I agree with most of your post except this part: "OK. So you're a bunch of weak minded fools who loses deals because of things that don't exist, and your hesitance spills over to the customer benefitting Microsoft? Yep, I can see that. So to make things better you then fanned the flames of these mythical IP issues, which you've admitted you haven't done due diligence on?:-"
Seems like a lot of people in the FOSS community are completely blind to this threat. They go around acting like just because it is baseless means it doesn't exist. I have direct knowledge of a very large bank and indirect of several other companies here in the states, not to mention several big European companies (UK Stock Exchange for one) who refuse to deploy Linux specifically because of this imaginary IP problem. Real or not these CEO's and Boards only need to buy the M$ FUD and Linux loses yet again. Red Hat has been doing a great job taking market away from the old Unix and Solaris shops but really they haven't done shit against M$ in their neighborhood. Novell is going head to head with M$ in the business sectors where they rule, like the corporate desktop. Until some damage is done to the FOSS community by this deal I still believe it was a smart business move for them. Apparently IBM and HP do too.
Linux made a deal with the devil a long time ago by letting corporate america become so involved in the community. Now we are seeing the results. Some people are really naive (RMS) and want their cake and eat it too. I think some other people (ESR) are finally coming around and realizing that if they truly want to see Linux with an equal share of the pie some compromises will eventually be made. We shall see what happens I guess.
"Microsoft has never been worried about getting sued by Novell over patent infringement"
They may not be worried about it but Novell has recovered several millions of dollars from M$ on software patent issues and has a major case pending now even after this deal regarding MSOffice. In fact I think there is a truckload of money to be made by Novell for M$'s infringement of eDirectory with their Active Directory.
It is amazing how many times you have to say this but here it goes again...this deal only protects customers, M$ and Novell can and will continue to sue one another as companies until they are blue in the face.
Meh, I disagree that reduced consumption will avert the pending crisis. A technological solution is going to have to be the answer. Like pumping sulfer gas into the upper atmosphere to counter balance greenhouse gas emissions or whatever. What we could do today to slow down our consumption is too little too late. We were at this point of realization about tobacco related cancer and heart disease 40-50 years ago and yet today millions if not billions all over the world are still huffing and puffing. The cure for lung cancer and heart disease is not banning cigarettes but finding a medical cure. AIDS will never be stopped through sex education and awarenesses it will be cured in the laboratory. IMHO we will never be able to slow down our consumption of fossil fuels enough to keep global warming at bay. I mean even if we could somehow it would never be enforcible. Don't get me wrong. I am all about alternative fuels (for economic reasons mainly) but that will just prolong the the problem at best. We need someone to come up with the widget that will either remove the greenhouse gases from our atmosphere or counter them with gases and hopefully not send us into some kind of 2 year winter:-)
Yes, you would be arrested because sex with anyone under 18 for money in Thailand is illegal and the U.S. and Thailand have legal extradition. The age of consent is 15 for what they consider "non-work sex" which almost never includes foreign nationals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thail and
And yes, American corporations usually do value profit above all else. And the sky is usually blue, and grass is generally green, and Marxists are generally naive kids or washed up academics. It is not the job of corporations to do shit about freedom it is the job of the American people to let them know via their dollars that it is more profitable for them to not piss off their customers. Look at what just happened to Rupert Murdoc who got dick slapped by the American people for thinking about airing the O.J. Simpson "If I had done it" interview. The market controls corporate morality, almost never perfectly, but better than any other system. http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_324194322.h tml
Commodore 64 + external floppy drive + 300 baud modem = endless fun dialing into long distance BBSs using stolen phone card numbers until all hours of the night.
Back when Elite was spelled correctly, and you could play it too.
This is some amazing shit. No one has any idea what the ramifications, if ANY are going to be from this deal and everyone is so quick to run and lynch a company who has dedicated millions of lines of code to open source projects that they make zero dollars from. This is the same Novell who along with IBM took a stand AGAINST SCO and cost those bastards millions in legal fees. This is the same Novell who is activly sueing M$ for patent violations in the MSOffice product. Shane, how many lines of code have you contributed to any open source projects? What have you done for the community that can come close to comparing to even a little of what Novell has done for Linux in the last few years. Is it really so boring up there in New York that you have nothing better to do other than sit around and stew about some shit that none of us will probably ever even be affected by? All of you armchair lawyers need to STFU and wait until something bad actually happens to the community before you start trying to crucify a fairly benevolent company, relatively speaking, who dedicates themselves daily to the Linux community. WHEN/IF something like that does happen I will be more than happy to join in the ripping of Novell's spine from their body and showing it to them, but until then can we please move on?
