedora Core 2-5, RHEL3, and Suse 9.3-10.0. But now with SLED10 I have 3 people using it as the primary desktops now and 3-4 more using it on a daily basis on dual boot or secondary machines in my office.
These are people who just don't have any prejudice against M$ or Linux. They have heard of Open Source but don't know about or care about any of the philosophical aspects of the community. They have all used Windows exclusively for years. All they want is a desktop that will allow them to get their work done more efficiently. They all have Windows licenses for their machines but have chosen to either run SLED exclusively or dual boot it because it helps them do their jobs better. To me that is the strongest argument one can make for a "Windows-killer".
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"In addition I supsect the Microsoft deal will do more to scare away customers rather than bring more into the fold."
Dude, you're drunk. Maybe in small orgs where the Sysadmin actually still makes most of the IT decisions you might be somewhat right but in the corporate world the M$/Novell deal is exactly what most CIO, CEO types were waiting for. Ask someone who works sales for RedHat which is the toughest nut to crack sales-wise and they will tell you that it is the big Unix shops who have not converted to Linux specifically because of IP/Patent litigation fears. To even talk about the M$/Novell deal in the context of this article is very premature to say the least.
"Red Hat is just about the only true open source enterprise level support available."
This is just a flat out lie.
A few months ago we started a pilot project testing Groupwise Mobile at work which runs on both Windows mobile and PalmOS. So we ordered several Verizon devices, a few Treo700W's a few 700P's and 2 motorola Q phones running WinMobile. Most of these devices went to users who had either previously been using Blackberrys or did not have a smart phone. As of today, all of the users who received WinMobile based devices except one (who previously owned a WinMobile device) have complained incessantly about their performance or pretty much stopped carrying them and either gone back to their blackberry (if they had one to go back to) or just stopped using the devices all together. The main complaint I hear is in regards to the device locking up and becoming unresponsive 5-6 times per day and/or just spontaneously rebooting in the middle of use and/or when it is just sitting there apparently doing nothing. Our site director got one of the Q phones and she positively despised it after a week. She was the first to switch back to her Blackberry.
The few of us who got a 700P refuse to give them up. That is not to say that there haven't been some issues with them. Personally mine has rebooted like twice when I was doing a lot of multimedia stuff like watching a movie. Occasionally during an over-the-air sync with GWMobile my phone will become unresponsive for a few seconds. The only reproducible bug I have with this 700P is if I go into the multimedia player with my 2GB memory card inserted the phone will reboot every time. If I eject it, enter the app, then reinsert it it comes up just fine and then reads in the memory card.
I think the fact that we handed these devices out to mostly novice users and almost all the WinMobile devices have been abandoned while the PalmOS based devices are still in use speaks volumes on the points made in earlier posts regarding usability.
I would like to point out that this is not just a threat to Ubuntu. The M$/Novell deal only protects Novell's customers, not Novell itself from the exact same senario you just described.
This whole thing is really pretty funny if you know anything about the current litigation Novell has pending against M$ for monopolistic behavior in regards to MSOffice interoperability with Word Perfect.
The title of this post on Groklaw is FUD mongering in the highest.
Additionally anything Novell contributes to OpenOffice will be OSS and benefit the community. Anyone who honestly thought M$ was ever really going to make ODF their default or even make it as compatible as it needs to be is living in some kind of Ubuntu koombay-ya fantasy world.
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Actually if it weren't for the massive boat anchor known as Netware pulling their numbers down Novell would be having a pretty amazing year. Their Linux business is doing very well.
Who? Pretty much anyone who wanted to have a serious air/ground strike capability presence in that part of the world. Because even the earliest models of the F-18 hornet, even ones with gimped IFF/radar systems are still 10 years more advanced than 95% of the fighter aircraft operating in the southeast asian theater today. The next closest competitor is the SU-27, which is awesome if you are putting on an air show but when compared to a hornet is basically just a target that will do some neato aerial acrobatics right before it explodes into a fiery ball of burning metal...with the obligatory G.I. Joe white parachute popping out a few moments later.