I would like to see some numbers on how much of McAfee and Symantec's revenue is generated by desktop virus scanning products. I honestly don't think M$ coming up with a desktop virus scanning solution is any threat at all to Symantec. I am fairly sure that at least Symantec makes the bulk of their money on enterprise class security systems, not anti-virus. And if M$ does intergrate anti-virus in Vista how good will it be? It usually takes years for anything they do to mature into a usable product. Their virtualization product isn't going to threaten VMWare for years, their anti-spyware package is utter shite and no threat to Ad-aware or Spybot S&D or any of the other decent spyware removers. Their Terra Server project is dismal compared to Google Earth, and terra server was launched years before GE. I don't know any Windows home users who soley trust in the M$ built-in firewall. They are all running Trend Micro, or Zone Alarm or one of the other 3-5 decent ones on the market. If their anti-virus package is anything like those ventures then I'd say Symantec and McAfee have at least several years before they will see a decline in their desktop and server anti-virus products. And that several years begins if/when Vista makes any serious market penetration for the home users. It is probably going to be at least 2 years before it has any real market penetration at home, and another 5 years before it makes it into most Business environments. Honestly it took M$ over 10 years to write an OS that didn't freeze up or blue screen at least once per day.
My co-worker and I can reproduce this claim. Not sure it is intentional though. I am using GAIM on Linux and he is using the Yahoo IM client on windows and any message that contains http://www.youtube.com/ either directions is not going through...Tried it with my brother who is using GAIM on Linux as well (after disabling off the record messaging) and the message went through fine both directions. Weirdness...
Well you can wake me up when iTunes displays song lyrics on the fly, pulls up Wikipedia entries on the artist, sorts music in a sane manner, does not phone home on your music collection for an "enhanced" buying experience, is fully skinable so you can get rid of that 1900 Ford mentality of "They can have it look however they want as long as it is this shitty minimalist skin", and supports ALL the music file formats i want to use like.ogg
And I wouldn't brag about iTunes music store as a feature considering they don't even really sell YOU a song...With their permission you are granted the right to listen to their music on a limited number of computers.
Oh and did I mention that it's memory footprint is about 1/4 of iTunes?
Oh and did I mention that it KICKS the llamas ass?
FTFA: "I think there needs to be warning labels on MMORPGs like World of Warcraft, similar to warning labels on cigarettes. People should know that these games are potentially harmful."
Comparing a video game to tobacco on any level is one of the most irresponsible analogies I have ever heard anyone in the medical community make. When a video game starts to have even 1/10th the social impact as cigarettes then maybe, just maybe, we should revisit this ridiculous topic. By most estimates tobacco kills approximately 1 million people just in the U.S. per year. And according to the CDC costs about $92 billion in lost productivity. http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/Media/pressrel/r050630.ht m
Trust me, I am fully aware of the "dangers" involved with gaming addictions. For me it resulted in C's and D's for two semesters in college while hooked on a MUD back in the early ninety's. But getting a bad GPA because I cannot pull myself away from the monitor to go to class and huffing gasoline or Krylon are two completely different animals.
Not sure if this is a local Blockbuster thing or nationwide but I pay $20/month to BB and I can walk in and pick out 2 movies anytime I want with no late fees. If I wanted to go through 6 movies in a 24 hour period (I've done it before, wife and 3 kids on a weekend when everyone in the house is sick except me) I can do that. I show up, drop off my 2 current movies, pick up two new ones and I am home in 10 mins. It is really the best deal for me. I was on Netflix for a year before getting this deal and I liked it a lot. It was my wife who talked me into the Blockbuster deal (right as always). I felt awfully loyal to Netflix so I resisted at first but now I see it is the only way to go for our house. And now that I hear about netflix throttling heavyily active renters I am even more sure that the current deal I am on is the best for me. We do not have an aerial or cable/sat attached to either of our televisions in our house so the only TV we watch is DVD's, so we are kind of a unique situation, but this would not be viable on a mail-in dvd rental program.
Because they do not have the full suite I am sure Larry is interested in aquiring. Novell has a directory and a whole range of products from desktops to servers and everything in between. Outside of an office productivity suite Novell, regardless of their current state of functionality, has at least the framework already in place to be a full microsoft replacement. No other distro that I know of can say that. I think this is what Larry is shooting for. If he just wanted to pick up a linux distro he could pretty easily fork an existing one and make Oracle Linux or whatever.
lol...nicely done. The subject line of your post should have been "How to say the same line of BS 10 times in somewhat different ways." You must be a political speech writer...or a marketing exec for M$.
Read history and you will find that those concepts are all pretty synonymous over and over again. I'd love for someone to point out an example of a facist/totalitarian regime with a strong middle class and plenty of economic opportunity...that dog don't hunt.
Wow, reading your post makes it sound like there are no poor or homeless people in Canada...umm I have spent quite a bit of time in Toronto and the surrounding area. Needless to say either you have not or you are trying to BS everyone.
And as far as pharmacuticals...yes, many Americans drive north to buy some drugs but most Canadians with any extra money drive south for surgical proceedures, even fairly minor ones. You get what you pay for, even in Socialism.
Freedom can be defined in many ways. Don't try to make yourself feel better about your system of government by picking on mine. Being picked on by a Canadian for problems with government is like being called an alcoholic by one.
Hmmm....obviously you are NOT one of those Chinese folks we have show up here in San Francisco/Port of Oakland on a regular basis packed into cargo container with 40 others who have lived in their own and other's fecal matter for over a week just so that they can get out of China. Yeah I am sure China is a pretty cool place. I mean heck, it is probably a lot like Cuba, I mean people there just thrown their own children onto rafts made of tires and cardboard and hope that they sail the right direction towards Florida. I am sure there is absolutly nothing wrong with either the Chinese or Cuban governments. I am positive in fact that it is all some kind of Western Media conspiracy against those benevolent organizations. Oh could you explain again to us why your family chose not to live in China anymore?
Or maybe because so many server vendors sell their hardware with a MS license bundled? I know some of our servers come with Windows pre-installed but we install Linux and Netware on them. There really isn't any price difference on them. I think the big thing here is hardware. I know that a lot of servers that were once licensed for Windows 2000 and NT are now running Linux. And a big part of market growth for Linux is Unix replacement.
Linux will continue to grow in the business and home markets the same way M$ beat Apple, I think they recognize that. If it is less expensive and it does the same thing (some would say better), business will opt for it eventually. I still believe that if Macs hadn't cost nearly twice as much as PC's back in the late 80's-early 90's we might be living in a very different world today.
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I totally agree. I saw this article last week and after reading it I wanted to strap on a bomb belt and blow the shit out of something. LINUX ACKBAR!
I agree with most of your post except this part: :-"
"OK. So you're a bunch of weak minded fools who loses deals because of things that don't exist, and your hesitance spills over to the customer benefitting Microsoft? Yep, I can see that. So to make things better you then fanned the flames of these mythical IP issues, which you've admitted you haven't done due diligence on?
Seems like a lot of people in the FOSS community are completely blind to this threat. They go around acting like just because it is baseless means it doesn't exist. I have direct knowledge of a very large bank and indirect of several other companies here in the states, not to mention several big European companies (UK Stock Exchange for one) who refuse to deploy Linux specifically because of this imaginary IP problem. Real or not these CEO's and Boards only need to buy the M$ FUD and Linux loses yet again. Red Hat has been doing a great job taking market away from the old Unix and Solaris shops but really they haven't done shit against M$ in their neighborhood. Novell is going head to head with M$ in the business sectors where they rule, like the corporate desktop. Until some damage is done to the FOSS community by this deal I still believe it was a smart business move for them. Apparently IBM and HP do too.
Linux made a deal with the devil a long time ago by letting corporate america become so involved in the community. Now we are seeing the results. Some people are really naive (RMS) and want their cake and eat it too. I think some other people (ESR) are finally coming around and realizing that if they truly want to see Linux with an equal share of the pie some compromises will eventually be made. We shall see what happens I guess.
"Microsoft has never been worried about getting sued by Novell over patent infringement"
They may not be worried about it but Novell has recovered several millions of dollars from M$ on software patent issues and has a major case pending now even after this deal regarding MSOffice. In fact I think there is a truckload of money to be made by Novell for M$'s infringement of eDirectory with their Active Directory.
It is amazing how many times you have to say this but here it goes again...this deal only protects customers, M$ and Novell can and will continue to sue one another as companies until they are blue in the face.