In my office we are judged by system and application uptimes and average trouble ticket resolution times.
I didn't realize that Newsbot and Wai Wai were big on "investigative" journalism. Those other companies probably were accounted for, but they most likely came as journalists.
Someone might have already pointed this out but do we expect anything less from a news company that is in a major business relationship with Microsoft? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20098753/
LOL you are like one of those retarded 16 year old street racer wannabes who puts a gigantic spoiler and exhaust pipes and a hood scoop on their beater 1998 toyota corolla.
What I would prefer and what is reality are two completely different things...duh. Note my comment about reality from my previous post. Let me guess, you work in academia too? ;-)
Wow why does it not surprise me that the url in your header points to a berkley.edu server? Disconnect from reality much? Anonymity does allow for evil but it also allows for an amount of good that outweighs any amount of evil. The ability to speak out with zero fear of repercussion is a foundation of free speech. If you remove that you begin dismantling the first amendment, at which point we start exercising the second amendment.
It's all part of some huge Satanic conspiracy! Put the number 49 under the number 23.
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How much do you have to weigh in order to qualify for the "FAT administrator" title at Canonical? I know that it is around 275lbs for just Fat but to rate all caps must be rough.
Spoken like someone who truly has no idea about the facts of the Novell/M$ agreement. They agreed to not sue each other's users. If they had agreed to not sue each other as companies then the agreement would have been in violation of GPLv2.
If MS threatens to sue over patents, Novell can't counter sue themWrong again and again and again and...
It creates an entire class of people that depend on the services of the nation but don't contribute toward those services (taxes). It creates an entire class of people that can be exploited by businesses and criminals alike with no protection from either.
I live in a very "poor" community in central California and I am not Hispanic. The paternal side of my family came to this country a little over 100 years ago and the maternal side is documented back to the colonial times. Having lived about 30 years in this place has taught me that your argument is flawed on many levels. But it is not your fault because you are just regurgitating the BS fed to you by the usual suspects. Lets start with the huge misconception about how undocumented workers don't contribute to the tax pool. Just because someone does not pay payroll taxes doesn't mean that they do not contribute to the tax system. These people live in a very cash based society. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes, luxury taxes, just to name a few. And their business has an enormous impact on the well being of our local economy. And I love the whole "It's for their own good" argument like you use by complaining about how they are exploited. Jesus if you could spend a week where most of these people grew up and lived most of their lives you would know that almost any amount of exploitation they could possibly face here is almost completely insignificant. Show me a time in history when an ethnic group came to this country legally and didn't face those same issues.
It's also blatantly unfair to those who decided to come here legally. A Canadian friend of mine has been waiting to come here for months. She has going through a paperwork nightmare from hell to get her green card. This is in spite of the fact that she has a masters degree and speaks three languages. We make her wait even though she is well educated, has family and a job waiting for her but we are willing to give amnesty to those that break our laws? What kind of message does that send?
The message is sends is...Bring us your poor, your tired etc...Your friend with a Masters degree doesn't NEED to come to the U.S. from another first world country. The people who flee the the U.S. are literally fleeing some of the worst conditions imaginable to come live in ramshackle little buildings here in the U.S. The fact that they are willing to live in the kind of conditions that they live in once they are here is a testament to the horrible shit they are running from. Tell your well educated, probably well paid, probably fictitious Canadian friend to go hire herself a decent immigration lawyer and she could have a visa inside of 6 months.
This is the one issue that you would find agreement on across most sections of the political spectrum. Ask the common man on the street if this is a problem that needs to stop and he will say yes. It doesn't matter if he is a Republican or a Democrat. Unfortunately our political leaders have failed us miserably on this issue. The Republicans are owned by big business that likes cheap labor and the Democrats are owned by the PC crowd that feels bad for them and is afraid of being labeled racists. Both parties want the Hispanic vote.