Meh, I disagree that reduced consumption will avert the pending crisis. A technological solution is going to have to be the answer. Like pumping sulfer gas into the upper atmosphere to counter balance greenhouse gas emissions or whatever. What we could do today to slow down our consumption is too little too late. We were at this point of realization about tobacco related cancer and heart disease 40-50 years ago and yet today millions if not billions all over the world are still huffing and puffing. The cure for lung cancer and heart disease is not banning cigarettes but finding a medical cure. AIDS will never be stopped through sex education and awarenesses it will be cured in the laboratory. IMHO we will never be able to slow down our consumption of fossil fuels enough to keep global warming at bay. I mean even if we could somehow it would never be enforcible. Don't get me wrong. I am all about alternative fuels (for economic reasons mainly) but that will just prolong the the problem at best. We need someone to come up with the widget that will either remove the greenhouse gases from our atmosphere or counter them with gases and hopefully not send us into some kind of 2 year winter :-)
Yes, you would be arrested because sex with anyone under 18 for money in Thailand is illegal and the U.S. and Thailand have legal extradition. The age of consent is 15 for what they consider "non-work sex" which almost never includes foreign nationals.l and
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thai
And yes, American corporations usually do value profit above all else. And the sky is usually blue, and grass is generally green, and Marxists are generally naive kids or washed up academics. It is not the job of corporations to do shit about freedom it is the job of the American people to let them know via their dollars that it is more profitable for them to not piss off their customers. Look at what just happened to Rupert Murdoc who got dick slapped by the American people for thinking about airing the O.J. Simpson "If I had done it" interview. The market controls corporate morality, almost never perfectly, but better than any other system.
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_324194322.
Commodore 64 + external floppy drive + 300 baud modem = endless fun dialing into long distance BBSs using stolen phone card numbers until all hours of the night.
Back when Elite was spelled correctly, and you could play it too.
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This is some amazing shit. No one has any idea what the ramifications, if ANY are going to be from this deal and everyone is so quick to run and lynch a company who has dedicated millions of lines of code to open source projects that they make zero dollars from. This is the same Novell who along with IBM took a stand AGAINST SCO and cost those bastards millions in legal fees. This is the same Novell who is activly sueing M$ for patent violations in the MSOffice product. Shane, how many lines of code have you contributed to any open source projects? What have you done for the community that can come close to comparing to even a little of what Novell has done for Linux in the last few years. Is it really so boring up there in New York that you have nothing better to do other than sit around and stew about some shit that none of us will probably ever even be affected by? All of you armchair lawyers need to STFU and wait until something bad actually happens to the community before you start trying to crucify a fairly benevolent company, relatively speaking, who dedicates themselves daily to the Linux community. WHEN/IF something like that does happen I will be more than happy to join in the ripping of Novell's spine from their body and showing it to them, but until then can we please move on?
I would like to see some numbers on how much of McAfee and Symantec's revenue is generated by desktop virus scanning products. I honestly don't think M$ coming up with a desktop virus scanning solution is any threat at all to Symantec. I am fairly sure that at least Symantec makes the bulk of their money on enterprise class security systems, not anti-virus. And if M$ does intergrate anti-virus in Vista how good will it be? It usually takes years for anything they do to mature into a usable product. Their virtualization product isn't going to threaten VMWare for years, their anti-spyware package is utter shite and no threat to Ad-aware or Spybot S&D or any of the other decent spyware removers. Their Terra Server project is dismal compared to Google Earth, and terra server was launched years before GE. I don't know any Windows home users who soley trust in the M$ built-in firewall. They are all running Trend Micro, or Zone Alarm or one of the other 3-5 decent ones on the market. If their anti-virus package is anything like those ventures then I'd say Symantec and McAfee have at least several years before they will see a decline in their desktop and server anti-virus products. And that several years begins if/when Vista makes any serious market penetration for the home users. It is probably going to be at least 2 years before it has any real market penetration at home, and another 5 years before it makes it into most Business environments. Honestly it took M$ over 10 years to write an OS that didn't freeze up or blue screen at least once per day.
"Don't believe the hype" - Chuck D
My co-worker and I can reproduce this claim. Not sure it is intentional though. I am using GAIM on Linux and he is using the Yahoo IM client on windows and any message that contains http://www.youtube.com/ either directions is not going through...Tried it with my brother who is using GAIM on Linux as well (after disabling off the record messaging) and the message went through fine both directions. Weirdness...
Well you can wake me up when iTunes displays song lyrics on the fly, pulls up Wikipedia entries on the artist, sorts music in a sane manner, does not phone home on your music collection for an "enhanced" buying experience, is fully skinable so you can get rid of that 1900 Ford mentality of "They can have it look however they want as long as it is this shitty minimalist skin", and supports ALL the music file formats i want to use like .ogg
And I wouldn't brag about iTunes music store as a feature considering they don't even really sell YOU a song...With their permission you are granted the right to listen to their music on a limited number of computers.
Oh and did I mention that it's memory footprint is about 1/4 of iTunes?
Oh and did I mention that it KICKS the llamas ass?
FTFA: "I think there needs to be warning labels on MMORPGs like World of Warcraft, similar to warning labels on cigarettes. People should know that these games are potentially harmful."