This is the best part of your post, by best I mean most flawed. If illegal immigration was a real issue that was so bi-partisan in nature it would be dealt with by now. In my opinion this issue is just a bunch of hype to keep us distracted from real issues. Illegal immigration is just like the war on drugs. It is a huge money-pit, an awesome excuse for our government to restrict it's citizen's civil liberties, and a great way to distract a population so disillusioned by it's political system that it is considered a success when half the eligible population turns up to vote on something. This issue is like abortion, kind of emotional for a lot of people but in the end it is all kind of meaningless because people are going to do what they believe is right
Since you don't understand let me explain. I have met so many Admins with this attitude and the fact they they "ally" themselves with something just because of it's marketshare speaks volumes about their character and really illustrates a huge problem in the IT community today. And I would like to meet anyone who seriously thinks that keeping their Windows skills up to speed is harmful to their career. I am forced to work on some Windows systems because of marketshare. But I choose to "ally" myself with Free and Open Source software because it is truly better than closed source. I am slowly replacing the former with the latter in every project I am a part of.
To address your lame analogy:
It's kind of like being the the transportation industry, and choosing to specialize in bicycles...economically, it is not a very good plan. Using your philosophy would mean that we would all still be walking because walking had the marketshare on human transportation for a couple million years before any other mode of transportation was every thought of.Sometime in the early 70's the TV show In Search Of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of... interviewed a bunch of climate scientists who were all convinced that the Earth was descending into another ice age because of the growth of glaciers and polar ice, and dropping global temp averages. They had all kinds of cool graphs and charts and experts to testify to the fact too...20 years later we are on the brink of some global warming catastrophe. That was the shortest ice age ever...I still don't think "climate scientists" know any more today than they did 20 years ago. But it is kind of like flag burning and gay marriage *ducks*. As long as we aren't talking about really important stuff like global health-care, poverty, war, the disintegration of the Bill of Rights then who gives a fuck? I mean we cannot even figure out simple shit like chronic back pain, and here we are pretending to know something about why the Earth's temperature is changing...nice. Help stop global warming, turn off your T.V.
90% of the training argument is pure FUD. I personally have converted many windows users to Linux who had never even touched it before and they are up and productive within a day. Your average office worker (at least in my place of work) uses a word processor, web browser, email client, and one or two propriatary apps specific for their department which are almost all web based and are browser friendly. There have been a few time in which people have some app that cannot be a web app, or will only run in IE or something and we will deploy it to them via Citrix until either a Linux version is written or it is converted to a web based app.
Funny enough, the hardest Linux converts are the Windows "Power users" because they no long know how to tweak...aka fuck up their new desktop. But for a large majority of office staff Linux either already is or could easily be working perfectly for them in almost no transition time.
I personally believe that if all the over protective MCSE's in the world woke up tomorrow with a decent level of knowledge about the Linux desktop within a couple months Linux and Windows in the corporate workplace would trade places for market share.
I got chewed out by this ancient IBM Unix/AIX engineer in upstate New York for calling /usr user. As it has been mentioned above usr according to this guy stands for Unix Shared Resources...infact in a lot of older major Unix deployments the /usr is a network mount point. But at the same time on Solaris I have seen user home directories under /usr/0001/joe or whatever...so now I am even more confused...thanx :-)
Wow, if this is what is feels like to have a handicapped industry and economy then I would think the rest of the world would WANT the US to stay in it's backwater ways. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
That is like saying GNU might actually be the first truly free and nonreligious religion. On the contrary, I find Linux to be most spiritual.
Isn't Prion the name of that hybrid fuel car from Toyota? I didn't think it was big enough to drive cows around in anyway...
I know that Edgy is supposed to be the desktop distro, but before it came out I used Dapper on the desktop for about 2-3 weeks to see what all the hype was about, and it has a long long way to go to compete with RHEL and SLED in the enterprise. The only distro out there making any real headway specifically against Windows in usability on the enterprise desktop IMHO is Suse. I know everyone all of a sudden hates them because of "the deal". But those prejudices aside Suse makes a very slick, very user friendly Windows replacement. For years I have tried converting co-workers to Linux on the desktop and have failed over and over with Fedora Core 2-5, RHEL3, and Suse 9.3-10.0. But now with SLED10 I have 3 people using it as the primary desktops now and 3-4 more using it on a daily basis on dual boot or secondary machines in my office.
These are people who just don't have any prejudice against M$ or Linux. They have heard of Open Source but don't know about or care about any of the philosophical aspects of the community. They have all used Windows exclusively for years. All they want is a desktop that will allow them to get their work done more efficiently. They all have Windows licenses for their machines but have chosen to either run SLED exclusively or dual boot it because it helps them do their jobs better. To me that is the strongest argument one can make for a "Windows-killer".
"In addition I supsect the Microsoft deal will do more to scare away customers rather than bring more into the fold." Dude, you're drunk. Maybe in small orgs where the Sysadmin actually still makes most of the IT decisions you might be somewhat right but in the corporate world the M$/Novell deal is exactly what most CIO, CEO types were waiting for. Ask someone who works sales for RedHat which is the toughest nut to crack sales-wise and they will tell you that it is the big Unix shops who have not converted to Linux specifically because of IP/Patent litigation fears. To even talk about the M$/Novell deal in the context of this article is very premature to say the least. "Red Hat is just about the only true open source enterprise level support available." This is just a flat out lie.
A few months ago we started a pilot project testing Groupwise Mobile at work which runs on both Windows mobile and PalmOS. So we ordered several Verizon devices, a few Treo700W's a few 700P's and 2 motorola Q phones running WinMobile. Most of these devices went to users who had either previously been using Blackberrys or did not have a smart phone. As of today, all of the users who received WinMobile based devices except one (who previously owned a WinMobile device) have complained incessantly about their performance or pretty much stopped carrying them and either gone back to their blackberry (if they had one to go back to) or just stopped using the devices all together. The main complaint I hear is in regards to the device locking up and becoming unresponsive 5-6 times per day and/or just spontaneously rebooting in the middle of use and/or when it is just sitting there apparently doing nothing. Our site director got one of the Q phones and she positively despised it after a week. She was the first to switch back to her Blackberry.
The few of us who got a 700P refuse to give them up. That is not to say that there haven't been some issues with them. Personally mine has rebooted like twice when I was doing a lot of multimedia stuff like watching a movie. Occasionally during an over-the-air sync with GWMobile my phone will become unresponsive for a few seconds. The only reproducible bug I have with this 700P is if I go into the multimedia player with my 2GB memory card inserted the phone will reboot every time. If I eject it, enter the app, then reinsert it it comes up just fine and then reads in the memory card.
I think the fact that we handed these devices out to mostly novice users and almost all the WinMobile devices have been abandoned while the PalmOS based devices are still in use speaks volumes on the points made in earlier posts regarding usability.
"Not to discount your source, but I'd hope that they have a bit more knowledge about the issue than your associate professor."
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Yeah because the Institute of Aquatic Science and Technology of a land-locked country is a lot more reliable
I would like to point out that this is not just a threat to Ubuntu. The M$/Novell deal only protects Novell's customers, not Novell itself from the exact same senario you just described.
This whole thing is really pretty funny if you know anything about the current litigation Novell has pending against M$ for monopolistic behavior in regards to MSOffice interoperability with Word Perfect.
The title of this post on Groklaw is FUD mongering in the highest.
Additionally anything Novell contributes to OpenOffice will be OSS and benefit the community. Anyone who honestly thought M$ was ever really going to make ODF their default or even make it as compatible as it needs to be is living in some kind of Ubuntu koombay-ya fantasy world.