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Comparing a video game to tobacco on any level is one of the most irresponsible analogies I have ever heard anyone in the medical community make. When a video game starts to have even 1/10th the social impact as cigarettes then maybe, just maybe, we should revisit this ridiculous topic. By most estimates tobacco kills approximately 1 million people just in the U.S. per year. And according to the CDC costs about $92 billion in lost productivity. http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/Media/pressrel/r050630.h
Trust me, I am fully aware of the "dangers" involved with gaming addictions. For me it resulted in C's and D's for two semesters in college while hooked on a MUD back in the early ninety's. But getting a bad GPA because I cannot pull myself away from the monitor to go to class and huffing gasoline or Krylon are two completely different animals.
Applying various shades of lipstick to the same pig does not a choice make. *cringes in preperation for the karma hit*
Could that have anything to do with their choice in OS for their webserver? http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /macosrumors.com
Not sure if this is a local Blockbuster thing or nationwide but I pay $20/month to BB and I can walk in and pick out 2 movies anytime I want with no late fees. If I wanted to go through 6 movies in a 24 hour period (I've done it before, wife and 3 kids on a weekend when everyone in the house is sick except me) I can do that. I show up, drop off my 2 current movies, pick up two new ones and I am home in 10 mins. It is really the best deal for me. I was on Netflix for a year before getting this deal and I liked it a lot. It was my wife who talked me into the Blockbuster deal (right as always). I felt awfully loyal to Netflix so I resisted at first but now I see it is the only way to go for our house. And now that I hear about netflix throttling heavyily active renters I am even more sure that the current deal I am on is the best for me. We do not have an aerial or cable/sat attached to either of our televisions in our house so the only TV we watch is DVD's, so we are kind of a unique situation, but this would not be viable on a mail-in dvd rental program.
Because they do not have the full suite I am sure Larry is interested in aquiring. Novell has a directory and a whole range of products from desktops to servers and everything in between. Outside of an office productivity suite Novell, regardless of their current state of functionality, has at least the framework already in place to be a full microsoft replacement. No other distro that I know of can say that. I think this is what Larry is shooting for. If he just wanted to pick up a linux distro he could pretty easily fork an existing one and make Oracle Linux or whatever.
Zen 7 does a fine job of managing Linux desktops and Servers.
lol...nicely done. The subject line of your post should have been "How to say the same line of BS 10 times in somewhat different ways." You must be a political speech writer...or a marketing exec for M$.
Read history and you will find that those concepts are all pretty synonymous over and over again. I'd love for someone to point out an example of a facist/totalitarian regime with a strong middle class and plenty of economic opportunity...that dog don't hunt.
Wow, reading your post makes it sound like there are no poor or homeless people in Canada...umm I have spent quite a bit of time in Toronto and the surrounding area. Needless to say either you have not or you are trying to BS everyone. And as far as pharmacuticals...yes, many Americans drive north to buy some drugs but most Canadians with any extra money drive south for surgical proceedures, even fairly minor ones. You get what you pay for, even in Socialism. Freedom can be defined in many ways. Don't try to make yourself feel better about your system of government by picking on mine. Being picked on by a Canadian for problems with government is like being called an alcoholic by one.
Hmmm....obviously you are NOT one of those Chinese folks we have show up here in San Francisco/Port of Oakland on a regular basis packed into cargo container with 40 others who have lived in their own and other's fecal matter for over a week just so that they can get out of China. Yeah I am sure China is a pretty cool place. I mean heck, it is probably a lot like Cuba, I mean people there just thrown their own children onto rafts made of tires and cardboard and hope that they sail the right direction towards Florida. I am sure there is absolutly nothing wrong with either the Chinese or Cuban governments. I am positive in fact that it is all some kind of Western Media conspiracy against those benevolent organizations. Oh could you explain again to us why your family chose not to live in China anymore?
Or maybe because so many server vendors sell their hardware with a MS license bundled? I know some of our servers come with Windows pre-installed but we install Linux and Netware on them. There really isn't any price difference on them. I think the big thing here is hardware. I know that a lot of servers that were once licensed for Windows 2000 and NT are now running Linux. And a big part of market growth for Linux is Unix replacement.
Linux will continue to grow in the business and home markets the same way M$ beat Apple, I think they recognize that. If it is less expensive and it does the same thing (some would say better), business will opt for it eventually. I still believe that if Macs hadn't cost nearly twice as much as PC's back in the late 80's-early 90's we might be living in a very different world today.
Umm...what inspired you to post this? You are old and just angry or something?